Re: :Detox is the Main Function of Chinese Medicine Science

[Guest guest]

I know some of you here are worry about the metal contimination issue in the herbs from China. But, I don't think you know that the fundational function of herb medicine ( we call it Chinese Medicine, because this type of herb medicine or theory was developed by Chinese people 5000 years ago and has been using until now, but not necessarily mean this type of herbs are all from China.)

I know some of herbs grow in Taiwan, Japan, Karea, all over Asia, some of them from Tibet, far away from China, Like Yuen Guey, Tibet..very low modern environment, grow in the high mountain area, I can imagine not much civilization going on there, so pollution??...

Anyway, all the herbs function work together--ultimately is to teach or train the body--DETOX, up-generate liver's detox function for whole body...some of the herbs in my son's herb mix also have anti-fungal, anti-biotic, anti-bacterial function, imagine Olive leaf extract, and one of my son's herb Xia Cu Cao is another tyep of plante leaf, too, great for cleaning up yeast and reduce inflammation....,,

Ok, your concern is totally valid, you also can ask a certified TCM about where the herb sources come from and how to ensure the quality...

All I start to believe Chinese Medicine is because I see my son's progress day by day which bio-med, chelation, MB12 have not brought such a results as CHinese herb medicine does.

I will stop posting about CHinese medicine information at this group from now on, because I don't want to have another similar type of argument like LW glutathione patches, any of you are interested in finding out my son's development, you are welcome to email me privately.

Sincerely, Rei

From: Carmen F Goldman <CASGOLDMANMSN (DOT) COM>Subject: Re:It's NOT A News---Chinese Medicine Science Treats Autism!!To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Friday, November 14, 2008, 11:50 AM

Hi Rei,

What a great article explaining the functions of the organs in TCM. A few weeks ago I posted to the group that a Chinese Doctor, living in South America cured a little boy who was on the spectrum. His aunt told me that he also used Chinese herbs to make a tea for him Remembering this story and reading about your and Quinn¢s experience prompted me to contact Dr. Peng as well..

I had the consult yesterday and am awaiting our herbs. I¢ll keep everyone posted about our experience along the way.

Thanks for sharing.

Carmen F. Goldman www.youngliving. com/623256

[Guest guest]

Rei, please don't stop posting on the list!!!!!

natasa

>

> From: Carmen F Goldman CASGOLDMANMSN (DOT) COM>

> Subject: Re:It's NOT A News---Chinese Medicine Science

Treats Autism!!

> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

> Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 11:50 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi Rei,

>  

>

>

> What a great article explaining the functions of the organs in

TCM.  A few weeks ago I posted to the group that a Chinese Doctor,

living in South America cured a little boy who was on the spectrum. 

His aunt told me that he also used Chinese herbs to make a tea for him

 Remembering this story and reading about your and Quinn¢s

experience prompted me to contact Dr. Peng as well..

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I had the consult yesterday and am awaiting our herbs.  I¢ll

keep everyone posted about our experience along the way.

>

> Thanks for sharing.

>

> Carmen F. Goldman

> www.youngliving. com/623256

>

[Guest guest]

Re:It's NOT A News---Chinese Medicine Science Treats Autism!!To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Friday, November 14, 2008, 11:50 AM

Hi Rei,

What a great article explaining the functions of the organs in TCM. A few weeks ago I posted to the group that a Chinese Doctor, living in South America cured a little boy who was on the spectrum. His aunt told me that he also used Chinese herbs to make a tea for him Remembering this story and reading about your and Quinn¢s experience prompted me to contact Dr. Peng as well..

I had the consult yesterday and am awaiting our herbs. I¢ll keep everyone posted about our experience along the way.

Thanks for sharing.

Carmen F. Goldman www.youngliving. com/623256

[Guest guest]

Rei:

I hate for you to stop posting because of the contaminants issue.

Listmates are speculating about issues all the while you are seeing results, let them (IGNORE THOSE POSTS - delete them).

Heck there is lead in pretty much all children's and women's multi-vitamins including Kirkman's according to this study conducted by the FDA, results released this past August.

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/pbvitami.html

So contaminants are everywhere is about what helps your child detox. Rei you have found something that helps your child detox so keep trucking along. For every one skeptical out there there are 25 hopeful that are rooting for you.

I have actually thought that this could be its own Yahoo group.

______________________ Frances fbrooks55@...

[Guest guest]

Rei

I dont think anyone wants you to stop posting about the protocol your son is on.

There is always questions of concern on something like this. I think its great

your son is doing so well and I know many people are interested in hearing how

its going for your son, myself included. I wouldnt take peoples concerns personal

nor view it as negative : )

38 and Mom to threeTasha 23..new Mommy ( means I am a Grammy )Casey-Mae 13..sweet as pieElijah 2.. ASD and beautiful

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:32:54 AMSubject: Re: :Detox is the Main Function of Chinese Medicine Science

I know some of you here are worry about the metal contimination issue in the herbs from China. But, I don't think you know that the fundational function of herb medicine ( we call it Chinese Medicine, because this type of herb medicine or theory was developed by Chinese people 5000 years ago and has been using until now, but not necessarily mean this type of herbs are all from China.)

I know some of herbs grow in Taiwan, Japan, Karea, all over Asia, some of them from Tibet, far away from China, Like Yuen Guey, Tibet..very low modern environment, grow in the high mountain area, I can imagine not much civilization going on there, so pollution??. ..

Anyway, all the herbs function work together--ultimatel y is to teach or train the body--DETOX, up-generate liver's detox function for whole body...some of the herbs in my son's herb mix also have anti-fungal, anti-biotic, anti-bacterial function, imagine Olive leaf extract, and one of my son's herb Xia Cu Cao is another tyep of plante leaf, too, great for cleaning up yeast and reduce inflammation. ...,,

Ok, your concern is totally valid, you also can ask a certified TCM about where the herb sources come from and how to ensure the quality....

All I start to believe Chinese Medicine is because I see my son's progress day by day which bio-med, chelation, MB12 have not brought such a results as CHinese herb medicine does.

I will stop posting about CHinese medicine information at this group from now on, because I don't want to have another similar type of argument like LW glutathione patches, any of you are interested in finding out my son's development, you are welcome to email me privately.

Sincerely, Rei

From: Carmen F Goldman <CASGOLDMANMSN (DOT) COM>Subject: Re:It's NOT A News---Chinese Medicine Science Treats Autism!!To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Friday, November 14, 2008, 11:50 AM

Hi Rei,

What a great article explaining the functions of the organs in TCM. A few weeks ago I posted to the group that a Chinese Doctor, living in South America cured a little boy who was on the spectrum. His aunt told me that he also used Chinese herbs to make a tea for him Remembering this story and reading about your and Quinn¢s experience prompted me to contact Dr. Peng as well..

I had the consult yesterday and am awaiting our herbs. I¢ll keep everyone posted about our experience along the way.

Thanks for sharing.

Carmen F. Goldman www.youngliving. com/623256

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: michellebondy

Andy Cutler even recommends Chinese medicine and never said anythingabout the metals in the herbs.

==>I did discuss this with Andy and he *did* say to make sure the herbs are NOT imported from China, thanks for bringing this up.

Again, not saying don't use them, but be careful of the source.

> >> > Rei:> > > > I hate for you to stop posting because of the contaminants issue. > > > > Listmates are speculating about issues all the while you are seeing> results,> > let them (IGNORE THOSE POSTS - delete them).> > > > Heck there is lead in pretty much all children's and women's> multi-vitamins> > including Kirkman's according to this study conducted by the FDA,> results> > released this past August.> > > > http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/pbvitami.html> > > > So contaminants are everywhere is about what helps your child detox.> Rei you> > have found something that helps your child detox so keep trucking> along. For> > every one skeptical out there there are 25 hopeful that are rooting> for you.> > > > I have actually thought that this could be its own Yahoo group.> > > > ______________________ > > Frances > > fbrooks55@> >>

[Guest guest]

Concern about the safety of any product should be our first question when deciding to use it on ourselves or our children. In the case of Dr. Peng's herbs, I think we need only see, read and hear about Rei and her son's experience. He would not be making the kind of progress that he is if these herbs had any level of contamination. In fact, we would be seeing really bad reactions or regression if there was contamination.

I for one will miss Rei's posting of Quinn's progress. Rei, again thanks for the heads up on this protocol and I look forward to seeing the same progress with my son.

Best wishes,Carmen F. Goldman, Esq.

casgoldman@...

www.youngliving.com/623256

[Guest guest]

When you think about it, most of the China "contaminations" are done with products that are mass produced for overseas consumption. These are the products that are created and profited on by western companies but produced in China so that the company can realize a greater profit. I'd be more concerned about mass produced goods/foods with Chinese origins than I would herbals. At least until this herbal thing catches on!

From: Carmen F Goldman <CASGOLDMANMSN (DOT) COM>Subject: Re:It's NOT A News---Chinese Medicine Science Treats Autism!!To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Friday, November 14, 2008, 11:50 AM

Hi Rei,

What a great article explaining the functions of the organs in TCM. A few weeks ago I posted to the group that a Chinese Doctor, living in South America cured a little boy who was on the spectrum. His aunt told me that he also used Chinese herbs to make a tea for him Remembering this story and reading about your and Quinn¢s experience prompted me to contact Dr. Peng as well..

I had the consult yesterday and am awaiting our herbs. I¢ll keep everyone posted about our experience along the way.

Thanks for sharing.

Carmen F. Goldman www.youngliving. com/623256

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

The contamination in herbs usually occurs in powder form. When

they are in whole herb form the likely contanimation is less. I know

their is contaminaton in everything nowadays. If we don't buy

organic then there is contamination in our food.

Rei please continue to post details about your son's progress.

Stories with such positive results in such short time are very

inspiring. They raise our hopes and keep us motivated to find a

solution for our kids. Sometimes in this long battle it gets very

discouraging.Stories like this keep us going. Please Rei continue to

post your results. I hope and pray for better and better results

from your dear son.

Neelam

>

> From: Carmen F Goldman <CASGOLDMANMSN (DOT) COM>

> Subject: Re:It's NOT A News---Chinese Medicine

Science Treats Autism!!

> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

> Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 11:50 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi Rei,

>  

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> What a great article explaining the functions of the organs in

TCM.  A few weeks ago I posted to the group that a Chinese Doctor,

living in South America cured a little boy who was on the spectrum. 

His aunt told me that he also used Chinese herbs to make a tea for

him  Remembering this story and reading about your and Quinn¢s

experience prompted me to contact Dr. Peng as well..

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I had the consult yesterday and am awaiting our herbs.  I¢ll keep

everyone posted about our experience along the way.

>

> Thanks for sharing.

>

> Carmen F. Goldman

> www.youngliving. com/623256

>

[Guest guest]

Well I kinda disagree that we would be seeing regression right away. Maybe in some

cases but take aluminum for instance..life long exposure may cause alzheimers which can

take 40 years to show its affects. Vaccine toxins can " all of a sudden " after 1.5 years

show signs of toxicity in the form of autism and other ...Last October we did a hair test on my

son..he had very high arsenic levels. We chelated for a while and the arsenic levels went way down.

He made huge gains. We had to take a break this summer from chelation and again got another hair

test this October. His gains had slowed way down and he was really struggling in his ABA therapy.

His test showed arsenic levels went way up again. We took every possible caution trying to lower exposure. We

found it was our deck. So its not always something you see right away and from the things we were

doing other than chelation ( while on break ) were continuing his gains it all stopped once the arsenic level

crept back up along with lead also. So I am just saying be careful in the products you use and that

it does not always show right away. Chinese herbs are " known " to be iffy in contaminants and

when you are using a product with no label and no manufacturing information one should be cautious.

I am wondering why the subject is being taken as so negative. Does Dr Peng not give information

on where his herbs come from? I think thats really a legit question for him..especially from parents

who are spending so much time keeping foods and supplements clean even skin care and cooking pans

Maybe I am the only, one but I dont think so. I find Dr Peng and Rei's sons progress interesting

but the origin of the herbs should be available to those purchasing them for use on their child

38 and Mom to threeTasha 23..new Mommy ( means I am a Grammy )Casey-Mae 13..sweet as pieElijah 2.. ASD and beautiful

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 11:15:49 AMSubject: Re: :Detox is the Main Function of Chinese Medicine Science

Concern about the safety of any product should be our first question when deciding to use it on ourselves or our children. In the case of Dr. Peng's herbs, I think we need only see, read and hear about Rei and her son's experience. He would not be making the kind of progress that he is if these herbs had any level of contamination. In fact, we would be seeing really bad reactions or regression if there was contamination.

I for one will miss Rei's posting of Quinn's progress. Rei, again thanks for the heads up on this protocol and I look forward to seeing the same progress with my son.

Best wishes,Carmen F. Goldman, Esq.

casgoldmanmsn (DOT) com www.youngliving. com/623256

[Guest guest]

I am interested also in reading your posts. My son is on a variety

of things and we live life like on a roller coaster, one day he is

typical and the next is a mess. We don't know what is going to work

until we try. I hope you can continue to post your child's progress

for those of us who are interested.

>

> From: Carmen F Goldman <CASGOLDMANMSN (DOT) COM>

> Subject: Re:It's NOT A News---Chinese Medicine

Science Treats Autism!!

> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

> Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 11:50 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi Rei,

>  

>

>

> What a great article explaining the functions of the organs in

TCM.  A few weeks ago I posted to the group that a Chinese Doctor,

living in South America cured a little boy who was on the spectrum. 

His aunt told me that he also used Chinese herbs to make a tea for

him  Remembering this story and reading about your and Quinn¢s

experience prompted me to contact Dr. Peng as well..

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I had the consult yesterday and am awaiting our herbs.  I¢ll keep

everyone posted about our experience along the way.

>

> Thanks for sharing.

>

> Carmen F. Goldman

> www.youngliving. com/623256

>

[Guest guest]

You just described our life. Some days my daughter is a typical kid

with a speech delay and the very next day she is a kid with moderate

to severe autism. It's a very hard life. My emotions are always so up

and then so down. I am my child's co-dependent. I wish I knew why she

was such a rollercoaster.

> >

> > I know some of you here are worry about the metal contimination

> issue in the herbs from China. But, I don't think you know that the

> fundational function of herb medicine ( we call it Chinese Medicine,

> because this type of herb medicine or theory was developed by Chinese

> people 5000 years ago and has been using until now, but not

> necessarily mean this type of herbs are all from China.)

> > I know some of herbs grow in Taiwan, Japan, Karea, all over Asia,

> some of them from Tibet, far away from China, Like Yuen Guey,

> Tibet..very low modern environment, grow in the high mountain area, I

> can imagine not much civilization going on there, so pollution??...

> > Anyway, all the herbs function work together--ultimately is to

> teach or train the body--DETOX, up-generate liver's detox function

> for whole body...some of the herbs in my son's herb mix also have

> anti-fungal, anti-biotic, anti-bacterial function, imagine Olive leaf

> extract, and one of my son's herb Xia Cu Cao is another tyep of

> plante leaf, too, great for cleaning up yeast and reduce

> inflammation....,,

> > Ok, your concern is totally valid, you also can ask a certified TCM

> about where the herb sources come from and how to ensure the

> quality...

> > All I start to believe Chinese Medicine is because I see my son's

> progress day by day which bio-med, chelation, MB12 have not brought

> such a results as CHinese herb medicine does.

> >

> > I will stop posting about CHinese medicine information at this

> group from now on, because I don't want to have another similar type

> of argument like LW glutathione patches, any of you are interested in

> finding out my son's development, you are welcome to email me

> privately.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > Rei

> >

[Guest guest]

I totally agree with .

I’ve read through all of these posts and don’t see

anyone attacking here, just cautioning everyone to be aware of the possibility

of contamination. I always appreciate someone bringing details to my attention

that I may have missed, for example the cellfood issue. (Search the

Autism-Mercury board for info on that) Bringing these issues to the

attention of parents is very important because we are trying various things to

recover our children. Saying someone will always try to bring you down in

one way or another is just plain childish. The main focus of us all is

healing our children.

I am interested in hearing what Rei has to say regarding her

child’s progress on these herbs and I don’t want her to stop

posting her updates. I do, however, hope that she is not insulted by the

previous posts by others who are just bringing more information to the table to

be kept in mind as she continues this therapy with her child. Information

is vital to the success in us healing our children. Don’t you think

the reason that we’re all here healing our children is because we didn’t

have all the information available to us regarding the vaccines we injected

into our child?

Simply asking the doctor about the source of his herbs should

not be a reason for anyone to argue over or be upset about. We are all

looking out for the best interest of our children and that should be the number

one question that is asked on any new therapy you’re trying.

From:

mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf

Of Largey

Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 12:23 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Re: :Detox is the Main Function of Chinese

Medicine Science

Well I kinda disagree

that we would be seeing regression right away. Maybe in some

cases but take aluminum for

instance..life long exposure may cause alzheimers which can

take 40 years to show its

affects. Vaccine toxins can " all of a sudden " after 1.5 years

show signs of toxicity

in the form of autism and other ...Last October we did a hair test on my

son..he had very high arsenic

levels. We chelated for a while and the arsenic levels went way down.

He made huge gains. We had to

take a break this summer from chelation and again got another hair

test this October. His gains

had slowed way down and he was really struggling in his ABA therapy.

His test showed arsenic

levels went way up again. We took every possible caution trying to lower

exposure. We

found it was our

deck. So its not always something you see right away and from the

things we were

doing other than chelation (

while on break ) were continuing his gains it all stopped once the arsenic

level

crept back up along with lead

also. So I am just saying be careful in the products you use and that

it does not always show right

away. Chinese herbs are " known " to be iffy in contaminants and

when you are using a product

with no label and no manufacturing information one should be cautious.

I am wondering why the

subject is being taken as so negative. Does Dr Peng not give information

on where his herbs come from?

I think thats really a legit question for him..especially from parents

who are spending so much time

keeping foods and supplements clean even skin care and cooking pans

Maybe I am the only, one

but I dont think so. I find Dr Peng and Rei's sons progress interesting

but the origin of the herbs

should be available to those purchasing them for use on their child

38 and Mom to three

Tasha 23..new Mommy ( means I am a Grammy )

Casey-Mae 13..sweet as pie

Elijah 2.. ASD and beautiful

To: mb12 valtrex

Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 11:15:49 AM

Subject: Re: :Detox is the Main Function of Chinese

Medicine Science

Concern about the safety of any product should be our first question when

deciding to use it on ourselves or our children. In the case of Dr.

Peng's herbs, I think we need only see, read and hear about Rei and her son's

experience. He would not be making the kind of progress that he is if

these herbs had any level of contamination. In fact, we would be seeing

really bad reactions or regression if there was contamination.

I for one will miss Rei's posting of Quinn's progress. Rei, again

thanks for the heads up on this protocol and I look forward to seeing the same

progress with my son.

Best wishes,

Carmen F. Goldman, Esq.

casgoldmanmsn (DOT) com

www.youngliving. com/623256

[Guest guest]

Hi Rei,

Please don't stop posting. Everyone is interested in learning new

things - that's why we are all here. I didn't think anyone who

mentioned contamination was insinuating that no one should try TCM or

that you should stop sharing. I took it that they were helping us be

aware of a potential risk involved. I like hearing the positives and

potential negatives of ANY treatment.

We pray about and discuss every step we make in our ds's treatment.

We feel that God has been directing every step that we make and that,

yes, TCM was next on our list for our ds. I am glad that the

contamination issue was brought up so I can try to do some research

on the herbs my ds has started.

Hey, I found out that the tub my ds was bathing in was seriously

leaching lead! So, here I was having him do Epsom soaks in lead

contaminated water (that he definitely ingested) thinking I was

helping him and was, in fact, hurting him. When I shared about our

tub on here I wasn't suggesting that no one else should use their

tubs, just that there is a risk involved with them that might be

worth investigating.

If you do decide to only share through email, please put me on that

email list because I would love to hear how your ds is progressing.

Thanks,

>

> I know some of you here are worry about the metal contimination

issue in the herbs from China.

[Guest guest]

Dr. Zheng gave us the herbs in whole form. He said he would add the

herbs from Tibet that Dr. Peng recommends in a month or so. I

speculate that he has them on order.

--penumbra

> >

> > From: Carmen F Goldman <CASGOLDMANMSN (DOT) COM>

> > Subject: Re:It's NOT A News---Chinese Medicine

> Science Treats Autism!!

> > To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

> > Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 11:50 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Rei,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > What a great article explaining the functions of the organs in

> TCM. A few weeks ago I posted to the group that a Chinese Doctor,

> living in South America cured a little boy who was on the spectrum.

> His aunt told me that he also used Chinese herbs to make a tea for

> him Remembering this story and reading about your and Quinn¢s

> experience prompted me to contact Dr. Peng as well..

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I had the consult yesterday and am awaiting our herbs. I¢ll keep

> everyone posted about our experience along the way.

> >

> > Thanks for sharing.

> >

> > Carmen F. Goldman

> > www.youngliving. com/623256

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think Sandy's TCM Dr. Wang in San Diego where she is purchasing herbs ( whole herbs included roots, leaves, trunks, fruit, dry flowers) from is the same wholesaler Dr. Peng purchases his herb sources. This company is in San Francisco. I do want to call them on Monday and see if they got FDA permit before they export herbs from containers by containers. I used to work in a organic soy product maker company that has plants in South Asia, and they export organic soy milks to US market, I remember, by law, we have to file FDA permit before any products out of warehouse or sold on the shelves. I will try to get that info as soon as I can.

Also, progroess report of the day on my son;s development:

1) Today, he successfullly cut his finger nails with nail clip!. He finished cut his left hand finger nails. I can see his eye, hand coordination has a huge leap, his brain is working.

2) He waited in hair saloon for hair cut almost ofr 45 minutes, sat on the couch at the lobby with bunch of ladies who were waiting for getting hair done, he did not complain, did not ask to go... he was interested in magzines and advertising on newspaper, he sat there like one of these ladies who needs hair done. It is something that never happened before. You know,... usually he will whine, complained, move around, get up and sit down, moving like a worm.......

Sincerely, Rei

Subject: Re: :Detox is the Main Function of Chinese Medicine ScienceTo: mb12 valtrex Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 10:14 PM

Dr. Zheng gave us the herbs in whole form. He said he would add theherbs from Tibet that Dr. Peng recommends in a month or so. Ispeculate that he has them on order.--penumbra> > > > From: Carmen F Goldman <CASGOLDMAN@

MSN. COM>> > Subject: Re:It's NOT A News---Chinese Medicine > Science Treats Autism!!> > To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> > Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 11:50 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rei,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a great article explaining the functions of the organs in > TCM. A few weeks ago I posted to the group that a Chinese Doctor, > living in South America cured a little boy who was on the spectrum. > His aunt told me that he also used Chinese herbs to make a tea for > him Remembering this story and reading about your and Quinn¢s > experience prompted me to contact Dr. Peng as well.. > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had the consult yesterday and am awaiting our herbs. I¢ll keep > everyone posted about our experience along the way. > > > > Thanks for sharing. > > > > Carmen F. Goldman > > www.youngliving. com/623256> >>

[Guest guest]

I greatly appreciate your all very welcoming, understanding and intelligent discussions on TCM or herb protocols here. I am a person who avoid confrontation, yet like to share good things with others. Since I accidentally ran into this Dr. Peng and discovered this new possible channel to help out our children, I let my son try first and God bless he has been doing well without even making any efforts. I see it as a big bless. And I see all of you on this group are few of the greatest things that autism ever creates for our lives. Because this damne disease, we unite together with a such great purpose and high spirits--to get our children back from autism.

I also feel obligated to find out the safety of herbs sources. This is on my to-do-list immediately. Also, please discuss with your own TCM about the safety, purification level of herbs they use.

For our learning purpose, why don't we start to share the experience of herb protocols, progress, reaction, good or bad.One more progress--Quinn has not had any temper tantrum for almost 2 weeks now....

Sincerely, Rei

Subject: Re: :Detox is the Main Function of Chinese Medicine ScienceTo: mb12 valtrex Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 1:01 PM

Hi Rei,Please don't stop posting. Everyone is interested in learning new things - that's why we are all here. I didn't think anyone who mentioned contamination was insinuating that no one should try TCM or that you should stop sharing. I took it that they were helping us be aware of a potential risk involved. I like hearing the positives and potential negatives of ANY treatment.We pray about and discuss every step we make in our ds's treatment. We feel that God has been directing every step that we make and that, yes, TCM was next on our list for our ds. I am glad that the contamination issue was brought up so I can try to do some research on the herbs my ds has started.Hey, I found out that the tub my ds was bathing in was seriously leaching lead! So, here I was having him do Epsom soaks in lead contaminated water (that he definitely ingested) thinking I was helping him and

was, in fact, hurting him. When I shared about our tub on here I wasn't suggesting that no one else should use their tubs, just that there is a risk involved with them that might be worth investigating.If you do decide to only share through email, please put me on that email list because I would love to hear how your ds is progressing.Thanks,>> I know some of you here are worry about the metal contimination issue in the herbs from China.

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Re: :Detox is the Main Function of Chinese Medicine ScienceTo: mb12 valtrex Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 1:01 PM

Hi Rei,Please don't stop posting. Everyone is interested in learning new things - that's why we are all here. I didn't think anyone who mentioned contamination was insinuating that no one should try TCM or that you should stop sharing. I took it that they were helping us be aware of a potential risk involved. I like hearing the positives and potential negatives of ANY treatment.We pray about and discuss every step we make in our ds's treatment. We feel that God has been directing every step that we make and that, yes, TCM was next on our list for our ds. I am glad that the contamination issue was brought up so I can try to do some research on the herbs my ds has started.Hey, I found out that the tub my ds was bathing in was seriously leaching lead! So, here I was having him do Epsom soaks in lead contaminated water (that he definitely ingested) thinking I was helping him and was, in fact, hurting him. When I shared about our tub on here I wasn't suggesting that no one else should use their tubs, just that there is a risk involved with them that might be worth investigating.If you do decide to only share through email, please put me on that email list because I would love to hear how your ds is progressing.Thanks,>> I know some of you here are worry about the metal contimination issue in the herbs from China.

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What about Essiac tea? Has anyone looked into that and chelation? Is

the tea safe while chelating? The turkey rhubarb is from China. The

original ingredients aren't from China but from Canada and you can

only get the original tea in Canada.

Now I'm wondering about Ojibwa and contamination if they are getting

this herb from China.

> >

> > I know some of you here are worry about the metal

contimination

> issue in the herbs from China.

>

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Hi everyone,My son and I started supplements about a month or so ago. I have heard a lot about chelation , can someone tell me what that entails?Thanks Mom to Christian, 3 and diagnosed with ASD Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TDate: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:22:15 -0000To: <mb12 valtrex >Subject: Re: :Detox is the Main Function of Chinese Medicine Science What about Essiac tea? Has anyone looked into that and chelation? Is the tea safe while chelating? The turkey rhubarb is from China. The original ingredients aren't from China but from Canada and you can only get the original tea in Canada. Now I'm wondering about Ojibwa and contamination if they are getting this herb from China. > > > > I know some of you here are worry about the metal contimination > issue in the herbs from China. >

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Anyone can contact me offline too at kerstenrojas@.... Like Rei, we explored Chinese Medicine although homeopathy and bioset rather than the actual herbs in herb form. We have had great success with Dr. Hong...among the other therapies and protocals we follow (we use Hong in conjunction with DAN's Bock and Usman).

Seeing was believing for us as our son is in recovery...not selling anything-just sharing our successes after many failures in our journey.

www.harryhong.com

HTH someone,

Kersten

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From: michellebondy

What about Essiac tea? Has anyone looked into that and chelation? Isthe tea safe while chelating? The turkey rhubarb is from China. Theoriginal ingredients aren't from China but from Canada and you canonly get the original tea in Canada.Now I'm wondering about Ojibwa and contamination if they are gettingthis herb from China.

===>This is a big problem, and not only with herbs. We have always stuck with Vital Nutrient supplements, despite their high cost, as they are one of the few companies to independently test their vitamins for contamination of any kind.

Ours is recovered but we're not in any hurry to load her back up with metals that took so long to get out. The other day I was looking into a multivitamin from a pharmaceutical grade company, you know the kind that only sells to drs. As a psych I have some access to these.

I was trying to track down their source of calcium, to get an independent assay of the lead content. Contrary to what you have heard, it's entirely possible to get calcium without lead. After many days of wrangling with the company where you would have thought I was asking for security clearance from the US, I not only found that their calcium contained appreciable amounts of lead, but also some MERCURY.

Honestly, who would take the time? I can only say that unless a company will willingly show you the independent assay of their product, be suspicious. Take the time to track these down, they're available and I think important to know what we're giving, not just with herbs, either.

> >> > I know some of you here are worry about the metalcontimination > issue in the herbs from China.>

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Hi,

How do you know there is a correlation between the cilantro and dmsa.

Was this IV chelation? Is there any clinical evidence of this

connection?

Thanks,

--penumbra

> Another point: Cilantro is an herb, with if mixed with

chelation, could spell disaster. We had a recent post on A-M from a

mother who mixed cilantro with Dmsa, after successfully using Dmsa for

some time, and her child regressed fairly severely.

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Re: :Detox is the Main Function of Chinese Medicine Science

Hi,How do you know there is a correlation between the cilantro and dmsa.

===>Sorry, don't understand this question, correlation as to what?

Most likely the child whose mother had been giving him cilantro and Dmsa was reacting to the Cilantro, not the Dmsa, as it had been given previously without problem.

But let me say that I have spoken with lots of adults who have used cilantro who were made worse, the problem being the noone knows *exactly* how often to dose cilantro, so it's difficult to regulate.

I did speak to one father whose child was cadmium poisoned who gave his child cilantro as he was out of the country and could not give Dmsa, his child was doing well, last I heard.

But mostly people with mercury do not do well with cilantro, although you might find one or two who do.

I do know that it's worth experimenting carefully with cilantro if you're one of the rare individuals who cannot tolerate the "standard" chelators, Dmsa/dmps/Ala.

Was this IV chelation?

===>No, oral.

Is there any clinical evidence of thisconnection?Thanks,--penumbra> Another point: Cilantro is an herb, with if mixed withchelation, could spell disaster. We had a recent post on A-M from amother who mixed cilantro with Dmsa, after successfully using Dmsa forsome time, and her child regressed fairly severely.

[Guest guest]

Not sure if this question was asked but How does the Herb tea taste and how do

you get it

into a kiddo who doesn't like the taste. thanks Selena

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> Re: :Detox is the Main Function of Chinese Medicine

Science

>

>

> Hi,

>

> How do you know there is a correlation between the cilantro and dmsa.

>

> ===>Sorry, don't understand this question, correlation as to what?

>

> Most likely the child whose mother had been giving him cilantro and Dmsa was

reacting to the Cilantro, not the Dmsa, as it had been given previously without

problem.

>

> But let me say that I have spoken with lots of adults who have used cilantro

who were

made worse, the problem being the noone knows *exactly* how often to dose

cilantro, so

it's difficult to regulate.

>

> I did speak to one father whose child was cadmium poisoned who gave his

child

cilantro as he was out of the country and could not give Dmsa, his child was

doing well,

last I heard.

>

> But mostly people with mercury do not do well with cilantro, although you

might find

one or two who do.

>

> I do know that it's worth experimenting carefully with cilantro if you're

one of the rare

individuals who cannot tolerate the " standard " chelators, Dmsa/dmps/Ala.

>

>

> Was this IV chelation?

>

> ===>No, oral.

>

>

>

> Is there any clinical evidence of this

> connection?

>

> Thanks,

> --penumbra

>

> > Another point: Cilantro is an herb, with if mixed with

> chelation, could spell disaster. We had a recent post on A-M from a

> mother who mixed cilantro with Dmsa, after successfully using Dmsa for

> some time, and her child regressed fairly severely.

>