Re: The right doctor?

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How do you find a hepatologist, all around here are GI hep combos.

J

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>Sue,

> > Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:43:20 +1000

> > From: " milko " <milko@...>

> >Subject: Re: Jody -

> >

> >Geri,

> >That experience with the new doctor sounds like it has given you some

>peace

> >of mind. It is good to hear you so positive. I'm glad all went well and

>you

> >are having some " hands on " doctoring.

> >Keep it up. When do you see him next?

> >SueB.

>

>Time will tell how the new doctor works out. He's my Hepatologist's

>personal physician which is interesting. Suddenly my Hepatologist is much

>more attentive and interested in everything I have to say. Both of them

>are fairly young and both went to UCLA med school. He asked me to come

>back in 2 weeks though I don't know why, except that he told me that I

>should have another CT scan to try to identify the source of the left-sided

>pain. However, I won't be able to see him again until the second week in

>September because we're going to be out of town. I hope he works out to be

>as thorough as he was by first appearance. You can usually tell a good

>doctor by how long it takes to get a first appointment. I had to wait 2

>months to see him for the first time.

>Take care,

>Geri

>

>

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Sue,

> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:43:20 +1000

> From: " milko " <milko@...>

>Subject: Re: Jody -

>

>Geri,

>That experience with the new doctor sounds like it has given you some peace

>of mind. It is good to hear you so positive. I'm glad all went well and you

>are having some " hands on " doctoring.

>Keep it up. When do you see him next?

>SueB.

Time will tell how the new doctor works out. He's my Hepatologist's

personal physician which is interesting. Suddenly my Hepatologist is much

more attentive and interested in everything I have to say. Both of them

are fairly young and both went to UCLA med school. He asked me to come

back in 2 weeks though I don't know why, except that he told me that I

should have another CT scan to try to identify the source of the left-sided

pain. However, I won't be able to see him again until the second week in

September because we're going to be out of town. I hope he works out to be

as thorough as he was by first appearance. You can usually tell a good

doctor by how long it takes to get a first appointment. I had to wait 2

months to see him for the first time.

Take care,

Geri

[Guest guest]

,

All Hepatologists are Gastroenterologists. However, not all

Gastroenterologists are Hepatologists. A Hepatologist is a GI doctor who

has a Fellowship in Hepatology. I understand there aren't that many

around. Mine is the only one in Nevada, I've been told.

Example: My doctor works with a group of GI specialists. One day I had to

see his associate but he wouldn't prescribe medication until he could talk

to my doctor, stating that " I'm not a Hepatologist " and explaining that

doesn't feel qualified to deal with AIH because of that.

If you're unsure about a doctor you're seeing, ask where he or she got his

or her Hepatology Fellowship.

Take care,

Geri

[Guest guest]

i would love to know about finding a pediatric hepatologist also because all

the docs we have seen for my 10 year old with AIH are GI specialists, not

hepatologists. we are in central florida and see the GI group at Shands

Hospital in Gainesville.

[Guest guest]

Geri,

Thank you for your response. Now it makes sense. I called the major

hospital near here. When I asked for a hepatologist, they said there were

none that were just hepatologists. Now i know how to proceed. Wish I knew

who is good and if they take medicaid.

J

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>,

>All Hepatologists are Gastroenterologists. However, not all

>Gastroenterologists are Hepatologists. A Hepatologist is a GI doctor who

>has a Fellowship in Hepatology. I understand there aren't that many

>around. Mine is the only one in Nevada, I've been told.

>

>Example: My doctor works with a group of GI specialists. One day I had to

>see his associate but he wouldn't prescribe medication until he could talk

>to my doctor, stating that " I'm not a Hepatologist " and explaining that

>doesn't feel qualified to deal with AIH because of that.

>

>If you're unsure about a doctor you're seeing, ask where he or she got his

>or her Hepatology Fellowship.

>Take care,

>Geri

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Geri,

Supposidly, the target victim for AIH is an adolescent teenage girl. Cason

was 3 years old and a male when they diagnosed him. Took them 5 months of

testing to finally come up with it. I'm not surprised that there are few

pediatric hepatologists around. I will definetly do that search and

hopefully come up with more information.

Thanks again,

[Guest guest]

Barbara Ann,

Do you know where they are located or if they have a web site, etc.?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Barbara Ann,

Thanks, I'll check it out.

[Guest guest]

,

I saw something on TV recently about a child who had a liver transplant and

until then I didn't realize there is such thing as a Pediatric

Hepatologist. One possible way of locating such specialist would be to go

to the ABMS (American Board of Medical Specialists (?) website, where they

list all of the Board certified doctors in the U.S. They have a locater

service. I don't know their URL but a web search can help you find them.

Take care,

Geri

[Guest guest]

I found the website, but no hepatologists listed in my area

J

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>

>,

>I saw something on TV recently about a child who had a liver transplant and

>until then I didn't realize there is such thing as a Pediatric

>Hepatologist. One possible way of locating such specialist would be to go

>to the ABMS (American Board of Medical Specialists (?) website, where they

>list all of the Board certified doctors in the U.S. They have a locater

>service. I don't know their URL but a web search can help you find them.

>Take care,

>Geri

>

>

>---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

If you're not already familiar with this organization

you might want to check it out. It's the childrens

liver association and support services.

Barbara Ann

AIH Transplant Recipient

http://www.classkids.org/

--- KPY@... wrote:

> From: KPY@...

>

> Geri,

> Supposidly, the target victim for AIH is an

> adolescent teenage girl. Cason

> was 3 years old and a male when they diagnosed him.

> Took them 5 months of

> testing to finally come up with it. I'm not

> surprised that there are few

> pediatric hepatologists around. I will definetly do

> that search and

> hopefully come up with more information.

> Thanks again,

[Guest guest]

,

The URL is below

http://www.classkids.org/

Barbara Ann

--- KPY@... wrote:

> From: KPY@...

>

> Barbara Ann,

> Do you know where they are located or if they have a

> web site, etc.?

> Thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

,

It's frightening to think that there could be many children and others out

there who haven't been correctly diagnosed and thus properly treated for

AIH. What a shock it must have been to you to find out that your little

boy had this disease. On the plus side, AIH can very often be treated or

at least put on hold vs. other liver diseases that aren't so responsive.

Your present doctor(s) must have had a bit on the ball to manage a

diagnosis. A Hepatologist would be great, but if you think that he's

already getting adequate care, you should be safe. Still, a confirming

opinion or a Hepatologist to oversee the meds and evaluate the level of his

condition could be very helpful. What about calling the University of

Miami med school and asking them if they have a Pediatric Hepatologist on

staff, or if they can refer you to one? I've heard that they have an

excellent Hepatology and liver disease department. Several people who post

here live in Florida, so they might be able to tell you if I'm suggesting

the right place.

Sorry that the ABMS didn't yield any names. I didn't know there was such

animal as a Hepatologist and probably never would have known if my original

GI doctor hadn't been wise enough to admit that he didn't feel qualified to

treat my AIH. But, I'm certain that there must be GI doctors who aren't

specifically Hepatologists, but who still know a lot about liver disease

and hopefully AIH.

Hope you can get the information you need. Perhaps someone else will come

up with some helpful suggestions - I hope so!

Take care,

Geri

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

Kenda's ND will work with you by phone. He's not

cheap, but from everything I hear, he's very good.

He'll talk to you, then send you what you need to do

tests that will help him understand what's going on

with you.

There's no getting around how expensive this crap is!

.. . .

Have you tried eating raw garlic? . . Oil of Oregano?

.. . Espom salt baths? . . . fasting? . . . probiotics?

.. . . sugar free diet? . . . are you getting deep

sleep nightly? . . .

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

I think Patty may have posted this, but it's a link for a Dr.

Fuhrman in Flemington, NJ, which is probably about an hour from

where you live (maybe an hour and a half). I've been thinking of

going to see him as well. I'm not sure what he charges per visit -

I don't think he participates in my plan. New Jersey doesn't

license naturopath's, either, but Dr. Fuhrman is an MD, so maybe he

participates in your plan.

http://www.drfuhrman.com

Sis

--- In , " Cherie " <cheriesut@y...>

wrote:

>

> Hi - I need to find a doctor, but don't know what to do. I

checked

> the lists through the links from Patty, I found out that ND's

cannot

> be licensed in PA, so there really aren't any. The one woman I

> found on that list actually practices in CA, but comes to PA every

> two months, she also charges $150 an hour, plus I would imagine

the

> cost of any treatment or supplements. My general doc really can't

> help me, my rheumatologist definitely can't help me, the

> chiropractor/kenesiologist was not helping me and was getting

> extremely expensive. My pain is just so bad that I can hardly

think

> clearly to make a decision about anything.

>

> I am interested in what you think about Ginger's question about

> antihistamines and could they prevent healing? I also take them

> regularly for allergies. I also take them to stop the effects of

> the pain killers which I am allergic to. I think I am only

harming

> myself. I feel like I am trapped in a cycle of pain, allergies,

and

> taking meds that I'm allergic to. I need to try something soon,

as

> I feel I am actually becoming disabled!

>

> Do you think I am able to ride this out trying different

> supplements - or maybe stopping all allergy and pain meds? I

can't

> think of a single doc that would understand the disease process

> caused by the implants.

> Cherie

>

[Guest guest]

P.S. Take a look at the different pages he's got on his site,

especially " Reverse Diseases " , he mentioned arthritis, and then

under " other diseases " he lists autoimmune illnesses.

Sis

--- In , " Cherie " <cheriesut@y...>

wrote:

>

> Hi - I need to find a doctor, but don't know what to do. I

checked

> the lists through the links from Patty, I found out that ND's

cannot

> be licensed in PA, so there really aren't any. The one woman I

> found on that list actually practices in CA, but comes to PA every

> two months, she also charges $150 an hour, plus I would imagine

the

> cost of any treatment or supplements. My general doc really can't

> help me, my rheumatologist definitely can't help me, the

> chiropractor/kenesiologist was not helping me and was getting

> extremely expensive. My pain is just so bad that I can hardly

think

> clearly to make a decision about anything.

>

> I am interested in what you think about Ginger's question about

> antihistamines and could they prevent healing? I also take them

> regularly for allergies. I also take them to stop the effects of

> the pain killers which I am allergic to. I think I am only

harming

> myself. I feel like I am trapped in a cycle of pain, allergies,

and

> taking meds that I'm allergic to. I need to try something soon,

as

> I feel I am actually becoming disabled!

>

> Do you think I am able to ride this out trying different

> supplements - or maybe stopping all allergy and pain meds? I

can't

> think of a single doc that would understand the disease process

> caused by the implants.

> Cherie

>

[Guest guest]

Is the woman Kane? Is it the Haverford Wellness Center in

Havertown?

One of our members, Anita, took her son to see Dr. Kane there in

Pennsylvania. She lives here in Las Vegas, and I had intended to

hook up with her before the holidays to see how they fared with the

Kane protocol. From what I had heard, he had seen some

significant improvements.

Cherie, it is so hard to know how well you will do by going totally

drug free and relying on your body to swing back to its own state of

health. Some women can do that and others suffer very much for

trying. I wish I knew what to tell you that would work, but my

feeling is that the more toxic you are, the less you put into your

body. I think our bodies want to get back to health, but sometimes

we throw so much at it that it just gums up all the delicate

workings.

The only thing I know that worked for me was to trust in God to show

me the path I should take. I had total peace about those things I

tried. If you feel nervous or uncomfortable about something, it

probably won't work for you (although of course, there are times

when we have alot of skepticism only to be pleasantly suprised!)

But overall, I think we need to have alot of faith in what we are

doing. There is something about trusting in God, rather than man

for answers that gives me a sense of fulfillment and satisfaction.

And, it was the only thing that worked for me.

I'll be praying for you!

Patty

--- In , " Cherie " <cheriesut@y...>

wrote:

>

> Hi - I need to find a doctor, but don't know what to do. I

checked

> the lists through the links from Patty, I found out that ND's

cannot

> be licensed in PA, so there really aren't any. The one woman I

> found on that list actually practices in CA, but comes to PA every

> two months, she also charges $150 an hour, plus I would imagine

the

> cost of any treatment or supplements. My general doc really can't

> help me, my rheumatologist definitely can't help me, the

> chiropractor/kenesiologist was not helping me and was getting

> extremely expensive. My pain is just so bad that I can hardly

think

> clearly to make a decision about anything.

>

> I am interested in what you think about Ginger's question about

> antihistamines and could they prevent healing? I also take them

> regularly for allergies. I also take them to stop the effects of

> the pain killers which I am allergic to. I think I am only

harming

> myself. I feel like I am trapped in a cycle of pain, allergies,

and

> taking meds that I'm allergic to. I need to try something soon,

as

> I feel I am actually becoming disabled!

>

> Do you think I am able to ride this out trying different

> supplements - or maybe stopping all allergy and pain meds? I

can't

> think of a single doc that would understand the disease process

> caused by the implants.

> Cherie

>

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

Have you tried (and I know this will sound gross, but it works)

coffee enemas?

They are reputed to be a great reliever of pain.

If you want more info, please let me know. I have tons of

experience with them, and can give you supportive data if that is

what you need.

When my naturopathic doctor first suggested coffee enemas to me (and

this was within my first two visits!), I thought he was a freaking

weirdo! I told him, " Thanks but no thanks! " I got into juicing

instead. But then I read about the Juiceman, Jay Kordich, who healed

his cancer using the Gerson therapy, and when I did more research

into that, I was amazed! Coffee enemas are vital to healing from

cancer!

So, anyway, let me know if you want more info....I believe Kacey

Long told me that coffee enemas helped with her pain greatly!

Patty

--- In , " Cherie " <cheriesut@y...>

wrote:

>

> Hi - I need to find a doctor, but don't know what to do. I

checked

> the lists through the links from Patty, I found out that ND's

cannot

> be licensed in PA, so there really aren't any. The one woman I

> found on that list actually practices in CA, but comes to PA every

> two months, she also charges $150 an hour, plus I would imagine

the

> cost of any treatment or supplements. My general doc really can't

> help me, my rheumatologist definitely can't help me, the

> chiropractor/kenesiologist was not helping me and was getting

> extremely expensive. My pain is just so bad that I can hardly

think

> clearly to make a decision about anything.

>

> I am interested in what you think about Ginger's question about

> antihistamines and could they prevent healing? I also take them

> regularly for allergies. I also take them to stop the effects of

> the pain killers which I am allergic to. I think I am only

harming

> myself. I feel like I am trapped in a cycle of pain, allergies,

and

> taking meds that I'm allergic to. I need to try something soon,

as

> I feel I am actually becoming disabled!

>

> Do you think I am able to ride this out trying different

> supplements - or maybe stopping all allergy and pain meds? I

can't

> think of a single doc that would understand the disease process

> caused by the implants.

> Cherie

>

[Guest guest]

Sis - I just took a look at his website. I am printing some pages

so that I can sit comfortably and read it when I am done working.

Thanks.

Cherie

> >

> > Hi - I need to find a doctor, but don't know what to do. I

> checked

> > the lists through the links from Patty, I found out that ND's

> cannot

> > be licensed in PA, so there really aren't any. The one woman I

> > found on that list actually practices in CA, but comes to PA

every

> > two months, she also charges $150 an hour, plus I would imagine

> the

> > cost of any treatment or supplements. My general doc really

can't

> > help me, my rheumatologist definitely can't help me, the

> > chiropractor/kenesiologist was not helping me and was getting

> > extremely expensive. My pain is just so bad that I can hardly

> think

> > clearly to make a decision about anything.

> >

> > I am interested in what you think about Ginger's question about

> > antihistamines and could they prevent healing? I also take them

> > regularly for allergies. I also take them to stop the effects

of

> > the pain killers which I am allergic to. I think I am only

> harming

> > myself. I feel like I am trapped in a cycle of pain, allergies,

> and

> > taking meds that I'm allergic to. I need to try something soon,

> as

> > I feel I am actually becoming disabled!

> >

> > Do you think I am able to ride this out trying different

> > supplements - or maybe stopping all allergy and pain meds? I

> can't

> > think of a single doc that would understand the disease process

> > caused by the implants.

> > Cherie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Rogene - actually no I haven't tried everything you listed. I

guess I should before I spend a fortune on doctors. I have tried

Epsom salt baths - which are comforting. I have not tried fasting

or gone completely sugar free. Maybe I could try the two could go

hand in hand. I am desperate to try something. Do I just drink

water and green tea? and for how long should I try this. I don't

know if I have the will to go without food.

Thanks

>

> Cherie,

>

> Kenda's ND will work with you by phone. He's not

> cheap, but from everything I hear, he's very good.

> He'll talk to you, then send you what you need to do

> tests that will help him understand what's going on

> with you.

>

> There's no getting around how expensive this crap is!

> . . .

>

> Have you tried eating raw garlic? . . Oil of Oregano?

> . . Espom salt baths? . . . fasting? . . . probiotics?

> . . . sugar free diet? . . . are you getting deep

> sleep nightly? . . .

>

> Hugs and prayers,

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

You are in a cycle of pain, disease and medications. You are going to need

to detox in order to clear up the diseases that are causing pain,

necessitating medications. You can start by changing to an organic diet,

eliminating junk and processed foods and drinking lots of pure water. It

seems to me that you really do need the assistance of an ND that can steer

you towards supplements geared toward your particular needs. I know I

couldn't have healed myself without the assistance of Dr. Leu. I had way

too many problems to know where to start. Even now that I am very healthy,

I still need his help in staying that way.

I gave you Dr. Leu's contact information in a previous email. You can

contact him if you desire, or take the advice of someone else here but I

would do something to get on the right track. The sooner you commit to a

treatment plan, the sooner you will begin to feel better.

Kenda

> Hi - I need to find a doctor, but don't know what to do. I checked

> the lists through the links from Patty, I found out that ND's cannot

> be licensed in PA, so there really aren't any. The one woman I

> found on that list actually practices in CA, but comes to PA every

> two months, she also charges $150 an hour, plus I would imagine the

> cost of any treatment or supplements. My general doc really can't

> help me, my rheumatologist definitely can't help me, the

> chiropractor/kenesiologist was not helping me and was getting

> extremely expensive. My pain is just so bad that I can hardly think

> clearly to make a decision about anything.

>

> I am interested in what you think about Ginger's question about

> antihistamines and could they prevent healing? I also take them

> regularly for allergies. I also take them to stop the effects of

> the pain killers which I am allergic to. I think I am only harming

> myself. I feel like I am trapped in a cycle of pain, allergies, and

> taking meds that I'm allergic to. I need to try something soon, as

> I feel I am actually becoming disabled!

>

> Do you think I am able to ride this out trying different

> supplements - or maybe stopping all allergy and pain meds? I can't

> think of a single doc that would understand the disease process

> caused by the implants.

> Cherie

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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>

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

Dr. Fuhrman is an expert on fasting, and would probably know what

would work for you regarding the whole detoxing and healing aspect

of it. Since he has done fasts himself and has helped many people

attain healing, it might be worth a consult with him, just to see

what he thinks. Since he is an MD as well, it might even be covered

by your insurance!

I know what Kenda is saying....all I know is that fasting was one of

the first things that my naturopath had me do, and after I moved on

to other therapies to see if they could help, (I admit that fasting

isn't very fun), I saw no progress for months and hit a plateau that

made me feel like I was failing and staying sick, sick, sick. It

wasn't until I picked up on total water fasting again that I saw a

kick start in my healing again and I was able to move on to greater

and greater health recovery.

Just my experience! That's really all I've got! If you do decide to

go on a fast without consulting Dr. Fuhrman first, I would suggest

at the least reading his book first so you have a greater

understanding of the whole process. It is very important that a

fast be done correctly!

Patty

--- In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...>

wrote:

>

> Cherie,

>

> Simply cleaning up your diet and eliminating sugar will free your

body of

> additional toxins you put into it. Your body needs to work to get

rid of

> the toxins already in it. If you eat poorly, you are adding an

additional

> load.

>

> As toxic as you are now, I don't know that I would opt for a fast,

it would

> likely make you very sick. Also, water fasts are much more

traumatic for

> the body, if you choose to do a fast right now, I'd definitely

make it a

> fresh squeezed fruit and vegetable fast along with vegetable broth

and lots

> of water.

>

> Kenda

>

> > Rogene - actually no I haven't tried everything you listed. I

> > guess I should before I spend a fortune on doctors. I have tried

> > Epsom salt baths - which are comforting. I have not tried

fasting

> > or gone completely sugar free. Maybe I could try the two could

go

> > hand in hand. I am desperate to try something. Do I just drink

> > water and green tea? and for how long should I try this. I

don't

> > know if I have the will to go without food.

> > Thanks

> > --- In , Rogene S <saxony01@y...>

wrote:

> >>

> >> Cherie,

> >>

> >> Kenda's ND will work with you by phone. He's not

> >> cheap, but from everything I hear, he's very good.

> >> He'll talk to you, then send you what you need to do

> >> tests that will help him understand what's going on

> >> with you.

> >>

> >> There's no getting around how expensive this crap is!

> >> . . .

> >>

> >> Have you tried eating raw garlic? . . Oil of Oregano?

> >> . . Espom salt baths? . . . fasting? . . . probiotics?

> >> . . . sugar free diet? . . . are you getting deep

> >> sleep nightly? . . .

> >>

> >> Hugs and prayers,

> >>

> >> Rogene

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by licensed

> > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

health care

> > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you.

> > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

how to live a

> > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

two-time

> > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> > http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Kenda - I agree, I do need to get onto a treatment plan - quickly.

I would like to find a doc that I can actually see, but would also

be willing to use Dr. Leu by phone. I must have missed the actual e-

mail with his contact info, I'm sorry.

Sis, I checked into Dr. Fuhrman's website, and he looks great, so I

called. They want $380 for an hour consultation, which is just too

much for me.

Patty, I am going to look into the Havertown Wellness Center - that

would be close by. I'll let you know what I find out. It is just

so hard to think straight right now to make decisions and move on

things.

Thanks - and hugs,

Cherie

--- In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...>

wrote:

>

> Cherie,

>

> You are in a cycle of pain, disease and medications. You are

going to need

> to detox in order to clear up the diseases that are causing pain,

> necessitating medications. You can start by changing to an

organic diet,

> eliminating junk and processed foods and drinking lots of pure

water. It

> seems to me that you really do need the assistance of an ND that

can steer

> you towards supplements geared toward your particular needs. I

know I

> couldn't have healed myself without the assistance of Dr. Leu. I

had way

> too many problems to know where to start. Even now that I am very

healthy,

> I still need his help in staying that way.

>

> I gave you Dr. Leu's contact information in a previous email. You

can

> contact him if you desire, or take the advice of someone else here

but I

> would do something to get on the right track. The sooner you

commit to a

> treatment plan, the sooner you will begin to feel better.

>

> Kenda

>

> > Hi - I need to find a doctor, but don't know what to do. I

checked

> > the lists through the links from Patty, I found out that ND's

cannot

> > be licensed in PA, so there really aren't any. The one woman I

> > found on that list actually practices in CA, but comes to PA

every

> > two months, she also charges $150 an hour, plus I would imagine

the

> > cost of any treatment or supplements. My general doc really can't

> > help me, my rheumatologist definitely can't help me, the

> > chiropractor/kenesiologist was not helping me and was getting

> > extremely expensive. My pain is just so bad that I can hardly

think

> > clearly to make a decision about anything.

> >

> > I am interested in what you think about Ginger's question about

> > antihistamines and could they prevent healing? I also take them

> > regularly for allergies. I also take them to stop the effects of

> > the pain killers which I am allergic to. I think I am only

harming

> > myself. I feel like I am trapped in a cycle of pain, allergies,

and

> > taking meds that I'm allergic to. I need to try something soon,

as

> > I feel I am actually becoming disabled!

> >

> > Do you think I am able to ride this out trying different

> > supplements - or maybe stopping all allergy and pain meds? I

can't

> > think of a single doc that would understand the disease process

> > caused by the implants.

> > Cherie

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by licensed

> > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

health care

> > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you.

> > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

how to live a

> > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

two-time

> > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> > http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Kenda - I have eliminated processed foods and use organic

everything. I am still eating a small amount of organic sugar.

Sometimes I feel like there's just nothing to eat - I have

eliminated almost everything. I am going to try not taking any pain

meds or benadryl, and see what happens.

--- In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...>

wrote:

>

> Cherie,

>

> Simply cleaning up your diet and eliminating sugar will free your

body of

> additional toxins you put into it. Your body needs to work to get

rid of

> the toxins already in it. If you eat poorly, you are adding an

additional

> load.

>

> As toxic as you are now, I don't know that I would opt for a fast,

it would

> likely make you very sick. Also, water fasts are much more

traumatic for

> the body, if you choose to do a fast right now, I'd definitely

make it a

> fresh squeezed fruit and vegetable fast along with vegetable broth

and lots

> of water.

>

> Kenda

>

> > Rogene - actually no I haven't tried everything you listed. I

> > guess I should before I spend a fortune on doctors. I have tried

> > Epsom salt baths - which are comforting. I have not tried

fasting

> > or gone completely sugar free. Maybe I could try the two could

go

> > hand in hand. I am desperate to try something. Do I just drink

> > water and green tea? and for how long should I try this. I

don't

> > know if I have the will to go without food.

> > Thanks

> > --- In , Rogene S <saxony01@y...>

wrote:

> >>

> >> Cherie,

> >>

> >> Kenda's ND will work with you by phone. He's not

> >> cheap, but from everything I hear, he's very good.

> >> He'll talk to you, then send you what you need to do

> >> tests that will help him understand what's going on

> >> with you.

> >>

> >> There's no getting around how expensive this crap is!

> >> . . .

> >>

> >> Have you tried eating raw garlic? . . Oil of Oregano?

> >> . . Espom salt baths? . . . fasting? . . . probiotics?

> >> . . . sugar free diet? . . . are you getting deep

> >> sleep nightly? . . .

> >>

> >> Hugs and prayers,

> >>

> >> Rogene

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by licensed

> > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

health care

> > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you.

> > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

how to live a

> > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

two-time

> > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> > http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Cherie - Yikes, I was afraid he'd be expensive, since he's written a

book and is involved with the media alot. I can't swing that,

either!

Kenda, thanks for the info on Dr. Leu. I'm going to contact him as

well.

Sis

> >>

> >> Cherie,

> >>

> >> You are in a cycle of pain, disease and medications. You are

> > going to need

> >> to detox in order to clear up the diseases that are causing

pain,

> >> necessitating medications. You can start by changing to an

> > organic diet,

> >> eliminating junk and processed foods and drinking lots of pure

> > water. It

> >> seems to me that you really do need the assistance of an ND that

> > can steer

> >> you towards supplements geared toward your particular needs. I

> > know I

> >> couldn't have healed myself without the assistance of Dr.

Leu. I

> > had way

> >> too many problems to know where to start. Even now that I am

very

> > healthy,

> >> I still need his help in staying that way.

> >>

> >> I gave you Dr. Leu's contact information in a previous email.

You

> > can

> >> contact him if you desire, or take the advice of someone else

here

> > but I

> >> would do something to get on the right track. The sooner you

> > commit to a

> >> treatment plan, the sooner you will begin to feel better.

> >>

> >> Kenda

> >>

> >>> Hi - I need to find a doctor, but don't know what to do. I

> > checked

> >>> the lists through the links from Patty, I found out that ND's

> > cannot

> >>> be licensed in PA, so there really aren't any. The one woman I

> >>> found on that list actually practices in CA, but comes to PA

> > every

> >>> two months, she also charges $150 an hour, plus I would imagine

> > the

> >>> cost of any treatment or supplements. My general doc really

can't

> >>> help me, my rheumatologist definitely can't help me, the

> >>> chiropractor/kenesiologist was not helping me and was getting

> >>> extremely expensive. My pain is just so bad that I can hardly

> > think

> >>> clearly to make a decision about anything.

> >>>

> >>> I am interested in what you think about Ginger's question about

> >>> antihistamines and could they prevent healing? I also take

them

> >>> regularly for allergies. I also take them to stop the effects

of

> >>> the pain killers which I am allergic to. I think I am only

> > harming

> >>> myself. I feel like I am trapped in a cycle of pain,

allergies,

> > and

> >>> taking meds that I'm allergic to. I need to try something

soon,

> > as

> >>> I feel I am actually becoming disabled!

> >>>

> >>> Do you think I am able to ride this out trying different

> >>> supplements - or maybe stopping all allergy and pain meds? I

> > can't

> >>> think of a single doc that would understand the disease process

> >>> caused by the implants.

> >>> Cherie

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> > given by licensed

> >>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> > health care

> >>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>

> >>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > mislead you.

> >>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> > how to live a

> >>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

ing,

> > two-time

> >>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>

> >>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

link:

> >>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> >>>

> >>>