Subject: Re: Thought provoking info on P!

[Guest guest]

Hi gals,

my body could also never tolerate P, even the smallest amounts into vagina

would give me itching, hives, acne, apparently it always went " the wrong

way " , i.e. ending up as DHT. I was only taking it to keep the uterine lining

from further poliferating, although mine was " only " 10mm, and I read in

studies that many menopausal healthy women have between 8 up to 14 mm

thickness. So I decided to experiment with Saw Palmetto (which keeps the

testosterone from going the " andro.. " way. After about 1 week of taking

180-360mgs=1-2 gels/day, all itching and acne went away. It seems that when

you give - my - body testosterone from the SP, the body will use it " the

right way " . I also have given up the E2 drops (about which I had a suspicion

of over-sensitivity as well for quite a while), and am taking 500-1000mg

=1-2 Maca caps/day instead. It seems to help me out,

but my body changing about every few months with what it seems to need,

don't know how long that will work...

Just sharing. Good luck you ladies!

Charlotte

both of these herbals usually in the morning to jumps start me.

Re: Thought provoking info on P!

>>

>> I have often thought that the progesterone we take is not quite what

>> our own body makes

>> (bioidentical) and the high amounts Dr's like to see on blood tests

>> are not quite accurate.

>> I feel that for me I will only take P in a small amount so I do not

>> get a uterine lining

>> buildup. Last month I took just one dose of the crinone gel and 2 days

>> later could barely

>> walk I had such severe hip pain (just like when I was pregnant). It

>> seems when I take it

>> vaginally all my bones hurt me. Weird. I really hate P.

>> Karin

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[Guest guest]

Hi Charlotte,

The P for me also goes down the wrong route (acne hair loss, bone pain) and I

recently

took a little of my husbands Test cream (pretty low dose) and did not get the

symptoms I

get with P. I just thought that maybe T will go down the right road but P for me

does not.

The only reason I tried it was because on my last blood test Total T was 24

which is on the

low side for me.

Karin

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> Hi gals,

> my body could also never tolerate P, even the smallest amounts into vagina

> would give me itching, hives, acne, apparently it always went " the wrong

> way " , i.e. ending up as DHT. I was only taking it to keep the uterine lining

> from further poliferating, although mine was " only " 10mm, and I read in

> studies that many menopausal healthy women have between 8 up to 14 mm

> thickness. So I decided to experiment with Saw Palmetto (which keeps the

> testosterone from going the " andro.. " way. After about 1 week of taking

> 180-360mgs=1-2 gels/day, all itching and acne went away. It seems that when

> you give - my - body testosterone from the SP, the body will use it " the

> right way " . I also have given up the E2 drops (about which I had a suspicion

> of over-sensitivity as well for quite a while), and am taking 500-1000mg

> =1-2 Maca caps/day instead. It seems to help me out,

> but my body changing about every few months with what it seems to need,

> don't know how long that will work...

>

> Just sharing. Good luck you ladies!

> Charlotte

>

> both of these herbals usually in the morning to jumps start me.

> Re: Thought provoking info on P!

> >>

> >> I have often thought that the progesterone we take is not quite what

> >> our own body makes

> >> (bioidentical) and the high amounts Dr's like to see on blood tests

> >> are not quite accurate.

> >> I feel that for me I will only take P in a small amount so I do not

> >> get a uterine lining

> >> buildup. Last month I took just one dose of the crinone gel and 2 days

> >> later could barely

> >> walk I had such severe hip pain (just like when I was pregnant). It

> >> seems when I take it

> >> vaginally all my bones hurt me. Weird. I really hate P.

> >> Karin

> >>

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> >

> >

> >

> > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

> >

> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as

> > medical advice.**

> >

[Guest guest]

Hello Karin,

what I only recently learned about the hormone thing for men and women is

this:

The basic hormone stuff that every body - man and woman - makes is

Testosterone, period.

Men ideally use that " basic " Testosterone like it is, and make only very

little Estrogen from some of it as needed for balance. With today's life

styles, many - especially andropausal " men lack some testosterone to make up

for the overbalance of estrogen (-like effects) from gmo-foods, air, esp.

car- and other plastics. So it's good for them to supplement with some extra

T formulated for their male needs.

Women ideally make mostly Estrogen and in balance Progesterone o u t o f t

h e i r o w n basic T e s t o s t e r o n e, the rest of your (low, free?)

Testosterone is available as your reserve hormonal needs. When the female

hormone system is out of balance and the body does not make enough Estrogen/

Progesterone, either

a) because there isn't enough Testosterone available to start with, or

stress on another level. Or

c) the reason may be dietary or food absorbency problems= metabolic.

Result: the thyroid and/or adrenals/ovaries don't have enough of what they

n e e d , to make enough basic or/and other hormones 'along the way'

(digestive, 'autoimmune', insulin resistant or -sensitive etc).

(In my case it is/was iodine for the thyroid, helping the exhausted adrenals

too. In addition I take Armour and Cortef when under stress. I've been

hypo and ignorant about that all my life, as well as my doctors, since it

wasn't " obvious " on paper (tests). In order for iodine to be properly

absorbed, there has to be enough iron and magnesium as well as manganese in

the diet or through supplements. For iron, I cook a bunch of beets at least

every other week and eat a cupfull of them every day following.... )

There are many natural sources for Testosterone, but you need to get one

that doesn't go " andro.. " , and I only know of Saw Palmetto to be 'safe'

that way. It's also in most " male " T-supplements to cut out DHT production

against balding etc. Look if it's one of the main ingredients in your

husband's cream, so you could consider it. His cream may also be too

" strong " for your female needs so try minimal. But I have seen a

Testosterone cream on the i-net formulated especially for women, I guess it

was put in connection to " anti-aging " . Google it, I forgot the website.

I hope this can help you get clear about some of the issues.

Re: Thought provoking info on P!

>> >>

>> >> I have often thought that the progesterone we take is not quite what

>> >> our own body makes

>> >> (bioidentical) and the high amounts Dr's like to see on blood tests

>> >> are not quite accurate.

>> >> I feel that for me I will only take P in a small amount so I do not

>> >> get a uterine lining

>> >> buildup. Last month I took just one dose of the crinone gel and 2 days

>> >> later could barely

>> >> walk I had such severe hip pain (just like when I was pregnant). It

>> >> seems when I take it

>> >> vaginally all my bones hurt me. Weird. I really hate P.

>> >> Karin

>> >>

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

>> >

>> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended

>> > as

>> > medical advice.**

>> >