Re: Re: Help....need some advice please

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My wife is RRMS since 1996. Genetically her teeth are soft and she has

always had dental problems. Several rounds of IV steroids in the last 9

years have made her teeth deteriorate even faster. She has had multiple

root canals and crowns in the last 3 years. Post-dentist is *always* a

terrible time for her, and it isn't related to the influx of amalgam.

It could be argued that the root canals agitate the existing amalgam,

but her feeling is it's the anesthetic. The more of it she gets, the

worse her MS flares afterwards. On the occasional visit requiring only

a small filling or two, she asks for no anesthesia and has no MS

problems. Also, every time she gets even one shot in the roof of her

mouth, it leads to a raging sinus infection.

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>Thanks a million for such afast reply!!! I'm no way getting amalgamn

>fillings. I actually had never ever needed a filling before now, my

>teeth are one part of my body that's actualyl healthy ;o)I got one

>compostie filling so far and the other will be too.

>It's interesting that you think it's the dental work that triggered

>everything....I had thought that myself as I think I know my MS well

>at this stage but I needed someone else to verify it too.

>

>

>

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Edwinna,

Sorry to learn of your difficulties but stick to your diet, supplements and LDN 4.5mg.

I've been at this for 24 years, most of my trouble started after having 8 "Root Canals" done. Those procedures took about 3 years......since that time very few problems and all have gone away except for spasms in my buttocks and legs. Shortly after they were done I found that it was one of the worst things that one can do to one's self.

I have followed your posts for a long time.........and they are the best and most effective things that are available for ms'er's to date. Stick with your program....the troubles will pass.

Best wishes,

Tom

--Regards, Tom

-------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bren" <TwisterAlley2@...> > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I wish I could get here more but like with a baby is hectic. I really need > some advice and know there are a number of you here well up on LDN....especially > and would really appreciate some advice. > > I'll try make this post short but I doubt it will be :-/ > > MS started with Optic Neuritis in 2000...then fatigue etc etc and was > eventually dx in Jan 2002. Started avonex..did copaxone following year..got > awful sides from both and then on researchign more on net decided to quit ALL > drugs and take a natural approach. In April 2003 I started the Best Bet Diet and > after 2 months I reaped great benefits. Sicne then my MS has really stabilised. > I dont' think I have RR MS, it seems to be a slow progressive type. Anyway I > gave birth to my first baby last Jan 20th. I ahd a great pregnancy. I know a few > other MSer's who had babies the last year too who did now do anything aswell as > me during pregnany but I was one of the lucky ones where all my MS symptoms > disappeared from 4 months into pregnancy till 4 months postpartum. From four > months postpartum MS slowly started to retuen. MY hormones probably started to > drop around then as even though I was breastfeeding exclusively (and I swear the > breastfeeding kept my hormones in the right state for my MS) > > but there were less night feeds from here on and I guess from 5 motnhs when I > introduces some goats formula that I began producing less milk and my hormones > bagan dropping more. I had a flare in July when baby was 6 months , it wasn't > too bad and came about because of the awful hot humid heatwave we got for most > of the summer...this sort of weather is freaky in Ireland and I just couldnt' > bare the humidity and suffered horrible nausea and dizziness on and off. I never > suffered these symptoms before. Forgot to mention that when my MS started > returning 4 motnhs postpartum that my knees were awful sore for weeks but foudn > out it's common after having a baby but then I started getting stiff joints and > when I restarted LDN in September when I weane dmy baby at 7 and a half months, > the stiffness gradually got worse. I got my LDN from Dr. Lawrence. He now uses > avicel as filler....last time I was on LDN in 2004 prior to pregnancy I got my > LDN from him too and it was CC filler and that time > > round LDN did so much mroe for me....but I dont' think it could be the > filler, I guess it's harder for LDN to work now after having a baby. I took 3mg > for first month and then upped to 4.5mg. I'm now on it jsut over 3 months. In > early December I had to go to dentist as I had a cavity since late pregnancy( > nodoubt baby was sucking all the calcium out of me even though I took loads of > calcium supplemetns) . Luckily I didnt' need an extraction but I was given an > local and a temporary filling was put in to calm the nerve and it was supposed > to be replaced with permanent filling before xmas. BUT the day after I got the > local I got awful fatigue and everything has gone haywire since. I spent three > whoel weeks with the most awful fatigue and it was soooooooo hard trying to care > for baby with it. Then it was jsut back to normal when returned to dentist but I > asked coudl we leave that tooth alone for another while as I reckon the local > brought on a flare of my fatgue. I got another tiny > > composite filling that day I needed instead of them touching the other tooth > and I got this fillign with no local as it was only tiny , it was fine. Anyway > few days later my left eye started blurring. I've not had eye prblems at all > sicne starting the BBD in April 2003. The BBD sorted out my utthoffs syndrome > completely and my symptoms have not flared from heat since nor has my eye ever > flared since either. The weird thing is that it was always my right eye between > 2000 and 2003 and now it's my left so I'm not sure whether it's classed as a > flare of an old symptom or whether it's considered a new symptom and more > serious. It's not as bad as I used get in my right eye but it gets wrose when I > ahve a shower or get stressed, hot etc so I have to watch it.My fatigue is still > pretty bad too....surprisingly though my stiffness is improving...maybe it's > because I upped my calcium and magnesium a few motnhs back or maybe the > stiffness you gbet with LDN wares off after a few months..anyone > > know? My diet isn't as perfect asit used and to be honest I've induldged in > too much sigar the last few months and I know I shouldn't have ...alwso have > been eating some dairy and gluten and I wouldn't touch any of these before baby > was born but caring for a baby and having MS is so hard that when you're hungry > at times you crab what's available within reason. I dont' eat junk food and > infact eat all organic meat and veg and fruit but I have been eating some bread, > cheese and the odd biscuit here and there so I know I need to rid these foods > again and I'm motivated now with the new year. I saw a post here earlier bout > the candida home test,,,,thanks for posting this. I know all bout it > through the BBD etc and have done it in the past and needed the reminder. I will > be doign ti tomorrow morning..I'm pretty sure I must have some candida at least > but I wonder if it's the dental stuff has triggered everything off? When I got > Optic Neuritis in 2000, it took 6 months for my vision > > to come back fully, I'm terrified my left eye will take this long too ( I > havent' been to my Neuro since late 2003 as he wouldnt' prescribe LDN and was > pushing other CRABS whiich I have no interest in. Since then I've felt so ontop > on my MS and am proud I stabilised it and have done so well by sticking to > natural methods...I'm hopign though with getting my diet back on track I can get > back to a mroe stabilised state.....am I mad...does it sound like my MS is goign > to get worse? The stiffness has been very scary the last few months and I've > been having nitemares that I might loose my legs..I've never had leg problems > before baby arrived. Should I redice my dose to 3mg. I was only on 3mg in 2004 > when it worked far better but I was only on it 2 months and I became pregnant so > it wasn't much time to test it really and I know Dr. Bihari says you need 4.5mg > to halt progression so maybe i shoudl stick to it. I'm not as confident bout LDN > as I used be...at times I'm nearly tempted to > > ditch it but I have a months supply left in my bottle so I'll finsih that at > least. > > Please if anyone has any advice or been through similar I'd love to hear > from you! > > Thanks > > > ========= > > The dental work is definitely a factor. I have a feeling you are going to get > Amalgam fillings. I wish you'd get the type of fillings that do not contain > Mercury. > > Stay on the 4.5mg. Do the candida check and get back on your diet. It may be > several months before you get straightened out from the dental work. You sound > stressed also which is understandable. play some soothing music and rock in a > rocking chair your baby to sleep. The rocking and music will help your stress. > the dairy and sugar needs to go immediately. Buy Soy icecream as it has no > dairy. Get you some Stevia sweetener. I think you know what you need to do, > you just need it to come from one of us to get you motivated again. Glad you've > got your baby but giving birth to that baby sure didn't do MS any good. > Remember, the dental work is going to play havoc with your MS for several months > afterwards. Hang with the 4.5mg LDN. > > > > > > > >

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Klonopin is not an opiate. It is used for it's benzodiazepine properties as an anti-seizure medication. LDN may be taken with klonipin.

Kerry (the nursing professor with MS)

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For , Congrats for the new baby! Sorry to hear your MS symptoms are exacerbating. I was diagnosed with RRMS in 1999, and I have taken Lutein a vitamin to prevent Optic Neuritis. I had blurriness, never complete loss of sight before being diagnosed, but then discovered Lutein, now I take 6mg daily. For fatigue try Cayenne Pepper in pill form or if you have it as a spice, put a tablespoon of it in a cup with hot water and drink as much as you can you will have energy to spare. I advise not to drink Cayenne after 5pm or you may have problems falling asleep at bed time. You should also be taking Calcium supplements, to keep strong teeth and bones. I have never been one to drink milk, However, I love ice cream, so I am not Lactose intolerant. Try to stick with 4.5mg

of LDN, I have not had any exacerbation since starting in Jan 03. I do not eat meat only seafood. I do have a serving of rice daily, as I believe through research it is one of the main factors that MS is almost non-existent in the Asian culture. Best of Luck, Dee P.S. There are other supplements I take as well, contact me if you would like to know, it is very late. Bye!!!

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Hi Dee,

Very nice post. If you have the opportunity to share the supplements I think it is great for us all to see what each other are taking and see if there is any thing missing from our lists.

Thanks

Aletha

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For ,

Congrats for the new baby! Sorry to hear your MS symptoms are exacerbating.

I was diagnosed with RRMS in 1999, and I have taken Lutein a vitamin to prevent Optic Neuritis. I had blurriness, never complete loss of sight before being diagnosed, but then discovered Lutein, now I take 6mg daily.

For fatigue try Cayenne Pepper in pill form or if you have it as a spice, put a tablespoon of it in a cup with hot water and drink as much as you can you will have energy to spare. I advise not to drink Cayenne after 5pm or you may have problems falling asleep at bed time.

You should also be taking Calcium supplements, to keep strong teeth and bones. I have never been one to drink milk, However, I love ice cream, so I am not Lactose intolerant.

Try to stick with 4.5mg of LDN, I have not had any exacerbation since starting in Jan 03. I do not eat meat only seafood. I do have a serving of rice daily, as I believe through research it is one of the main factors that MS is almost non-existent in the Asian culture.

Best of Luck,

Dee

P.S. There are other supplements I take as well, contact me if you would like to know, it is very late. Bye!!!

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Hi Aletha et all, Here is a list of the vitamins and supplements I take: In the morning before breakfast (1) of each: Lutein ...........................................6mg. Cayenne Pepper ..........................450mg. Bee Pollen ...................................500mg. DL-Phenylalanne ...........................500mg. Calcium ........................................600mg. Echinacea ....................................400mg. Triple Omega 3-6-9 (Flax, Fish, Borax oils)........................................1000mg. *All these pills come in lower doses, you have to choose based on what works for you. (Note, You must(should) drink a glass or two of water after taking these pills, not to experience constipation, and eat something.) In the evening: (1) Calcium .....................................600mg The only prescription pills I take are oxbutynin (for urinary tract infection due to M.S.)..................................5mg. once a day, sometimes I skip (it depends on how busy the day), or I try to take at night because I am a deep sleeper. I do not wake until alarm goes off. (1) LDN ...........................................4.5mg. (every evening at bedtime between 11pm, and 12am. Again, take with water, preferably. I have recently ordered these vitamins from Puritan Pride www.puritanpride.com , but have not tried yet, for free catalog call 1-800-645-1030. I personally, prefer to order by mail. Shark Caartilage 740

mg. Kelp 15mg. Aloe Vera 1000mg. Selenium 200mcg. Puritan Pride has great vitamin sales, a lot of buy one get two free deals. To All, Best of Luck, Dee Aletha Wittmann <Aletha@...> wrote: Hi Dee, Very nice post. If you have the opportunity to share the supplements I think it is great for us all to see what each other are taking and see if there is any thing missing from

our lists. Thanks Aletha Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Help....need some advice please For , Congrats

for the new baby! Sorry to hear your MS symptoms are exacerbating. I was diagnosed with RRMS in 1999, and I have taken Lutein a vitamin to prevent Optic Neuritis. I had blurriness, never complete loss of sight before being diagnosed, but then discovered Lutein, now I take 6mg daily. For fatigue try Cayenne Pepper in pill form or if you have it as a spice, put a tablespoon of it in a cup with hot water and drink as much as you can you will have energy to spare. I advise not to drink Cayenne after 5pm or you may have problems falling asleep at bed time. You should also be taking Calcium supplements, to keep strong teeth and bones. I have never been one to drink milk, However, I love ice cream, so I am not Lactose intolerant. Try to stick with 4.5mg of LDN, I have not had any exacerbation since

starting in Jan 03. I do not eat meat only seafood. I do have a serving of rice daily, as I believe through research it is one of the main factors that MS is almost non-existent in the Asian culture. Best of Luck, Dee P.S. There are other supplements I take as well, contact me if you would like to know, it is very late. Bye!!! PhotosRing in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.

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Thanks Dee

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For ,

Congrats for the new baby! Sorry to hear your MS symptoms are exacerbating.

I was diagnosed with RRMS in 1999, and I have taken Lutein a vitamin to prevent Optic Neuritis. I had blurriness, never complete loss of sight before being diagnosed, but then discovered Lutein, now I take 6mg daily.

For fatigue try Cayenne Pepper in pill form or if you have it as a spice, put a tablespoon of it in a cup with hot water and drink as much as you can you will have energy to spare. I advise not to drink Cayenne after 5pm or you may have problems falling asleep at bed time.

You should also be taking Calcium supplements, to keep strong teeth and bones. I have never been one to drink milk, However, I love ice cream, so I am not Lactose intolerant.

Try to stick with 4.5mg of LDN, I have not had any exacerbation since starting in Jan 03. I do not eat meat only seafood. I do have a serving of rice daily, as I believe through research it is one of the main factors that MS is almost non-existent in the Asian culture.

Best of Luck,

Dee

P.S. There are other supplements I take as well, contact me if you would like to know, it is very late. Bye!!!

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Hi! First of all, I think it's great you are sharing your supplements with us . Thank you so much. I am concerned however that you are not taking magnesium. If you take calcium without magnesium, you are going to be one constipated puppy after a while and it also throws your electrolytes out of balance. Magnesium is so good for ms and the heart, restless leg, tolerance for loud noices, bright lights, I could go on and on. The orotate is the best form as it protects the oligodendrocytes of the myelin sheath. Also, Echinacea must be used with caution with an auto-immune disorder. You are taking some wonderful things and I'm not trying to be critical. I am just learning new things from the group and like to share what I have personally gathered through about 35 years of research!!! I started studying natural medicine when I was a baby. I'm not saying how old because people thing I'm in my mid-thirties. I will try to keep that persona as long as possible. Blessings

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For ,

Congrats for the new baby! Sorry to hear your MS symptoms are exacerbating.

I was diagnosed with RRMS in 1999, and I have taken Lutein a vitamin to prevent Optic Neuritis. I had blurriness, never complete loss of sight before being diagnosed, but then discovered Lutein, now I take 6mg daily.

For fatigue try Cayenne Pepper in pill form or if you have it as a spice, put a tablespoon of it in a cup with hot water and drink as much as you can you will have energy to spare. I advise not to drink Cayenne after 5pm or you may have problems falling asleep at bed time.

You should also be taking Calcium supplements, to keep strong teeth and bones. I have never been one to drink milk, However, I love ice cream, so I am not Lactose intolerant.

Try to stick with 4.5mg of LDN, I have not had any exacerbation since starting in Jan 03. I do not eat meat only seafood. I do have a serving of rice daily, as I believe through research it is one of the main factors that MS is almost non-existent in the Asian culture.

Best of Luck,

Dee

P.S. There are other supplements I take as well, contact me if you would like to know, it is very late. Bye!!!

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Oh also instead of the meds for the UTI's , try d-mannose! It works like a miracle!! Best Wishes. Kathy

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For ,

Congrats for the new baby! Sorry to hear your MS symptoms are exacerbating.

I was diagnosed with RRMS in 1999, and I have taken Lutein a vitamin to prevent Optic Neuritis. I had blurriness, never complete loss of sight before being diagnosed, but then discovered Lutein, now I take 6mg daily.

For fatigue try Cayenne Pepper in pill form or if you have it as a spice, put a tablespoon of it in a cup with hot water and drink as much as you can you will have energy to spare. I advise not to drink Cayenne after 5pm or you may have problems falling asleep at bed time.

You should also be taking Calcium supplements, to keep strong teeth and bones. I have never been one to drink milk, However, I love ice cream, so I am not Lactose intolerant.

Try to stick with 4.5mg of LDN, I have not had any exacerbation since starting in Jan 03. I do not eat meat only seafood. I do have a serving of rice daily, as I believe through research it is one of the main factors that MS is almost non-existent in the Asian culture.

Best of Luck,

Dee

P.S. There are other supplements I take as well, contact me if you would like to know, it is very late. Bye!!!

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Hi Kathy, I will give D-mannose a try. Thanks, Deemykittypaws <mykittypaws@...> wrote: Oh also instead of the meds for the UTI's , try d-mannose! It works like a miracle!! Best Wishes. Kathy Re:

[low dose naltrexone] Re: Help....need some advice please For , Congrats for the new baby! Sorry to hear your MS symptoms are exacerbating. I was diagnosed with RRMS in 1999, and I have taken Lutein a vitamin to prevent Optic Neuritis. I had blurriness, never complete loss of sight before being diagnosed, but then discovered Lutein, now I take 6mg daily. For fatigue try Cayenne Pepper in pill form or if you have it as a spice, put a tablespoon of it in a cup with hot water and drink as much as you can you will have energy to spare. I advise not to drink Cayenne after 5pm or you may have problems falling asleep at bed time. You should also be taking Calcium supplements, to keep strong teeth and bones. I have never been one to drink milk, However, I love ice cream, so I am

not Lactose intolerant. Try to stick with 4.5mg of LDN, I have not had any exacerbation since starting in Jan 03. I do not eat meat only seafood. I do have a serving of rice daily, as I believe through research it is one of the main factors that MS is almost non-existent in the Asian culture. Best of Luck, Dee P.S. There are other supplements I take as well, contact me if you would like to know, it is very late. Bye!!! PhotosRing in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less

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Hi Adelphia, I am sure you know about magnesium, but calcium has not been a problem of constipation for me, as I am quite regular. Even when I started LDN, I'd say I may have had 3 to 5 times over the last 2 plus yrs, a constipation problem. However, I will check out magnesium. Also, I know most on the board do not think echinacea is good for M.Sers. However, I have not had a cold since 2000, which is when I came down with the flu and was bedridden thru Christmas and New Years. I only take 1 echinacea pill a day. Since there seems to be 101 plus ways to contract M.S., everyone is different, and so one must do their own research/experiment on what dose or vitamins/medicines work for them. Dee

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Hi Dee,

My husband takes one Echinacea 1 to 2 times a week. He alternates on the other days with acidophilus and/or garlic pills. I figure that he is getting an array of different immune help. So far he is doing great with colds too. I think you are right that a lot of our bodies are different and you would know if your body is not reacting well. There is some controversy with Echinacea and MS, but I don't recall what exactly it is. But when I started this whole learning process everything I had read stated not to take anything at all that would help or strengthen immune system because it was attaching the body. But of course we found that LDN is regulating the LDN inadvertently by briefly stopping our endorphins. So I wonder if the controversy is within that old argument or is something different altogether.

Aletha

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Hi Adelphia,

I am sure you know about magnesium, but calcium has not been a problem of constipation for me, as I am quite regular. Even when I started LDN, I'd say I may have had 3 to 5 times over the last 2 plus yrs, a constipation problem. However, I will check out magnesium.

Also, I know most on the board do not think echinacea is good for M.Sers. However, I have not had a cold since 2000, which is when I came down with the flu and was bedridden thru Christmas and New Years. I only take 1 echinacea pill a day.

Since there seems to be 101 plus ways to contract M.S., everyone is different, and so one must do their own research/experiment on what dose or vitamins/medicines work for them.

Dee

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I agree. It is so different for everyone. You just have to try until you get the best combination that seems to work for you.We are all in this alone except for the help we get from each other .

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Hi Adelphia,

I am sure you know about magnesium, but calcium has not been a problem of constipation for me, as I am quite regular. Even when I started LDN, I'd say I may have had 3 to 5 times over the last 2 plus yrs, a constipation problem. However, I will check out magnesium.

Also, I know most on the board do not think echinacea is good for M.Sers. However, I have not had a cold since 2000, which is when I came down with the flu and was bedridden thru Christmas and New Years. I only take 1 echinacea pill a day.

Since there seems to be 101 plus ways to contract M.S., everyone is different, and so one must do their own research/experiment on what dose or vitamins/medicines work for them.

Dee

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Edwinna,

We're all in this together and I have found that the most help comes from others with ms. Keep your chin up...you are going to get through this.

--Regards, Tom

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Thanks for your kind message Tom. It's good to know someone else knows what I'm going through then and that hopefully I'm doign all I can and that things will improve again.tbayuk@... wrote:

Edwinna,

Sorry to learn of your difficulties but stick to your diet, supplements and LDN 4.5mg.

I've been at this for 24 years, most of my trouble started after having 8 "Root Canals" done. Those procedures took about 3 years......since that time very few problems and all have gone away except for spasms in my buttocks and legs. Shortly after they were done I found that it was one of the worst things that one can do to one's self.

I have followed your posts for a long time.........and they are the best and most effective things that are available for ms'er's to date. Stick with your program....the troubles will pass.

Best wishes,

Tom

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Hi Dee, thanks for your reply and sharing your supplement list. I am doing alot better now. My eyeis almost back to normal. My supplement list is alot differetn than yours but I follow the Best Bet Diet and Ashtons supplemetn list as to me it seems like the best bet with the rsearch he's gathered. I must look into the lutein,,,,I've never seen it before but have heard of a few others who take it too. Do you take magnesium at all? It is very importatn to take it with calcium and also another thing I've learned is to always take vitamins in the morning and minerals at night. Calcium and magnesium together help muscles relax so they are best taken after your last meal of the day and they help aid sleep. I find zinc very important too for the immune system and it keep depression at bay. It also aids a good

sleep. Aletha Wittmann <Aletha@...> wrote: Thanks Dee Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Help....need some advice please Hi Aletha et all, Here is a list of the vitamins and supplements I take: In the morning before breakfast (1) of each: Lutein ...........................................6mg. Cayenne Pepper ..........................450mg. Bee Pollen ...................................500mg. DL-Phenylalanne ...........................500mg. Calcium ........................................600mg. Echinacea ....................................400mg. Triple Omega 3-6-9 (Flax, Fish, Borax oils)........................................1000mg. *All these pills come in lower doses, you have to choose based on what works for you. (Note, You

must(should) drink a glass or two of water after taking these pills, not to experience constipation, and eat something.) In the evening: (1) Calcium .....................................600mg The only prescription pills I take are oxbutynin (for urinary tract infection due to M.S.)..................................5mg. once a day, sometimes I skip (it depends on how busy the day), or I try to take at night because I am a deep sleeper. I do not wake until alarm goes off. (1) LDN ...........................................4.5mg. (every evening at bedtime between 11pm, and 12am. Again, take with water, preferably. I have recently ordered these vitamins from Puritan Pride www.puritanpride.com , but have not

tried yet, for free catalog call 1-800-645-1030. I personally, prefer to order by mail. Shark Caartilage 740 mg. Kelp 15mg. Aloe Vera 1000mg. Selenium 200mcg. Puritan Pride has great vitamin sales, a lot of buy one get two free deals. To All, Best of Luck, Dee

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