Re: ---you mentioned about rashes

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Hi ,

By reading your reply to on the topic---sour milk, I noticed that you mentioned about Ty's rashes on and off...

My son is having a massive rashes on his entire back, and arms and shoulders for 3 days now. A week ago, I asked Dr. Peng to modify my son's herb combination geared toward to cognition and intelligence direction. However, after 2 days of doeages of the new herb combo, my son reacted with more aggitation and anxiety, so we stopped the new herb and back to his old, regular herbs. My son's mental status is back to calm, happy and normal, can focus and speak as usual when he was on his old herb combo.

But, he started to have rashes, no fever, no complaint... I wonder if that new herb somehow pushed more toxin out and rashes are the die-off...

What do you think?

Sincerely, Rei

, I don't know about the sour milk role, butI will share our experience on herb change. Ty wasshowing nice tea benefits with our first 2 wk. batchand then our Dr. (not Peng) changed his second 2 wk.batch a week ago. He added in more medicinal herbswith an antibiotic effect to address Ty's bacterialissues and the die off that ensued with the firstbatch of tea. While we continue to see nice underlyinggains (potty successes), his "mini wows" of jointattention and engagement are not as prevelant (stillbetter than before we began the tea, but not as great as2 wks. ago). We are dealing with some sort of rashon and off, and his butt pimples are coming andgoing, so I can only surmise that we are again dealing with some die off. My Dr. did tell me thatthe healing process was a long one with the herbs,so I guess like any intervention I have tried throughthe years, it is difficult to be

"on top of" thesituation and still keep a blind eye. I always havethe supplement pull in the back of my mind, but honestly, I cannot say we have seen any true regressionoff of them - that alone messes with me mentally, lol,as I truly can't believe he is the same, if not betterin certain areas, off of them. It goes against my biomedwarrior nature, and yet I do remember the Dr. tellingme in our initial visit that the herbs are actuallypacked with vitamins and minerals the body needs, soI rationalize that in fact, he isn't really off ofsupplements after all. Something is truly happening with his gut healing, thatmuch I am sure of. And so we wait and watch the restplay out. He is not worse cognitively than when onall of his supps., but I sure would like to see a progresssurge happen (wouldn't we all!). Maybe the herbs are so effective with the gut thatthey dealt with the sour milk

episode more effectivelyand caused an intense reaction? Hang in there!

>> Sorry if this is long, but I want to be sure to include all of the > facts. I am not sure what to do, and am hoping someone can think of > something I may have missed > > I started my 17-year-old on Dr. Peng's herbs around three weeks ago. > When we started them, my daughter was actually doing better than she > had been doing for years...she was happy, maturing, and her OCD was > under control. I decided to start her on the herbs b/c she has a bad > bacteria in her gut (I didn't want to put her on antibiotics) plus > she has yeast/intestinal issues. I was also hoping to get her > congestion under control with the herbs. My biggest hesitation was > similar to

others on here, which is stopping her supplements. But I > decided to try them anyway, just keep a close eye on her. > > We got our first shipment, and it was slow going b/c I was giving her > too much so she wasn't feeling very good. Once we got that leveled > out things were better; however, her stomache aches and congestion > were still there, but they were a little bit better. She seemed to > be doing okay w/o all of her supplements, and I dare say maybe even a > bit better in the areas of maturity and calmness, organization, etc. > When I called to order more tea, he mentioned that he was going to > change it, adding something more to try to combat her stomach aches. > > When I got the new batch, it was visibly different. There were only > a few herbs that I recognized from the first batch, and it was a > completely

different color and smell when cooking. According to my > daughter this batch tasted really bad compared to the first one. > Anyway, she started the new batch on Friday, and all seemed fine. > Saturday and Sunday were fine. In fact, they were great. Her > stomach seemed to be a bit better on Sunday. > > The problem started Sunday evening after she ate a bowl of cereal. > We are not on any diets; we've tried several and haven't had any > noticeable improvements with them. Anyway, she ate a bowl of cereal > commenting that the milk tasted funny, but I just bought the milk, so > I told her it was fine, w/o checking to be sure. But shortly after > eating the cereal, she started to get aggitated and to make a long > story short she had a complete emotional meltdown, such that I > haven't seen in a really long time. She has a good friend she

turns > to when she feels like this, and she was talking to her on the phone > when I finally quit eavesdropping and went to bed around 11:30. By > then she sounded like she had it under control. But morning she said > she was up till 3:30, she said she had some sort of anxiety/OCD > attack. She said she couldn't sleep b/c she was obsessing over > things, reliving bad memories, and using her hands to "vacuum" her > floor, until her hands were raw. This has never happened to her > before, and it completely freaked her out. It scares me when she > has "bad thoughts" b/c that usually leads her to becoming suicidal, > but I didn't hear her say anything like that to her friend last > night. It wasn't until my husband went to have a bowl of cereal this > morning that he discovered the milk was bad.> > I know it sounds weird but I'm

wondering if the milk somehow played a > role in triggering this attack??? It could be the new tea as well, > but it seems like if there was something in the tea that was going to > affect her this adversely that it would have happened right away, not > three days into it. Any thoughts?? > > Sorry it's so long >

-- Ormonde, L.Ac.www.AuburnCommunity Acupuncture. com

[Guest guest]

Rei, I just spoke with our tcm Dr. and he said the

itching and rash for Ty is organ detox, said " the body

is hot " . He is going to add in something to his next

batch which we will pick up Saturday to address this.

Funny, he woke up at 4am this morning (early wakings

are rare here, usually during heavy detox). I am

going to take a UTM on him this afternoon to send in.

> >

> > Sorry if this is long, but I want to be sure to include all of

the

> > facts. I am not sure what to do, and am hoping someone can think

> of

> > something I may have missed

> >

> > I started my 17-year-old on Dr. Peng's herbs around three weeks

> ago.

> > When we started them, my daughter was actually doing better than

> she

> > had been doing for years...she was happy, maturing, and her OCD

> was

> > under control. I decided to start her on the herbs b/c she has a

> bad

> > bacteria in her gut (I didn't want to put her on antibiotics)

plus

> > she has yeast/intestinal issues. I was also hoping to get her

> > congestion under control with the herbs. My biggest hesitation

> was

> > similar to others on here, which is stopping her supplements. But

> I

> > decided to try them anyway, just keep a close eye on her.

> >

> > We got our first shipment, and it was slow going b/c I was giving

> her

> > too much so she wasn't feeling very good. Once we got that

> leveled

> > out things were better; however, her stomache aches and

congestion

> > were still there, but they were a little bit better. She seemed

> to

> > be doing okay w/o all of her supplements, and I dare say maybe

> even a

> > bit better in the areas of maturity and calmness, organization,

> etc.

> > When I called to order more tea, he mentioned that he was going

to

> > change it, adding something more to try to combat her stomach

> aches.

> >

> > When I got the new batch, it was visibly different. There were

> only

> > a few herbs that I recognized from the first batch, and it was a

> > completely different color and smell when cooking. According to

> my

> > daughter this batch tasted really bad compared to the first one.

> > Anyway, she started the new batch on Friday, and all seemed fine.

> > Saturday and Sunday were fine. In fact, they were great. Her

> > stomach seemed to be a bit better on Sunday.

> >

> > The problem started Sunday evening after she ate a bowl of

> cereal.

> > We are not on any diets; we've tried several and haven't had any

> > noticeable improvements with them. Anyway, she ate a bowl of

> cereal

> > commenting that the milk tasted funny, but I just bought the

milk,

> so

> > I told her it was fine, w/o checking to be sure. But shortly

> after

> > eating the cereal, she started to get aggitated and to make a

long

> > story short she had a complete emotional meltdown, such that I

> > haven't seen in a really long time. She has a good friend she

> turns

> > to when she feels like this, and she was talking to her on the

> phone

> > when I finally quit eavesdropping and went to bed around 11:30.

> By

> > then she sounded like she had it under control. But morning she

> said

> > she was up till 3:30, she said she had some sort of anxiety/OCD

> > attack. She said she couldn't sleep b/c she was obsessing over

> > things, reliving bad memories, and using her hands to " vacuum "

her

> > floor, until her hands were raw. This has never happened to her

> > before, and it completely freaked her out. It scares me when she

> > has " bad thoughts " b/c that usually leads her to becoming

> suicidal,

> > but I didn't hear her say anything like that to her friend last

> > night. It wasn't until my husband went to have a bowl of cereal

> this

> > morning that he discovered the milk was bad.

> >

> > I know it sounds weird but I'm wondering if the milk somehow

> played a

> > role in triggering this attack??? It could be the new tea as

> well,

> > but it seems like if there was something in the tea that was

going

> to

> > affect her this adversely that it would have happened right away,

> not

> > three days into it. Any thoughts??

> >

> > Sorry it's so long

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> --

> Ormonde, L.Ac.

> www.AuburnCommunity Acupuncture. com

>

[Guest guest]

Rei - I don't think my Dr. is actually referring to

" organ detox " like we think of it, as in toxin detox

equals rash in autism biomed. He was using terms like organ

Qi rebalancing, the body is " Hot " - my Dr does that a lot

actually (speak theoretically about TCM) , and I don't always

understand him (his chinese accent is very thick to boot which

doesn't help).

I took from the conversation that my son's rashes were more

along the line of a healing effect from the TCM ideaology,

not actual toxins being rid thru feces (even though I

believe detox does happen) - does that make sense?

-- In mb12 valtrex , Rei wrote:

>

> I am glad to know that these rashes could be the sign of organ

detox.

>  

> Well, I discussed with Dr. Peng senior this morning, he thought

that the rashes are not the sign of detox. Per his herb

prescription, toxins will be pushed out through BM, not going

through skin level ( like rashes). My son's BM did show some

abnormal form and smell, per Dr. Peng, that is the detox sign. So,

Dr. Peng thought the rashes may be a sign of allergy to food or

certain mold. He asked us to see our pedi first and see if we get

the allergy down.

>  

> He did not tell me that he will be away from town for 2 weeks

today. I will call him tomorrow and make sure we get our herb

supplies enough, too....

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Rei

>  

>

>

>

> Subject: Re: ---you mentioned about rashes

> To: mb12 valtrex

> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 2:47 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Rei, I just spoke with our tcm Dr. and he said the

> itching and rash for Ty is organ detox, said " the body

> is hot " . He is going to add in something to his next

> batch which we will pick up Saturday to address this.

> Funny, he woke up at 4am this morning (early wakings

> are rare here, usually during heavy detox). I am

> going to take a UTM on him this afternoon to send in.

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Sorry if this is long, but I want to be sure to include all of

> the

> > > facts. I am not sure what to do, and am hoping someone can

think

> > of

> > > something I may have missed

> > >

> > > I started my 17-year-old on Dr. Peng's herbs around three

weeks

> > ago.

> > > When we started them, my daughter was actually doing better

than

> > she

> > > had been doing for years...she was happy, maturing, and her

OCD

> > was

> > > under control. I decided to start her on the herbs b/c she has

a

> > bad

> > > bacteria in her gut (I didn't want to put her on antibiotics)

> plus

> > > she has yeast/intestinal issues. I was also hoping to get her

> > > congestion under control with the herbs. My biggest hesitation

> > was

> > > similar to others on here, which is stopping her supplements.

But

> > I

> > > decided to try them anyway, just keep a close eye on her.

> > >

> > > We got our first shipment, and it was slow going b/c I was

giving

> > her

> > > too much so she wasn't feeling very good. Once we got that

> > leveled

> > > out things were better; however, her stomache aches and

> congestion

> > > were still there, but they were a little bit better. She

seemed

> > to

> > > be doing okay w/o all of her supplements, and I dare say maybe

> > even a

> > > bit better in the areas of maturity and calmness,

organization,

> > etc.

> > > When I called to order more tea, he mentioned that he was

going

> to

> > > change it, adding something more to try to combat her stomach

> > aches.

> > >

> > > When I got the new batch, it was visibly different. There were

> > only

> > > a few herbs that I recognized from the first batch, and it was

a

> > > completely different color and smell when cooking. According

to

> > my

> > > daughter this batch tasted really bad compared to the first

one.

> > > Anyway, she started the new batch on Friday, and all seemed

fine.

> > > Saturday and Sunday were fine. In fact, they were great. Her

> > > stomach seemed to be a bit better on Sunday.

> > >

> > > The problem started Sunday evening after she ate a bowl of

> > cereal.

> > > We are not on any diets; we've tried several and haven't had

any

> > > noticeable improvements with them. Anyway, she ate a bowl of

> > cereal

> > > commenting that the milk tasted funny, but I just bought the

> milk,

> > so

> > > I told her it was fine, w/o checking to be sure. But shortly

> > after

> > > eating the cereal, she started to get aggitated and to make a

> long

> > > story short she had a complete emotional meltdown, such that I

> > > haven't seen in a really long time. She has a good friend she

> > turns

> > > to when she feels like this, and she was talking to her on the

> > phone

> > > when I finally quit eavesdropping and went to bed around

11:30.

> > By

> > > then she sounded like she had it under control. But morning

she

> > said

> > > she was up till 3:30, she said she had some sort of

anxiety/OCD

> > > attack. She said she couldn't sleep b/c she was obsessing over

> > > things, reliving bad memories, and using her hands to " vacuum "

> her

> > > floor, until her hands were raw. This has never happened to

her

> > > before, and it completely freaked her out. It scares me when

she

> > > has " bad thoughts " b/c that usually leads her to becoming

> > suicidal,

> > > but I didn't hear her say anything like that to her friend

last

> > > night. It wasn't until my husband went to have a bowl of

cereal

> > this

> > > morning that he discovered the milk was bad.

> > >

> > > I know it sounds weird but I'm wondering if the milk somehow

> > played a

> > > role in triggering this attack??? It could be the new tea as

> > well,

> > > but it seems like if there was something in the tea that was

> going

> > to

> > > affect her this adversely that it would have happened right

away,

> > not

> > > three days into it. Any thoughts??

> > >

> > > Sorry it's so long

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Ormonde, L.Ac.

> > www.AuburnCommunity Acupuncture. com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

This is the case with us, too (not the rash but the communication

difference.) It is like speaking a different language (2 actually when

you add in the Chinese). I don't always get what our doctor is saying

because I don't understand TCM. At first I wanted to think it was

ridiculous that our TCM doctor could assess anything about our dc's

bodies by looking at their hands, but then I realized that American

docs do the same thing basically. I can't tell you how many times I

had my dc at their former pediatrician because there were serious

things wrong with them and he did his typical exam and declared them

healthy with nothing to be concerned about just by doing a cursory

physical exam. So western doctors also assess based on skin tone,

coloring, etc. I've got to say - the TCM doc has been better at

assessing my dc based on observation and listening to me than their

pediatrician of 17 years was. He is the one who kept telling me they

were healthy and fine when they obviously weren't.

Anyway - I do have to filter what our TCM doc is saying through TCM

thinking rather than my western thinking of organ systems. And I do

miss some of it because of the Chinese accent. I do love how he calls

my dc " baby. " He kept referring to my 3 yo as " the baby " which I

thought was cute. I liked it even better though, when he called my 17

yo " baby " , too. She will always be my baby, right?

>

> Rei - I don't think my Dr. is actually referring to

> " organ detox " like we think of it, as in toxin detox

> equals rash in autism biomed. He was using terms like organ

> Qi rebalancing, the body is " Hot " - my Dr does that a lot

> actually (speak theoretically about TCM) , and I don't always

> understand him (his chinese accent is very thick to boot which

> doesn't help).

> I took from the conversation that my son's rashes were more

> along the line of a healing effect from the TCM ideaology,

> not actual toxins being rid thru feces (even though I

> believe detox does happen) - does that make sense?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mine's 17, and I still call her baby (she's the youngest), but she will always be my baby

Subject: Re: ---you mentioned about rashesTo: mb12 valtrex Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 10:02 AM

This is the case with us, too (not the rash but the communication difference.) It is like speaking a different language (2 actually when you add in the Chinese). I don't always get what our doctor is saying because I don't understand TCM. At first I wanted to think it was ridiculous that our TCM doctor could assess anything about our dc's bodies by looking at their hands, but then I realized that American docs do the same thing basically. I can't tell you how many times I had my dc at their former pediatrician because there were serious things wrong with them and he did his typical exam and declared them healthy with nothing to be concerned about just by doing a cursory physical exam. So western doctors also assess based on skin tone, coloring, etc. I've got to say - the TCM doc has been better at assessing my dc based on observation and listening to me than their pediatrician of 17 years was. He

is the one who kept telling me they were healthy and fine when they obviously weren't.Anyway - I do have to filter what our TCM doc is saying through TCM thinking rather than my western thinking of organ systems. And I do miss some of it because of the Chinese accent. I do love how he calls my dc "baby." He kept referring to my 3 yo as "the baby" which I thought was cute. I liked it even better though, when he called my 17 yo "baby", too. She will always be my baby, right?>> Rei - I don't think my Dr. is actually referring to> "organ detox" like we think of it, as in toxin detox> equals rash in autism biomed. He was using terms like organ> Qi rebalancing, the body is "Hot" - my Dr does that a

lot> actually (speak theoretically about TCM) , and I don't always > understand him (his chinese accent is very thick to boot which > doesn't help).> I took from the conversation that my son's rashes were more> along the line of a healing effect from the TCM ideaology,> not actual toxins being rid thru feces (even though I > believe detox does happen) - does that make sense?> >

[Guest guest]

Huhh,, so our son's rashes could be the sign of healing effect per TCM theory. I take it as a good news. I also noticed when the rashes started, my son actually behaved better, more relaxed, calmer and happier...

Sincerely, Rei > > From: recoveringty <recoveringty@ ...>> Subject: Re: ---you mentioned about rashes> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 2:47 PM> > > > > > > Rei, I just spoke with our tcm Dr. and he said the> itching and rash for Ty is organ detox, said "the body > is hot". He is going to add in something to his next> batch which we will pick up Saturday to address this.> Funny, he woke up at 4am this morning (early wakings > are rare here, usually during heavy detox). I am > going to take a UTM on him this afternoon to send in.> > > > > >> > > Sorry if this is long, but I want to be sure to include all of > the > > > facts. I am not sure what to do, and am hoping someone can think > > of > > > something I may have missed > > > > > > I started my 17-year-old on Dr. Peng's herbs around three weeks > > ago. > > > When we started them, my daughter was actually doing better than > > she > > > had been doing for years...she was happy, maturing, and her OCD > > was > > > under control. I decided to start her on the herbs b/c she has a > > bad > > > bacteria in her gut (I didn't want to put her on antibiotics) > plus > > > she has yeast/intestinal issues. I was also hoping to get her > > > congestion under control

with the herbs. My biggest hesitation > > was > > > similar to others on here, which is stopping her supplements. But > > I > > > decided to try them anyway, just keep a close eye on her. > > > > > > We got our first shipment, and it was slow going b/c I was giving > > her > > > too much so she wasn't feeling very good. Once we got that > > leveled > > > out things were better; however, her stomache aches and > congestion > > > were still there, but they were a little bit better. She seemed > > to > > > be doing okay w/o all of her supplements, and I dare say maybe > > even a > > > bit better in the areas of maturity and calmness, organization, > > etc. > > > When I called to order more tea, he mentioned that he was going >

to > > > change it, adding something more to try to combat her stomach > > aches. > > > > > > When I got the new batch, it was visibly different. There were > > only > > > a few herbs that I recognized from the first batch, and it was a > > > completely different color and smell when cooking. According to > > my > > > daughter this batch tasted really bad compared to the first one. > > > Anyway, she started the new batch on Friday, and all seemed fine. > > > Saturday and Sunday were fine. In fact, they were great. Her > > > stomach seemed to be a bit better on Sunday. > > > > > > The problem started Sunday evening after she ate a bowl of > > cereal. > > > We are not on any diets; we've tried several and haven't had any > > >

noticeable improvements with them. Anyway, she ate a bowl of > > cereal > > > commenting that the milk tasted funny, but I just bought the > milk, > > so > > > I told her it was fine, w/o checking to be sure. But shortly > > after > > > eating the cereal, she started to get aggitated and to make a > long > > > story short she had a complete emotional meltdown, such that I > > > haven't seen in a really long time. She has a good friend she > > turns > > > to when she feels like this, and she was talking to her on the > > phone > > > when I finally quit eavesdropping and went to bed around 11:30. > > By > > > then she sounded like she had it under control. But morning she > > said > > > she was up till 3:30, she said she had some sort of

anxiety/OCD > > > attack. She said she couldn't sleep b/c she was obsessing over > > > things, reliving bad memories, and using her hands to "vacuum" > her > > > floor, until her hands were raw. This has never happened to her > > > before, and it completely freaked her out. It scares me when she > > > has "bad thoughts" b/c that usually leads her to becoming > > suicidal, > > > but I didn't hear her say anything like that to her friend last > > > night. It wasn't until my husband went to have a bowl of cereal > > this > > > morning that he discovered the milk was bad.> > > > > > I know it sounds weird but I'm wondering if the milk somehow > > played a > > > role in triggering this attack??? It could be the new tea as > > well, > > >

but it seems like if there was something in the tea that was > going > > to > > > affect her this adversely that it would have happened right away, > > not > > > three days into it. Any thoughts?? > > > > > > Sorry it's so long > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ormonde, L.Ac.> > www.AuburnCommunity Acupuncture. com> >>

[Guest guest]

I just spoke to the son Dr. Peng for our first consultation!! They are both in

the office all day today. Not sure about tomorrow and beyond but he will be

calling me back later today and I will ask.

Sandy

[Guest guest]

that is funny - my TCM Dr. refers to Ty as

" kid " (lol), like that is the only translation

he knows for child, hee hee.

And yes, that is exactly what I meant in my post,

like I am disecting a foreign concept that sometimes

gets lost in translation.

I should probably get a book on TCM and learn more

so I can keep pace with the Dr.! But I will also

agree, he seems to really " get " Ty's issues.

> >

> > Rei - I don't think my Dr. is actually referring to

> > " organ detox " like we think of it, as in toxin detox

> > equals rash in autism biomed. He was using terms like organ

> > Qi rebalancing, the body is " Hot " - my Dr does that a lot

> > actually (speak theoretically about TCM) , and I don't always

> > understand him (his chinese accent is very thick to boot which

> > doesn't help).

> > I took from the conversation that my son's rashes were more

> > along the line of a healing effect from the TCM ideaology,

> > not actual toxins being rid thru feces (even though I

> > believe detox does happen) - does that make sense?

> >

> >

>