Re: Re: RE:Funding a Study for LDN and MS

[Guest guest]

If some doctors found that the right

combination of garlic, olive oil and pepper cured cancer you can be sure that

nobody would be willing to invest the millions of dollars needed to do clinical

trials to get such a treatment approved because nobody would be making money on

it, and besides that, it would kill the goose that is laying many golden eggs. In

the past year Teva, the company that makes Copaxon, made $8,000,000 (that's

right, eight million dollars) on Copaxon alone – which I am sure everybody

agrees is quite a golden egg.

The film The Constant Gardner gives a good

picture of how the drug companies work and what their level of ethics and

morality are.

From:

low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006

7:02 PM

low dose naltrexone

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re:

RE:Funding a Study for LDN and MS

Gigi

Naltrexone is a generic drug, so anyone can produce it which

means the price will remain low. If it is trailed by one of the charities then

this will not get it a licence for MS or anything else but it may get it more

widely accepted by doctors and therefore easier to get prescribed. If LDN had

been trialed in 1986 and proved as effective as most of us think it is and

then licensed for MS it would have stopped all the money made by all the

licensed treatments. Let us suppose that a single pill was invented to cure

every sickness and say that cost £100 per patient, do you honestly think

it would be sold and every hospital and drug company would just reduce in

size with out a fuss, of course they would not. LDN is of course no

where near that, but it is effecting the sales of licensed drugs for MS and

Cancer and slowly spreading to other conditions. Western Medicine is a business

and all businesses in a capitalist economy want to create extra demand for

their products and eliminate as much competition as they can. Look at the way

natural health is rubbished and regulated, who would not wish to solve a

problem with a health supplement rather than a drug even as benign as LDN. In

the western world it is illegal to claim vitamin C cures scurvy, let alone

anything else.

Look at some of the suppressed treatments or should we say

treatments not pursued for Cancer, Royal Rife or Otto Warburg

for instance. If sickness was abolished tomorrow look at the problems that

would cause to the medical business. I am not saying we could abolish

sickness tomorrow, but if science and not money were at the helm we would

certainly do a lot better than we are now.

Dave

Message: 4

Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:03:17 -0800 (PST)

From: gigi held <georgina374@...>

Subject: Re: RE:Funding a Study for LDN and MS

What does this mean? Is it a double edged sword? Trial it and it's

effectiveness creates havoc in the establishment. Trial it and it becomes

the new " IT " drug at a no longer affordable rate. Trial it and

every medical nay sayer suddenly grows a conscience, making ldn widely

available and the world becomes a better and healthier place.

Wow, what a concept. I'm really not being glib, I'm just trying to

understand the potential outcome.

It seems that private funds for a trial might be the way to go in order to keep

it fairly priced, if indeed the drug companies et'al wouldn't do all in their

power to keep it off the market for that very reason.

Help am I missing the forest for the trees?

Gigi

[Guest guest]

GIgi,Dave,

You both bring valid points. However since the

posession paperwork has expired, any company can make

this drug, Which is from what I understand why nobody

wants to spend the money on the trials......it

wouldn't promise them a monopoly on a cure all drug.

The flip side, this drug gets tested. It helps

people immensly. Healing is found around the world!

Alelueyah! Now what about those drug co's? The poor

businesses are going to have a reduced work force? I

think not. They will just look for something that

this pill or any other for that matter, can't cure.

Hell, mankind is so far on its way there now anyway.

They won't have far to go.

If you don't believe me. Your on a computer, Look

into who owns a company, look who they are

incorporated with, then look at all the other co's who

are also owned by this corporate giant.

One that comes to mind is Bayer as in aspirin. as in

weed killer, as in manufacturer with a mission

statement of " developing the future " . go look at

things. What you read can be scary.

just another two cents.

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--- <davidtaylor@...> wrote:

> Gigi

>

> Naltrexone is a generic drug, so anyone can produce

> it which means the price will remain low. If it is

> trailed by one of the charities then this will not

> get it a licence for MS or anything else but it may

> get it more widely accepted by doctors and therefore

> easier to get prescribed. If LDN had been trialed in

> 1986 and proved as effective as most of us think it

> is and then licensed for MS it would have stopped

> all the money made by all the licensed treatments.

> Let us suppose that a single pill was invented to

> cure every sickness and say that cost £100 per

> patient, do you honestly think it would be sold and

> every hospital and drug company would just reduce in

> size with out a fuss, of course they would not. LDN

> is of course no where near that, but it is effecting

> the sales of licensed drugs for MS and Cancer and

> slowly spreading to other conditions. Western

> Medicine is a business and all businesses in a

> capitalist economy want to create extra demand for

> their products and eliminate as much competition as

> they can. Look at the way natural health is

> rubbished and regulated, who would not wish to solve

> a problem with a health supplement rather than a

> drug even as benign as LDN. In the western world it

> is illegal to claim vitamin C cures scurvy, let

> alone anything else.

>

> Look at some of the suppressed treatments or should

> we say treatments not pursued for Cancer, Royal Rife

> or Otto Warburg for instance. If sickness was

> abolished tomorrow look at the problems that would

> cause to the medical business. I am not saying we

> could abolish sickness tomorrow, but if science and

> not money were at the helm we would certainly do a

> lot better than we are now.

>

> Dave

>

> Message: 4

> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:03:17 -0800 (PST)

> From: gigi held <georgina374@...>

> Subject: Re: RE:Funding a Study for LDN and MS

>

> What does this mean? Is it a double edged sword?

> Trial it and it's effectiveness creates havoc in the

> establishment. Trial it and it becomes the new " IT "

> drug at a no longer affordable rate. Trial it and

> every medical nay sayer suddenly grows a conscience,

> making ldn widely available and the world becomes a

> better and healthier place.

> Wow, what a concept. I'm really not being glib,

> I'm just trying to understand the potential outcome.

>

>

> It seems that private funds for a trial might be the

> way to go in order to keep it fairly priced, if

> indeed the drug companies et'al wouldn't do all in

> their power to keep it off the market for that very

> reason.

>

> Help am I missing the forest for the trees?

>

> Gigi

>

>

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[Guest guest]

How about lobbying the National MS Soc (nmss.org)?

Rae

From: low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of Russ MilesSent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:13 AMlow dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: RE:Funding a Study for LDN and MS

I think most of us respect your point of view, Bill I, for one, feel that if something is worth doing, it's worth doing wrong ~ and then, if necessary, doing it over until we can get it right! ...lol...~Hugs~ Russ:))> >> > If some doctors found that the right combination of garlic, olive > oil and> > pepper cured cancer you can be sure that nobody would be willing > to invest> > the millions of dollars needed to do clinical trials to get such a > treatment> > approved because nobody would be making money on it, and besides > that, it> > would kill the goose that is laying many golden eggs. In the past > year Teva,> > the company that makes Copaxon, made $8,000,000 (that's right, > eight million> > dollars) on Copaxon alone – which I am sure everybody agrees is > quite a> > golden egg. > > > > The film The Constant Gardner gives a good picture of how the drug > companies> > work and what their level of ethics and morality are.> > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: low dose naltrexone > > [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 7:02 PM> > low dose naltrexone > > Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: RE:Funding a Study for LDN and MS> > > > > > > > Gigi> > > > > > > > Naltrexone is a generic drug, so anyone can produce it which means > the price> > will remain low. If it is trailed by one of the charities then > this will not> > get it a licence for MS or anything else but it may get it more > widely> > accepted by doctors and therefore easier to get prescribed. If LDN > had been> > trialed in 1986 and proved as effective as most of us think it is > and then> > licensed for MS it would have stopped all the money made by all > the licensed> > treatments. Let us suppose that a single pill was invented to cure > every> > sickness and say that cost £100 per patient, do you honestly think > it would> > be sold and every hospital and drug company would just reduce in > size with> > out a fuss, of course they would not. LDN is of course no where > near that,> > but it is effecting the sales of licensed drugs for MS and Cancer > and slowly> > spreading to other conditions. Western Medicine is a business and > all> > businesses in a capitalist economy want to create extra demand for > their> > products and eliminate as much competition as they can. Look at > the way> > natural health is rubbished and regulated, who would not wish to > solve a> > problem with a health supplement rather than a drug even as benign > as LDN.> > In the western world it is illegal to claim vitamin C cures > scurvy, let> > alone anything else. > > > > > > > > Look at some of the suppressed treatments or should we say > treatments not> > pursued for Cancer, Royal Rife or Otto Warburg for instance. If > sickness was> > abolished tomorrow look at the problems that would cause to the > medical> > business. I am not saying we could abolish sickness tomorrow, but > if> > science and not money were at the helm we would certainly do a lot > better> > than we are now.> > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:03:17 -0800 (PST)> > From: gigi held < <mailto:georgina374@> georgina374@>> > Subject: Re: RE:Funding a Study for LDN and MS> > > > What does this mean? Is it a double edged sword? Trial it and > it's> > effectiveness creates havoc in the establishment. Trial it and it > becomes> > the new "IT" drug at a no longer affordable rate. Trial it and > every> > medical nay sayer suddenly grows a conscience, making ldn widely > available> > and the world becomes a better and healthier place. > > Wow, what a concept. I'm really not being glib, I'm just trying > to> > understand the potential outcome. > > > > It seems that private funds for a trial might be the way to go in > order to> > keep it fairly priced, if indeed the drug companies et'al wouldn't > do all in> > their power to keep it off the market for that very reason. > > > > Help am I missing the forest for the trees?> > > > Gigi_____

[Guest guest]

OK Larry,

Any ideas on how to put some serious pressure on the MS Society. Maybe we

can bombard them with letters and stories. Maybe we can write articles and

ask the question as to why the MS Society does not help to fund a research

project for this promising drug.

Perhaps we can all put our letters together and share our stories in the

letters, of how we are getting better, at the same time contact newspapers

and then all at once send them out. I don't know anything about PR, but it

must be easier to ignore things when they are just trickling in then when

they all come in at once at you.

Aletha

Re: RE:Funding a Study for LDN and MS

> > >

> > > What does this mean? Is it a double edged sword? Trial it

and

> > it's

> > > effectiveness creates havoc in the establishment. Trial it

and

> it

> > becomes

> > > the new " IT " drug at a no longer affordable rate. Trial it

and

> > every

> > > medical nay sayer suddenly grows a conscience, making ldn

widely

> > available

> > > and the world becomes a better and healthier place.

> > > Wow, what a concept. I'm really not being glib, I'm just

> trying

> > to

> > > understand the potential outcome.

> > >

> > > It seems that private funds for a trial might be the way to go

> in

> > order to

> > > keep it fairly priced, if indeed the drug companies et'al

> wouldn't

> > do all in

> > > their power to keep it off the market for that very reason.

> > >

> > > Help am I missing the forest for the trees?

> > >

> > > Gigi

> _____

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Aletha,

You might want to call your Congressman too. Maybe set up an

appointment with Him or Her.

On Mar 16, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Aletha Wittmann wrote:

> OK Larry,

>

> Any ideas on how to put some serious pressure on the MS Society.

> Maybe we

> can bombard them with letters and stories. Maybe we can write

> articles and

> ask the question as to why the MS Society does not help to fund a

> research

> project for this promising drug.

>

> Perhaps we can all put our letters together and share our stories

> in the

> letters, of how we are getting better, at the same time contact

> newspapers

> and then all at once send them out. I don't know anything about

> PR, but it

> must be easier to ignore things when they are just trickling in

> then when

> they all come in at once at you.

>

> Aletha

> Re: RE:Funding a Study for LDN and MS

> > > >

> > > > What does this mean? Is it a double edged sword? Trial it

> and

> > > it's

> > > > effectiveness creates havoc in the establishment. Trial it

> and

> > it

> > > becomes

> > > > the new " IT " drug at a no longer affordable rate. Trial it

> and

> > > every

> > > > medical nay sayer suddenly grows a conscience, making ldn

> widely

> > > available

> > > > and the world becomes a better and healthier place.

> > > > Wow, what a concept. I'm really not being glib, I'm just

> > trying

> > > to

> > > > understand the potential outcome.

> > > >

> > > > It seems that private funds for a trial might be the way to go

> > in

> > > order to

> > > > keep it fairly priced, if indeed the drug companies et'al

> > wouldn't

> > > do all in

> > > > their power to keep it off the market for that very reason.

> > > >

> > > > Help am I missing the forest for the trees?

> > > >

> > > > Gigi

> > _____

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I've been on ldn for about 2 months, and have had good results. I'm

also on the board of the MS Society in my area, and am active in the

local self-help group. One of our members has already started on ldn,

and two others plan to start in the next few weeks. As people see

results in others, they are more open to the idea of something

different. People see that I no longer need my cane when I attend

meetings, and this leads to discussion.

I'm from the 60's, and we found that change can occur when large

numbers of people work together. The letters and articles are an

excellent idea, but I think that in addition, we need to be in front of

people as much as possible - if more of us work from the inside with

the MS Society, perhaps we can bring about change. The new president,

Joyce , says she wants the Society to be more open to new ideas,

and to act as more of an umbrella organization. This is certainly a

specific way to see if she is, literally, willing to put her money

where her mouth is!

Leatha

Aletha Wittmann wrote:

OK Larry,

Any ideas on how to put some serious pressure on the MS Society. Maybe

we

can bombard them with letters and stories. Maybe we can write articles

and

ask the question as to why the MS Society does not help to fund a

research

project for this promising drug.

Perhaps we can all put our letters together and share our stories in

the

letters, of how we are getting better, at the same time contact

newspapers

and then all at once send them out. I don't know anything about PR,

but it

must be easier to ignore things when they are just trickling in then

when

they all come in at once at you.

Aletha

Re: RE:Funding a Study for LDN and MS

> > >

> > > What does this mean? Is it a double edged sword? Trial

it

and

> > it's

> > > effectiveness creates havoc in the establishment. Trial

it

and

> it

> > becomes

> > > the new "IT" drug at a no longer affordable rate. Trial

it

and

> > every

> > > medical nay sayer suddenly grows a conscience, making ldn

widely

> > available

> > > and the world becomes a better and healthier place.

> > > Wow, what a concept. I'm really not being glib, I'm

just

> trying

> > to

> > > understand the potential outcome.

> > >

> > > It seems that private funds for a trial might be the way

to go

> in

> > order to

> > > keep it fairly priced, if indeed the drug companies et'al

> wouldn't

> > do all in

> > > their power to keep it off the market for that very

reason.

> > >

> > > Help am I missing the forest for the trees?

> > >

> > > Gigi

> _____

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree and we all need to get the word out there to everyone about LDN no matter what we have to do or who we have to talk to. Go to the MS Society meetings in your areas and speak up, make up flyers and pass them around, write letters to talk shows, tv news, MS Organizations etc. Whatever it takes to get it out there and to raise a stink so someone will start doing something about it. It's bad enough that there is not enough Awareness out there about MS and TM. Now the medications that do work and will help we have to fight for. Let's all work together and get the word out there about LDN!!!! Always A Friend, CrystalLeatha <leathaj@...> wrote: I've been

on ldn for about 2 months, and have had good results. I'm also on the board of the MS Society in my area, and am active in the local self-help group. One of our members has already started on ldn, and two others plan to start in the next few weeks. As people see results in others, they are more open to the idea of something different. People see that I no longer need my cane when I attend meetings, and this leads to discussion. I'm from the 60's, and we found that change can occur when large numbers of people work together. The letters and articles are an excellent idea, but I think that in addition, we need to be in front of people as much as possible - if more of us work from the inside with the MS Society, perhaps we can bring about change. The new president, Joyce , says she wants the Society to be more open to new ideas, and to act as more of an umbrella organization. This is certainly a specific way to see if she is, literally, willing to put her money where her

mouth is!Leatha Aletha Wittmann wrote: OK Larry,Any ideas on how to put some serious pressure on the MS Society. Maybe we can bombard them with letters and stories. Maybe we can write articles and ask the question as to why the MS Society does not help to fund a research project for this promising drug.Perhaps we can all put our letters together and share our stories in the letters, of how we are getting better, at the same time contact newspapers and then all at once send them out. I don't know anything about PR, but it must be easier to ignore things when they are just trickling in then when they all come in at once at you.Aletha Re: RE:Funding a Study for LDN and MS> > >> > > What does this mean? Is it a double edged sword? Trial itand> > it's> > > effectiveness creates havoc in the establishment. Trial itand> it> > becomes> > > the new "IT" drug at a no longer affordable rate. Trial itand> > every> > >

medical nay sayer suddenly grows a conscience, making ldnwidely> > available> > > and the world becomes a better and healthier place.> > > Wow, what a concept. I'm really not being glib, I'm just> trying> > to> > > understand the potential outcome.> > >> > > It seems that private funds for a trial might be the way to go> in> > order to> > > keep it fairly priced, if indeed the drug companies et'al> wouldn't> > do all in> > > their power to keep it off the market for that very reason.> > >> > > Help am I missing the forest for the trees?> > >> > > Gigi> _____>>>>>>>>>