Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 > And there is no arguing about the fact that a flu shot will NOT > protect anyone from the bird flu. I think I read that somebody said > that on here, maybe I am mistaken, but it does NOT. > > JMHO, > > You are not mistaken. From what I've read, the there is no flu shot or immunization currently available for the bird flu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 I just read somewhere -- I wish I could remember where -- that there is a bird flu vaccine being produced right now. But I believe there is a problem with being able to produce *enough* in time. Donna > > > > And there is no arguing about the fact that a flu shot will NOT > > protect anyone from the bird flu. I think I read that somebody said > > that on here, maybe I am mistaken, but it does NOT. > > > > JMHO, > > > > > > You are not mistaken. From what I've read, the there is no flu shot or > immunization currently available for the bird flu. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Donna, I think my local paper said something about that too. I can't recall the details, but I believe that the vaccines are only experimental at this time while the antiviral medication used in treating it is in very short supply. Another problem is a mutated strain could become non-resistant to antiviral drugs. On Oct 10, 2005, at 11:52 AM, Donna B. wrote: > I just read somewhere -- I wish I could remember where -- that there > is a bird flu vaccine being produced right now. But I believe there > is a problem with being able to produce *enough* in time. > > Donna > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Not sure about the time line on bird flu vaccine development - but according to our local Doctor there are two scenarios for mass infection in humans - one is that it jumps species and then develops the ability to jump from human to human - in which case there is no protection until the vaccine is developed, tested and released. The other scenario and one that is being studied very closely here is that the bird flu, once in a human subject interacts with other human flu viruses and creates a new strain. In this case it is possible that there is enough genetic material from the human strains in the new virus that will cause a protective immune response in a subject who has had flu vaccination. I ran this by Dr Goldberg last week who responded that he is recommending flu shots for us and our kids - obviously with consideration to each childs own immune health. Something to think about, , Singapore Re: Bird Flu I just read somewhere -- I wish I could remember where -- that there is a bird flu vaccine being produced right now. But I believe there is a problem with being able to produce *enough* in time. Donna > > > > And there is no arguing about the fact that a flu shot will NOT > > protect anyone from the bird flu. I think I read that somebody said > > that on here, maybe I am mistaken, but it does NOT. > > > > JMHO, > > > > > > You are not mistaken. From what I've read, the there is no flu shot or > immunization currently available for the bird flu. > > > Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with the original author(s), and is not necessarily endorsed by or the opinion of the Research Institute and/or the Parent Coalition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 There have been zero reported cases of avian flu being transmitted from human to human. All known cases of " bird flu " over the last thirty years have been tranmitted from infected poultry directly to humans who have contact with that infected poultry. This is not to say another scenario would not be possible just that it is unlikely. > > > > > > > And there is no arguing about the fact that a flu shot will NOT > > > protect anyone from the bird flu. I think I read that somebody said > > > that on here, maybe I am mistaken, but it does NOT. > > > > > > JMHO, > > > > > > > > > > You are not mistaken. From what I've read, the there is no flu shot or > > immunization currently available for the bird flu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with > the original author(s), and is not necessarily endorsed by or the > opinion of the Research Institute and/or the Parent Coalition. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 , We know this..... that's why I said " and then develops the ability to jump from human to human " H5N1 first emerged in Hong Kong in 1997, then later re-emerged in Korea, Taiwan at the end of 2003, and China and Vietnam in early 2004. This year it has spread to Indonesia and also through Russia. Yesterday, a bird-flu strain (yet to be confirmed as H5N1) was confirmed in domestic fowl in Turkey and Romania - officially putting it in Europe. It spread very slowly between 1997 and 2003 and has accelerated since - suggesting change. 65 Humans have died so far since late 2003, 44 in Vietnam, 12 in Thailand, 5 in Indonesia and four in Cambodia. In many of these areas, it is the close proximity of human living to raising domestic fowls and the practice of selling live birds for slaughter in markets (must eat the freshest - and a practice that continues despite refrigeration) that allows bird to human transmission. Quoting from today's " Straits Times " an internationally released article says " The virus does not pass from person to person, but experts warn that it can mutate to a form that becomes a human flu virus, passing easily between people and triggering a pandemic. " On the vaccine issue, in a second article it says " there is now no specific vaccine against the H5N1 virus, and even if one is developed, it would take years to produce, and distribute enough to effectively combat a pandemic in humans. " Re: Bird Flu There have been zero reported cases of avian flu being transmitted from human to human. All known cases of " bird flu " over the last thirty years have been tranmitted from infected poultry directly to humans who have contact with that infected poultry. This is not to say another scenario would not be possible just that it is unlikely. > > > > > > > And there is no arguing about the fact that a flu shot will NOT > > > protect anyone from the bird flu. I think I read that somebody said > > > that on here, maybe I am mistaken, but it does NOT. > > > > > > JMHO, > > > > > > > > > > You are not mistaken. From what I've read, the there is no flu shot or > > immunization currently available for the bird flu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with > the original author(s), and is not necessarily endorsed by or the > opinion of the Research Institute and/or the Parent Coalition. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Here is an article regarding the Bird Flu written by Dr. Murray. It stresses the importance of a strong immune systems and way to strengthen yours. Kenda >Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:29:52 -0700 > >Preparing for the Bird Flu and Other Killer Viruses > >By > > T. Murray, N.D. > >Introduction > The " bird flu " is the common name given to avian influenza - an infectious >disease of birds caused by type A strains of the influenza virus. There are >many different subtypes of type A influenza viruses. The subtype that is >the most significant to humans right now is H5N1. Although this strain has >been around for some time, a significantly deadly outbreak of influenza >H5N1 occurred among poultry in Hong Kong in 1997 and throughout Asia during >late 2003 and early 2004. During that time, more than 100 million birds in >the affected countries either died from the disease or were killed in order >to try to control the outbreak. In 1997, the entire poultry population of >Honk Kong (estimated to be 1.5 million birds) were wiped out in an attempt >to block the spread of the disease. Obviously, this effort failed. > So, what is the big deal about birds dying from a virus. Well, although >the H5N1 virus does not usually infect humans if it does make the leap it >produces severe and often fatal consequences. The first documented >infection of humans with an avian influenza virus occurred in Hong Kong in >1997, when the H5N1 strain caused severe respiratory disease in 18 humans, >of whom 6 died. Since the more recent outbreak of H5N1 in Asian poultry, >fatal human infections of H5N1 have now been reported in Cambodia, >Indonesia, Thailand, and Vietnam. > >Why H5N1 is of particular concern? > Of the 15 avian influenza virus subtypes, H5N1 is of particular concern >for several reasons. First, it mutates rapidly and has a documented >propensity to acquire genes from other viruses that would allow it to >infect humans. Secondly, it is an extremely deadly virus compared to other >subtypes. > Published information about the clinical course of human infection with >H5N1 is limited. In the 1997 Hong Kong outbreak, patients developed >symptoms of fever, sore throat, cough and, in several of the fatal cases, >severe respiratory distress secondary to viral pneumonia. > >Human-to-human transmission > Right now it appears that human infection with H5N1 most often occurs from >contact with infected poultry or contaminated surfaces; however, it is >thought that in a few cases human-to-human spread of H5N1 have occurred, >but spread of the virus has not continued beyond one person. However, >because all influenza viruses have the ability to change, scientists are >concerned that the H5N1 virus one day could be able to infect humans and >spread easily from one person to another. Because these viruses do not >commonly infect humans, there is little or no built in immune protection >against them in humans. If the H5N1 virus were able to infect people and >spread easily from person to person, an influenza pandemic (worldwide >outbreak of disease) could begin. > >Influenza pandemics: A brief history > The warning of a major bird flu pandemic coming from various health >experts and recently echoed by President Bush are based on historical >patterns. Throughout history influenza pandemics have occurred. In the 20th >century, the following pandemics occurred: > >* 1918-19 - The " Spanish flu " caused the highest number of known influenza >deaths. More than 500,000 people died in the United States and up to 50 >million people died worldwide. Many people died within the first few days >after infection, and others died of secondary complications. >* 1957-58, " Asian flu, " [A (H2N2)], caused about 70,000 deaths in the >United States . First identified in China in late February 1957, the Asian >flu spread to the United States by June 1957. >* 1968-69, " Hong Kong flu, " [A (H3N2)], caused about 34,000 deaths in the >United States . This virus was first detected in Hong Kong in early 1968 >and spread to the United States later that year. Influenza A (H3N2) viruses >still circulate today. > > Both the 1957-58 and 1968-69 pandemics were caused by viruses containing a >combination of genes from a human influenza virus and an avian influenza >virus. The 1918-19 pandemic virus appears to have an avian origin. One of >the scary factors about the Spanish flu was that nearly half of those who >died were young, healthy adults. Most often flu infections target the very >young, the old, and those with poor immune function. > >Strengthening Your Immune System > When working properly, the immune system has a remarkable arsenal of >weapons that have an enormous capacity to fight off microorganisms that >have the capacity to infect us and do us harm. At all times, day and >night, we are constantly exposed to various " bugs " -bacteria, viruses, >fungi, and other invisible invaders. They are in the food we eat and the >air we breathe. They're in everything we touch or smell. Despite this >onslaught, many of us rarely catch a cold or get sick because of the >strength or our immune system. With a strong immune system, you are safe >from attack by all but the most virulent microorganisms. Even if infection >does gain a foothold, it's usually just a matter of time before your immune >system mounts an effective counterattack. Strengthening your immune system >is the primary goal in gearing up to deal with not only the coming " cold >and flu season, " but also in preparation for a possible influenza pandemic. >The first step is to follow a health promoting lifestyle including learning >to deal with stress effectively. Next is to make sure that you provide the >immune system with all the vital nutrients it needs to function optimally. >These two simply steps can go along way in supporting central control >mechanisms to keep the immune system functioning in a manner that not only >increase your resistance to colds and flu and other infections but also >protect yourself against cancer and other potentially deadly diseases. > >Lifestyle and immunity > Now let's discuss the practical steps you can take to improve immune >system function. The first goal is to take a look at your lifestyle to see >if there are any factors that may be interfering with your body's ability >to fend off illness. Among the most likely culprits: >* Chronic or severe stress >* Excessive consumption of alcohol >* Exposure to environmental toxins >* Cigarette smoke >* Lack of exercise >* Poor sleep quality > For most people, the biggest factor that depresses their immune function >is stress. When you experience stress, your adrenal glands pump out more >adrenaline and corticosteroids. These hormones inhibit white blood cell >formation and function and cause the thymus gland - the main central >control unit of the immune system - to shrink. Stress suppresses immunity >by stimulating the sympathetic nervous system. This is a part of the >autonomic nervous system that is responsible for the fight-or-flight >response. > Good immune function requires being under the control of the other " arm " >of the autonomic nervous system, the parasympathetic nervous system. This >system automatically assumes control during periods of rest, relaxation, >visualization, meditation, and sleep. But, if we stay relaxed and calm >during our waking hours, it can balance out the negative effects the >sympathetic nervous system exerts. During the deepest levels of sleep, >potent immune-enhancing compounds are released, and many immune functions >are greatly increased. At least seven hours of sleep per day is essential >for helping the immune system function at its peak. > If you want a properly functioning immune system, it is absolutely vital >that you reduce the amount of stress in your life as well as learn to >better control it. The basic strategy for stress reduction is to find >positive, relaxing ways of releasing excess tension and help your autonomic >nervous system function under parasympathetic control. Stress reduction >does not mean that you have to give up the high-energy lifestyle that you >really enjoy. Find a routine that works for you. Doing so will not only >help your immune system but will also improve your relationships and free >up energy and focus. > >Nutrition and immunity >A deficiency of virtually any single nutrient can significantly impair >immunity. Throughout the world, nutrient deficiency is by far the most >common cause of poor immune function. This fact is by no means limited to >people whose diets are restricted by poverty. In America, many people are >overfed but undernourished. They choose foods that have a lot of calories, >but little real nutritional value. Here are some simple guidelines: >* Eat a diet that is rich in a variety of vegetables (especially the green >leafy ones), fresh fruits, whole grains, beans, nuts, and seeds. These >plant foods are rich in essential nutrients and immune boosting chemicals. >* Cut out the sweet stuff. Sugar makes your white blood cells sluggish. >Studies show that eating 100 grams of sugar (about 3.5 ounces) reduces the >ability of a type of white blood cell known as a neutrophil to engulf and >destroy bacteria by as much as forty percent within two hours after >ingestion. Since neutrophils account for about sixty to seventy percent of >your white blood cells, interfering with them can seriously impair your >immune function. >* Decrease the intake of saturated fats and cholesterol. A diet high in >saturated fat suppresses immunity. >* Eat sufficient, but not excessive amounts of protein. Adequate protein >intake is critical in the making of white blood cells, antibodies, and >chemical messengers such as interferon. You also need protein to make >antioxidant enzymes such as glutathione, which is found in abundance in >white blood cells. Elevated glutathione levels are associated with better >immune function. Individuals with low immune function can often benefit >from eating more protein from fish, lean poultry, and lean cuts of meats. >Taking a high quality protein supplement is also a good idea if you have a >history of low immunity. Whey protein is the highest quality protein. An >additional 40 to 50 grams per day for one month will boost protein stores >back to normal. After the month is up, I would still recommend 20 grams of >either choice or combined daily. In vegetarians, substitute soy protein for >whey protein. >* Take a high-potency, high-quality vitamin and mineral supplement like my >MultiStart formulas from Natural Factors. Doing so will increase your >intake of all of the key vitamins and minerals required for optimal immune >function. A landmark study found that adults who took a multi vitamin and >mineral supplement had a fifty percent decrease in the number of days of >illness due to infection compared to the group that took a placebo. Those >taking the supplement were also showed improvement on eight out of twelve >objective measures of immune function. > >Additional support > While a health promoting lifestyle and optimal nutrition provide a strong >foundation for strengthening immune function, during times of increased >stress or exposure to viruses and other organisms additional support is >definitely need. One formula that I highly recommend to provide this extra >boost is Anti-V from Natural Factors. This herbal formula contains the >following concentrated extracts: >* Echinamide - a patented, clinically proven, super-extracted Echinacea >purpurea liquid that guarantees high levels of the three key active groups >of compounds responsible for echinacea's actions on the immune system. >* Astragalus (Astragalus membranaceus) - the most famous herb in Chinese >medicine for strengthening the immune system that is now backed by >scientific evidence. >* Lomatium (Lomatium dissectum) - this herb garnered attention during the >Spanish influenza in 1917, after it was discovered that Native Americans >were recovering from this flu much quicker than everyone else. >* Reishi (Ganoderma lucidum) - referred to in Chinese medical texts as 'the >mushroom of immortality,' reishi is valued by modern herbalist for its >ability to promote resistance during times of stress. >* Licorice (Glycyrrhiza glabra) - a valued, time-tested herb noted in >recent scientific investigations for its anti-viral properties. > > The dosage recommendation for immune support during acute viral infections >is to take 50 drops in water or two capsules every two to three hours. For >long-term support or prevention the recommendation dosage is to take 50 >drops or one two capsules two times a day or as directed by your health >practitioner. > >Addressing the echinacea controversy > A recent clinical study published in the New England Journal of Medicine >found that an extract of the root of Echinacea angustifolia was not >effective in preventing the common cold in subjects artificially inoculated >with the rhinovirus. However, there were several methodological problems in >this study that were not reported. First of all, the three Echinacea >preparations were manufactured for the study from a single lot of dried >root. All were made at a concentration ration of 1 kilogram of root to 5 >liters of extract (1:5 tincture), and were extracted with supercritical >CO2, 60 percent ethanol, and 20 percent ethanol respectively to yield >different percentages of alkylamides. The dosage for each of the extracts >was 1.5 mL three times daily, representing 300 mg per dose or 900 mg per >day of Echinacea angustifolia root. This dosage is nowhere near an >effective dosage required to produce a meaningful result. I like the >comment from American Herbal Product McGuffin about the >insufficient dosage " . . . it is not unlike taking one-third or less of >the dose of cough syrup and wondering why you are still coughing. The >standard dosage for dried Echinacea angustifolia root used at the onset of >a cold is well established at 3 grams per day or more and this study used >less than one gram. " > >What to look for in an Echinacea product >What determines the effectiveness of any herbal product is its ability to >deliver an effective dosage of active compounds. The specific components of >echinacea responsible for the immune enhancing effects are the >polysaccharides, alkylamides, and cichoric acid. While each of these >components is effective alone, the greatest degree of enhancement occurs >when the three active components are at a specific ratio. The benefits of >such a preparation have been clinically verified. For example, recently >published studies with a commercially available echinacea product >(Echinamide) containing standardized levels of alkamides, cichoric acid, >and polysaccharides prepared from freshly harvested Echinacea purpurea >plants showed just how impressive results can be when a high quality >product is used. In one double-blind study, Echinamide or a placebo was >given to 282 subjects aged 18-65 years with a history of two or more colds >in the previous year. Subjects were instructed to start the echinacea or >placebo at the onset of the first symptom related to a cold, consuming 10 >doses the first day and four doses per day on subsequent days for 7 days. >The total daily symptom scores were found to be 23ú1% lower in the >echinacea group than in placebo. The researcher concluded that early >intervention with Echinamide results in reduced symptom severity in >subjects with upper respiratory tract infection. Some people cleared their >cold symptoms up to three times faster than the placebo group. > >Stopping a Cold - Cold >The common cold is caused by a variety of viruses that infect the oral and >nasal passages and the sinuses. The symptoms of a cold are well known: >fever, headaches, nasal congestion, sore throat, a general " blah " feeling >(more technically known as malaise). > If you are an adult and you get more than one or two colds a year, or if >your cold lasts more than four or five days, you probably have a weakened >immune system. Kids have a tendency to get more colds because of increased >exposure to cold viruses, but any more than 3 or 4 per year are excessive. > As is true of all health concerns, prevention is the smartest strategy. >By boosting your immunity, you'll have a better chance of keeping colds >from developing in the first place. > When you do get a cold, follow these recommendations. >Be sure to: >* Rest >* Drink plenty of liquids (water, diluted vegetable juices, soups, or herb >teas). Try to drink eight ounces of water every hour. >* Avoid sugar (including natural sugars such as honey, orange juice, and >fructose), because sugar depresses the immune system. >* Eat a healthy balanced diet. >And take: >* High potency multivitamin-multimineral supplement >* Vitamin C: 500 mg every hour that you are awake with a glass of water. >If excessive gas or diarrhea is produced reduce dosage to 500 mg every two >hours. >* Anti-V (from Natural Factors) 50 drops in water or two capsules every two >to three hours. > >Final Comments > I think the advice given in this article is especially relevant given the >fact. What we definitely know is that the H5N1 virus is resistant to >amantadine and rimantadine, two antiviral medications commonly used for >influenza. Two other antiviral medications, oseltamavir and zanamavir, may >be effective, but we simply do not know. The bottom line is that it is >important to do everything you can to strengthen your immune system. Given >the potential severity and life-threatening nature of the H5N1 virus, it is >clearly important to seek proper medical attention if you begin to >experience any flu like symptoms (fever, malaise, joint pain, running nose, >sore throat, etc.) appear this year. > >Key References: > >Bernstein J, Alpert S, Nauss K, Suskind R. Depression of lymphocyte >transformation following oral glucose ingestion. Am J Clin Nutr 1977; 30: >613 > >Block KI, Mead MN. Immune system effects of echinacea, ginseng, and >astragalus: a review. Integr Cancer Ther. 2003 Sep;2(3):247-67 > >Chandra RK. Impact of nutritional status and nutrient supplements on immune >responses and incidence of infection in older individuals. Ageing Res Rev. >2004;3(1):91-104. > >Chang HM, But PPH eds. Pharmacology and applications of Chinese Materia >Medica. Singapore: World Scientific. 1987: p 1041-1046 > >Goel V, Lovlin R, Barton R, et al. 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An evaluation of >Echinacea angustifolia preparations in experimental rhinovirus infections. >N Engl J Med 2005;353:341-348. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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