Guest guest Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 I would argue Mike, that everyone has flu like symptoms. Flu like symptoms are related to the immune system fighting something, yes. However, tell someone that they're HIV positive and they'll go back in their history and be able to recall... there was the time when... I thought I knew when I had seroconverted, and it ended up being Mono. Not to mention the fact that everyone I had been with tested negative and I had just tested negative one month before. However, virus or no, I still don't think it's the cause of AIDS. It's a good point though. I'm still straddling the fence on whether there's a real retrovirus or not. Since 100 billion dollars hasn't produced one piece of solid evidence, I'm thinking not. However, I don't know enough to completely refute Dr. Duesberg's hypothesis. Caer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 M, You are a queen. If those goobers you live with don't realize that yet, I'm gonna have to come break some thumbs. ^__^ Caer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 T cells are a major player in your immune system. In general, MS, cancer, and all other autoimmune diseases face the same battle. Your immune system cannot cope with the onslaught of disease. What you need to do, if you have not already been doing this is to consider massive dietary change for openers. Please understand I am looking at this from a cancer perspective, I do not have MS, ALS, etc… But diet is a critical factor. Were it me, I would start by doing a candida albicans (yeast) flush. I would also want to do a mild liver flush to get the toxins out of my system that can trigger an attack. ALA (alpha lipoic acid) at about 600 mgs per day and Ester C to bowel tolerance daily for a month along with the liver flush. I would then maintain the Ester C at 4,000+ mgs per day past the first month. Limit meats to 10% or less of your diet and get rid of all dairy with the possible exception of occasional cream (does not have sugar of any kind in it). Get rid of ALL vegetable oils and restrict your usage to flax seed oil, coconut oil, and olive oil only. Increase you seafood intake for the additional Omega 3 oils. The key here is not to just take more Omega 3’s, but to actually do away with the other oils, margarine, etc… that are heavy in omega 6. Simply adding additional Omega 3’s does no good. Just taking fish oil caps, for instance is worthless if you do not restrict the other bad oils. Probably would not hurt to add some evening primrose oil also to your supplementary intake. Get rid of all processed sugars and bleached flours in your diet. Avoid all fried foods and caffeine laden foods. Severely restrict anything with gluten (gluten in flours requires immune system action to digest it and you do not need to take away from your immune system’s ability to fight your disease. Get all artificial sweeteners (aspartame, etc…) out of your diet and eliminate all MSG. Severely restrict or do away with all pectin laden candies such as gummy bears, jelly beans, etc… Strongly consider juicing green vegetables such as listed on our NUTRITION page. The phytonutrients/biflavinoids found in vegetables are very, very potent immune boosters. Also taking a powdered green food supplement for 4 to 6 months would help to balance out your system. Something such as Garden of Life Green Food listed on our SUPPLEMENTS page. (NOTE: we do not sell anything, just recommend what should be considered.) There is a lot more were it cancer that I would be doing, but this should be enough to see and increase in your T cell level. Regards, Bruce Guilmette, PhD Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc. Http://survivecancer.net Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own. Matt 6:34 (NIV) From: low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of Aristidis Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 3:41 AM low dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] T-cells Hi every one I'm in the group for 15 months and I never come across to the matter of T-cells. Since I was diagnosed, I'm fighting to bring those in to balance, and use LDN for this purpose. Not seeing any mention of this, I'm wondering if I do the right treatment. I'm having tests for T-cells every month, and I see no improvement. Any comment will be helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 In a message dated 2/6/2006 12:19:05 PM Central Standard Time, wjkeeman@... writes: --- In low dose naltrexone , "Aristidis" <aristalle@...> wrote: >Aristidis, what were you diagnosed with, can you provide more information on your treatment? Do you take LDN and for how long? How long have you been having your T-cells measured? You are right, I've been on this site longer than you and I've never seen anyone mention their T-cell levels. You are probably the only person posting here who can provide real blood-work information on what LDN can do and if Dr. Biharis claims are correct. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ , FYI...I have MS and a new doctor just had my TSH, T3 & T4 run. (He said that a TSH alone really tells a Dr nothing) I can't remember for sure, but I will find out, one of the numbers was too low, so he put me on 60mg of Armour Thyroid prescription. I have been on 4.5mg of LDN for over two years. Marcie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 In a message dated 2/6/2006 12:19:05 PM Central Standard Time, wjkeeman@... writes: --- In low dose naltrexone , "Aristidis" <aristalle@...> wrote: >Aristidis, what were you diagnosed with, can you provide more information on your treatment? Do you take LDN and for how long? How long have you been having your T-cells measured? You are right, I've been on this site longer than you and I've never seen anyone mention their T-cell levels. You are probably the only person posting here who can provide real blood-work information on what LDN can do and if Dr. Biharis claims are correct. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ , FYI...I have MS and a new doctor just had my TSH, T3 & T4 run. (He said that a TSH alone really tells a Dr nothing) I can't remember for sure, but I will find out, one of the numbers was too low, so he put me on 60mg of Armour Thyroid prescription. I have been on 4.5mg of LDN for over two years. Marcie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 In a message dated 2/6/2006 1:22:13 PM Central Standard Time, jaynbeth@... writes: Marcie, Are you happy with LDN? Have you taken the CRAB drugs in the past? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ , Very happy with LDN. Some symptom improvement. I took Avonex for two years but quit over 6 years ago. Did nothing for me. I had my 3 mercury amalgams removed and cavitations cleaned out. I chelated by IV at that time (2001). I am currently chelating with a product called Chelex. It contains DMSA, EDTA, Chlorella, Cilantro, and something else that I can't recall. Marcie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 By Dr. Bob Lawrence from the UK who has MS & uses LDN himself Initially, MS occurs due to a reduction in the activity of the controlling influence of the suppressor T-cells within the immune system. During an acute relapse, the overall number of T-cells is reduced, the normal balance of helper T-cells and suppressor T-cells is disrupted and the damaging helper (CD-4) T-cells tend to predominate. This is the situation most pronounced during an acute relapse but occurs similarly, but to a lesser extent, in chronic progressive MS. Under the influence of LDN there will be an expected increase in the overall numbers of T-cells but, because the CD-4, helper T-cells tend to predominate at this time, an increase in their numbers will expectedly tend to increase MS symptoms. It is only when the numbers of suppressor T-cells effectively catch up that the normal balance is restored and symptoms once again diminish and improve. When starting this LDN(Low Dose Naltrexone) therapy in the treatment of MS, there may also be some initial transient, though temporary, increase in MS symptoms. Experience in using this method has demonstrated most commonly, such as disturbed sleep, occasionally with vivid, bizarre and disturbing dreams, tiredness, fatigue, spasm and pain. These increased symptoms would not normally be expected to last more than seven to ten days. Rarely, other transient symptoms have included more severe pain and spasm, headache, diarrhea or vomiting. These additional symptoms would appear to be associated with the previous frequent use of strong analgesics, which effectively create an addiction and dependency, thus increasing the body's sensitivity to pain. This temporary increase in symptoms may also perhaps be explained when we consider the manner in which this drug is expected to work. In addition, because LDN stimulates the immune system and many of the drugs routinely used by the NHS in the treatment of MS further suppress the immune system, LDN cannot be used in company with steroids, beta interferon, methotrexate, azathioprine or mitozantrone or any other immune suppressant drug. If there is any doubt, please submit a full list of the drugs you are presently taking so that their compatibility may be assessed. In addition, because LDN will also block the analgesic effects of any opiate drugs (includes codeine, dihydrocodeine, morphine, pethidine or diamorphine) presently being taken, the use of LDN will initially greatly increase the level of pain experienced. It is therefore advisable that any opiate-like drugs be discontinued at least two weeks before this treatment is initiated. When starting the treatment it is essential that any untoward or adverse side-effects are reported immediately so that the treatment process can be further assessed and, if necessary, modified. Dr. M R Lawrence posted by Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 --- In low dose naltrexone , " Aristidis " <aristalle@...> wrote: >Aristidis, what were you diagnosed with, can you provide more information on your treatment? Do you take LDN and for how long? How long have you been having your T-cells measured? You are right, I've been on this site longer than you and I've never seen anyone mention their T-cell levels. You are probably the only person posting here who can provide real blood-work information on what LDN can do and if Dr. Biharis claims are correct. > Hi every one > I'm in the group for 15 months and I never come across to the matter > of T-cells. > Since I was diagnosed, I'm fighting to bring those in to balance, and > use LDN for this purpose. Not seeing any mention of this, I'm > wondering if I do the right treatment. I'm having tests for T-cells > every month, and I see no improvement. Any comment will be > helpful. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Marcie, Are you happy with LDN? Have you taken the CRAB drugs in the past? On Feb 6, 2006, at 2:11 PM, marciemjm@... wrote: > In a message dated 2/6/2006 12:19:05 PM Central Standard Time, > wjkeeman@... writes: > > >> >> >Aristidis, what were you diagnosed with, can you provide more >> information on your treatment? Do you take LDN and for how long? How >> long have you been having your T-cells measured? >> You are right, I've been on this site longer than you and I've never >> seen anyone mention their T-cell levels. You are probably the only >> person posting here who can provide real blood-work information on >> what LDN can do and if Dr. Biharis claims are correct. >> > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > , > > FYI...I have MS and a new doctor just had my TSH, T3 & T4 run. (He > said that a TSH alone really tells a Dr nothing) I can't remember > for sure, but I will find out, one of the numbers was too low, so > he put me on 60mg of Armour Thyroid prescription. I have been on > 4.5mg of LDN for over two years. > > Marcie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 > > >Aristidis, what were you diagnosed with, can you provide more > > information on your treatment? Do you take LDN and for how long? How > > long have you been having your T-cells measured? > > You are right, I've been on this site longer than you and I've never > > seen anyone mention their T-cell levels. You are probably the only > > person posting here who can provide real blood-work information on > > what LDN can do and if Dr. Biharis claims are correct. > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > , > > FYI...I have MS and a new doctor just had my TSH, T3 & T4 run. (He said that > a TSH alone really tells a Dr nothing) I can't remember for sure, but I will > find out, one of the numbers was too low, so he put me on 60mg of Armour > Thyroid prescription. I have been on 4.5mg of LDN for over two years. > > Marcie > ?????? Are you confusing T-cells and TSH? A TSH blood test tells a doctor a lot. It determines if your thyroid gland is overactive, underactive or normal. It's a very basic and reliable thyroid function test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 In a message dated 2/6/2006 3:22:14 PM Central Standard Time, wjkeeman@... writes: > Marcie > ?????? Are you confusing T-cells and TSH? A TSH blood test tells a doctor a lot. It determines if your thyroid gland is overactive, underactive or normal. It's a very basic and reliable thyroid function test. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ , I don't think that I'm confusing anything...I'm just telling you what my doctor told me. He said that the TSH alone is really not a very accurate indicator of the thyroid. The ratio of T3 - T4 tells more accurately, according to him, but maybe you know more about it than I. Marcie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 Thanks, Carolyn, will look for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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