Re: okay where is everyone today? Progesterone problem again

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.. I think the lysine is the one you need lots of, but

can't remember for sure, would have to look it up again. Ideally you need to

cut out stuff, like all sugar, maybe dairy, I can't remember, to get rid of

the problem and prevent it from coming back. Your naturopath should know all

about this, ask him!

Herpes outbreaks happen to most of us when our immune system isn't working

right, often when we are under severe stress. Hormone imbalances count as

severe stress!

I have always heard about and used Lysine for cold sores or mouth sores. I

used to get them in the P phase too. I haven't had any in years now. I

think I took 1000mg once or twice a day of lysine when I felt one coming

on. It did help a lot I remember.

nne

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Yes, that sounds right, the 1000 mg. twice a day or once a day. And making a

permanent diet of high-lysine foods is the best preventative, along with a

the MDR of zinc and a lot of vitamin C. I think I remember that dairy has

something in it that makes it worse, I think peanuts do too. I am sure this

can all be found in a goodle search online. Tea Tree oil applied topically

is helpful when you have an outbreak. So is Shaklee brand toothpaste, don't

ask me why, but some people swear by it for that! WEIRD! LOL

RE: Re: okay where is everyone today? Progesterone

problem again

>. I think the lysine is the one you need lots of, but

> can't remember for sure, would have to look it up again. Ideally you need

> to

>

> cut out stuff, like all sugar, maybe dairy, I can't remember, to get rid

> of

> the problem and prevent it from coming back. Your naturopath should know

> all

>

> about this, ask him!

>

> Herpes outbreaks happen to most of us when our immune system isn't working

> right, often when we are under severe stress. Hormone imbalances count as

> severe stress!

>

> I have always heard about and used Lysine for cold sores or mouth sores. I

> used to get them in the P phase too. I haven't had any in years now. I

> think I took 1000mg once or twice a day of lysine when I felt one coming

> on. It did help a lot I remember.

> nne

>

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> **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as

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[Guest guest]

wrote: In the meantime, should I take iron or not? Some say yes, some say no , while I was bleeding I was taking iron. And more magnesium to make sure I did not get constipated. I was getting too depleted from the bleeding. But you may want to stop after the bleeding is over, because too much iron is not good either. Madeleen >> I'm guessing that you're bleeding because of low E and high P. I use P to> bleed. It takes 2 or 3 days of E to stop it after I've been off everything> for 5 or 6 days

to have a bleed. Have you had a biopsy?> > Val

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This may seem corny, but Diane Petoskey says a quick test we can do at home for our iron levels is to pull down our lower eye lid. If it isn't bright pink, we need iron.

Anyone who exercises a lot, sweats a lot for any reason as well as bleeds, needs extra iron. That is why athletes always have to take extra.Even when I wasn't having periods, if I went to long with any, I didn't have a certain type of energy. A couple of days of my multi-vitamin version WITH iron instead of the one without iron and I felt like a new person, so I knew I needed the iron. Plus now I am giving blood for these hormone blood tests too! So with having periods again and those tests, I take iron every day again!

---- Original Message -----

From: Madeleen

To: rhythmicliving

Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:21 PM

Subject: Re: Re: okay where is everyone today? Progesterone problem again

wrote:

In the meantime, should I take iron or not? Some say yes, some say no

, while I was bleeding I was taking iron. And more magnesium to make sure I did not get constipated. I was getting too depleted from the bleeding. But you may want to stop after the bleeding is over, because too much iron is not good either.

Madeleen

[Guest guest]

my homeopath actualy did the lid pulling thing with me :)McIlhaney's wrote: This may seem corny, but Diane Petoskey says a quick test we can do at home for our iron levels is to pull down our lower eye lid. If it isn't bright pink, we need iron. Anyone who exercises a lot, sweats a lot for any reason as well as bleeds, needs extra iron. That is why athletes always have to take extra.Even when I wasn't having periods, if I went to long with any, I didn't have a certain type of energy. A couple of days of my multi-vitamin version WITH iron instead of the one without iron and I felt like a new person, so I knew I needed the iron. Plus now I am giving blood

for these hormone blood tests too! So with having periods again and those tests, I take iron every day again! ---- Original Message ----- From: Madeleen To: rhythmicliving Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Re: okay where is

everyone today? Progesterone problem again wrote: In the meantime, should I take iron or not? Some say yes, some say no , while I was bleeding I was taking iron. And more magnesium to make sure I did not get constipated. I was getting too depleted from the bleeding. But you may want to stop after the bleeding is over, because too much iron is not good either. Madeleen

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[Guest guest]

The way I understand it is that blood tests for iron levels show deficiencies if we have any, but they don't necessarily show whether we are getting the ideal amounts of our needs. The eyelid test supposedly help us calibrate to our specific needs. It is not supposed to be used as a substitute for the blood tests, but to complement and enhance them. Especially since we can do the eyelid thing anytime and who wants to take yet another blood draw regularly?

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wrote:

In the meantime, should I take iron or not? Some say yes, some say no

, while I was bleeding I was taking iron. And more magnesium to make sure I did not get constipated. I was getting too depleted from the bleeding. But you may want to stop after the bleeding is over, because too much iron is not good either.

Madeleen

[Guest guest]

'For our needs,' not 'of our needs.' Typing too fast again, sorry...

Re: Re: okay where is everyone today? Progesterone problem again

The way I understand it is that blood tests for iron levels show deficiencies if we have any, but they don't necessarily show whether we are getting the ideal amounts of our needs.

[Guest guest]

I just read in a newsletter by Dr. Nan Fuchs that women who bleed too much are low on iron.

Charlotte

Re: Re: okay where is everyone today? Progesterone problem again

wrote:

In the meantime, should I take iron or not? Some say yes, some say no

, while I was bleeding I was taking iron. And more magnesium to make sure I did not get constipated. I was getting too depleted from the bleeding. But you may want to stop after the bleeding is over, because too much iron is not good either.

Madeleen

>> I'm guessing that you're bleeding because of low E and high P. I use P to> bleed. It takes 2 or 3 days of E to stop it after I've been off everything> for 5 or 6 days to have a bleed. Have you had a biopsy?> > Val

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Interestingly enough, I stopped taking DHEA a week ago and about 3

days ago, I stopped bleeding. I didn't even need to take those 200

mg suppositories of vaginal P. My doctor thinks that after taking

it every day for almost a year now, it possibly converted to E. But

I can't figure how I would STILL have hot flashes if it was

converting to E. The mystery grows. Now I have to figure out to

how to keep the bleeding AWAY!

In the meantime, should I

> take iron or not? Some say yes, some say no

>

>

> , while I was bleeding I was taking iron. And more

magnesium to make sure I did not get constipated. I was getting too

depleted from the bleeding. But you may want to stop after the

bleeding is over, because too much iron is not good either.

>

> Madeleen

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Interestingly enough, I stopped taking DHEA a week ago and about 3

days ago, I stopped bleeding. I didn't even need to take those 200

mg suppositories of vaginal P. My doctor thinks that after taking

it every day for almost a year now, it possibly converted to E. But

I can't figure how I would STILL have hot flashes if it was

converting to E. The mystery grows. Now I have to figure out to

how to keep the bleeding AWAY!

In the meantime, should I

> take iron or not? Some say yes, some say no

>

>

> , while I was bleeding I was taking iron. And more

magnesium to make sure I did not get constipated. I was getting too

depleted from the bleeding. But you may want to stop after the

bleeding is over, because too much iron is not good either.

>

> Madeleen

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, , maybe you just found your problem!!!!!

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 2:11 PMTo: rhythmicliving Subject: Re: okay where is everyone today? Progesterone problem again

Interestingly enough, I stopped taking DHEA a week ago and about 3 days ago, I stopped bleeding. I didn't even need to take those 200 mg suppositories of vaginal P. My doctor thinks that after taking it every day for almost a year now, it possibly converted to E. But I can't figure how I would STILL have hot flashes if it was converting to E. The mystery grows. Now I have to figure out to how to keep the bleeding AWAY! In the meantime, should I > take iron or not? Some say yes, some say no > > > , while I was bleeding I was taking iron. And more magnesium to make sure I did not get constipated. I was getting too depleted from the bleeding. But you may want to stop after the bleeding is over, because too much iron is not good either.> > Madeleen> > >

[Guest guest]

Wow, , maybe you just found your problem!!!!!

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 2:11 PMTo: rhythmicliving Subject: Re: okay where is everyone today? Progesterone problem again

Interestingly enough, I stopped taking DHEA a week ago and about 3 days ago, I stopped bleeding. I didn't even need to take those 200 mg suppositories of vaginal P. My doctor thinks that after taking it every day for almost a year now, it possibly converted to E. But I can't figure how I would STILL have hot flashes if it was converting to E. The mystery grows. Now I have to figure out to how to keep the bleeding AWAY! In the meantime, should I > take iron or not? Some say yes, some say no > > > , while I was bleeding I was taking iron. And more magnesium to make sure I did not get constipated. I was getting too depleted from the bleeding. But you may want to stop after the bleeding is over, because too much iron is not good either.> > Madeleen> > >

[Guest guest]

It's a mystery to me.

>

> Yes I was only about to use one or two drops of

> OOP too. Otherwise, pain and throbbing down my neck and spine.

It

> happened EVERY time! But nne - don't you use a LOT of E?

> Doesn't that make you bleed?

>

> You are correct . I use 21mg of OOE each day. I don't bleed at

all.

> nne

>

[Guest guest]

It's a mystery to me.

>

> Yes I was only about to use one or two drops of

> OOP too. Otherwise, pain and throbbing down my neck and spine.

It

> happened EVERY time! But nne - don't you use a LOT of E?

> Doesn't that make you bleed?

>

> You are correct . I use 21mg of OOE each day. I don't bleed at

all.

> nne

>

[Guest guest]

This could be temporary. However, I am now hot flashing like crazy.

Maybe that damned DHEA WAS doing it. My doc suggested that I use 5 mg

of DHEA but not until after I have stopped bleeding for longer than 3

days. I'll keep you posted! I'm bummed though because the DHEA gave

me life again! Lots of energy.

>

> Wow, , maybe you just found your problem!!!!!

>

> _____

>

> From: rhythmicliving

[mailto:rhythmicliving ]

[Guest guest]

This could be temporary. However, I am now hot flashing like crazy.

Maybe that damned DHEA WAS doing it. My doc suggested that I use 5 mg

of DHEA but not until after I have stopped bleeding for longer than 3

days. I'll keep you posted! I'm bummed though because the DHEA gave

me life again! Lots of energy.

>

> Wow, , maybe you just found your problem!!!!!

>

> _____

>

> From: rhythmicliving

[mailto:rhythmicliving ]

[Guest guest]

, did you go back on the DHEA? Why not stop for a while. Then add more E and see what happens? You could be fluctuating right now coming off the DHEA.

Liz

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 2:25 PMTo: rhythmicliving Subject: Re: okay where is everyone today? Progesterone problem again

This could be temporary. However, I am now hot flashing like crazy. Maybe that damned DHEA WAS doing it. My doc suggested that I use 5 mg of DHEA but not until after I have stopped bleeding for longer than 3 days. I'll keep you posted! I'm bummed though because the DHEA gave me life again! Lots of energy. >> Wow, , maybe you just found your problem!!!!! > > _____ > > From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

[Guest guest]

, did you go back on the DHEA? Why not stop for a while. Then add more E and see what happens? You could be fluctuating right now coming off the DHEA.

Liz

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 2:25 PMTo: rhythmicliving Subject: Re: okay where is everyone today? Progesterone problem again

This could be temporary. However, I am now hot flashing like crazy. Maybe that damned DHEA WAS doing it. My doc suggested that I use 5 mg of DHEA but not until after I have stopped bleeding for longer than 3 days. I'll keep you posted! I'm bummed though because the DHEA gave me life again! Lots of energy. >> Wow, , maybe you just found your problem!!!!! > > _____ > > From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

[Guest guest]

Yes you can mess around comfortably with E when you don't have a

uterus. And when I did the Wiley protocol for one month and a half,

I used the E and YES it was like night and day. NO flashing. I also

held my lining until Day 28 -- just like she predicted. Only

problem was I blew up like a balloon. My whole body doubled in size

after I went through the P phase and then came the horrible pain. I

will also swear that the Wiley creams (despite the bad ingredients)

were much more potent than other compounding pharmacies.

>

> Or go up on your E. I know when I started the WP, I was on a

patch. My E was

> 32 or something like that. As soon as I went to the stardard WP-

8mgs a day,

> it was like night and day. Hot flashes went away. It took a couple

of weeks.

> BUT I don't have a uterus, so no bleeding to worry about. My E on

the first

> blood draw was like 99.

>

> Liz

>

> _____

[Guest guest]

Yes, this DHEA thing needs to be studied more. It strikes me odd that

we can just purchase it OTC. I also had a problem with herbs

. I broke out in hives all over my body when my doctor gave

me Vitex to use (chaste tree oil). I was allergic to the berry! I have

to be careful with trees!

>

> Diane Petoskey is good with getting estrogen levels up with nutrition

and

> supplements and herbs. And how to use or not use DHEA.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Most people haven't studied herbs for years, or centuries. And that

includes most MDs, unfortunately.

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> > Diane Petoskey is good with getting estrogen levels up with

nutrition

> and

> > supplements and herbs. And how to use or not use DHEA.

> >

> >

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