Guest guest Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Gere, As I was reading your reply, what sprung to my mind was a scene from the movie " Shooter " . An FBI supervisor asks why the gun shot wounded shooter (Swaggert) would buy sugar and water at a convenience store. An agent replies that it was popular during the Pelopenesian (sp) War to heal woulds. " Something to do with osmotic pressure. " . My searchalot returns numerous references. Bruce Chesley Truth is a terrible cross to bear. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered. - Paine The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacitus " The cure for cancer is in your grocery store. " On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:51:48 -0500 Gerry Simpkins writes: Great post Mark. Thanks for sharing. I read a piece once about a simple cure for open sores that will not heal. An old doctor from Mississippi had taught it after an older nurse had told him about it. She had learned of it from a doctor that had since died. They had run a public clinic and could not afford to stock the meds needed. As the story goes, ordinary honey or refined table sugar either one applied topically and bandaged over daily will make sores like that heal. I do not claim to understand why. And the sugar does not compromise anyone's blood sugar levels either for some reason. So apparently it can be used on diabetics too. Anyway, it is so cheap as to be within anyone's reach, so it is worth a try. The doc preferred to use sugar because it is not as messy as honey, but he swore that either one worked. Gerry > > Some while back I'd mentioned that I was using betadine externally. > My query had to do with maybe using DMSO along with it. > The replies were...interesting...to say the least ! > > Aside of being called 'cheap' (the actuality is 'broke' however...), > and getting a sound scolding that betadine is inferior to Lugol's and > that getting some should be an immediate thing for me. > (But right then it was simply out of my reach.) > > Then things got really amazing for me=> much to my shock and delight I > got an email telling me I'd gotten a gift...and a couple of really > super folks here offered to share some of their Lugol's with me !!! > > I used the gift to get some Lugol's as quickly as I could, and a bit > more than a month later the neatest little package arrived at my PO > here in Vermont for me - crystals and KI, all the way from Thailand; wow ! > > I'd not seen iodine crystals before this, and though they're tightly > sealed into a tiny jar, they must have gassed off somehow anyways, as > the sealed bag that jar came in is now coloured brown all around the jar. > (I bet you can tell that I am really enjoying seeing this amazing & > new-to-me stuff, right ?) > > Back to the Lugol's vs. betadine idea for a clarification now: > > I took the recommendations here very seriously and right away used the > Lugol's topically on the open, non-healing lesions which have been > that way for much too long, and noticed in about a week that the very > slow shrinkage I'd noticed had stopped, and that applying Lugol's to > the skin (for some reason ?) lacked a sort of pleasant sensation I get > when using the betadine topically; so I went back to it. > > NOW: > After some weeks applying betadine liberally after showering and > working up to drinking 5 drops of Lugol's in water daily - the really > bad, festering lesions which most worried me have all but dried, and > the really serious ones (which have plagued me for ages) have shrunk > to the smallest I've EVER seen in the decades (literally) that my body > has been trying to heal from them. > > To have whole (if still scarred) skin on parts of my lower legs rather > than the bloody/painful mass I've called 'legs' for so many years is > really quite amazing for me !!! > > So=> the betadine will not become a dust-collector around here, and > the Lugol's is great in many ways too, and above all: > > My Sincerest Thanks to the Wonderful People here who have been so > willing to share and help me to get better. > > Best Wishes for Health and Happiness, Always ! > > mark > > -- Necessity may be the mother of invention, but God is the Father of all good things. G. Simpkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 I think that I have seen something about osmotic pressure, but cannot recall if in context of this cure or not. > Gere, > > As I was reading your reply, what sprung to my mind was a scene > from the movie " Shooter " . An FBI supervisor asks why the gun > shot wounded shooter (Swaggert) would buy sugar and water at > a convenience store. An agent replies that it was popular during > the Pelopenesian (sp) War to heal woulds. " Something to do with > osmotic pressure. " . My searchalot returns numerous references. > > Bruce Chesley > Truth is a terrible cross to bear. > Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered. - Paine > The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacitus > " The cure for cancer is in your grocery store. " > > > On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:51:48 -0500 Gerry Simpkins writes: > > Great post Mark. Thanks for sharing. I read a piece once about a > simple cure for open sores that will not heal. An old doctor from > Mississippi had taught it after an older nurse had told him about it. > She had learned of it from a doctor that had since died. They had run a > public clinic and could not afford to stock the meds needed. As the > story goes, ordinary honey or refined table sugar either one applied > topically and bandaged over daily will make sores like that heal. I do > not claim to understand why. And the sugar does not compromise anyone's > blood sugar levels either for some reason. So apparently it can be used > on diabetics too. Anyway, it is so cheap as to be within anyone's > reach, so it is worth a try. The doc preferred to use sugar because it > is not as messy as honey, but he swore that either one worked. > > Gerry > > >> Some while back I'd mentioned that I was using betadine externally. >> My query had to do with maybe using DMSO along with it. >> The replies were...interesting...to say the least ! >> >> Aside of being called 'cheap' (the actuality is 'broke' however...), >> and getting a sound scolding that betadine is inferior to Lugol's and >> that getting some should be an immediate thing for me. >> (But right then it was simply out of my reach.) >> >> Then things got really amazing for me=> much to my shock and delight I >> got an email telling me I'd gotten a gift...and a couple of really >> super folks here offered to share some of their Lugol's with me !!! >> >> I used the gift to get some Lugol's as quickly as I could, and a bit >> more than a month later the neatest little package arrived at my PO >> here in Vermont for me - crystals and KI, all the way from Thailand; > wow ! >> I'd not seen iodine crystals before this, and though they're tightly >> sealed into a tiny jar, they must have gassed off somehow anyways, as >> the sealed bag that jar came in is now coloured brown all around the > jar. >> (I bet you can tell that I am really enjoying seeing this amazing & >> new-to-me stuff, right ?) >> >> Back to the Lugol's vs. betadine idea for a clarification now: >> >> I took the recommendations here very seriously and right away used the >> Lugol's topically on the open, non-healing lesions which have been >> that way for much too long, and noticed in about a week that the very >> slow shrinkage I'd noticed had stopped, and that applying Lugol's to >> the skin (for some reason ?) lacked a sort of pleasant sensation I get >> when using the betadine topically; so I went back to it. >> >> NOW: >> After some weeks applying betadine liberally after showering and >> working up to drinking 5 drops of Lugol's in water daily - the really >> bad, festering lesions which most worried me have all but dried, and >> the really serious ones (which have plagued me for ages) have shrunk >> to the smallest I've EVER seen in the decades (literally) that my body >> has been trying to heal from them. >> >> To have whole (if still scarred) skin on parts of my lower legs rather >> than the bloody/painful mass I've called 'legs' for so many years is >> really quite amazing for me !!! >> >> So=> the betadine will not become a dust-collector around here, and >> the Lugol's is great in many ways too, and above all: >> >> My Sincerest Thanks to the Wonderful People here who have been so >> willing to share and help me to get better. >> >> Best Wishes for Health and Happiness, Always ! >> >> mark >> >> -- Necessity may be the mother of invention, but God is the Father of all good things. G. Simpkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Hi Gerry and thanks. Living in rural areas and having kept livestock myself in the past I've heard many uplifting tellings of grievously injured livestock who could not even be stitched back together, some with horrific infections or infestations already...and how the vet advised either euthanasia - or packing the wounds daily with honey. Apparently for those who chose to hang on and be persistent the honey promoted amazing healing in such desperate situations - full mobility restored, and so forth. I may yet resort to that method myself. Thus far my best results have come from debridement under hot water (in the shower) followed by generous amounts of betadine. It is quite ouchy, but does cause the lesions to shrink right away. Combined with all else I am doing, well - my take on it is that the invading organisms are (figuratively speaking...) already dead; they just haven't figured it out yet !!! Regardless of my silliness - it's either them or me, and I'm fairly determined. Best Wishes to All ! mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Everything old becomes new again..lol. the ancient Romans and Egyptians used honey for wound healing. It is a natural antibacterial. This seems to be a good site to give an overview of honey usage. http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/november/Molan/honey-as-topical-agent.html " Honey produced as a food often is not well filtered, and may contain various particles in it. Also, although honey does not allow vegetative bacteria to survive, it does contain viable spores, including clostridia. Honey that has been treated by gamma-irradiation is available commercially; this processing kills clostridial spores [86]<http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/november/Molan/honey-as-topical-agent.h\ tml#ref86>, [87]<http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/november/Molan/honey-as-topical-agent.h\ tml#ref87>without loss of any of the antibacterial activity [86]<http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/november/Molan/honey-as-topical-agent.h\ tml#ref86>. Various brands of honey with standardised antibacterial activity, processed as a medical product and sterilised by gamma-irradiation are available commercially. New Zealand manuka (Leptospermum scoparium) honey is sold with the activity of its phytochemical antibacterial component rated on a 'UMF' scale, with the 'UMF' number being the equivalent concentration of phenol with the same antibacterial activity against Staphylococcus aureus (i.e. UMF 15 = 15% phenol). Australian Leptospermum honey, Medihoney, is a listed product with the Therapeutic Goods Administration in Australia and has a standardised level of this antibacterial component. In addition, practical guides on the clinical use of honey in infected wounds are now available [69]<http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/november/Molan/honey-as-topical-agent.h\ tml#ref69>, [88]<http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/november/Molan/honey-as-topical-agent.h\ tml#ref88>. The main considerations are summarised in Box 1.<http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/november/Molan/honey-as-topical-agent.htm\ l#box1> " I am sure the Egyptians and Romans didn't have irradiated honey..lol. so don't know what to say to that. Lola On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:08 PM, smallhagridinvt < scorn4yoohoo@...> wrote: > ** > > > Hi Gerry and thanks. > Living in rural areas and having kept livestock myself in the past I've > heard many uplifting tellings of grievously injured livestock who could not > even be stitched back together, some with horrific infections or > infestations already...and how the vet advised either euthanasia - or > packing the wounds daily with honey. > > Apparently for those who chose to hang on and be persistent the honey > promoted amazing healing in such desperate situations - full mobility > restored, and so forth. > I may yet resort to that method myself. > > Thus far my best results have come from debridement under hot water (in > the shower) followed by generous amounts of betadine. > It is quite ouchy, but does cause the lesions to shrink right away. > > Combined with all else I am doing, well - my take on it is that the > invading organisms are (figuratively speaking...) already dead; they just > haven't figured it out yet !!! > > Regardless of my silliness - it's either them or me, and I'm fairly > determined. > > Best Wishes to All ! > > mark > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 We consume raw honey, neither heated nor boiled nor irradiated. It contains all of the living enzymes. I take it on oatmeal or in tea. Would take it in coffee, but like my one daily cup with cream only. > Everything old becomes new again..lol. the ancient Romans and Egyptians > used honey for wound healing. It is a natural antibacterial. > > This seems to be a good site to give an overview of honey usage. > > http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/november/Molan/honey-as-topical-agent.html > > " Honey produced as a food often is not well filtered, and may contain > various particles in it. Also, although honey does not allow vegetative > bacteria to survive, it does contain viable spores, including clostridia. > Honey that has been treated by gamma-irradiation is available commercially; > this processing kills clostridial spores > [86]<http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/november/Molan/honey-as-topical-agent.h\ tml#ref86>, > [87]<http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/november/Molan/honey-as-topical-agent.h\ tml#ref87>without > loss of any of the antibacterial activity > [86]<http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/november/Molan/honey-as-topical-agent.h\ tml#ref86>. > Various brands of honey with standardised antibacterial activity, processed > as a medical product and sterilised by gamma-irradiation are available > commercially. New Zealand manuka (Leptospermum scoparium) honey is sold > with the activity of its phytochemical antibacterial component rated on a > 'UMF' scale, with the 'UMF' number being the equivalent concentration of > phenol with the same antibacterial activity against Staphylococcus aureus > (i.e. UMF 15 = 15% phenol). Australian Leptospermum honey, Medihoney, is a > listed product with the Therapeutic Goods Administration in Australia and > has a standardised level of this antibacterial component. In addition, > practical guides on the clinical use of honey in infected wounds are now > available [69]<http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/november/Molan/honey-as-topical-agent.h\ tml#ref69>, > [88]<http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/november/Molan/honey-as-topical-agent.h\ tml#ref88>. > The main considerations are summarised in Box > 1.<http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/november/Molan/honey-as-topical-agent.htm\ l#box1> " > > > I am sure the Egyptians and Romans didn't have irradiated honey..lol. so > don't know what to say to that. Lola > On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:08 PM, smallhagridinvt< > scorn4yoohoo@...> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> Hi Gerry and thanks. >> Living in rural areas and having kept livestock myself in the past I've >> heard many uplifting tellings of grievously injured livestock who could not >> even be stitched back together, some with horrific infections or >> infestations already...and how the vet advised either euthanasia - or >> packing the wounds daily with honey. >> >> Apparently for those who chose to hang on and be persistent the honey >> promoted amazing healing in such desperate situations - full mobility >> restored, and so forth. >> I may yet resort to that method myself. >> >> Thus far my best results have come from debridement under hot water (in >> the shower) followed by generous amounts of betadine. >> It is quite ouchy, but does cause the lesions to shrink right away. >> >> Combined with all else I am doing, well - my take on it is that the >> invading organisms are (figuratively speaking...) already dead; they just >> haven't figured it out yet !!! >> >> Regardless of my silliness - it's either them or me, and I'm fairly >> determined. >> >> Best Wishes to All ! >> >> mark >> >> >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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