Re: Saline vs. Silicone

[Guest guest]

Good for you! . . . We need a thousand women who will

not be quiet! Use everything, everyone you can to get

through.

For an update . . .What's going on right now. The FDA

held a hearing last April to see if they would give

PreMarket Approval (PMA) to Inamed and Mentor for

their " new, improved " silicone gel implants . . . The

first day was spent listening to testimony of those

who were injured by implants, plus some professional

testimony as well as some pro-implant people.

Initially, the FDA denied approval for one, but

recommended one for approval - with conditions. Later,

the denied company was given the same recommendation.

This doesn't mean approval - it's just a

recommendation for approval. However, the FDA still

hasn't issued it's approval! . . . Officially, they

are conducting a criminal investigation of

irregularities with Mentor. Personally, I feel that

our protests are having an effect. There's a lot of

work going on in the background - on both sides!

If you'd like to express yourself to the FDA,

Leonard is the official liaison: nml@... 800

638-2041 ext 141 .

You might get more personal satisfaction by speaking

to her, however she can do nothing but serve as a

gatekeeper as to what gets passed on. She does keep

emails. I was blocked from sending messages to her.

When I finally got through by phone, she knew the

exact date of my last email. I strip the names from

some of the messages that appear her and forward them

to her with questions about what the FDA is doing,

etc.

You will be effective if you have solid questions.

These will be forwarded - and you may, or may not get

a response. . Regardless, I'd suggest NEVER letting

up on the pressure. There is some talk of suing the

FDA if they approve these toxic bombs.

What is heartening is to see that Zuckerman is

taking up the saline topic. For too long, it was

ignored as being off topic. In a recent article, she

denounced salines as being dangerous too . . . AND Dr.

Melmed commented on contaminated salines . . . Both of

these comments are new. Salines are already FDA

approved . .. with no obvious monitoring!

In the meantime, manufacturer's are almost ready to go

to the FDA with the " newest, latest, greatest " breast

implant . . . The cohesive gel implant. . It won't

rupture - but the body will try to disassemble it just

the same. Platinum is probably used as a catalyst

there too because the government hasn't recognized the

health problems of platinum, except in an occupational

setting.

People at the FDA have been given the message! . . .

However, I think the political pressure is really

heavy to approve these deadly devices! . . . Money

talks!

Just yesterday I read where the FDA is approving an

implant device that sends electrical currents to the

brain, supposedly to help with depression. This is

despite the unanimous dissent of the FDA scientists! .

.. . In the study, the device showed no improvement

with depression. Possible complications are serious.

Yet they are approving this device! What is wrong with

this picture?

I'm all for women suing! . . . My concern is that, too

often when women decide to sue, their healing is

retarded because of the stress brought on by the law

suit as well as the energy given to watching/measuring

the negative health effects from the device. If you

can keep all that in balance, more power to you! Just

know that the deck is stacked in their favor and that

you will have an uphill climb. Nevertheless, I'm

convinced that one of these days, those responsible

are going to pay - BIG TIME!

The FDA Breast Implant hearing testimony is all

available online with a simple websearch. Read it.

You'll wonder how any sane person would consider

breast implants safe after reading the testimony!

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Rogene,

What happened with Deb Petit's study that she was working on? I

know she was in Louisiana when the hurricanes hit, but didn't she

end up in Missouri? Update us if you can...I was under the

impression that she had some sort of funding?

Also in Atlanta, Dr. Kolb is doing alot of her own research

and investigation into the breast implant illness, and is working

with Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, who has done some great work into

investigating illness like Chronic Fatigue syndrome and

fibromyalgia. He has a book out called " Desperation Medicine " that

I have not read, but heard much about.

I think eventually we will find answers, but it takes alot of people

pulling together with the same goal and of course, lots of money.

Patty

>

> Good for you! . . . We need a thousand women who will

> not be quiet! Use everything, everyone you can to get

> through.

>

> For an update . . .What's going on right now. The FDA

> held a hearing last April to see if they would give

> PreMarket Approval (PMA) to Inamed and Mentor for

> their " new, improved " silicone gel implants . . . The

> first day was spent listening to testimony of those

> who were injured by implants, plus some professional

> testimony as well as some pro-implant people.

>

> Initially, the FDA denied approval for one, but

> recommended one for approval - with conditions. Later,

> the denied company was given the same recommendation.

> This doesn't mean approval - it's just a

> recommendation for approval. However, the FDA still

> hasn't issued it's approval! . . . Officially, they

> are conducting a criminal investigation of

> irregularities with Mentor. Personally, I feel that

> our protests are having an effect. There's a lot of

> work going on in the background - on both sides!

>

> If you'd like to express yourself to the FDA,

> Leonard is the official liaison: nml@... 800

> 638-2041 ext 141 .

>

> You might get more personal satisfaction by speaking

> to her, however she can do nothing but serve as a

> gatekeeper as to what gets passed on. She does keep

> emails. I was blocked from sending messages to her.

> When I finally got through by phone, she knew the

> exact date of my last email. I strip the names from

> some of the messages that appear her and forward them

> to her with questions about what the FDA is doing,

> etc.

>

> You will be effective if you have solid questions.

> These will be forwarded - and you may, or may not get

> a response. . Regardless, I'd suggest NEVER letting

> up on the pressure. There is some talk of suing the

> FDA if they approve these toxic bombs.

>

> What is heartening is to see that Zuckerman is

> taking up the saline topic. For too long, it was

> ignored as being off topic. In a recent article, she

> denounced salines as being dangerous too . . . AND Dr.

> Melmed commented on contaminated salines . . . Both of

> these comments are new. Salines are already FDA

> approved . .. with no obvious monitoring!

>

> In the meantime, manufacturer's are almost ready to go

> to the FDA with the " newest, latest, greatest " breast

> implant . . . The cohesive gel implant. . It won't

> rupture - but the body will try to disassemble it just

> the same. Platinum is probably used as a catalyst

> there too because the government hasn't recognized the

> health problems of platinum, except in an occupational

> setting.

>

> People at the FDA have been given the message! . . .

> However, I think the political pressure is really

> heavy to approve these deadly devices! . . . Money

> talks!

>

> Just yesterday I read where the FDA is approving an

> implant device that sends electrical currents to the

> brain, supposedly to help with depression. This is

> despite the unanimous dissent of the FDA scientists! .

> . . In the study, the device showed no improvement

> with depression. Possible complications are serious.

> Yet they are approving this device! What is wrong with

> this picture?

>

> I'm all for women suing! . . . My concern is that, too

> often when women decide to sue, their healing is

> retarded because of the stress brought on by the law

> suit as well as the energy given to watching/measuring

> the negative health effects from the device. If you

> can keep all that in balance, more power to you! Just

> know that the deck is stacked in their favor and that

> you will have an uphill climb. Nevertheless, I'm

> convinced that one of these days, those responsible

> are going to pay - BIG TIME!

>

> The FDA Breast Implant hearing testimony is all

> available online with a simple websearch. Read it.

> You'll wonder how any sane person would consider

> breast implants safe after reading the testimony!

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

Patty,

I sent a message to Deb asking about the status of her

study earlier today. . .

The last time I heard from her, she was settling in in

St. Louis. She didn't sound as though she was really

into the study at the time, althought she planned to

continue it. Understandable with the upheaval in their

lives.

I'm holding back on putting info out again until I

hear from her.

She didn't have any funding at the time. Judging from

Melmed's messages, she has a new email address, and

he's in contact with her - as well as Dr. Feng.

I'm thinking that she may be working through some of

the plastic surgeons to get the bio-samples she needs

for the study. We had discussed this when I talked to

her last.

I'd like to hear from someone who has been to Dr.

Melmed recently. He sounds like he may have changed

his mind about the problems inherent with saline

capsules.

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Great attitude!

Yes, this implant stuff can get confusing, because alot of people

don't realize that saline implants still contain silicone. Of

course, not in the contents, but in the shell. One woman I spoke to

was flabbergasted to hear that her saline implants contained a

silicone shell. I can only ask myself, what in the world do they

think is holding all that saline water in place? Uh,perhaps a water

balloon? A pig's bladder? I never ask that question, but I am

amazed at how many people do not realize that a saline implant is

more than just saline water. And it really is the fault of the

manufacturer's and medical professionals who are pushing saline

implants as " safe " because " it's only salt water. "

Right, it is only salt water, but what about the rest of it?

Chemicals to create a silicone shell, including heavy metals that

act as a catalyst. And alot women are reacting to all those

chemicals as they break down in the body.

So you are absolutely right. Both implants are just poisonous. And

every implant made in the future will be just as poisonous if they

continue using silicone, which they are. It doesn't really matter

if the silicone is cohesive gel or not. Silicone is silicone.

The FDA is corrupt. That's all there is to it. They are not

interested in protecting the American public. They are interested in

their stocks and the money they will earn because of their power to

make decisions. It's pretty plain and simple.

I don't know about the CDC. I am sure Dr. Kolb does though. You

might want to ask her about it.

Patty

>

> I'm a little baffled by all of the silicone implant stuff. It

seems

> to get more confusing everyday. If you ask me they're both just

as

> poisonous as the other. However, many links, articles, studies,

and

> postings often refer to silicone. My issue is with saline and

when

> it comes down to it, that's what will be relevant to my case in

> court.

>

> Which reminds me...Rogene I'm aware that many attorneys will not

> even take on an implant company or survivor ~ very

tragic...However,

> my situation is very different than everyone elses but I haven't

> figured out if it will work for me or against me. That being

said,

> I'm the kind of person that will not be quiet when it comes to

> something I believe in. I'm highly resourceful and pretty well-

> connected. It's only a matter of time. This all got me to

> thinking...Why is there so much focus on the FDA? Clearly, they

> refuse to take responsibility for their ignorance. And everything

> being said to the FDA is falling on deaf ears. I think now the

> focus should be on the disease processes and sickness resulting

from

> the implants and how wide-spread it has become.

> So....

> Who better to take on that task than the CDC? They're not just

> about epidemics and airborne spores etc. And since they are right

> here in Atlanta....

> So you see, I will not be quiet. I refuse to be quiet. Even if I

> have to go park my biscuits out in front of the CDC as a

protester!

> Rest assured, somebody WILL hear us!

>

> I'll keep you posted.

>

[Guest guest]

I always knew that my shells were silicone...what I didn't know was that the problems continued with silicone even though it was only the shell. It was my understanding that the saline implants, regardless of the shell were supposed to be much "safer". What- everrrrr!

My point?

So even now when somebody references silicone it include the saline implantees too? That's where I got lost....but I appreciate the clarification.

> >> > I'm a little baffled by all of the silicone implant stuff. It > seems > > to get more confusing everyday. If you ask me they're both just > as > > poisonous as the other. However, many links, articles, studies, > and > > postings often refer to silicone. My issue is with saline and > when > > it comes down to it, that's what will be relevant to my case in > > court.> > > > Which reminds me...Rogene I'm aware that many attorneys will not > > even take on an implant company or survivor ~ very > tragic...However, > > my situation is very different than everyone elses but I haven't > > figured out if it will work for me or against me. That being > said, > > I'm the kind of person that will not be quiet when it comes to > > something I believe in. I'm highly resourceful and pretty well-> > connected. It's only a matter of time. This all got me to > > thinking...Why is there so much focus on the FDA? Clearly, they > > refuse to take responsibility for their ignorance. And everything > > being said to the FDA is falling on deaf ears. I think now the > > focus should be on the disease processes and sickness resulting > from > > the implants and how wide-spread it has become. > > So....> > Who better to take on that task than the CDC? They're not just > > about epidemics and airborne spores etc. And since they are right > > here in Atlanta....> > So you see, I will not be quiet. I refuse to be quiet. Even if I > > have to go park my biscuits out in front of the CDC as a > protester! > > Rest assured, somebody WILL hear us!> > > > I'll keep you posted.> >>

[Guest guest]

Wow!! You go, girl!! No matter how you slice it, implants are bad

news - whether saline, silicone, soya, polyeurethane, or anything

else the manufacturers have developed so far. The sad thing is that

many women associate saline with " safe " , and then spend years trying

to find out why they're ill only to be told it can't possibly be the

implants.

I'm really glad to hear that you've got connections, and that you're

not afraid to fight for this cause. It's people like you and many

others on this site who have paved the way for the rest of us.

Sis

>

> I'm a little baffled by all of the silicone implant stuff. It

seems

> to get more confusing everyday. If you ask me they're both just

as

> poisonous as the other. However, many links, articles, studies,

and

> postings often refer to silicone. My issue is with saline and

when

> it comes down to it, that's what will be relevant to my case in

> court.

>

> Which reminds me...Rogene I'm aware that many attorneys will not

> even take on an implant company or survivor ~ very

tragic...However,

> my situation is very different than everyone elses but I haven't

> figured out if it will work for me or against me. That being

said,

> I'm the kind of person that will not be quiet when it comes to

> something I believe in. I'm highly resourceful and pretty well-

> connected. It's only a matter of time. This all got me to

> thinking...Why is there so much focus on the FDA? Clearly, they

> refuse to take responsibility for their ignorance. And everything

> being said to the FDA is falling on deaf ears. I think now the

> focus should be on the disease processes and sickness resulting

from

> the implants and how wide-spread it has become.

> So....

> Who better to take on that task than the CDC? They're not just

> about epidemics and airborne spores etc. And since they are right

> here in Atlanta....

> So you see, I will not be quiet. I refuse to be quiet. Even if I

> have to go park my biscuits out in front of the CDC as a

protester!

> Rest assured, somebody WILL hear us!

>

> I'll keep you posted.

>

[Guest guest]

Yup, we saline implantees have the same problems as the silicone gel

women did, in terms of disease processes. However, there are a few

differences to be certain. The silicone gel, if it ruptures, can

migrate to various organs of the body and really cause terrible

malfunctions of bodily processes. On the other hand, saline

implants can harbor mold and bacteria in colonies, which if the

implant ruptures, will be spread throughout the body. This can

include mycoplasma infections, which are difficult to treat. Both

kinds of implants can experience infections surrounding the implants

in the capsules, and systemic candida infections.

My fear with the new cohesive gel implants is the heavy metal

content. It believe is the platinum or tin that is used as a

catalyst to change the consistency of liquid silicone into a gel.

My guess is that to make them more gummy, they have to use more

heavy metals. If that is true, then the new implants will NOT be

good! More women will get sick with heavy metal toxicity, which

usually shows up in neurological problems, such as twitching,

numbness and also cognitive difficulties. If the FDA approves the

new cohesive gel implants (and that is very likely, but I hope not),

then we can expect to see many more women ill with strange

neurological problems, in my opinion. Time will tell.

Oh, by the way, I did want to mention that saline implantees were

included in the first Dow Corning lawsuit! I'm pretty sure of

that ....Lynda, you would know that better than me...but I do

believe that saline implant victims have already been considered

legally.

Patty

> > >

> > > I'm a little baffled by all of the silicone implant stuff. It

> > seems

> > > to get more confusing everyday. If you ask me they're both just

> > as

> > > poisonous as the other. However, many links, articles, studies,

> > and

> > > postings often refer to silicone. My issue is with saline and

> > when

> > > it comes down to it, that's what will be relevant to my case in

> > > court.

> > >

> > > Which reminds me...Rogene I'm aware that many attorneys will

not

> > > even take on an implant company or survivor ~ very

> > tragic...However,

> > > my situation is very different than everyone elses but I

haven't

> > > figured out if it will work for me or against me. That being

> > said,

> > > I'm the kind of person that will not be quiet when it comes to

> > > something I believe in. I'm highly resourceful and pretty well-

> > > connected. It's only a matter of time. This all got me to

> > > thinking...Why is there so much focus on the FDA? Clearly, they

> > > refuse to take responsibility for their ignorance. And

everything

> > > being said to the FDA is falling on deaf ears. I think now the

> > > focus should be on the disease processes and sickness resulting

> > from

> > > the implants and how wide-spread it has become.

> > > So....

> > > Who better to take on that task than the CDC? They're not just

> > > about epidemics and airborne spores etc. And since they are

right

> > > here in Atlanta....

> > > So you see, I will not be quiet. I refuse to be quiet. Even if

I

> > > have to go park my biscuits out in front of the CDC as a

> > protester!

> > > Rest assured, somebody WILL hear us!

> > >

> > > I'll keep you posted.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Patty . . . women implanted after 1992, saline or gel,

are subject to a different set of rules! . . . They

signed (supposedly) an Informed Consent that absolved

the doctors and manufacturer's from all problems.

That's likely to be challenged in court.

Rogene