Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 I can't agree more, Karin. I was taking 4mg of E for 2 months and feeling wonderful! Hair was growing back in..things were terrific..then all of a sudden i stopped sleeping at night and started feeling terrible...for the last month i can count the number of nights i've actually slept..and while at it it wasn't a nice restless sleep at all...my SHBG went from 106 to 116...and serum E from 189 up to 214..and estrone was through the roof..and i felt terribly..well, i finally decreased E first down to 3mg and now down to 2.7mg (0.137 patches)..and even though my skin isn't as good as with the higher E, i can sleep at night again..in fact i slept over 10 hrs last night...so i totally agree with receptors getting overwhelmed concept.bigbird3099 wrote: Just a thought again. When doing high amounts of any hormone I don't think you know what your body is actually using or doing w/those hormones. If you are using too much E I think that you can down regulate your receptors. Maybe a break for a week or adjusting downward will get things into sync again. I will just use my husband as an example, he uses T and his last tests showed it in the 800 range but his E also went up. Even at this high level he did not feel as well as when he first started. The Dr basically told him the E was blunting the T and that every once and a while to take a bit of a break and also he reduced his dose and is taking it 2x per week. He is also taking SHBG into the equation. I remember reading Uzzi Reiss' book and he also says that if the SHBG is too high you need to back down on the E.With the last month that I have had (heavy bleeding taking no E and only P for over a week) I know that this might make some sense for me also. I was taking high E and no P (thus the thick uterine lining). I am finished w/the P for the month and I am only taking .05mg patch with 1 mg transdermal E per day and I am sleeping like the dead. I really think the high E blunted alot of my T (hence the nice hair and very little acne) but it also did some damage in other areas. So again for now I think I will take E in smaller amounts and do the vag P every month and maybe once in a while take a small break in the E (a day or 2 during my period)Karin #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 good point Karin to keep SHBG levels in mind when upping your E! thanks for the reminder. madeleenbigbird3099 wrote: Just a thought again. When doing high amounts of any hormone I don't think you know what your body is actually using or doing w/those hormones. If you are using too much E I think that you can down regulate your receptors. Maybe a break for a week or adjusting downward will get things into sync again. I will just use my husband as an example, he uses T and his last tests showed it in the 800 range but his E also went up. Even at this high level he did not feel as well as when he first started. The Dr basically told him the E was blunting the T and that every once and a while to take a bit of a break and also he reduced his dose and is taking it 2x per week. He is also taking SHBG into the equation. I remember reading Uzzi Reiss' book and he also says that if the SHBG is too high you need to back down on the E.With the last month that I have had (heavy bleeding taking no E and only P for over a week) I know that this might make some sense for me also. I was taking high E and no P (thus the thick uterine lining). I am finished w/the P for the month and I am only taking .05mg patch with 1 mg transdermal E per day and I am sleeping like the dead. I really think the high E blunted alot of my T (hence the nice hair and very little acne) but it also did some damage in other areas. So again for now I think I will take E in smaller amounts and do the vag P every month and maybe once in a while take a small break in the E (a day or 2 during my period)Karin New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Karin, forgot to ask..how's the hair doing? any changes since dropping/lowering E?bigbird3099 wrote: Just a thought again. When doing high amounts of any hormone I don't think you know what your body is actually using or doing w/those hormones. If you are using too much E I think that you can down regulate your receptors. Maybe a break for a week or adjusting downward will get things into sync again. I will just use my husband as an example, he uses T and his last tests showed it in the 800 range but his E also went up. Even at this high level he did not feel as well as when he first started. The Dr basically told him the E was blunting the T and that every once and a while to take a bit of a break and also he reduced his dose and is taking it 2x per week. He is also taking SHBG into the equation. I remember reading Uzzi Reiss' book and he also says that if the SHBG is too high you need to back down on the E.With the last month that I have had (heavy bleeding taking no E and only P for over a week) I know that this might make some sense for me also. I was taking high E and no P (thus the thick uterine lining). I am finished w/the P for the month and I am only taking .05mg patch with 1 mg transdermal E per day and I am sleeping like the dead. I really think the high E blunted alot of my T (hence the nice hair and very little acne) but it also did some damage in other areas. So again for now I think I will take E in smaller amounts and do the vag P every month and maybe once in a while take a small break in the E (a day or 2 during my period)Karin #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Hi , That is the strangest thing of all I did not have any hair loss on the week w/no E and taking only P (vaginal and oral). I really get hair loss(immediately) w/the transdermal P. I felt really depressed and the joints hurt, but I did not get that androgen surge like I would have expected. Weird. Hopefully I have reset the receptors and can take smaller amounts of E with some vaginal P from here on. Karin Just a thought again. When doing high amounts of any hormone I don't think you know what > your body is actually using or doing w/those hormones. If you are using too much E I think > that you can down regulate your receptors. Maybe a break for a week or adjusting downward > will get things into sync again. I will just use my husband as an example, he uses T and his > last tests showed it in the 800 range but his E also went up. Even at this high level he did not > feel as well as when he first started. The Dr basically told him the E was blunting the T and > that every once and a while to take a bit of a break and also he reduced his dose and is > taking it 2x per week. He is also taking SHBG into the equation. > I remember reading Uzzi Reiss' book and he also says that if the SHBG is too high you need > to back down on the E. > With the last month that I have had (heavy bleeding taking no E and only P for over a week) I > know that this might make some sense for me also. I was taking high E and no P (thus the > thick uterine lining). I am finished w/the P for the month and I am only taking .05mg patch > with 1 mg transdermal E per day and I am sleeping like the dead. I really think the high E > blunted alot of my T (hence the nice hair and very little acne) but it also did some damage in > other areas. So again for now I think I will take E in smaller amounts and do the vag P every > month and maybe once in a while take a small break in the E (a day or 2 during my period) > Karin > > > > > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/ > > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as medical advice.** > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 this is very good news, Karin! i am crossing my fingers for you! we're very much in a similar boat, as both you and me had to stop higher E...i literally haven't slept in over 5 weeks..and even now when i go to 3mg of E i can't sleep..i can on 2.5....and since decreasing my E 2 weeks ago i was really really really worried about my hair..it's 4.5 weeks before my wedding!!! So thank you for re-assurance! -bigbird3099 wrote: Hi ,That is the strangest thing of all I did not have any hair loss on the week w/no E and taking only P (vaginal and oral). I really get hair loss(immediately) w/the transdermal P.I felt really depressed and the joints hurt, but I did not get that androgen surge like I would have expected. Weird. Hopefully I have reset the receptors and can take smaller amounts of E with some vaginal P from here on.Karin Just a thought again. When doing high amounts of any hormone I don't think you know what > your body is actually using or doing w/those hormones. If you are using too much E I think > that you can down regulate your receptors. Maybe a break for a week or adjusting downward > will get things into sync again. I will just use my husband as an example, he uses T and his > last tests showed it in the 800 range but his E also went up. Even at this high level he did not > feel as well as when he first started. The Dr basically told him the E was blunting the T and > that every once and a while to take a bit of a break and also he reduced his dose and is > taking it 2x per week. He is also taking SHBG into the equation. > I remember reading Uzzi Reiss' book and he also says that if the SHBG is too high you need > to back down on the E.> With the last month that I have had (heavy bleeding taking no E and only P for over a week) I > know that this might make some sense for me also. I was taking high E and no P (thus the > thick uterine lining). I am finished w/the P for the month and I am only taking .05mg patch > with 1 mg transdermal E per day and I am sleeping like the dead. I really think the high E > blunted alot of my T (hence the nice hair and very little acne) but it also did some damage in > other areas. So again for now I think I will take E in smaller amounts and do the vag P every > month and maybe once in a while take a small break in the E (a day or 2 during my period)> Karin> > > > > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as medical advice.** > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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