Guest guest Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 I seem to recall your other post said you were going to TCI on the 21st. Put this on your list of questions for them. I sounds like you already know a few things that cause trouble like bending over to pick something up. Until you talk to TCI, I would include no bouncing (trampoline or horse) or exertion like running. You can still have fun with your son and stay comfortable, with some adjustments. Pre-decompression I used to get sick if I exercised. No one believed me and told me to push through, exercise harder. But, after a run or workout, I would be sick, with nauseau and headache. Dizzy which would leave me disoriented, like having to touch a wall to walk without stumbling. Once I talked to a Chiari specialist and got a well analyzed diagnosis, I found out why exercise bothered me. The neurosurgeon did not miss a beat when I asked about it. He said that my CSF flow was blocked and any exertion that increased my blood flow, also increased CSF flow. The example he told me was like a clogged sink that very, very, very slowly drains, one drop at a time. My CSF was the same way. With exertion, my CSF would back up, then it would take days and days to normalize, like one drop at a time. I did not know this until I got a well analyzed diagnosis from a Chiari specialist, from TCI in NY. I had been to Hopkins and to NIH. I almost qualified for the surgery at NIH but they required also having a syrinx, which I did not have. My extra damage was caused by repeated bouncing of my head. I had erroneously been going to chiropractors since I was a child. I even remember the first chiropractor telling my mother my head was jammed down onto the neck, or something like that. He never should have adjusted me, but he did, over and over and over. (But that is a whole 'nother story.) I used to dance a lot. But I was always sick for 2 or 3 days after. Same thing. CSF backed up then took days to normalize. I am 10 years post-decompression. They were not able to fix everything (between chiropractic and being miss-diagnosed over 30 years, there was damage) but the neurosurgeons fixed enough that my life is more than 80% improved. I don't miss the dancing because I really love having day after day that is pain free, clear headed and active. I am walking, talking and working. I take care of my Chiari leftovers as well as other body/aging stuff. I know my limits and I know my strengths. I can exercise now but I have to pay attention. If I see signs that that I might be doing too much, I back off before it causes trouble. My friends and family know my limits and my strengths, and we all adjusted. You will get there too. Hanna To: From: ballanml008@... Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 10:50:03 +0000 Subject: some additional questions for you I was wondering if any of you had any advice on which types of activities to avoid. I said earlier I have a 4 year old that is EXTREMELY active, and it stinks that I can't do (or i should say when I do certain things with him) I feel worse and it's worse for days after I run with him, lighly bounce on the trampoline with him, do anything that requires me to bend over. I hate that I don't have the energy or the tolerance for the pain to do these things with him. Can you guys give me advice on what I should or shouldn't do that you have experienced in your journey with Chiari? How about horseback riding? I love riding but Im scared of the consequences. Any advice would be helpful. Thanks again, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Yikes, when I sent the previous email, all my formatting and paragraph returns went away. I know long blocks of text are hard to read. Here is it again, hopefully the pargraph returns will hold. I seem to recall your other post said you were going to TCI on the 21st. Put this on your list of questions for them. I sounds like you already know a few things that cause trouble like bending over to pick something up. Until you talk to TCI, I would include no bouncing (trampoline or horse) or exertion like running. You can still have fun with your son and stay comfortable, with some adjustments. Pre-decompression I used to get sick if I exercised. No one believed me and told me to push through, exercise harder. But, after a run or workout, I would be sick, with nauseau and headache. Dizzy which would leave me disoriented, like having to touch a wall to walk without stumbling. Once I talked to a Chiari specialist and got a well analyzed diagnosis, I found out why exercise bothered me. The neurosurgeon did not miss a beat when I asked about it. He said that my CSF flow was blocked and any exertion that increased my blood flow, also increased CSF flow. The example he told me was like a clogged sink that very, very, very slowly drains, one drop at a time. My CSF was the same way. With exertion, my CSF would back up, then it would take days and days to normalize, like one drop at a time. I did not know this until I got a well analyzed diagnosis from a Chiari specialist, from TCI in NY. I had been to Hopkins and to NIH. I almost qualified for the surgery at NIH but they required also having a syrinx, which I did not have. My extra damage was caused by repeated bouncing of my head. I had erroneously been going to chiropractors since I was a child. I even remember the first chiropractor telling my mother my head was jammed down onto the neck, or something like that. He never should have adjusted me, but he did, over and over and over. (But that is a whole 'nother story.) I used to dance a lot. But I was always sick for 2 or 3 days after. Same thing. CSF backed up then took days to normalize. I am 10 years post-decompression. They were not able to fix everything (between chiropractic and being miss-diagnosed over 30 years, there was damage) but the neurosurgeons fixed enough that my life is more than 80% improved. I don't miss the dancing because I really love having day after day that is pain free, clear headed and active. I am walking, talking and working. I take care of my Chiari leftovers as well as other body/aging stuff. I know my limits and I know my strengths. I can exercise now but I have to pay attention. If I see signs that that I might be doing too much, I back off before it causes trouble. My friends and family know my limits and my strengths, and we all adjusted. You will get there too. Hanna To: chiariconnectioninternational From: hannatet@... Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 09:35:20 -0400 Subject: RE: some additional questions for you I seem to recall your other post said you were going to TCI on the 21st. Put this on your list of questions for them. I sounds like you already know a few things that cause trouble like bending over to pick something up. Until you talk to TCI, I would include no bouncing (trampoline or horse) or exertion like running. You can still have fun with your son and stay comfortable, with some adjustments. Pre-decompression I used to get sick if I exercised. No one believed me and told me to push through, exercise harder. But, after a run or workout, I would be sick, with nauseau and headache. Dizzy which would leave me disoriented, like having to touch a wall to walk without stumbling. Once I talked to a Chiari specialist and got a well analyzed diagnosis, I found out why exercise bothered me. The neurosurgeon did not miss a beat when I asked about it. He said that my CSF flow was blocked and any exertion that increased my blood flow, also increased CSF flow. The example he told me was like a clogged sink that very, very, very slowly drains, one drop at a time. My CSF was the same way. With exertion, my CSF would back up, then it would take days and days to normalize, like one drop at a time. I did not know this until I got a well analyzed diagnosis from a Chiari specialist, from TCI in NY. I had been to Hopkins and to NIH. I almost qualified for the surgery at NIH but they required also having a syrinx, which I did not have. My extra damage was caused by repeated bouncing of my head. I had erroneously been going to chiropractors since I was a child. I even remember the first chiropractor telling my mother my head was jammed down onto the neck, or something like that. He never should have adjusted me, but he did, over and over and over. (But that is a whole 'nother story.) I used to dance a lot. But I was always sick for 2 or 3 days after. Same thing. CSF backed up then took days to normalize. I am 10 years post-decompression. They were not able to fix everything (between chiropractic and being miss-diagnosed over 30 years, there was damage) but the neurosurgeons fixed enough that my life is more than 80% improved. I don't miss the dancing because I really love having day after day that is pain free, clear headed and active. I am walking, talking and working. I take care of my Chiari leftovers as well as other body/aging stuff. I know my limits and I know my strengths. I can exercise now but I have to pay attention. If I see signs that that I might be doing too much, I back off before it causes trouble. My friends and family know my limits and my strengths, and we all adjusted. You will get there too. Hanna To: From: ballanml008@... Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 10:50:03 +0000 Subject: some additional questions for you I was wondering if any of you had any advice on which types of activities to avoid. I said earlier I have a 4 year old that is EXTREMELY active, and it stinks that I can't do (or i should say when I do certain things with him) I feel worse and it's worse for days after I run with him, lighly bounce on the trampoline with him, do anything that requires me to bend over. I hate that I don't have the energy or the tolerance for the pain to do these things with him. Can you guys give me advice on what I should or shouldn't do that you have experienced in your journey with Chiari? How about horseback riding? I love riding but Im scared of the consequences. Any advice would be helpful. Thanks again, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Hanna,hi.. That was a great post with a lot of good information which should be helpful to many list members! Sally R... Decompression '91, Hydro, VP shunt, 2 shunt revisions, Feeling pretty good on NO meds in Bethlehem,Pa some additional questions for you > > > > I was wondering if any of you had any advice on which types of activities > to avoid. I said earlier I have a 4 year old that is EXTREMELY active, and > it stinks that I can't do (or i should say when I do certain things with > him) I feel worse and it's worse for days after I run with him, lighly > bounce on the trampoline with him, do anything that requires me to bend > over. I hate that I don't have the energy or the tolerance for the pain to > do these things with him. Can you guys give me advice on what I should or > shouldn't do that you have experienced in your journey with Chiari? How > about horseback riding? I love riding but Im scared of the consequences. > Any advice would be helpful. Thanks again, > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 I know before I started to get signs of my Chiari malformation I was running , at the gym every other day and working normally ( I work in a child care centre with 2-9mths olds ) being able to bend over and push triple strollers. Ever since I have had symptoms and had an MRI 9 weeks ago that showed the malformation I can no longer run, excersise at the gym , bending up and down along with not being able to push strollers also having a hard time carrying the heavier children. I have had to adapt to this and I am seeing a neurosergeon on the 28th of this month. I am hoping to get some more answers and also to know what I can do about work. As I am feeling if things stay the same I wont be able to keep working the the job I love. -- > ** > > > Hanna,hi.. > That was a great post with a lot of good information which should be > helpful > to many list members! > > Sally R... Decompression '91, Hydro, VP shunt, 2 shunt revisions, Feeling > pretty good on NO meds in Bethlehem,Pa > > > some additional questions for > you > > > > > > > > I was wondering if any of you had any advice on which types of > activities > > to avoid. I said earlier I have a 4 year old that is EXTREMELY active, > and > > it stinks that I can't do (or i should say when I do certain things with > > him) I feel worse and it's worse for days after I run with him, lighly > > bounce on the trampoline with him, do anything that requires me to bend > > over. I hate that I don't have the energy or the tolerance for the pain > to > > do these things with him. Can you guys give me advice on what I should > or > > shouldn't do that you have experienced in your journey with Chiari? How > > about horseback riding? I love riding but Im scared of the consequences. > > Any advice would be helpful. Thanks again, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 , I restrict activities that cause pressure or stress to my neck, head. These include things like boating and bowling that I used to love. Just moving clothes hangars is a problem for me. One of my neuro specilaist told me if it takes more then 2 days to recover it is something you should not do. Basically it is learning to listen to your body.  Easy for me to say, I don't have a active 4 year old. I do have active grandchildren who want to play soccer etc and don't understand why I cannot. I used to try but the recovery was too much, even if I just stood and blocked the balls.  It is a learning process and what stress's some of us does not stress the next person. Try not to do activities that give you a headache at the base of your skull or trigger pain in other areas. Pain is best managed early, before it becomes chronic.  Peace & COmfort be with you  Peggy ________________________________ To: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:50 AM Subject: some additional questions for you  I was wondering if any of you had any advice on which types of activities to avoid. I said earlier I have a 4 year old that is EXTREMELY active, and it stinks that I can't do (or i should say when I do certain things with him) I feel worse and it's worse for days after I run with him, lighly bounce on the trampoline with him, do anything that requires me to bend over. I hate that I don't have the energy or the tolerance for the pain to do these things with him. Can you guys give me advice on what I should or shouldn't do that you have experienced in your journey with Chiari? How about horseback riding? I love riding but Im scared of the consequences. Any advice would be helpful. Thanks again, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 , Horseback riding, trampolines and roller coasters are on the do not do list.  Running makes my symptoms really bad.  The best thing to do is a keep a journal of activities and pain & Symptoms and you will figure out what you can do in moderation.  You said driving makes you feel worse, it may not be the driving but your vehicle. I can drive my car just fine but my husband's car gives me a raging headache. There is something with the postion of the seats. Also if he acccidently leaves the lumbar support activated in my car I will get a horrible headache.    ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 I know the feeling for sure! My surgeon's advice is to do whatever you're body allows you to do. Following that has worked pretty well for me. You learn pretty quickly what you can and cannot tolerate. I have not ridden since the dx but I can't imagine trying it as just walking sometimes is too much bouncing for me. Just try to go with the flow. It can be very difficult holding back on things you want to do but it does get easier as time goes by. At least for me, it did. You come to terms with it all after a while. Just stay as active as possible but don't push yourself too far. Hope that helps a little! Cortney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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