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Elaine, I am SO very sorry, you have often spoken of - I am so

sorry to hear that this has happened to Tim.

I will send strong thoughts and prayers to and her family,

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Thank you Judy, it feels good to know that someone cares.

elaine

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Elaine, I am SO very sorry, you have often spoken of - I am so

sorry to hear that this has happened to Tim.

I will send strong thoughts and prayers to and her family,

Judy

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Elaine,

When my daughter passed away five years ago, I didn't think I would make

it. Every minute was so painful, every hour, everyday. Slowly, we learn to

move on.

What is going to happen to and her family is that good meaning

friends and aquaintaces are going to go on with their lives, and ,

, and the children are going to be left to grieve. Please let us

know if she feels that everything is overwhelming and she needs support

from those who can understand.

Judy

At 11:53 PM 5/16/2000 -0500, you wrote:

>Thank you Judy, it feels good to know that someone cares.

>elaine

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Elaine,

I am so very sorry to hear about Tim. My prayers are with you and all of

your family. Please try and take care of yourself if you do decide to go

back. Tery

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Elaine,

I read you message with a heavy heart and tears flowing. What an awful shock

and loss for you and Ed, , , all the children, and all those

close to Tim. I certainly will be thinking of you all and praying that you

all can come through this somehow.

How ironic that you and Ed miraculously emerged from that terrible pileup,

and now this.

Your story of Tim's death brought back some very painful memories of my own.

A young man I was once in love with about twenty years ago was killed on his

motorcycle in a very similar way. The way I received the news was that his

sister climbed up a tree near a bedroom window of mine (I shared the room

with my two sisters) at 3 AM and was whispering to us to take the screen off

the window so she could come in. Oh, the surprise and grief!

I can honestly say that I still think of almost every time I see a

motorcycle. He was a big, strong, handsome, blond, all-American, kind, smart

guy with an easy smile who loved the freedom and excitement of his bike

despite the great danger. My parents were fearful anytime I rode with him

and, eventually, forbad me to ride with him anymore. They were gracious

enough not to ever say, " I told you so " after his death.

Elaine, don't worry about going down there. There is nothing you can do. You

can still support your family very well from here. I know it's frustrating,

but you family understands. The deep love that binds you all together will

help you deal with this horrible challenge.

Courage, Elaine. I hope peace comes to you all soon.

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From: " ELAINE " <elainer@...>

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" Dfan-ChristianEgroups (DOT) Com " <dfan-christianegroups>; " Fern Lehmann "

<FERNHLEHMANN@...>

Cc: " RA-Support " < egroups>; " FM-Prayeregroups (DOT) com "

<FM-Prayeregroups>

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 11:34 PM

Subject: [ ] URGENT

> Please pray.

>

> just called me.. 10:45 Tues night.

>

> Her step-son Tim was killed instantly a few minutes while riding

> his motorcycle. A car pulled in front of him and he swerved to

> avoid the car and hit another car.

>

> heard it on the police radio.

>

> Tim was not saved. Tim was living on 's property in a tent

> trailer because he smoked and the girls and Mel are so allergic to

> smoke and so Tim couldn't be in the house for long

>

> won't even allow the chaplain to pray with him. He wants

> no one from the Church to come. is alone.

>

> 's brother died about 6 months ago from cancer

> 's mother died from congestive heart failure a few months ago.

>

> I am worried about him.. Tim spent a lot of time at 's sister,

> Donna's...

> who was the primary caretaker for MawMaw (Phil's mother), and lives next

> door

> to PawPaw, who she cooks for, etc.

>

> Tim's sister, was just married last month..

>

> I so much want to go down and be with , and the kids, but

> I don't think I can physically or emotionally handle it.. besides, is it

> right to leave my husband up here in Chicago and go down there? We were

> down there two weeks ago for 5 days.. I came home with a sinus infection

> which is what happens every time I go there and am with children and don't

> get the amount of rest that I guess my body requires. Being steroid

> dependent

> as well as on methotrexate for RA.. really does a job on my system. BUT,

> I am thankful that I can function with the medications.. would probably be

> " bedridden " like I've been in the past, without them.

>

> I just had to share with someone. Please pray for & the family in

> Mobile, my parents and sister (who don't even know yet), my son & his

> family..

> who are going through the last 6 weeks school as he graduates DeVrie on

June

> 17,

> and the kids are out of school in 2 more weeks and Devon (7) is having his

> adenoids out by the end of the month.

>

> Pray for Ed and me..

>

> , my daughter, has fibromyalgia..and 3 children under 6. If you

> would

> like to send her some kind of message, her e-mail is:

mayocountry@...

>

> I can't see to type anymore.. I hope this makes sense..

> elaine

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Elaine,

I am so so sorry. I will pray for you and your family.If there is anything i

can do i would love to since i am here in mobile myself.

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Oh, Elaine, I am so sorry for this terrible loss you and your family

are suffering. It is especially hard to lose someone young in so

senseless a way. My prayers are with you and the family, may God bring

you all comfort and peace.

Love, Anne

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Oh Elaine, I am so sorry, I will be praying for your family. I don't

even know anything else to say except that I will pray. -Candy

> Please pray.

>

> just called me.. 10:45 Tues night.

>

> Her step-son Tim was killed instantly a few minutes while riding

> his motorcycle. A car pulled in front of him and he swerved to

> avoid the car and hit another car.

>

> heard it on the police radio.

>

> Tim was not saved. Tim was living on 's property in a tent

> trailer because he smoked and the girls and Mel are so allergic to

> smoke and so Tim couldn't be in the house for long

>

> won't even allow the chaplain to pray with him. He wants

> no one from the Church to come. is alone.

>

> 's brother died about 6 months ago from cancer

> 's mother died from congestive heart failure a few months

ago.

>

> I am worried about him.. Tim spent a lot of time at 's

sister,

> Donna's...

> who was the primary caretaker for MawMaw (Phil's mother), and lives

next

> door

> to PawPaw, who she cooks for, etc.

>

> Tim's sister, was just married last month..

>

> I so much want to go down and be with , and the

kids, but

> I don't think I can physically or emotionally handle it.. besides,

is it

> right to leave my husband up here in Chicago and go down there? We

were

> down there two weeks ago for 5 days.. I came home with a sinus

infection

> which is what happens every time I go there and am with children

and don't

> get the amount of rest that I guess my body requires. Being steroid

> dependent

> as well as on methotrexate for RA.. really does a job on my

system. BUT,

> I am thankful that I can function with the medications.. would

probably be

> " bedridden " like I've been in the past, without them.

>

> I just had to share with someone. Please pray for & the

family in

> Mobile, my parents and sister (who don't even know yet), my son &

his

> family..

> who are going through the last 6 weeks school as he graduates

DeVrie on June

> 17,

> and the kids are out of school in 2 more weeks and Devon (7) is

having his

> adenoids out by the end of the month.

>

> Pray for Ed and me..

>

> , my daughter, has fibromyalgia..and 3 children under 6. If

you

> would

> like to send her some kind of message, her e-mail is:

mayocountry@z...

>

> I can't see to type anymore.. I hope this makes sense..

> elaine

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Elaine.......please know that we will be praying for you and your family

during this terrible time of grief. We have no wise words to offer you

only our prayers and *hugs*.

~ Esther & Carol ~

----- Original Message -----

From: ELAINE <elainer@...>

Fibro-ThriveEgroups (DOT) Com <fibro-thriveegroups>;

Dfan-ChristianEgroups (DOT) Com <dfan-christianegroups>; Fern Lehmann

<FERNHLEHMANN@...>

Cc: RA-Support < egroups>; FM-Prayeregroups (DOT) com

<FM-Prayeregroups>

Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 12:34 AM

Subject: [ ] URGENT

> Please pray.

>

> just called me.. 10:45 Tues night.

>

> Her step-son Tim was killed instantly a few minutes while riding

> his motorcycle. A car pulled in front of him and he swerved to

> avoid the car and hit another car.

>

> heard it on the police radio.

>

> Tim was not saved. Tim was living on 's property in a tent

> trailer because he smoked and the girls and Mel are so allergic to

> smoke and so Tim couldn't be in the house for long

>

> won't even allow the chaplain to pray with him. He wants

> no one from the Church to come. is alone.

>

> 's brother died about 6 months ago from cancer

> 's mother died from congestive heart failure a few months ago.

>

> I am worried about him.. Tim spent a lot of time at 's sister,

> Donna's...

> who was the primary caretaker for MawMaw (Phil's mother), and lives next

> door

> to PawPaw, who she cooks for, etc.

>

> Tim's sister, was just married last month..

>

> I so much want to go down and be with , and the kids, but

> I don't think I can physically or emotionally handle it.. besides, is it

> right to leave my husband up here in Chicago and go down there? We were

> down there two weeks ago for 5 days.. I came home with a sinus infection

> which is what happens every time I go there and am with children and don't

> get the amount of rest that I guess my body requires. Being steroid

> dependent

> as well as on methotrexate for RA.. really does a job on my system. BUT,

> I am thankful that I can function with the medications.. would probably be

> " bedridden " like I've been in the past, without them.

>

> I just had to share with someone. Please pray for & the family in

> Mobile, my parents and sister (who don't even know yet), my son & his

> family..

> who are going through the last 6 weeks school as he graduates DeVrie on

June

> 17,

> and the kids are out of school in 2 more weeks and Devon (7) is having his

> adenoids out by the end of the month.

>

> Pray for Ed and me..

>

> , my daughter, has fibromyalgia..and 3 children under 6. If you

> would

> like to send her some kind of message, her e-mail is:

mayocountry@...

>

> I can't see to type anymore.. I hope this makes sense..

> elaine

>

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Elaine,

I'm so very sorry to hear of this terrible tragedy. Tim was so

young. I wish I could offer you some words of comfort, but I find I

have none, only a deep sense of loss for you and remembering a tragic

loss of my own. My brother's best friend, who was like a brother to

me, died from leukemia when he was just 25 years old after a 7 year

battle. I never thought he would die from it, I always believed he

would get better, so when the call came my shock was great. It

seemed so unbelievable, like it was happening in a bad dream. I

still miss him.

While my words are few, my feelings and understanding are in

abundance - and I will keep you and your family in my thoughts and

prayers during this difficult time.

With lots of hugs,

Susie

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Elaine,

I am so sorry for the tragic loss of Tim. You and your family are in my

prayers. I can only imagine the grief that is feeling right now

with losing his brother, mother and now son all in such a short time. I had

to pick up a book that I keep close to me, " Why Bad Things Happen to Good

People " .

It was given to me after I lost my husband to cancer. I still have no

answers as to why these things happen. We have to find comfort in believing

that it is part of God's plan. Prayer is all we really have when something

like this happens.

a

> Please pray.

>

> just called me.. 10:45 Tues night.

>

> Her step-son Tim was killed instantly a few minutes while riding

> his motorcycle. A car pulled in front of him and he swerved to

> avoid the car and hit another car.

>

> heard it on the police radio.

>

> Tim was not saved. Tim was living on 's property in a tent

> trailer because he smoked and the girls and Mel are so allergic to

> smoke and so Tim couldn't be in the house for long

>

> won't even allow the chaplain to pray with him. He wants

> no one from the Church to come. is alone.

>

> 's brother died about 6 months ago from cancer

> 's mother died from congestive heart failure a few months ago.

>

> I am worried about him.. Tim spent a lot of time at 's sister,

> Donna's...

> who was the primary caretaker for MawMaw (Phil's mother), and lives next

> door

> to PawPaw, who she cooks for, etc.

>

> Tim's sister, was just married last month..

>

> I so much want to go down and be with , and the kids, but

> I don't think I can physically or emotionally handle it.. besides, is it

> right to leave my husband up here in Chicago and go down there? We were

> down there two weeks ago for 5 days.. I came home with a sinus infection

> which is what happens every time I go there and am with children and don't

> get the amount of rest that I guess my body requires. Being steroid

> dependent

> as well as on methotrexate for RA.. really does a job on my system. BUT,

> I am thankful that I can function with the medications.. would probably be

> " bedridden " like I've been in the past, without them.

>

> I just had to share with someone. Please pray for & the family in

> Mobile, my parents and sister (who don't even know yet), my son & his

> family..

> who are going through the last 6 weeks school as he graduates DeVrie on

June

> 17,

> and the kids are out of school in 2 more weeks and Devon (7) is having his

> adenoids out by the end of the month.

>

> Pray for Ed and me..

>

> , my daughter, has fibromyalgia..and 3 children under 6. If you

> would

> like to send her some kind of message, her e-mail is:

mayocountry@...

>

> I can't see to type anymore.. I hope this makes sense..

> elaine

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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> equity loan. Needmoney.com, a division of New Century Mortgage

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> URL to change your membership options:

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Elaine,

I am so sorry for your terrible loss!!! I am sending my love and prayers to you

and your

family!!! Please take care of yourself!!!

With much love,

Trish

--- ELAINE <elainer@...> wrote:

> Please pray.

>

> just called me.. 10:45 Tues night.

>

> Her step-son Tim was killed instantly a few minutes while riding

> his motorcycle. A car pulled in front of him and he swerved to

> avoid the car and hit another car.

>

> heard it on the police radio.

>

> Tim was not saved. Tim was living on 's property in a tent

> trailer because he smoked and the girls and Mel are so allergic to

> smoke and so Tim couldn't be in the house for long

>

> won't even allow the chaplain to pray with him. He wants

> no one from the Church to come. is alone.

>

> 's brother died about 6 months ago from cancer

> 's mother died from congestive heart failure a few months ago.

>

> I am worried about him.. Tim spent a lot of time at 's sister,

> Donna's...

> who was the primary caretaker for MawMaw (Phil's mother), and lives next

> door

> to PawPaw, who she cooks for, etc.

>

> Tim's sister, was just married last month..

>

> I so much want to go down and be with , and the kids, but

> I don't think I can physically or emotionally handle it.. besides, is it

> right to leave my husband up here in Chicago and go down there? We were

> down there two weeks ago for 5 days.. I came home with a sinus infection

> which is what happens every time I go there and am with children and don't

> get the amount of rest that I guess my body requires. Being steroid

> dependent

> as well as on methotrexate for RA.. really does a job on my system. BUT,

> I am thankful that I can function with the medications.. would probably be

> " bedridden " like I've been in the past, without them.

>

> I just had to share with someone. Please pray for & the family in

> Mobile, my parents and sister (who don't even know yet), my son & his

> family..

> who are going through the last 6 weeks school as he graduates DeVrie on June

> 17,

> and the kids are out of school in 2 more weeks and Devon (7) is having his

> adenoids out by the end of the month.

>

> Pray for Ed and me..

>

> , my daughter, has fibromyalgia..and 3 children under 6. If you

> would

> like to send her some kind of message, her e-mail is: mayocountry@...

>

> I can't see to type anymore.. I hope this makes sense..

> elaine

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Need extra cash? Get the cash you need fast with a refinance or home

> equity loan. Needmoney.com, a division of New Century Mortgage

> Corporation is an approved Equal Housing Lender.

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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> URL to change your membership options: /group/

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> Our chat room: www.delphi.com/RheumatoidArth1/start

>

>

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It seems the puppy that I was sitting for MUST or else sometime without my

knowledge something was applied to the lawn at my apt complex.

As I had no trouble the first couple of days, then saturday I took her

outside and started feeling " weird " . I really DOUBT it was the heat.

Wasn't in it for too long.

I took her upstairs (had to carry hershe is too small to manage stairs)

and put her in her crate. Immediately I started to feel like my hands and

feet were buring. My eyes were starting to feel like they were on fire

and even with the hepa filters going I was still getting sick.

I have NO clue as to what she or I got into. BUt it seems to abate when I

went into my bedroom. Then when I came out my lips started tingling

again.

I have given the puppy back tp her owner to find someone else to puppysit

when they go on vacation. BUt laying in my living room I get the

" symptoms " again.

SO since the puppy was in a crate, I doused the carpet with Baking soda

(why, not idea, just did it), threw white vinegar on the ceramic tile that

she had walked on and am using gloves to REDO all my laundry that was

" near " her crate. Just what I want to do another *5* loads of laundry for

NOTHING!

I am afraid to vacumn up the baking soda from where the crate is for a

simple reason. My vaumn does not use disposioble bags. It's a fabric

back taht is detachable. IF there was a herbicide or anyting like that

sprayed that I didn't know about, I am afraid the vacumn will ALWAYS have

it and when I vacum other areas of the place it will " contaminate " them.

I am PETRIFIED to leave my apt now since this incident and not to thrilled

with someone coming in, in case it is a pesticide and the wind is blowing,

or worse, they just watered and its on their shoes!

Angel

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and if, knowing, we have concluded that we are being asked to

take senseless and frightening risks, then we should no longer

accept the counsel of those who tell us that we must fill our world

with poisonous chemicals, we should look around and see what

other course is open to us. "

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Sounds like the puppy picked up something from the grass on her paws.

Putting her in the bathtub and washing it off would have been what i would

have done. sounds like you are being bombarded by pesticides and herbicides

around there. hmmmm - hope you are feeling better soon.

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My grand mother removed her gallbladder when she was 77 and she is now 85

and still living and living happily. I would say, do not to put your mother

in trouble by giving several herbal stuff which may interfere with her

underlying medical conditions. Consider herself lucky If her flush goes

succesful, otherwsie she will defintely end up in emergency and they will

remove the gallbladder. I think epsom salt should help passing the stones.

I wish her all the best.

On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Moe Ramez <expo.famico@...> wrote:

> Dear Madam/Sir,

>

>

> My mother is 70 years old and has plenty of gallstones in her gallbladder.

> The biggest one is 12mm. We have followed the natural flushing out

> instruction for 6 days drinking 6 glasses of green apple juice every day.

> Today is the 7th day and she wants to take the final step drinking Epsom

> salt and olive oil. But we are worried because one of the gallstones is

> very

> big (12mm). Isn’t it dangerous? If there is any danger, we would rather

> make

> a surgery and remove the whole gallbladder. Please advice urgently.

>

>

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> Mohammad Ramezani

>

>

>

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what makes you say " she will end up in emergency " ?  That is so wrong I do not

knopw where to start.  I have expelled many stones larger than 12mm....I think

fear mongering, however unintentional, is misleading at best...

> Dear Madam/Sir,

>

>

> My mother is 70 years old and has plenty of gallstones in her gallbladder.

> The biggest one is 12mm. We have followed the natural flushing out

> instruction for 6 days drinking 6 glasses of green apple juice every day.

> Today is the 7th day and she wants to take the final step drinking Epsom

> salt and olive oil. But we are worried because one of the gallstones is

> very

> big (12mm). Isn’t it dangerous? If there is any danger, we would rather

> make

> a surgery and remove the whole gallbladder. Please advice urgently.

>

>

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> Mohammad Ramezani

>

>

>

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Where would you go if you fail to pass the stone succesfully? A resort to

chill out or Emergency for immediate care. This is all i said. I said if

your flush goes unsuccesful then you would end up in emergency. What is

wrong about saying this? His mother is 70 yrs old therefore he must be

careful while experimenting the flushes on her. You have expelled stones

larger than water mellons does not mean that others would do the same. Keep

expelling them out otherwsie your gallbaldder get a big hole (b.coz u have

bigger stones) and all the stones will end up in your abdomen and cause

serious complications. One must have the courage to face the truth and

realities. Focus on giving advice to people who ask for it instead of

finiding mistakes in comments made by other people. In simple words, mind

your own business. Fair enough?

On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Jay Grosflam <jgrosflam@...> wrote:

>

>

> what makes you say " she will end up in emergency " ? That is so wrong I do

> not knopw where to start. I have expelled many stones larger than 12mm....I

> think fear mongering, however unintentional, is misleading at best...

>

>

>

> > Dear Madam/Sir,

> >

> >

> > My mother is 70 years old and has plenty of gallstones in her

> gallbladder.

> > The biggest one is 12mm. We have followed the natural flushing out

> > instruction for 6 days drinking 6 glasses of green apple juice every day.

> > Today is the 7th day and she wants to take the final step drinking Epsom

> > salt and olive oil. But we are worried because one of the gallstones is

> > very

> > big (12mm). Isn’t it dangerous? If there is any danger, we would rather

> > make

> > a surgery and remove the whole gallbladder. Please advice urgently.

> >

> >

> >

> > Yours sincerely,

> >

> > Mohammad Ramezani

> >

> >

> >

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I concur with this assessment and there is no need to rush to

judgement - and a 12 mm stone is not a large stone - more than likely

the AF Beta food tablets, taken when needed, you may take them daily

as prescribed on the bottle for a while but as soon as the symptoms,

pain, has subsided you can take them as needed. AF Beta with milk

thistle should do the trick. There is no need to rush into a flush if

your grandmother is apprehensive. Once the pain has subsided then you

can build up to it. AF Beta Food tablets work wonders with me as they

relieve the pain immediately and I actually have not taken any for

months so I store them in the ridge to maintain freshness. Although I

have continued to take the milk thistle and recommend that everyone

would be better off taking it from time to time as it works wonders

for the liver & GB

Good luck

FB

On May 11, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Jay Grosflam wrote:

>

>

> what makes you say " she will end up in emergency " ? That is so wrong

> I do not knopw where to start. I have expelled many stones larger

> than 12mm....I think fear mongering, however unintentional, is

> misleading at best...

>

>

>

> > Dear Madam/Sir,

> >

> >

> > My mother is 70 years old and has plenty of gallstones in her

> gallbladder.

> > The biggest one is 12mm. We have followed the natural flushing out

> > instruction for 6 days drinking 6 glasses of green apple juice

> every day.

> > Today is the 7th day and she wants to take the final step drinking

> Epsom

> > salt and olive oil. But we are worried because one of the

> gallstones is

> > very

> > big (12mm). Isn’t it dangerous? If there is any danger, we would

> rather

> > make

> > a surgery and remove the whole gallbladder. Please advice urgently.

> >

> >

> >

> > Yours sincerely,

> >

> > Mohammad Ramezani

> >

> >

> >

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If I remember correctly the largest of Dale 's that he got out on the

first flush was in the 22-23mm range... -D

URGENT

Dear Madam/Sir,

My mother is 70 years old and has plenty of gallstones in her gallbladder.

The biggest one is 12mm. We have followed the natural flushing out

instruction for 6 days drinking 6 glasses of green apple juice every day.

Today is the 7th day and she wants to take the final step drinking Epsom

salt and olive oil. But we are worried because one of the gallstones is very

big (12mm). Isn't it dangerous? If there is any danger, we would rather make

a surgery and remove the whole gallbladder. Please advice urgently.

Yours sincerely,

Mohammad Ramezani

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I assume you meant " probably NOT the best advice " - appreciate you

pointing this out - I assume are addressing the AF beta food and milk

thistle

thanks

FB

On May 11, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Dave Shelden wrote:

>

>

> With all due respect, giving herbal stuff that interferes with the

> underlying medical conditions is probably the best advice someone

> could give... -D

> Re: URGENT

>

> My grand mother removed her gallbladder when she was 77 and she is

> now 85

> and still living and living happily. I would say, do not to put your

> mother

> in trouble by giving several herbal stuff which may interfere with her

> underlying medical conditions. Consider herself lucky If her flush

> goes

> succesful, otherwsie she will defintely end up in emergency and they

> will

> remove the gallbladder. I think epsom salt should help passing the

> stones.

> I wish her all the best.

>

> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Moe Ramez

<expo.famico@...<mailto:expo.famico@...

> >> wrote:

>

> > Dear Madam/Sir,

> >

> >

> > My mother is 70 years old and has plenty of gallstones in her

> gallbladder.

> > The biggest one is 12mm. We have followed the natural flushing out

> > instruction for 6 days drinking 6 glasses of green apple juice

> every day.

> > Today is the 7th day and she wants to take the final step drinking

> Epsom

> > salt and olive oil. But we are worried because one of the

> gallstones is

> > very

> > big (12mm). Isn't it dangerous? If there is any danger, we would

> rather

> > make

> > a surgery and remove the whole gallbladder. Please advice urgently.

> >

> >

> >

> > Yours sincerely,

> >

> > Mohammad Ramezani

> >

> >

> >

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Hi Munawar,

Here are a few excerpts from description of this forum on the home page:

" Liver cleanse - Gallbladder cleanse - Liver flush - NO surgery, Gallstones

cleanse instead of surgery. "

" Gallstone flush is the second most important thing someone can do in order to

cure " incurable " and degenerative diseases. "

" Cleansing the liver of gallstones dramatically improves digestion, which is the

basis of your whole health. "

Please remember that the purpose of this list is all about helping people learn

ways of healing their bodies naturally through internal cleansing and

detoxification, especially by doing liver flushes, which can be incredibly

effective in supporting the body's own healing wisdom and ability to repair and

regenerate itself.

So giving herbs

> to anybody without much information is not safe because herbs are natural

> does not mean that they are 100% safe.

What in the world IS 100% safe?

Clearly it's important for us to do our due diligence before putting anything

into our bodies, including herbs.

That being said, liver flushes using apple juice, epsom salt, olive oil and

citrus juice don't actually include any herbs per se. Not only that, but if the

protocol is followed correctly, liver flushes can be incredibly beneficial for

just about everyone who does them. And they have a huge track record because

literally hundreds, if not thousands of people have done them successfully.

Many of these people have done numerous flushes and have experienced profound

healing as a result.

> They do interfere with your medical condition and may create probelms.

If you want to talk about problems, do a little research on iatrogenic death

statistics. You may be shocked to learn just how many people suffer and even

die every year from iatrogenic complications - that means illness caused

specifically by physicians, hospitals, drugs, and medical procedures.

Personally my feeling is that if we're suffering from chronic illness, it's far

wiser to do our homework, learn about how the body works, follow natural

approaches that best support our body's own innate ability to heal, and rely on

enhanced nourishment and internal detoxification as the most effective pathways

to healing - than it is to trust in the corrupt, money-driven,

pharmaceutical-run medical industrial establishment to help us get well.

But that's just me.

:-)

Elan

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Most excellent !!!

continued good luck

FB

On May 11, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Dave Shelden wrote:

>

>

> I love interfering with underlying medical conditions herbally. What

> better things to interfere with than AF beta food and Milk thistle?

> I was replying to Munawar " s warning below. And again with all due

> respect. This idea that the prevailing industry has fostered and

> become to politically control, that their paradigm ($$$) is the only

> valid path both physically and legally has got my sphincter in a

> knot... Or could you guess? -D

> Re: URGENT

> >

> > My grand mother removed her gallbladder when she was 77 and she is

> > now 85

> > and still living and living happily. I would say, do not to put your

> > mother

> > in trouble by giving several herbal stuff which may interfere with

> her

> > underlying medical conditions. Consider herself lucky If her flush

> > goes

> > succesful, otherwsie she will defintely end up in emergency and they

> > will

> > remove the gallbladder. I think epsom salt should help passing the

> > stones.

> > I wish her all the best.

> >

> > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Moe Ramez

<expo.famico@...<mailto:expo.famico%40gmail.com

> ><mailto:expo.famico@...<mailto:expo.famico%40gmail.com>

> > >> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Madam/Sir,

> > >

> > >

> > > My mother is 70 years old and has plenty of gallstones in her

> > gallbladder.

> > > The biggest one is 12mm. We have followed the natural flushing out

> > > instruction for 6 days drinking 6 glasses of green apple juice

> > every day.

> > > Today is the 7th day and she wants to take the final step drinking

> > Epsom

> > > salt and olive oil. But we are worried because one of the

> > gallstones is

> > > very

> > > big (12mm). Isn't it dangerous? If there is any danger, we would

> > rather

> > > make

> > > a surgery and remove the whole gallbladder. Please advice

> urgently.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Yours sincerely,

> > >

> > > Mohammad Ramezani

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Mohammad,

> Today is the 7th day and she wants to take the final step drinking Epsom

> salt and olive oil.

If she's ready and willing to do the flush, she should go for it! She's laid

the groundwork beautifully by drinking all that apple juice for the past week,

which will have helped to soften her gallstones and prepare her body nicely for

the flush.

Now she just needs to follow the protocol by avoiding the consumption of any fat

today (or the day of the actual flush) and fasting (no food) after 2pm, and by

the morning after the flush, she should be prepare to be amazed at what passes

out of her body!

To further enhance the effects of the flush, she may also want to consider doing

an enema in during the afternoon prior to the flush that evening. She can also

apply a warm castor oil pack for an hour or so over the liver any time during

the afternoon or evening, which is another way of assisting the liver to

detoxify and can help to encourage the release of even more toxins during the

flush itself.

But we are worried because one of the gallstones is very

> big (12mm). Isn't it dangerous? If there is any danger, we would rather make

> a surgery and remove the whole gallbladder.

I've passed loads of stones of that size and larger while doing liver flushes.

There was no pain whatsoever as they passed.

Taking two doses of epsom salt the evening of the flush and two more in the

morning as per Hulda 's protocol ensures that the bile ducts and duct

valves remain relaxed, dilated and open so stones can pass through them easily

and painlessly.

If I remember correctly, just a few days ago someone on this list posted saying

they were feeling some pain from their gall bladder. They were advised to take

a dose of epsosm salt, and evidently it worked quite well, and that person's

pain was diminished.

Good luck to your mother, and please do let us know how it goes for her!

Elan

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