Guest guest Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 That's actually not true. The infectious bacterium, enterococcus faecalis, is not in Pro Bio Gold. But I am not familiar with VLS#3, so perhaps another can confirm. > > hate to break it to you but the strains of bacteria he was refering to in the threelac *strep lines, are ALSO in the probio gold AND the the VLS#3 I believe which by the way also has milk > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 it's listed as strep something or s. something Recovering from Autism is a marathonNOT a sprint, but FULLY possible!Read more about it on my BLOGs athttp://www.myspace.com/christelkinghttp://foggyrock.com/MyPage/recoveringwisheshttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=677063169 Re: Three-Lac anyone? That's actually not true. The infectious bacterium, enterococcusfaecalis, is not in Pro Bio Gold. But I am not familiar with VLS#3, soperhaps another can confirm.>> hate to break it to you but the strains of bacteria he was referingto in the threelac *strep lines, are ALSO in the probio gold AND thethe VLS#3 I believe which by the way also has milk> No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1798 - Release Date: 11/18/2008 8:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 there are many types of strep Recovering from Autism is a marathonNOT a sprint, but FULLY possible!Read more about it on my BLOGs athttp://www.myspace.com/christelkinghttp://foggyrock.com/MyPage/recoveringwisheshttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=677063169 Re: Three-Lac anyone? That's actually not true. The infectious bacterium, enterococcusfaecalis, is not in Pro Bio Gold. But I am not familiar with VLS#3, soperhaps another can confirm.>> hate to break it to you but the strains of bacteria he was referingto in the threelac *strep lines, are ALSO in the probio gold AND thethe VLS#3 I believe which by the way also has milk> No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1798 - Release Date: 11/18/2008 8:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 the other streps you ALSO mentioned can also trigger PANDAS flares as the body will still see them as pathagenic and produce antibodies against them (even though they are NOT pathogenic) thus the problem Recovering from Autism is a marathonNOT a sprint, but FULLY possible!Read more about it on my BLOGs athttp://www.myspace.com/christelkinghttp://foggyrock.com/MyPage/recoveringwisheshttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=677063169 Re: Three-Lac anyone? Yes there are many types of strep... They are found in our mouth,skin, intestines, and upper respiratory tract, as part of our normal,healthy flora. Two very healthy strains used for centuries arestreptococcus thermophilus, streptococcus cremoris. But the specificbacteria that is potentially harmful, and found in Threelac is calledenterococcus faecalis. This strain is very hardy and has the potentialto be problematic for many. Those with compromised immune systems areat greatest risk. This bacteria is not used in most other probiotics. > >> > hate to break it to you but the strains of bacteria he was refering> to in the threelac *strep lines, are ALSO in the probio gold AND the> the VLS#3 I believe which by the way also has milk> > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1798 - Release Date:11/18/2008 8:59 PM> No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1798 - Release Date: 11/18/2008 8:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 I have to add my 2 cents here. We love threelac and have been using it for a year now with wonderful results. Each child is different...you'll not know how it works with your child unless you give it a try. Especially if you don't have problems with small amounts of casien and strep. karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 yes but we put the info out for those that do, it got alot of pulblisity with our famous friend but then kids started regressing using it with out knowing why and pulling hair out trying to figure out, taking the mystery out of our kids issues is what we are here for, if you have gamma strep show on stool testing out of wack, or have a kid that regresses with strep lines, or an OCD kid, that comes and goes with skills, or on the cf diet I would advise against it or at least go in with open eyes and know if you see bad things to pull it. I also know MANY that are on cf diet who have used it and didn't see gains since they used 's book to get started and THEN when they removed it with that amount of casein in it, they finally made gains....so we don't want anyone to try the diets and then think it doesn't work all over a probotic standing in the way.... information helps us make the best decitions for our kids, just putting it all out there Recovering from Autism is a marathonNOT a sprint, but FULLY possible!Read more about it on my BLOGs athttp://www.myspace.com/christelkinghttp://foggyrock.com/MyPage/recoveringwisheshttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=677063169 Re: Three-Lac anyone? I have to add my 2 cents here. We love threelac and have been using it for a year now with wonderful results. Each child is different...you'll not know how it works with your child unless you give it a try. Especially if you don't have problems with small amounts of casien and strep.karen No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1798 - Release Date: 11/18/2008 8:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 I feel this is getting very off-track, so I'll attempt to pull it back. Strep is not the problem specific to Threelac, and the question was regarding problems associated with Threelac. The problem associated with Threelac is not strep, but the bacteria enterococcus faecalis. It is that specific bacteria that causes many DAN! doctors, practitioners and families not to choose Threelac. It may be a good choice for some families, but often not those with compromised immune systems. Enterococcus faecalis was reclassified in 1984 when genomic DNA analysis indicated that it was a separate genus classification, and not strep. The word " streptococcus " only indicates the shape of the bacteria and it is the word that follows this, that indicates the type. I think you worded it as, " strep something something... " - well it's the " something, something " that's your indicator, and critical in terms of identifying the strain of bacteria. Enterococcus faecalis is not strep. Regardless, the word " strep " alone, is meaningless and only indicates shape. Strep Group A is the group of bacteria linked to PANDAS. Many other types of strep are a natural part of our internal bacterial environment. Healthy bacteria is needed as a component of healthy flora for those with PANDAS too. > > the other streps you ALSO mentioned can also trigger PANDAS flares as the body will still see them as pathagenic and produce antibodies against them (even though they are NOT pathogenic) thus the problem > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Yes...I understand the need to put the information out there for those who may just be getting started, but we need to keep a balance of good and bad press here. I have two dear friends who did not know they had PANDAS until starting Threelac. Granted, it should not be used as a diagnostic tool, but they pulled the threelac immediately and started using other products to combat strep. On the other hand, I know of people including lots of friends, myself and my own children who have benefited greatly from it's use. This product is not for everyone. That said, I agree with the precautionary statements concerning it's use. But, if someone wants to explore it, we shouldn't scare them from it either. The right kids who take it do wonderfully on it. karen > > yes but we put the info out for those that do, it got alot of pulblisity with our famous friend but then kids started regressing using it with out knowing why and pulling hair out trying to figure out, taking the mystery out of our kids issues is what we are here for, if you have gamma strep show on stool testing out of wack, or have a kid that regresses with strep lines, or an OCD kid, that comes and goes with skills, or on the cf diet I would advise against it or at least go in with open eyes and know if you see bad things to pull it. I also know MANY that are on cf diet who have used it and didn't see gains since they used 's book to get started and THEN when they removed it with that amount of casein in it, they finally made gains....so we don't want anyone to try the diets and then think it doesn't work all over a probotic standing in the way.... > > information helps us make the best decitions for our kids, just putting it all out there > > Recovering from Autism is a marathon > NOT a sprint, but FULLY possible! > Read more about it on my BLOGs at > http://www.myspace.com/christelking > http://foggyrock.com/MyPage/recoveringwishes > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=677063169 > > Re: Three-Lac anyone? > > > I have to add my 2 cents here. We love threelac and have been using it > for a year now with wonderful results. Each child is > different...you'll not know how it works with your child unless you > give it a try. Especially if you don't have problems with small > amounts of casien and strep. > > karen > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1798 - Release Date: 11/18/2008 8:59 PM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 threelac and enterococcus IS strep, even GOOD bacteria can trigger a PANDAS flare as it's MISINTERPETED! and produces the antibodies attacking the brain....I HAVE a kid with PANDAS, and a best aspie friend with PANDAS as well. (that I have to deal with when SHE is in flare) well versed on HOW it works....I live with it daily!! wink wink! this would be enough to cause issues (threelac) in kids with PANDAS. it IS an issue and HUNDREDS of families on many of the groups report INSTANT regression with using it DUE to the PANDAS. thus why I posted it Recovering from Autism is a marathonNOT a sprint, but FULLY possible!Read more about it on my BLOGs athttp://www.myspace.com/christelkinghttp://foggyrock.com/MyPage/recoveringwisheshttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=677063169 Re: Three-Lac anyone? I feel this is getting very off-track, so I'll attempt to pull itback. Strep is not the problem specific to Threelac, and the questionwas regarding problems associated with Threelac. The problemassociated with Threelac is not strep, but the bacteria enterococcusfaecalis.It is that specific bacteria that causes many DAN! doctors,practitioners and families not to choose Threelac. It may be a goodchoice for some families, but often not those with compromised immunesystems.Enterococcus faecalis was reclassified in 1984 when genomic DNAanalysis indicated that it was a separate genus classification, andnot strep. The word "streptococcus" only indicates the shape of thebacteria and it is the word that follows this, that indicates thetype. I think you worded it as, "strep something something..." - wellit's the "something, something" that's your indicator, and critical interms of identifying the strain of bacteria.Enterococcus faecalis is not strep. Regardless, the word "strep"alone, is meaningless and only indicates shape.Strep Group A is the group of bacteria linked to PANDAS. Many othertypes of strep are a natural part of our internal bacterialenvironment. Healthy bacteria is needed as a component of healthyflora for those with PANDAS too. >> the other streps you ALSO mentioned can also trigger PANDAS flaresas the body will still see them as pathagenic and produce antibodiesagainst them (even though they are NOT pathogenic) thus the problem> No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1798 - Release Date: 11/18/2008 8:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 hum not trying to scare.....it can be a trigger for making your kids worse. so just as families with one kid on spectrum I would warn about looking into vaccianting and get all the info with moving forward first I do the same with threelac. it has gotten INSTANT fame with ! so the good I feel is out there IN abundance. weekly I get letters THANKING me for putting it out there as they had never heard of it before and it FINALLY cleared things up for there kid. so my percausion would be to TEST for PANDAS prior to use as insurence will cover it, AND you don't loose money on a product you may not be able to use down the road. just as you would not revaccinate with out pulling titers. just info to prepare you! again there is still MORE Then the strep issue as well there is also the milk issue. so start SLOW and low with going in incase......AND know there are also OTHER high dose probotics WITHOUT the milk and strep lines that can be used, so it's not use this and SEE, or have nothing....you can still get the gains you see with threelac WITHOUT the risk of the negitives to it. klaire labs has a great product called detox support that can be used with out the risks with threelac for those wanting the good but nervous about the risks Recovering from Autism is a marathonNOT a sprint, but FULLY possible!Read more about it on my BLOGs athttp://www.myspace.com/christelkinghttp://foggyrock.com/MyPage/recoveringwisheshttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=677063169 Re: Three-Lac anyone?> > > I have to add my 2 cents here. We love threelac and have been using it > for a year now with wonderful results. Each child is > different...you'll not know how it works with your child unless you > give it a try. Especially if you don't have problems with small > amounts of casien and strep.> > karen> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1798 - Release Date: 11/18/2008 8:59 PM> No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1798 - Release Date: 11/18/2008 8:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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