Re: USA Weekend

[Guest guest]

The USA Weekend article promoted to Corporal and made him a year older.

But I guess it wasn't to bad. They can never get everything correct. Still

hung up on the number 200. As for the DOD's contention that the

anti-diphtheria shot commonly given to children has greater reactions than

the anthrax. I work at a pediatrician's office and this is totally not true.

Fighting a controversial, newly required anthrax vaccine, hundreds put their

military careers on the line.

By Dennis McCafferty

One battle the U.S. military continues to fight is right here at home, over

the controversial anthrax vaccine. Since the military began its program early

last year to thwart the No. 1 biological-warfare threat, more than 200

servicemen and -women have refused orders to take the vaccine, saying not

enough is known about it. USA WEEKEND readers overwhelmingly agree, voting

that military personnel should have the right to refuse the vaccine.

While the Defense Department considers the vaccine vital in arming troops

against the nearly always fatal bacterium, those refusing it largely object

to taking a required six shots over 18 months.

Congress may soon intervene. One pending bill calls for a halt to the shots

until safety concerns are sorted out. Another wants to make the vaccine

voluntary.

At least 10 countries, including Iraq, are known to possess anthrax, which

occurs naturally and is harmless in animals. But in concentrated powder form,

a five-pound bag could wipe out the entire population of metro Washington,

D.C. -- 4.5 million people.

Defense officials deny that the vaccine, approved by the FDA in 1971 to

protect sheep farmers, carries chronic side effects besides temporary flulike

chills, fever and fatigue. They say the anti-diphtheria shot commonly given

to children has greater reactions.

So far, more than 1 million shots have been given to 326,084 military

personnel in hot spots such as northeastern Asia and the Persian Gulf. All

2.4 million members of the armed forces are to be inoculated by 2003.

Those who refuse risk their military careers. Some already have been subject

to courts-martial, jail time or demotions. Why the unprecedented

insubordination? Though military personnel routinely are inoculated against

everything from cholera to the plague, the aftermath of Agent Orange-related

ailments and " Gulf War syndrome " has left many service members wary.

Mark Zaid, a lawyer who has defended service members opposed to the vaccine,

says the military ignored federal testimony of adverse reactions in up to 44%

of people given the vaccine: " Time and time again, we found that the Defense

Department's public statements contradicted what they knew internally. "

Ex-Marine corporal Austin, 24, is paying a high price for saying no.

Austin, who balked at the number of shots, was among five Marines in

Twentynine Palms, Calif., court-martialed for refusing the vaccine.

Military officials " know good and well that a lot of controversy surrounds

this shot, " says a disillusioned Austin. " But their feeling is, 'Take this

shot or else.' "

Austin was found guilty for refusing an order, sentenced to 30 days in a

military jail and given a discharge for bad conduct. He has since returned

home to Fritch, Texas, and hopes to study criminal justice in college. Amid

the heightened publicity, defense officials are considering reducing the

amount of shots to five. But making it voluntary is not an option. An

exception: pregnant women.

For now, the battle continues.

[Guest guest]

USA Weekend

>From: USMCMomm1@...

>

>

>

>Hi All,

>

>The poll results from the USA Weekend poll " Should military personnel have

>the right to refuse anthrax vaccination " is in this weekend newspapers.

The

>poll is 7,799 readers (83%) voted yes!

>

>There is an article that has a picture of Austin from Texas.

>

> Graves

>Illinois

>

[Guest guest]

From the USA Weekend article:

" Though military personnel routinely are innoculated

against everything from cholera to the plague, the

aftermath of AgentOrange-related ailments and " Gulf

War syndrome " has left many service members wary. "

So far in my 13 year career, I have not seen any of my

guys " routinely " innoculated for cholera to the

plague.

Any input?

Tim <(((><

--- Dean1823@... wrote:

> From: Dean1823@...

>

> The USA Weekend article promoted to Corporal

> and made him a year older.

> But I guess it wasn't to bad. They can never get

> everything correct. Still

> hung up on the number 200. As for the DOD's

> contention that the

> anti-diphtheria shot commonly given to children has

> greater reactions than

> the anthrax. I work at a pediatrician's office and

> this is totally not true.

>

>

> Fighting a controversial, newly required anthrax

> vaccine, hundreds put their

> military careers on the line.

> By Dennis McCafferty

>

> One battle the U.S. military continues to fight is

> right here at home, over

> the controversial anthrax vaccine. Since the

> military began its program early

> last year to thwart the No. 1 biological-warfare

> threat, more than 200

> servicemen and -women have refused orders to take

> the vaccine, saying not

> enough is known about it. USA WEEKEND readers

> overwhelmingly agree, voting

> that military personnel should have the right to

> refuse the vaccine.

>

> While the Defense Department considers the vaccine

> vital in arming troops

> against the nearly always fatal bacterium, those

> refusing it largely object

> to taking a required six shots over 18 months.

>

> Congress may soon intervene. One pending bill calls

> for a halt to the shots

> until safety concerns are sorted out. Another wants

> to make the vaccine

> voluntary.

>

> At least 10 countries, including Iraq, are known to

> possess anthrax, which

> occurs naturally and is harmless in animals. But in

> concentrated powder form,

> a five-pound bag could wipe out the entire

> population of metro Washington,

> D.C. -- 4.5 million people.

>

> Defense officials deny that the vaccine, approved by

> the FDA in 1971 to

> protect sheep farmers, carries chronic side effects

> besides temporary flulike

> chills, fever and fatigue. They say the

> anti-diphtheria shot commonly given

> to children has greater reactions.

>

> So far, more than 1 million shots have been given to

> 326,084 military

> personnel in hot spots such as northeastern Asia and

> the Persian Gulf. All

> 2.4 million members of the armed forces are to be

> inoculated by 2003.

>

> Those who refuse risk their military careers. Some

> already have been subject

> to courts-martial, jail time or demotions. Why the

> unprecedented

> insubordination? Though military personnel routinely

> are inoculated against

> everything from cholera to the plague, the aftermath

> of Agent Orange-related

> ailments and " Gulf War syndrome " has left many

> service members wary.

>

> Mark Zaid, a lawyer who has defended service members

> opposed to the vaccine,

> says the military ignored federal testimony of

> adverse reactions in up to 44%

> of people given the vaccine: " Time and time again,

> we found that the Defense

> Department's public statements contradicted what

> they knew internally. "

> Ex-Marine corporal Austin, 24, is paying a

> high price for saying no.

> Austin, who balked at the number of shots, was among

> five Marines in

> Twentynine Palms, Calif., court-martialed for

> refusing the vaccine.

>

> Military officials " know good and well that a lot of

> controversy surrounds

> this shot, " says a disillusioned Austin. " But their

> feeling is, 'Take this

> shot or else.' "

>

> Austin was found guilty for refusing an order,

> sentenced to 30 days in a

> military jail and given a discharge for bad conduct.

> He has since returned

> home to Fritch, Texas, and hopes to study criminal

> justice in college. Amid

> the heightened publicity, defense officials are

> considering reducing the

> amount of shots to five. But making it voluntary is

> not an option. An

> exception: pregnant women.

>

> For now, the battle continues.

>

[Guest guest]

Depends on the unit and it's normal deployment area. I have some strange

stuff in my body, from plague to Japanese Encephalitis. Routine ... only if

you are suicidal.

[Guest guest]

Cholera hasent been given since the early 90's because it is only 40-60%

effective and bottled water and good higene are more effective, and the

plague hasn't been given since the old RDF days of the mid 80's.

Jake

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>From: Tim Kellar <timkellar@...>

>onelist

>Subject: Re: USA Weekend

>Date: Tue, Sep 28, 1999, 3:01 PM

>

>From: Tim Kellar <timkellar@...>

>

>>From the USA Weekend article:

>

> " Though military personnel routinely are innoculated

>against everything from cholera to the plague, the

>aftermath of AgentOrange-related ailments and " Gulf

>War syndrome " has left many service members wary. "

>

>So far in my 13 year career, I have not seen any of my

>guys " routinely " innoculated for cholera to the

>plague.

>Any input?

>Tim <(((><

>

[Guest guest]

Tim Kellar wrote:

>

> From: Tim Kellar <timkellar@...>

>

> >From the USA Weekend article:

>

> " Though military personnel routinely are innoculated

> against everything from cholera to the plague, the

> aftermath of AgentOrange-related ailments and " Gulf

> War syndrome " has left many service members wary. "

>

> So far in my 13 year career, I have not seen any of my

> guys " routinely " innoculated for cholera to the

> plague.

> Any input?

> Tim <(((><

I believe it just depends on what part of the world your unit gets

deployed to. When my father was in the civil service and my whole

family went to Indonesia, I got stuck full of all kinds of vaccines at

the U.S. embassy in Jarkata. I backed off from the cholera one because

while they recommended it, it wasn't mandatory and had a strict shot

schedule if I remember correctly. The GG shot I took several times

really sucked though...looked like a huge horse shot syringe.

G.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/29/99 3:02:02 AM !!!First Boot!!!, ELLIOTTDSR@...

writes:

<<

From: ELLIOTTDSR@...

Depends on the unit and it's normal deployment area. I have some strange

stuff in my body, from plague to Japanese Encephalitis. Routine ... only if

you are suicidal.

>>

I agree with what he said about where you are going to deploy to. I joined

the army when we were still in SOmalia, and when we were just about to go to

Haiti, and I remember seeing a list of all the vaccines that deployable

soldiers to those regions would receive, and to go to Somalia and Haiti,

there was about 7 or 8 vaccines...things like typhoid, cholrea, DPT, plague,

etc. etc.

I went to Korea for a year and I got typhoid shots and hepatitis shots, and,

if I remember correctly, cholrea also since the water over there is polluted.

[Guest guest]

I saw that too! What a breath of fresh air to read that article! I

liked the bottom line! For those who didn't see it, here it is:

(Page 21 under " RelationTips " )

Just Say No To Surgery

By Dennie

Q: I'm the mother of a 16-year-old girl who wants breast

augmentation. She has saved the money needed and seen so many

makeoever shows that she is more knowledgeable about the procedure

than I am. what should I do?

A: As a parent, your job is to interfere, especially with such a

life-affecting decision. Brill, director of Girl Street, an

adolescent health program at Overlook Hospital in Summit, N.J., says

teens want and need limits, and your daughter's openness about her

obsession most likely is a shout-out for you to get involved. " As

her mom, it's important that you find out what she thinks bigger

breasts will do for her, " Brill says. Whether it's because your

daughter thinks boys will like her better or that kids' mean remarks

will stop, you should listen and counterpoint where needed, and

encourage her to reconsider.

While you help her work through emotional issues, give her a reality

check on " reality " TV shows. " Inform her that she could develop

scar tissue and rock hard implants that will break, and need future

procedures to replace and correct the damage, " says Beverly Hills

plastic surgeon Grossman. And someday when she's ready to

start a family, she may not be able to breast feed.

The bottom-line: Be the strong female role model she needs and

refuse to support the surgery.

(Write to Contributing Editor Dennie at RelationTips, USA

Weekend, 1275 First Ave, Box 265, New York, NY 10021. Or submit

questions at usaweekend.com. Please include your name, address, and

daytime telephone number.)

--- In , " Charlotte " <chiandjoe@s...>

wrote:

>

> There was a letter to (whomever?) in this past Sunday's paper. A

mom

> wanted input on her 16 yr. old daughter's plan to have implants,

> apparently she has been building her " boob fund " for quite some

time

> and almost has enough. The mom wanted to know how she should

> respond,etc. They had a very good response quoting Dr. Grossman,

> currently in Beverly Hills but formerly of Denver, he's quite well

> known and respected in his field; he's also on this

> site's " recommended " list. He told them this was something the

mom

> needed to do an intervention on. He was very clear - toxins,

future

> surgeries, problems if she wants to breast feed...all the right

> stuff. I think this is great. He really has been in the news as

a

> leading PC for as long as I had my implants which was like 25

years

> ago. When he comes speaks out in public forum like that, not just

> being supportive of those who come to him for explantation but

> proactively saying women shouldn't rush into this surgery, I think

we

> might be moving in the right direction. Or maybe it is just

because

> his practice is so large that he can afford to turn away

business.

> Interesting. Charlotte

>

[Guest guest]

Wonderful! . . . I'm thrilled every time I learn a

doctor (especially a plastic surgeon) is taking a

stand against breast implants! . . . It's not easy for

them because they must face the pressure of their

peers! . . . But they do it anyway!

Three cheers for all the decent, honorable doctors out

there!

Rogene

--- glory2glory1401 <glory2glory1401@...> wrote:

> I saw that too! What a breath of fresh air to read

> that article! I

> liked the bottom line! For those who didn't see it,

> here it is:

>

> (Page 21 under " RelationTips " )

>

> Just Say No To Surgery

> By Dennie

>

> Q: I'm the mother of a 16-year-old girl who wants

> breast

> augmentation. She has saved the money needed and

> seen so many

> makeoever shows that she is more knowledgeable about

> the procedure

> than I am. what should I do?

>

> A: As a parent, your job is to interfere, especially

> with such a

> life-affecting decision. Brill, director of

> Girl Street, an

> adolescent health program at Overlook Hospital in

> Summit, N.J., says

> teens want and need limits, and your daughter's

> openness about her

> obsession most likely is a shout-out for you to get

> involved. " As

> her mom, it's important that you find out what she

> thinks bigger

> breasts will do for her, " Brill says. Whether it's

> because your

> daughter thinks boys will like her better or that

> kids' mean remarks

> will stop, you should listen and counterpoint where

> needed, and

> encourage her to reconsider.

>

> While you help her work through emotional issues,

> give her a reality

> check on " reality " TV shows. " Inform her that she

> could develop

> scar tissue and rock hard implants that will break,

> and need future

> procedures to replace and correct the damage, " says

> Beverly Hills

> plastic surgeon Grossman. And someday when

> she's ready to

> start a family, she may not be able to breast feed.

> The bottom-line: Be the strong female role model she

> needs and

> refuse to support the surgery.

>

> (Write to Contributing Editor Dennie at

> RelationTips, USA

> Weekend, 1275 First Ave, Box 265, New York, NY

> 10021. Or submit

> questions at usaweekend.com. Please include your

> name, address, and

> daytime telephone number.)

>

>

>

>

> >

> > There was a letter to (whomever?) in this past

> Sunday's paper. A

> mom

> > wanted input on her 16 yr. old daughter's plan to

> have implants,

> > apparently she has been building her " boob fund "

> for quite some

> time

> > and almost has enough. The mom wanted to know how

> she should

> > respond,etc. They had a very good response

> quoting Dr. Grossman,

> > currently in Beverly Hills but formerly of Denver,

> he's quite well

> > known and respected in his field; he's also on

> this

> > site's " recommended " list. He told them this was

> something the

> mom

> > needed to do an intervention on. He was very

> clear - toxins,

> future

> > surgeries, problems if she wants to breast

> feed...all the right

> > stuff. I think this is great. He really has been

> in the news as

> a

> > leading PC for as long as I had my implants which

> was like 25

> years

> > ago. When he comes speaks out in public forum

> like that, not just

> > being supportive of those who come to him for

> explantation but

> > proactively saying women shouldn't rush into this

> surgery, I think

> we

> > might be moving in the right direction. Or maybe

> it is just

> because

> > his practice is so large that he can afford to

> turn away

> business.

> > Interesting. Charlotte

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think I'm going to write to them and commend them for publishing

that!!

Sis

> > >

> > > There was a letter to (whomever?) in this past

> > Sunday's paper. A

> > mom

> > > wanted input on her 16 yr. old daughter's plan to

> > have implants,

> > > apparently she has been building her " boob fund "

> > for quite some

> > time

> > > and almost has enough. The mom wanted to know how

> > she should

> > > respond,etc. They had a very good response

> > quoting Dr. Grossman,

> > > currently in Beverly Hills but formerly of Denver,

> > he's quite well

> > > known and respected in his field; he's also on

> > this

> > > site's " recommended " list. He told them this was

> > something the

> > mom

> > > needed to do an intervention on. He was very

> > clear - toxins,

> > future

> > > surgeries, problems if she wants to breast

> > feed...all the right

> > > stuff. I think this is great. He really has been

> > in the news as

> > a

> > > leading PC for as long as I had my implants which

> > was like 25

> > years

> > > ago. When he comes speaks out in public forum

> > like that, not just

> > > being supportive of those who come to him for

> > explantation but

> > > proactively saying women shouldn't rush into this

> > surgery, I think

> > we

> > > might be moving in the right direction. Or maybe

> > it is just

> > because

> > > his practice is so large that he can afford to

> > turn away

> > business.

> > > Interesting. Charlotte

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Now here is a man who at least has some morals. I really hope that

the sixteen year old decides against implants when she is old enough

to do so without her mom's permission. It is amazing how many teens

don't listen to sound advice. I have one! she seems to think she

is invincible and bad things only happen to other people.

Hugs, Kathy

--- In , " Charlotte " <chiandjoe@s...>

wrote:

>

> There was a letter to (whomever?) in this past Sunday's paper. A

mom

> wanted input on her 16 yr. old daughter's plan to have implants,

> apparently she has been building her " boob fund " for quite some

time

> and almost has enough. The mom wanted to know how she should

> respond,etc. They had a very good response quoting Dr. Grossman,

> currently in Beverly Hills but formerly of Denver, he's quite well

> known and respected in his field; he's also on this

> site's " recommended " list. He told them this was something the

mom

> needed to do an intervention on. He was very clear - toxins,

future

> surgeries, problems if she wants to breast feed...all the right

> stuff. I think this is great. He really has been in the news as

a

> leading PC for as long as I had my implants which was like 25

years

> ago. When he comes speaks out in public forum like that, not just

> being supportive of those who come to him for explantation but

> proactively saying women shouldn't rush into this surgery, I think

we

> might be moving in the right direction. Or maybe it is just

because

> his practice is so large that he can afford to turn away

business.

> Interesting. Charlotte

>