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cerlery is commonly found in broths and bacons do you use any of those? the lettuce would also fall under broths same for carrots and broccoli (we found this 1 time threw our daughters test for a loop as well) pineapple is common in enzymes. look for bromaline on the label. do you do gummy bear vitamines as well as many of these things listed would be in those. what suppliments do you use. citrus fruits are common in vit C's as well

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Crazy thought?

Hello,I have a crazy thought I want to share with everyone. My son has been gfcf for four years now. His gut is still the piece of the puzzle I can't solve. His last food panel came back with sensitivities to rice and potato as well as eggs, celery, lettuce, cucumber, carrot, broccoli, citrus fruits, pineapple, tomato and watermelon. Most of these items excluding rice, potato, eggs and tomato he has never eaten before. I know that most people would suggest the SCD but my kiddo is a high ammonia kid and high protein is not an option. So, here is my thought. Could it be possible to rotate in gluten with enzymes to replace all of the rice based food and still heal the gut? I am starting to think that the rice has become a huge problem for us and if we substitute gluten it might help his gut take a break from the rice. Am I crazy for even thinking this? I would love to hear from anyone with thoughts or advice (good or bad).Thanks,Dayna

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gluten will cause the gut to leak more so I wouldn't recommend it, I would add in OTHER grains to make up for the rice, buckwheat, millet, amaranth, cococnut, teff, misquit, sweetpotatoe, wild rice, qunioa, bean flours ect and rotate them, it will allow for more healing

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Crazy thought?

Hello,I have a crazy thought I want to share with everyone. My son has been gfcf for four years now. His gut is still the piece of the puzzle I can't solve. His last food panel came back with sensitivities to rice and potato as well as eggs, celery, lettuce, cucumber, carrot, broccoli, citrus fruits, pineapple, tomato and watermelon. Most of these items excluding rice, potato, eggs and tomato he has never eaten before. I know that most people would suggest the SCD but my kiddo is a high ammonia kid and high protein is not an option. So, here is my thought. Could it be possible to rotate in gluten with enzymes to replace all of the rice based food and still heal the gut? I am starting to think that the rice has become a huge problem for us and if we substitute gluten it might help his gut take a break from the rice. Am I crazy for even thinking this? I would love to hear from anyone with thoughts or advice (good or bad).Thanks,Dayna

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Dayna - I played around with taking Ty off the

diet a few yrs ago (he had been on it since 18 mos.

old and he was then 4.5 yrs old). It backfired -

took a while, but over a 3 mos. period we saw

cognitive decline and eventually the return of

really bad stools.

I feel your pain, even after years of gut intervention

and 2.5 yrs of Yasko recommended gut treatment, we

are still dealing with bacteria and malabsorption

issues (though a recent food allergy panel didn't

show too much come up). The gut problems were my

main motivation for trying the Traditional Chinese

Medicine that Rei has had so much luck with.

Too soon to tell, we are only on day 9 of the tea,

but you can follow my blog on our experience at

http://tcmforautism.blogspot.com

if you are interested.

>

> Hello,

>

> I have a crazy thought I want to share with everyone. My son has

been gfcf for four years

> now. His gut is still the piece of the puzzle I can't solve. His

last food panel came back with

> sensitivities to rice and potato as well as eggs, celery, lettuce,

cucumber, carrot, broccoli,

> citrus fruits, pineapple, tomato and watermelon. Most of these

items excluding rice, potato,

> eggs and tomato he has never eaten before. I know that most people

would suggest the SCD

> but my kiddo is a high ammonia kid and high protein is not an

option. So, here is my

> thought. Could it be possible to rotate in gluten with enzymes to

replace all of the rice based

> food and still heal the gut? I am starting to think that the rice

has become a huge problem

> for us and if we substitute gluten it might help his gut take a

break from the rice. Am I crazy

> for even thinking this? I would love to hear from anyone with

thoughts or advice (good or

> bad).

>

> Thanks,

> Dayna

>

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Thanks for the advice. In my heart I knew it would be crazy to add gluten back

in but I

wanted to hear what others had to say. I am very interested in Dr. Peng's herbal

protocol

and have been following the threads. I am very worried that my son will not

drink it. He

swallows pills like a champ but is very hesitant to try any liquids he is not

familiar with. I

am looking forward to following your journey.

Peace,

Dayna

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I have a crazy thought I want to share with everyone. My son has

> been gfcf for four years

> > now. His gut is still the piece of the puzzle I can't solve. His

> last food panel came back with

> > sensitivities to rice and potato as well as eggs, celery, lettuce,

> cucumber, carrot, broccoli,

> > citrus fruits, pineapple, tomato and watermelon. Most of these

> items excluding rice, potato,

> > eggs and tomato he has never eaten before. I know that most people

> would suggest the SCD

> > but my kiddo is a high ammonia kid and high protein is not an

> option. So, here is my

> > thought. Could it be possible to rotate in gluten with enzymes to

> replace all of the rice based

> > food and still heal the gut? I am starting to think that the rice

> has become a huge problem

> > for us and if we substitute gluten it might help his gut take a

> break from the rice. Am I crazy

> > for even thinking this? I would love to hear from anyone with

> thoughts or advice (good or

> > bad).

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Dayna

> >

>

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We've been GFCF and rice, corn, nut, egg, etc. free for over a year

now. It's hard at first, but totally do-able! My son doesn't eat

bread at all, because I simply haven't found a bread he CAN eat, and

all the homemade loaves I've tried have failed due to all of his

resrictions. But you know, he doesn't miss it. I make muffins,

pancakes, cookies, etc. all from scratch with grains like sorghum,

quinoa, amaranth, teff, tapioca, arrowroot, etc.

I would be really hesitant about the gluten, espicailly if he seems

to have a leaky gut (which is likely based on his food panel

results). Do you use enzymes currently?

Sheri

>

> Hello,

>

> I have a crazy thought I want to share with everyone. My son has

been gfcf for four years

> now. His gut is still the piece of the puzzle I can't solve. His

last food panel came back with

> sensitivities to rice and potato as well as eggs, celery, lettuce,

cucumber, carrot, broccoli,

> citrus fruits, pineapple, tomato and watermelon. Most of these

items excluding rice, potato,

> eggs and tomato he has never eaten before. I know that most people

would suggest the SCD

> but my kiddo is a high ammonia kid and high protein is not an

option. So, here is my

> thought. Could it be possible to rotate in gluten with enzymes to

replace all of the rice based

> food and still heal the gut? I am starting to think that the rice

has become a huge problem

> for us and if we substitute gluten it might help his gut take a

break from the rice. Am I crazy

> for even thinking this? I would love to hear from anyone with

thoughts or advice (good or

> bad).

>

> Thanks,

> Dayna

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For 3 days during Thanksgiving my daughter ate

foods that I would not normally give her or allow.

I gave HUGE amounts of digestive enzymes

BEFORE the meals and

saw no difference in behaviors or anything

like that.

I am not sure on substituting gluten

in particular.....

~

" Dayna Sable " wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> I have a crazy thought I want to share with everyone. My son has

been gfcf for four years

> now. His gut is still the piece of the puzzle I can't solve. His

last food panel came back with

> sensitivities to rice and potato as well as eggs, celery, lettuce,

cucumber, carrot, broccoli,

> citrus fruits, pineapple, tomato and watermelon. Most of these

items excluding rice, potato,

> eggs and tomato he has never eaten before. I know that most people

would suggest the SCD

> but my kiddo is a high ammonia kid and high protein is not an

option. So, here is my

> thought. Could it be possible to rotate in gluten with enzymes to

replace all of the rice based

> food and still heal the gut? I am starting to think that the rice

has become a huge problem

> for us and if we substitute gluten it might help his gut take a

break from the rice. Am I crazy

> for even thinking this? I would love to hear from anyone with

thoughts or advice (good or

> bad).

>

> Thanks,

> Dayna

>

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Dayna have you looked into Body Ecology diet? Have you tried grains

like quinoa or millet? Also going grain free might be a good idea.

You could do body ecology or scd in a way that works for your child.

I don't think lots of meat is a good idea either. If I were to do

SCD it would be w/o honey, fruits, or large amts of meat. I would

use lots of vegetables and limit nuts too.

I think there are other options before you add gluten back in.

Also I believe that if the body is reacting to so many foods, this

really just tells you that his body is reacting. Immune problems is

what I see rather than the actual foods being problems. I think it

wise to keep working on bringing immune function into balance.

Blessings

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I have a crazy thought I want to share with everyone. My son has

> been gfcf for four years

> > now. His gut is still the piece of the puzzle I can't solve. His

> last food panel came back with

> > sensitivities to rice and potato as well as eggs, celery,

lettuce,

> cucumber, carrot, broccoli,

> > citrus fruits, pineapple, tomato and watermelon. Most of these

> items excluding rice, potato,

> > eggs and tomato he has never eaten before. I know that most

people

> would suggest the SCD

> > but my kiddo is a high ammonia kid and high protein is not an

> option. So, here is my

> > thought. Could it be possible to rotate in gluten with enzymes to

> replace all of the rice based

> > food and still heal the gut? I am starting to think that the rice

> has become a huge problem

> > for us and if we substitute gluten it might help his gut take a

> break from the rice. Am I crazy

> > for even thinking this? I would love to hear from anyone with

> thoughts or advice (good or

> > bad).

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Dayna

> >

>

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Sheri it sounds like your child may benefit from a mostly grain free

diet and if you do use quinoa, I'd soak it and rotate this every 4

days. I had to do all of this for an 18 month period, but now we

have more flexibility.

Sounds like your child may benefit from not having any foods

everyday. He sounds very reactive at the moment to foods. My son

was like this too. Very frustrating, but we got through it.

Best to you

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > I have a crazy thought I want to share with everyone. My son

> has

> > been gfcf for four years

> > > now. His gut is still the piece of the puzzle I can't solve.

> His

> > last food panel came back with

> > > sensitivities to rice and potato as well as eggs, celery,

> lettuce,

> > cucumber, carrot, broccoli,

> > > citrus fruits, pineapple, tomato and watermelon. Most of

these

> > items excluding rice, potato,

> > > eggs and tomato he has never eaten before. I know that most

> people

> > would suggest the SCD

> > > but my kiddo is a high ammonia kid and high protein is not an

> > option. So, here is my

> > > thought. Could it be possible to rotate in gluten with

enzymes

> to

> > replace all of the rice based

> > > food and still heal the gut? I am starting to think that the

> rice

> > has become a huge problem

> > > for us and if we substitute gluten it might help his gut take

a

> > break from the rice. Am I crazy

> > > for even thinking this? I would love to hear from anyone with

> > thoughts or advice (good or

> > > bad).

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Dayna

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I just checked, there is millet in there.

Gluten, Yeast, Corn, Dairy, Soy, Nut and Rice Free Breads From ® Ingredients:

Tapioca flour, arrowroot, chickpea flour, pinto bean flour,navy bean flour, potato starch, millet, Montina (Indian rice grass, also named perennial bunch grass, achnatherum hymnodies), crystallized honey, Xanthan Gum, salt, cream of tartar and baking soda.

Judy

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don't remember there being millet in it, it's bean based

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I wish we could do 's, but he's a 3+ for millet.Thanks though!Sheri> >> > Hello,> > > > I have a crazy thought I want to share with everyone. My son has > been gfcf for four years > > now. His gut is still the piece of the puzzle I can't solve. His > last food panel came back with > > sensitivities to rice and potato as well as eggs, celery, lettuce, > cucumber, carrot, broccoli, > > citrus fruits, pineapple, tomato and watermelon. Most of these > items excluding rice, potato, > > eggs and tomato he has never eaten before. I know that most people > would suggest the SCD > > but my kiddo is a high ammonia kid and high protein is not an > option. So, here is my > > thought. Could it be possible to rotate in gluten with enzymes to > replace all of the rice based > > food and still heal the gut? I am starting to think that the rice > has become a huge problem > > for us and if we substitute gluten it might help his gut take a > break from the rice. Am I crazy > > for even thinking this? I would love to hear from anyone with > thoughts or advice (good or > > bad).> > > > Thanks,> > Dayna> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1821 - Release Date: 11/30/2008 5:53 PM>

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You can still do SCD without it being " high-protien " . As long as he is

not intollerant of all fruits he can eat lots of those. My son is SCD

and he eats alot of bananas and can drink watered down white grape

juice which is full of natural sugars. He also has plenty of butternut

squash which is high in carbs. Just do a little carb counting (the

other way) and see what things you can do to replace the rice etc

without resorting to gluten. I think you will undo a lot of hard work

if you bring it back.

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He might be a parasite kid. Check out Hulda 's parasite

cleansing protocol. Don't parasite give off ammonia.

nne

Crazy thought?

Hello,I have a crazy thought I want to share with everyone. My son has been gfcf for four years now. His gut is still the piece of the puzzle I can't solve. His last food panel came back with sensitivities to rice and potato as well as eggs, celery, lettuce, cucumber, carrot, broccoli, citrus fruits, pineapple, tomato and watermelon. Most of these items excluding rice, potato, eggs and tomato he has never eaten before. I know that most people would suggest the SCD but my kiddo is a high ammonia kid and high protein is not an option. So, here is my thought. Could it be possible to rotate in gluten with enzymes to replace all of the rice based food and still heal the gut? I am starting to think that the rice has become a huge problem for us and if we substitute gluten it might help his gut take a break from the rice. Am I crazy for even thinking this? I would love to hear from anyone with thoughts or advice (good or bad).Thanks,Dayna

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I think any diet that narrows itself down to a group like lots of

fruit, or lots of protein, or lots of grain is a red flag.

Anytime a child is narrowing and only a few things this is helpful.

It helps guides you to what is going on.

I believe as balanced as possible best. Lots of vegetables, with

small amt soaked grains or small amt digestable protein with good

fats best. Sour fruits on empty stomach.

I wouldn't reintroduce gluten. If you are in the world of autism,

my suggestion is to keep looking into advanced diets as opposed to

going back to gluten. But I do respect your observation of

realizing that he is getting a reaction to rice too.

Overall it looks as if he would react to lots of things. SO I would

rotate foods and go with gluten free grains. Keep bowels moving.

I really learned a lot with body ecology diet.

>

> es but if you are doing SCD to kill yeast then doing all fruits is

going to make the whole diet pointless

>

> Recovering from Autism is a marathon

> NOT a sprint, but FULLY possible!

> Read more about it on my BLOGs at

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> http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=677063169

>

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>

> You can still do SCD without it being " high-protien " . As long as

he is

> not intollerant of all fruits he can eat lots of those. My son is

SCD

> and he eats alot of bananas and can drink watered down white

grape

> juice which is full of natural sugars. He also has plenty of

butternut

> squash which is high in carbs. Just do a little carb counting

(the

> other way) and see what things you can do to replace the rice etc

> without resorting to gluten. I think you will undo a lot of hard

work

> if you bring it back.

>

>

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>

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I get a lot of diet and recipe tips from the GFCFKids Yahoo group:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/GFCFKids/

I've also done a lot of " experimenting " in my kitchen over the last

year in order to come up with recipes that work for us.

For egg, I usually use EnerG brand egg replacer - you can find this

at most health food stores. It is GFCF and works quite well. I

sometimes use a flax seed based egg replacer, but it doesn' always go

well with everything. It's nice in some muffins though, and great

for a source of omega-3.

Sheri

>

> Where do you get your recipes? What do you use instead of egg?

thanks.

>

>

> Re: Crazy thought?

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>

>

>

>

>

> We've been GFCF and rice, corn, nut, egg, etc. free for over a year

> now. It's hard at first, but totally do-able! My son doesn't eat

> bread at all, because I simply haven't found a bread he CAN eat,

and

> all the homemade loaves I've tried have failed due to all of his

> resrictions. But you know, he doesn't miss it. I make muffins,

> pancakes, cookies, etc. all from scratch with grains like sorghum,

> quinoa, amaranth, teff, tapioca, arrowroot, etc.

>

> I would be really hesitant about the gluten, espicailly if he seems

> to have a leaky gut (which is likely based on his food panel

> results). Do you use enzymes currently?

>

> Sheri

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