Re: stiff joints

[Guest guest]

,

You could do some testing for Lyme and/or rheumatoid arthritis in your

physical and non-physical bodies. Remove fear, beliefs, panic,

assumptions, interference, etc. Then say a bunch of things you want.

Then test. You can do this.

Love,

Stiff joints

Hi ! My joints are all really stiff/achey today and slightly swelled.

Yesterday I did part of an african healing dance video and moved some

things that

don't normally get worked (from squats, etc)... btw, I recommend this

as an

immunics dance!. Only did it for about 10 min so, don't think this

should

have had such an effect on me. I have a call in to a dr. to see if

something

more is going on w/ my joints since it has me a little scared. In the

meantime,, do you have any suggestions on any diseases/conditions I

should check for

and attempt removing ? Thanks all !

[Guest guest]

Hi MK

I'm Cherie, and I had explant in October. My biggest problem has

been arthritis also - in my sternum and clavicles. I hate to rotate

my neck because of the crepitus in it - it grinds and pops. All of

my blood work has always been normal, however my bone scan showed

severe inflammation and my CT scan showed arthritis. Even though I

am not yet healed, I know the implants were the reason for this

autoimmune disease, and that it is a process of healing that will

take time. Other women on this site have gotten well, and I am

hanging on to that hope. If I left them in, I would have continued

to deteriorate, but at least now I can detox and hopefully find the

right program for healing. It will seem like forever waiting for

your appointment, but at least you are moving in the right

direction. There is hope!! Don't give up!

Cherie

--- In , " mkkinzy1 " <mkkinzy@m...>

wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> Anyone else have stiff and cracking joints? Unexplained

arthritis?

> This is one of my biggest problems right now. Are people feeling

> better after explant? Some days are better than others for me.

Some

> days everything just keeps on cracking and popping. Lately by the

end

> of the day I can barely get up my stairs. I even feel stiffness

in my

> face. I don't go to see PS until middle of Feb and don't know

when

> explant will be. I am keeping my fingers crossed that this will

come

> soon. I know the sooner the better. In the meantime I am scared,

as

> things seem to be getting worse. I also had several days last

week

> where I had a hard time using my left hand -- I especially noticed

it

> when typing.

>

> MK

>

[Guest guest]

MK,

You bet, that's been one of my biggest problems - stiff, sore,

cracking and popping joints. It started within weeks of getting the

implants, and I knew my body wasn't tolerating them well. I'm about

3 months post-explant now, and they're still swollen, however I know

it doesn't go away overnight - and some days they don't bother me

much, and other days they bother me alot. My body was poisoned by

these things and is still going to react to them for a while - some

people do notice marked improvement right away, but my body tends to

take it's time improving from things. I'm going to be working with

Kenda's doctor, Dr. Leu, to help me detox. I was hoping that I

could get better on my own just by watching my diet, but I need help

cleaning the toxins out of my body. Do I regret getting the

implants out - not for one second!

Sis

--- In , " mkkinzy1 " <mkkinzy@m...>

wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> Anyone else have stiff and cracking joints? Unexplained

arthritis?

> This is one of my biggest problems right now. Are people feeling

> better after explant? Some days are better than others for me.

Some

> days everything just keeps on cracking and popping. Lately by the

end

> of the day I can barely get up my stairs. I even feel stiffness

in my

> face. I don't go to see PS until middle of Feb and don't know

when

> explant will be. I am keeping my fingers crossed that this will

come

> soon. I know the sooner the better. In the meantime I am scared,

as

> things seem to be getting worse. I also had several days last

week

> where I had a hard time using my left hand -- I especially noticed

it

> when typing.

>

> MK

>

[Guest guest]

MK

When you say you have stiffness in your face, do you mean stiffness

of the skin or your muscles feel tight? Arthritis type symptoms are

very common with implant sickness and many women have aching

muscles, tendons or joints. In fact, fibromyalgia is commonly

diagnosed in women with implants it is a condition characterized by

stiffness--especially of the muscles. How people feel after explant

is very variable. Some women get almost immediate relief of most

symptoms. Most women notice improvement in at least some of their

symptoms fairly quickly. Other women may not notice any change for

some time. The good news is that most women, given enough time and

detoxing, will gain alot of improvement in their health. It can be

a lengthy process. I have been explanted a little over four years.

I made immediate progress with several symptoms, others have taken

much longer and continue to cycle in and out. I will have several

weeks where I feel perfectly normal--and then a week or two where I

will be more tired, cold, and achy. But I also was diagnosed before

I ever got implants with fibromyalgia. With concentrating on

detoxing and supplements, etc. even my fms symptoms have gotten much

better. I am also perimenopausal which can contribute signficantly

to tiredness, achiness, etc. So I am pretty confident that once I

get through menopause that I will be on a steady routine of feeling

good! There really isn't a way to know how your body will be after

explant--we can only tell you that the majority of women get better

than they were. One thing is for certain--women who keep their

implants continue to be sick and develop even more symptoms as time

goes on--and that is despite detoxing and the like. If the implants

are the cause of your symptoms, nothing is going to make you better

while they are still inside of you. Knowing that made it easy for

me to make my decision--if I wanted to have a chance to regain my

health--I would need to get explanted. There was no gurantee I

would regain my health, but there was a guarantee that I wouldn't

get any better (and most likely would get worse) if I didn't get the

implants out. Your appt. is in a couple of weeks. Who are you

going to see for explant? Hopefully you will be able to schedule

your surgery fairly quickly after that. Hang in there!

Hugs, Kathy

--- In , " mkkinzy1 " <mkkinzy@m...>

wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> Anyone else have stiff and cracking joints? Unexplained

arthritis?

> This is one of my biggest problems right now. Are people feeling

> better after explant? Some days are better than others for me.

Some

> days everything just keeps on cracking and popping. Lately by the

end

> of the day I can barely get up my stairs. I even feel stiffness

in my

> face. I don't go to see PS until middle of Feb and don't know

when

> explant will be. I am keeping my fingers crossed that this will

come

> soon. I know the sooner the better. In the meantime I am scared,

as

> things seem to be getting worse. I also had several days last

week

> where I had a hard time using my left hand -- I especially noticed

it

> when typing.

>

> MK

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear you are having such a hard time. This is one of my biggest problems also besides weak muscles. My hands are affected greatly also, which is why I have a speaking program that does my typing for me when I can't. Some days I can, but not for long paragraphs. I haven't hand written anything more than 1 or 2 sentences since June. This is why I had to quit my classes, let alone I couldn't walk the length of the campus. I have just learned to deal with pain and stiffness. I know how scary you feel. I get anxious everytime my breast bone cracks, which is more and more everyday. I never knew that could make cracking noises until now. My surgery is Friday, I will have to let you know how the joints go as the weeks go on. Sorry I couldn't be much help, mkkinzy1 <mkkinzy@...>

wrote: Hi,Anyone else have stiff and cracking joints? Unexplained arthritis? This is one of my biggest problems right now. Are people feeling better after explant? Some days are better than others for me. Some days everything just keeps on cracking and popping. Lately by the end of the day I can barely get up my stairs. I even feel stiffness in my face. I don't go to see PS until middle of Feb and don't know when explant will be. I am keeping my fingers crossed that this will come soon. I know the sooner the better. In the meantime I am scared, as things seem to be getting worse. I also had several days last week where I had a hard time using my left hand -- I especially noticed it when typing.MK Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)See our photos website! Enter "implants" for access at this link:http://.shutterfly.com/action/

[Guest guest]

MK . . .

Stiff, painful joints are not at all uncommon . . .

Just hang in there! . . . You'll be feeling better

soon! REALLY!

Try taking a hot bath with Espom Salts . . . 1-2 cups,

depending on tub size.

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

I have not been on too much lately and need to catch up. I wanted

to let you know I will be praying for you this week as your surgery

is coming up. I also wanted to tell you that I got that book, As

Silver Refined and just started reading it. I love the first chapter

explaining how the refiner refines the silver. It really put things

into perspective for me. Thanks for sharing that. I am also

starting a Beth study, and between the two books, I know I am

in for some change!

You seem very calm about your upcoming surgery, and I hope you have

the kind of peace that only God can give you.

Cherie

> Hi,

>

> Anyone else have stiff and cracking joints? Unexplained

arthritis?

> This is one of my biggest problems right now. Are people feeling

> better after explant? Some days are better than others for me.

Some

> days everything just keeps on cracking and popping. Lately by the

end

> of the day I can barely get up my stairs. I even feel stiffness

in my

> face. I don't go to see PS until middle of Feb and don't know

when

> explant will be. I am keeping my fingers crossed that this will

come

> soon. I know the sooner the better. In the meantime I am scared,

as

> things seem to be getting worse. I also had several days last

week

> where I had a hard time using my left hand -- I especially noticed

it

> when typing.

>

> MK

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

That's so wonderful that you are starting a Beth study! I

just love her studies, I always get so much out of them! I think I

have almost all of them, except her latest. Which one are you doing?

I just purchased the Leaders Kit with video for " Living Beyond

Yourself " . I want to do a Bible study in my home with some ladies. I

did that one online, but I want to do it again. My favorite study

was " Believing God. " It was just really awesome! I did that one

online too.

I hope you will be greatly encouraged as you grow closer to the Lord!

Hugs,

Patty

>

>

> I have not been on too much lately and need to catch up. I wanted

> to let you know I will be praying for you this week as your

surgery

> is coming up. I also wanted to tell you that I got that book, As

> Silver Refined and just started reading it. I love the first

chapter

> explaining how the refiner refines the silver. It really put

things

> into perspective for me. Thanks for sharing that. I am also

> starting a Beth study, and between the two books, I know I

am

> in for some change!

> You seem very calm about your upcoming surgery, and I hope you

have

> the kind of peace that only God can give you.

> Cherie

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Cherie,

Thank you for your thoughts and prayers. I am so glad you got Kay's

book....As Silver Refined. You will be sooooo encouraged. What

Beth study are you doing? I love her!! Yes, I am at peace

with my surgery. I thought I would be more frightened by now, but I

know I am in God's hands. Whatever the outcome, He will be

glorified!! This is in Kay's book. She helped me understand that

we go through struggles to show the world that even though we

struggle like them, we have more peace...that there is a better

way. And that is to trust God. Last week I went to church to talk

with a friend and I expressed my concernes for my surgery and asked

her to pray for me. Today, she gave me the best gift ever. It is

called a prayer shawl. It came with a card attached that says...

" This healing shawl is a gift to you. It was knit by a member of

the ###### Community Church's Healing Shawl Ministry. Each time a

woman picked up the yarn and needles to work on the shawl, she

prayed:

Creator God, may this shwal be a sign of your healing presence. May

it warm those who are weary, surround those who suffer and encircle

those who are in pain. May your gentle touch reach out to heal in

the light of Christ. Amen.

We hope that the warmth of this shawl will bring you a sense of

God's peace, and healing, as well as the love of your church family,

each time you wrap it around your shoulders. "

I am so blessed! I will be taking this with me tomorrow to " wrap

myself in prayer. "

> > Hi,

> >

> > Anyone else have stiff and cracking joints? Unexplained

> arthritis?

> > This is one of my biggest problems right now. Are people

feeling

> > better after explant? Some days are better than others for me.

> Some

> > days everything just keeps on cracking and popping. Lately by

the

> end

> > of the day I can barely get up my stairs. I even feel stiffness

> in my

> > face. I don't go to see PS until middle of Feb and don't know

> when

> > explant will be. I am keeping my fingers crossed that this will

> come

> > soon. I know the sooner the better. In the meantime I am

scared,

> as

> > things seem to be getting worse. I also had several days last

> week

> > where I had a hard time using my left hand -- I especially

noticed

> it

> > when typing.

> >

> > MK

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given

> by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

> treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

> better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

> Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> > http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

This is such a beautiful gift. What wonderful friends you have!

May you feel totally wrapped in prayer tomorrow and as you recover

from surgery.

Patty

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > Anyone else have stiff and cracking joints? Unexplained

> > arthritis?

> > > This is one of my biggest problems right now. Are people

> feeling

> > > better after explant? Some days are better than others for

me.

> > Some

> > > days everything just keeps on cracking and popping. Lately by

> the

> > end

> > > of the day I can barely get up my stairs. I even feel

stiffness

> > in my

> > > face. I don't go to see PS until middle of Feb and don't know

> > when

> > > explant will be. I am keeping my fingers crossed that this

will

> > come

> > > soon. I know the sooner the better. In the meantime I am

> scared,

> > as

> > > things seem to be getting worse. I also had several days last

> > week

> > > where I had a hard time using my left hand -- I especially

> noticed

> > it

> > > when typing.

> > >

> > > MK

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given

> > by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

> > treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> > decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

> > better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner

(1954,

> > Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >

> > > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

link:

> > > http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

. . .

What a beautiful idea . . . the prayer shawl. I'm

going to bring it up at our church . . . You're

fortunate to have such a caring church!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

It may help if you massage your chest muscles wherever

you feel pain. . . After 13 years explant, I still

have to work on these muscles to keep a blood supply

to them. . . When the blood supply is there, the

muscles have a soft, puffy feeling rather than a flat

feeling . . . It makes a big difference in the

soreness/pain!

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Rogene - thanks - I will try that. Right now I am still enjoying my

break in the pain (Prednisone). I am down to two a day on the taper

now, and when I get to a half, Dr. Leu has me starting on the natural

anti-inflammatories. I was really at my threshold, and am really

enjoying the relief.

How are you? and what is your plan of action for the breast cancer?

Cherie

>

> Cherie,

>

> It may help if you massage your chest muscles wherever

> you feel pain. . . After 13 years explant, I still

> have to work on these muscles to keep a blood supply

> to them. . . When the blood supply is there, the

> muscles have a soft, puffy feeling rather than a flat

> feeling . . . It makes a big difference in the

> soreness/pain!

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

I love the prayer shawl! You are going to do great tomorrow. I'll

keep praying for you. The Beth study is called " Jesus, the

One and Only " . Thanks for sharing everything that you do. I know

that the information doesn't please everyone who comes to the

support group, but for those of us who believe, you are a real

encouragment. You remind me all the time that God is in charge and

that this experience has not been for nothing - that something

really great is going to come from it. God bless you tomorrow

!

Cherie

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > Anyone else have stiff and cracking joints? Unexplained

> > arthritis?

> > > This is one of my biggest problems right now. Are people

> feeling

> > > better after explant? Some days are better than others for

me.

> > Some

> > > days everything just keeps on cracking and popping. Lately by

> the

> > end

> > > of the day I can barely get up my stairs. I even feel

stiffness

> > in my

> > > face. I don't go to see PS until middle of Feb and don't know

> > when

> > > explant will be. I am keeping my fingers crossed that this

will

> > come

> > > soon. I know the sooner the better. In the meantime I am

> scared,

> > as

> > > things seem to be getting worse. I also had several days last

> > week

> > > where I had a hard time using my left hand -- I especially

> noticed

> > it

> > > when typing.

> > >

> > > MK

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given

> > by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

> > treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> > decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

> > better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner

(1954,

> > Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >

> > > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

link:

> > > http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

I'm putting everything I know to do (from a natural

perspective) into action. I've cut out all sugar and

down to a very, very small amount of carbs since they

feed cancer. . . I'm also avoiding foods like pork,

while eating many more green and raw veggies. . . .

I'm exercising, drinking lots of water, using my

infrared sauna daily, and taking a natural product

that is patented for cancer treatment. It's been shown

to put 78% of Stage IV cancer patients into remission.

I'm getting my regular massages too! I highly

recommend regular deep therapeutic massage for anyone

who can find/afford an expert massage therapist!

I'm also working on keeping my state of mind on the

upbeat . .. This means reducing the news broadcasts to

a minimum because I'm a news/CSpan junkie. . .

Hubby has been incredibly good to me! No stress there!

He's so worried. If there's anything that's disturbing

me about this whole thing is the worry it's putting on

my family.

While I don't think I'm going there yet . . . I

remember what one friend told us when he was very sick

with cancer and undergoing chemo . . . He said that,

regardless of the outcome, he was a winner . . . If

the cancer went into remission, he won, if he got to

go to Heaven early, he also won. He stayed with us

much longer than anyone would have anticipated.

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Rogene

you have a wonderful outlook and I know that will help you fight

this cancer. I often wonder what I would do if I am ever faced with

a chemotherapy decision. I saw what my sister went through and it

was hard. I hope that I am educated enough if it happens to try

alternative treatments. I think families take it harder. When my

sister was diagnosed with Non Hodgkins, I don't think I could have

taken it worse if it happened to me. I was so afraid she would

die. It literally brought me to my knees in prayer to God, whom I

didn't know at that time. That was the turning point in my life.

So I can understand how your family feels, and I hope that they turn

to the most awesome Comforter.

Are you scheduled for lumpectomy? You are in my prayers.

Cherie

>

> Cherie,

>

> I'm putting everything I know to do (from a natural

> perspective) into action. I've cut out all sugar and

> down to a very, very small amount of carbs since they

> feed cancer. . . I'm also avoiding foods like pork,

> while eating many more green and raw veggies. . . .

> I'm exercising, drinking lots of water, using my

> infrared sauna daily, and taking a natural product

> that is patented for cancer treatment. It's been shown

> to put 78% of Stage IV cancer patients into remission.

>

>

> I'm getting my regular massages too! I highly

> recommend regular deep therapeutic massage for anyone

> who can find/afford an expert massage therapist!

>

> I'm also working on keeping my state of mind on the

> upbeat . .. This means reducing the news broadcasts to

> a minimum because I'm a news/CSpan junkie. . .

>

> Hubby has been incredibly good to me! No stress there!

> He's so worried. If there's anything that's disturbing

> me about this whole thing is the worry it's putting on

> my family.

>

> While I don't think I'm going there yet . . . I

> remember what one friend told us when he was very sick

> with cancer and undergoing chemo . . . He said that,

> regardless of the outcome, he was a winner . . . If

> the cancer went into remission, he won, if he got to

> go to Heaven early, he also won. He stayed with us

> much longer than anyone would have anticipated.

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Cherie,

I'm still waiting for results from the PET scan they

did last Tuesday . . . I visualize God's hand in the

delay - giving the supplement I'm taking time to do

its work.

The purpose of the PET scan is to see if I have cancer

anywhere else. If I do, and they recommend chemo,

first I want to give this product a few more weeks to

work . . . Then if necessary, I intend to do chemo

only if it's targeted to work directly on cancer and

not a systemic process.

My ex recently completed chemo for non-Hodgkins

lymphoma that has left him with a very impaired sense

of balance. He's unable to do hardly anything. Awful

situation . . .

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Rogene

You continually amaze me with your strength and positive attitude!

I know you will beat this thing! I am keeping you in my prayers. I

am sending you a great big hug!

Love, Kathy

>

> Cherie,

>

> I'm putting everything I know to do (from a natural

> perspective) into action. I've cut out all sugar and

> down to a very, very small amount of carbs since they

> feed cancer. . . I'm also avoiding foods like pork,

> while eating many more green and raw veggies. . . .

> I'm exercising, drinking lots of water, using my

> infrared sauna daily, and taking a natural product

> that is patented for cancer treatment. It's been shown

> to put 78% of Stage IV cancer patients into remission.

>

>

> I'm getting my regular massages too! I highly

> recommend regular deep therapeutic massage for anyone

> who can find/afford an expert massage therapist!

>

> I'm also working on keeping my state of mind on the

> upbeat . .. This means reducing the news broadcasts to

> a minimum because I'm a news/CSpan junkie. . .

>

> Hubby has been incredibly good to me! No stress there!

> He's so worried. If there's anything that's disturbing

> me about this whole thing is the worry it's putting on

> my family.

>

> While I don't think I'm going there yet . . . I

> remember what one friend told us when he was very sick

> with cancer and undergoing chemo . . . He said that,

> regardless of the outcome, he was a winner . . . If

> the cancer went into remission, he won, if he got to

> go to Heaven early, he also won. He stayed with us

> much longer than anyone would have anticipated.

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kathy . . . I'm sending hugs back!

Love,

Rogene