Re: Sis and question for all

February 10, 2006

I did too, so I would likely have been like you and Kathy. I would have to

think simply detoxing for someone like you, wouldn't be enough because you

have got to calm down the body's auto immune reaction.

Out of all the women here, how many of you think you had auto immune issues

prior to implantation and how long has it taken to get better? How many of

you were well prior to implantation and how long has it taken to get well?

I'm curious if those with auto immune issues prior to implantation have

taken longer to get well.

Kenda

> I think I had autoimmune issues to begin with, and the implants

> pushed me over the edge.

>

> Sis

>

>>>>>

>>>>> Hang in there Sis! I as still feeling pretty poorly at 3 onths

>>> with

>>>>> all the detoxing etc. It was at about 3.5 months that I started

>>> to

>>>>> dance again and that has REALLY helped me out a lot! The

> dancing

>>> is

>>>>> very slow and controlled, so it is a great workout, but not

>>> aerobics

>>>>> like, more like yoga. Try doing some yoga stretching everyday

>>> and

>>>>> maybe that will help you too.

>>>>>

>>>>> Big hugs!

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given by licensed

>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> health care

>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>

>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> mislead you.

>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> how to live a

>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> two-time

>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>

>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

>>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>>>

February 10, 2006

I had absolutely no autoimmune problems prior to implantation. All

my problems were implant caused. And no-one in my family still has

the type of problems I have developed.

Lynda

At 06:07 PM 2/10/2006, you wrote:

>I did too, so I would likely have been like you and Kathy. I would have to

>think simply detoxing for someone like you, wouldn't be enough because you

>have got to calm down the body's auto immune reaction.

>

>Out of all the women here, how many of you think you had auto immune issues

>prior to implantation and how long has it taken to get better? How many of

>you were well prior to implantation and how long has it taken to get well?

>I'm curious if those with auto immune issues prior to implantation have

>taken longer to get well.

>

>Kenda

>

> > I think I had autoimmune issues to begin with, and the implants

> > pushed me over the edge.

> >

> > Sis

> >

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Hang in there Sis! I as still feeling pretty poorly at 3 onths

> >>> with

> >>>>> all the detoxing etc. It was at about 3.5 months that I started

> >>> to

> >>>>> dance again and that has REALLY helped me out a lot! The

> > dancing

> >>> is

> >>>>> very slow and controlled, so it is a great workout, but not

> >>> aerobics

> >>>>> like, more like yoga. Try doing some yoga stretching everyday

> >>> and

> >>>>> maybe that will help you too.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Big hugs!

> >>>>>

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> > given by licensed

> >>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> > health care

> >>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>

> >>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > mislead you.

> >>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> > how to live a

> >>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> > two-time

> >>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>

> >>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> >>>

>

<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.com\

/action/

> >>>

February 10, 2006

Kenda, I had no health problems prior to impants. I was never sick and hardly caught colds. I even had perfect attendance at work. I didn't even start any symptoms from the implants untll I had them 2 years. Then things started going slowly downhill, which didn't speed up till the last year. As far as recovery, I guess time will tell. Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: I did too, so I would likely have been like you and Kathy. I would have tothink simply detoxing for someone like you, wouldn't be enough because youhave got to calm down the body's auto immune reaction.Out of all the women here, how many of you think you had auto immune issuesprior to implantation and how long

has it taken to get better? How many ofyou were well prior to implantation and how long has it taken to get well?I'm curious if those with auto immune issues prior to implantation havetaken longer to get well.Kenda> I think I had autoimmune issues to begin with, and the implants> pushed me over the edge.> > Sis> > >>>>> >>>>> Hang in there Sis! I as still feeling pretty poorly at 3 onths>>> with >>>>> all the detoxing etc. It was at about 3.5 months that I started>>> to >>>>> dance again and that has REALLY helped me out a lot! The> dancing>>> is >>>>> very slow and controlled, so it is a great workout, but not>>> aerobics >>>>> like, more like yoga. Try doing some yoga stretching everyday>>> and >>>>> maybe that will help you too.>>>>> >>>>> Big

hugs!>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice> given by licensed>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed> health care>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.>>> >>> "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians> mislead you.>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about> how to live a>>> happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing,> two-time>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)>>> >>> See our photos website! Enter "implants" for access at this link:>>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/>>> >>>

February 10, 2006

Lynda,

Did you get well pretty quickly after explanation or was it a lengthy

recovery? Do you consider yourself well now?

Kenda

> I had absolutely no autoimmune problems prior to implantation. All

> my problems were implant caused. And no-one in my family still has

> the type of problems I have developed.

>

> Lynda

>

> At 06:07 PM 2/10/2006, you wrote:

>> I did too, so I would likely have been like you and Kathy. I would have to

>> think simply detoxing for someone like you, wouldn't be enough because you

>> have got to calm down the body's auto immune reaction.

>>

>> Out of all the women here, how many of you think you had auto immune issues

>> prior to implantation and how long has it taken to get better? How many of

>> you were well prior to implantation and how long has it taken to get well?

>> I'm curious if those with auto immune issues prior to implantation have

>> taken longer to get well.

>>

>> Kenda

>>

>>> I think I had autoimmune issues to begin with, and the implants

>>> pushed me over the edge.

>>>

>>> Sis

>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Hang in there Sis! I as still feeling pretty poorly at 3 onths

>>>>> with

>>>>>>> all the detoxing etc. It was at about 3.5 months that I started

>>>>> to

>>>>>>> dance again and that has REALLY helped me out a lot! The

>>> dancing

>>>>> is

>>>>>>> very slow and controlled, so it is a great workout, but not

>>>>> aerobics

>>>>>>> like, more like yoga. Try doing some yoga stretching everyday

>>>>> and

>>>>>>> maybe that will help you too.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Big hugs!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

>>> given by licensed

>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>>> health care

>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>>

>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>>> mislead you.

>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

>>> how to live a

>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

>>> two-time

>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>>

>>>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

>>>>>

>> <http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.

>> com/action/

>>>>>

February 10, 2006

,

It will be interesting to see if maybe you heal more quickly since you were

so healthy prior to implantation. I sure hope so!!

Kenda

> Kenda,

>

> I had no health problems prior to impants. I was never sick and hardly

> caught colds. I even had perfect attendance at work. I didn't even start any

> symptoms from the implants untll I had them 2 years. Then things started

> going slowly downhill, which didn't speed up till the last year. As far as

> recovery, I guess time will tell.

>

> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote:

> I did too, so I would likely have been like you and Kathy. I would have to

> think simply detoxing for someone like you, wouldn't be enough because you

> have got to calm down the body's auto immune reaction.

>

> Out of all the women here, how many of you think you had auto immune issues

> prior to implantation and how long has it taken to get better? How many of

> you were well prior to implantation and how long has it taken to get well?

> I'm curious if those with auto immune issues prior to implantation have

> taken longer to get well.

>

> Kenda

>

>> I think I had autoimmune issues to begin with, and the implants

>> pushed me over the edge.

>>

>> Sis

>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hang in there Sis! I as still feeling pretty poorly at 3 onths

>>>> with

>>>>>> all the detoxing etc. It was at about 3.5 months that I started

>>>> to

>>>>>> dance again and that has REALLY helped me out a lot! The

>> dancing

>>>> is

>>>>>> very slow and controlled, so it is a great workout, but not

>>>> aerobics

>>>>>> like, more like yoga. Try doing some yoga stretching everyday

>>>> and

>>>>>> maybe that will help you too.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Big hugs!

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

>> given by licensed

>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>> health care

>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>

>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>> mislead you.

>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

>> how to live a

>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

>> two-time

>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>

>>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

>>>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>>>>

February 10, 2006

I almost died, and it took a long time to even feel normal. I had

silicone dumped into my chest by a plastic surgeon.

I don't think you can compare that with saline implants in that I was

exposed to many toxic metals that are used as catalysts in implants.

But, I am much better because I detoxed my body for years. It saved my life.

Lynda

At 06:48 PM 2/10/2006, you wrote:

>Lynda,

>

>Did you get well pretty quickly after explanation or was it a lengthy

>recovery? Do you consider yourself well now?

>

>Kenda

>

> > I had absolutely no autoimmune problems prior to implantation. All

> > my problems were implant caused. And no-one in my family still has

> > the type of problems I have developed.

> >

> > Lynda

> >

> > At 06:07 PM 2/10/2006, you wrote:

> >> I did too, so I would likely have been like you and Kathy. I

> would have to

> >> think simply detoxing for someone like you, wouldn't be enough because you

> >> have got to calm down the body's auto immune reaction.

> >>

> >> Out of all the women here, how many of you think you had auto

> immune issues

> >> prior to implantation and how long has it taken to get

> better? How many of

> >> you were well prior to implantation and how long has it taken to get well?

> >> I'm curious if those with auto immune issues prior to implantation have

> >> taken longer to get well.

> >>

> >> Kenda

> >>

> >>> I think I had autoimmune issues to begin with, and the implants

> >>> pushed me over the edge.

> >>>

> >>> Sis

> >>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Hang in there Sis! I as still feeling pretty poorly at 3 onths

> >>>>> with

> >>>>>>> all the detoxing etc. It was at about 3.5 months that I started

> >>>>> to

> >>>>>>> dance again and that has REALLY helped me out a lot! The

> >>> dancing

> >>>>> is

> >>>>>>> very slow and controlled, so it is a great workout, but not

> >>>>> aerobics

> >>>>>>> like, more like yoga. Try doing some yoga stretching everyday

> >>>>> and

> >>>>>>> maybe that will help you too.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Big hugs!

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> >>> given by licensed

> >>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> >>> health care

> >>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> >>> mislead you.

> >>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> >>> how to live a

> >>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> >>> two-time

> >>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>>>

> >>>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> >>>>>

> >>

>

<<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.co\

m/action/>http://.shutterfly.

> >> com/action/

> >>>>>

February 10, 2006

That is really scary, I'm so sorry!

There probably aren't a lot of fair comparisons because I'm sure some women

were contaminated by a less than sterile surgery, past auto immune history,

botched surgeries -- countless problems.

I'm glad you're doing well, detoxing regained my health as well.

Kenda

> I almost died, and it took a long time to even feel normal. I had

> silicone dumped into my chest by a plastic surgeon.

>

> I don't think you can compare that with saline implants in that I was

> exposed to many toxic metals that are used as catalysts in implants.

>

> But, I am much better because I detoxed my body for years. It saved my life.

>

> Lynda

>

> At 06:48 PM 2/10/2006, you wrote:

>> Lynda,

>>

>> Did you get well pretty quickly after explanation or was it a lengthy

>> recovery? Do you consider yourself well now?

>>

>> Kenda

>>

>>> I had absolutely no autoimmune problems prior to implantation. All

>>> my problems were implant caused. And no-one in my family still has

>>> the type of problems I have developed.

>>>

>>> Lynda

>>>

>>> At 06:07 PM 2/10/2006, you wrote:

>>>> I did too, so I would likely have been like you and Kathy. I

>> would have to

>>>> think simply detoxing for someone like you, wouldn't be enough because you

>>>> have got to calm down the body's auto immune reaction.

>>>>

>>>> Out of all the women here, how many of you think you had auto

>> immune issues

>>>> prior to implantation and how long has it taken to get

>> better? How many of

>>>> you were well prior to implantation and how long has it taken to get well?

>>>> I'm curious if those with auto immune issues prior to implantation have

>>>> taken longer to get well.

>>>>

>>>> Kenda

>>>>

>>>>> I think I had autoimmune issues to begin with, and the implants

>>>>> pushed me over the edge.

>>>>>

>>>>> Sis

>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Hang in there Sis! I as still feeling pretty poorly at 3 onths

>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>> all the detoxing etc. It was at about 3.5 months that I started

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>> dance again and that has REALLY helped me out a lot! The

>>>>> dancing

>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> very slow and controlled, so it is a great workout, but not

>>>>>>> aerobics

>>>>>>>>> like, more like yoga. Try doing some yoga stretching everyday

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>> maybe that will help you too.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Big hugs!

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

>>>>> given by licensed

>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>>>>> health care

>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>>>>> mislead you.

>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

>>>>> how to live a

>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

>>>>> two-time

>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

>>>>>>>

>>>>

>> <<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly

>> .com/action/>http://.shutterfly.

>>>> com/action/

>>>>>>>

February 10, 2006

Kenda,

I had no autoimmune issues prior to explant. I was healthy as a

horse.

However, it has become evident that a predisposition toward

autoimmunity may exist in my family. Nobody had any autoimmune

diseases before. But, after my mother got knee replacements, she

exhibited autoimmune symptoms and has been diagnosed with

fibromyalgia at least, and takes plaquenil and other drugs now.

My cousin had some type of abdominal surgery, in which the doctor

mistakenly left a sponge in her body when he sewed her up (maybe it

was a hysterectomy or something, not sure?) In any case, after

suffering for almost a year with this mysteriously ill condition,

they opened her back up and found the disgusting sponge in her body.

She is now on disability with an autoimmune disease...lupus, I

believe.

Scary stuff when you put things in your body....I believe that we

could go our whole life and not actually have the disease, but when

you get a trigger like implants, it sets it off. That appears to

have happened to my family 3 times in the last 8 years.

Patty

> >>>>

> >>>> Thanks, . Your message really helped, as I am very

> >>> depressed

> >>>> today. Also Patty's note on Dr. Weil's book helped, too.

I've

> >>> got an

> >>>> appointment next week with Dr. Leu, Kenda's naturopath, so I

> > hope

> >>> he

> >>>> can help me. I feel like such a lost cause, because it seems

> > like

> >>>> anything new I introduce into my body causes something else to

> >>> happen -

> >>>> even natural substances cause my hormones to go out of whack

> > and

> >>> then

> >>>> I'm not sleeping at night and hot flashing. So, because of

that

> >>> I'm

> >>>> afraid to take anything at all, even natural stuff.

> >>>>

> >>>> Last night my husband handed me this pamphlet on Amyloidosis,

> >>> which I

> >>>> had never heard of, and I asked why he handed it to me. He

said

> >>> some

> >>>> of the symptoms are like mine, and I said " I've got

> >>> boobaloidosis!! " .

> >>>> It gave me the impression that my husband still doesn't

believe

> >>> the

> >>>> implants made me sick, even though weeks after getting them I

> >>> started

> >>>> having symptoms.

> >>>>

> >>>> Sis

> >>>>

> >>>> We're due to have a big blizzard here this weekend, so that

> > should

> >>> be

> >>>> interesting.

> >>>>

> >>>> --- In , " ktitko " <ktitko@>

wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Hang in there Sis! I as still feeling pretty poorly at 3

onths

> >>> with

> >>>>> all the detoxing etc. It was at about 3.5 months that I

started

> >>> to

> >>>>> dance again and that has REALLY helped me out a lot! The

> > dancing

> >>> is

> >>>>> very slow and controlled, so it is a great workout, but not

> >>> aerobics

> >>>>> like, more like yoga. Try doing some yoga stretching everyday

> >>> and

> >>>>> maybe that will help you too.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Big hugs!

> >>>>>

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> > given by licensed

> >>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> > health care

> >>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>

> >>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > mislead you.

> >>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> > how to live a

> >>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

ing,

> > two-time

> >>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>

> >>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

link:

> >>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> >>>

February 10, 2006

Hi Patty,

I think you're right about being predisposed to autoimmune problems but not

have the disease until you have a trigger. I sure wish I knew what my

trigger was, I know there has to have been one.

Kenda

> Kenda,

> I had no autoimmune issues prior to explant. I was healthy as a

> horse.

>

> However, it has become evident that a predisposition toward

> autoimmunity may exist in my family. Nobody had any autoimmune

> diseases before. But, after my mother got knee replacements, she

> exhibited autoimmune symptoms and has been diagnosed with

> fibromyalgia at least, and takes plaquenil and other drugs now.

>

> My cousin had some type of abdominal surgery, in which the doctor

> mistakenly left a sponge in her body when he sewed her up (maybe it

> was a hysterectomy or something, not sure?) In any case, after

> suffering for almost a year with this mysteriously ill condition,

> they opened her back up and found the disgusting sponge in her body.

> She is now on disability with an autoimmune disease...lupus, I

> believe.

>

> Scary stuff when you put things in your body....I believe that we

> could go our whole life and not actually have the disease, but when

> you get a trigger like implants, it sets it off. That appears to

> have happened to my family 3 times in the last 8 years.

> Patty

>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Hang in there Sis! I as still feeling pretty poorly at 3

> onths

>>>>> with

>>>>>>> all the detoxing etc. It was at about 3.5 months that I

> started

>>>>> to

>>>>>>> dance again and that has REALLY helped me out a lot! The

>>> dancing

>>>>> is

>>>>>>> very slow and controlled, so it is a great workout, but not

>>>>> aerobics

>>>>>>> like, more like yoga. Try doing some yoga stretching everyday

>>>>> and

>>>>>>> maybe that will help you too.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Big hugs!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

>>> given by licensed

>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>>> health care

>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>>

>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>>> mislead you.

>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

>>> how to live a

>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> ing,

>>> two-time

>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>>

>>>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

> link:

>>>>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>>>>>

February 11, 2006

That's exactly right. I have had discussions with a couple of rheumatologists

about this...

And it CERTAINLY does not make implants safe.

Not everyone acquires lung cancer from smoking. But nobody would claim that

cigarettes

are safe.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Hang in there Sis! I as still feeling pretty poorly at 3

> > onths

> >>>>> with

> >>>>>>> all the detoxing etc. It was at about 3.5 months that I

> > started

> >>>>> to

> >>>>>>> dance again and that has REALLY helped me out a lot! The

> >>> dancing

> >>>>> is

> >>>>>>> very slow and controlled, so it is a great workout, but not

> >>>>> aerobics

> >>>>>>> like, more like yoga. Try doing some yoga stretching everyday

> >>>>> and

> >>>>>>> maybe that will help you too.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Big hugs!

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> >>> given by licensed

> >>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> >>> health care

> >>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> >>> mislead you.

> >>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> >>> how to live a

> >>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> > ing,

> >>> two-time

> >>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>>>

> >>>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

> > link:

> >>>>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> >>>>>

February 11, 2006

Hi Molly,

Welcome back!

We weren't discussing the safety of implants at all. We were saying that

some people may have a predisposition toward auto immune problems and live

their lives without ever acquiring a disease. If some women weren't

implanted it is possible they could have lived their lives healthfully,

without the disease being exacerbated. Not all women who have implanted

related illness have auto immune problems, according to the doctor I spoke

with.

Kenda

> That's exactly right. I have had discussions with a couple of

> rheumatologists about this...

> And it CERTAINLY does not make implants safe.

> Not everyone acquires lung cancer from smoking. But nobody would claim that

> cigarettes

> are safe.

>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Hang in there Sis! I as still feeling pretty poorly at 3

>>> onths

>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>> all the detoxing etc. It was at about 3.5 months that I

>>> started

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>> dance again and that has REALLY helped me out a lot! The

>>>>> dancing

>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> very slow and controlled, so it is a great workout, but not

>>>>>>> aerobics

>>>>>>>>> like, more like yoga. Try doing some yoga stretching everyday

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>> maybe that will help you too.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Big hugs!

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

>>>>> given by licensed

>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>>>>> health care

>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>>>>> mislead you.

>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

>>>>> how to live a

>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

>>> ing,

>>>>> two-time

>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

>>> link:

>>>>>>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>>>>>>>

February 11, 2006

Thanks Kenda. I am working part time now for an attorney on BI settlements!

I understand that is what you were discussing. I agree that some people have a

predisposition for autoimmune illness.

A very good analogy is cigarettes. Some smokers never get lung cancer. Many

do.

But one would never suggest cigarettes are safe (not now, anyway) because some

smokers

never get lung cancer.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Hang in there Sis! I as still feeling pretty poorly at 3

> >>> onths

> >>>>>>> with

> >>>>>>>>> all the detoxing etc. It was at about 3.5 months that I

> >>> started

> >>>>>>> to

> >>>>>>>>> dance again and that has REALLY helped me out a lot! The

> >>>>> dancing

> >>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>> very slow and controlled, so it is a great workout, but not

> >>>>>>> aerobics

> >>>>>>>>> like, more like yoga. Try doing some yoga stretching everyday

> >>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>>> maybe that will help you too.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Big hugs!

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> >>>>> given by licensed

> >>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> >>>>> health care

> >>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> >>>>> mislead you.

> >>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> >>>>> how to live a

> >>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> >>> ing,

> >>>>> two-time

> >>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

> >>> link:

> >>>>>>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> >>>>>>>

February 11, 2006

Hi Molly,

It is good to hear from you again. And you're working! That's

awesome,and even more so with what you are doing!

I bet it is very interesting seeing what comes through your office.

Patty

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> Hang in there Sis! I as still feeling pretty poorly at

3

> > >>> onths

> > >>>>>>> with

> > >>>>>>>>> all the detoxing etc. It was at about 3.5 months that I

> > >>> started

> > >>>>>>> to

> > >>>>>>>>> dance again and that has REALLY helped me out a lot!

The

> > >>>>> dancing

> > >>>>>>> is

> > >>>>>>>>> very slow and controlled, so it is a great workout,

but not

> > >>>>>>> aerobics

> > >>>>>>>>> like, more like yoga. Try doing some yoga stretching

everyday

> > >>>>>>> and

> > >>>>>>>>> maybe that will help you too.

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> Big hugs!

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

advice

> > >>>>> given by licensed

> > >>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or

licensed

> > >>>>> health care

> > >>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

politicians

> > >>>>> mislead you.

> > >>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

about

> > >>>>> how to live a

> > >>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> > >>> ing,

> > >>>>> two-time

> > >>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at

this

> > >>> link:

> > >>>>>>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> > >>>>>>>

February 11, 2006

Molly,

I think you are still misunderstanding. We weren't talking about breast

implants. Cigarettes and breast implants do have similarities, cigarettes

cause illness in some and not others, as is true with implants. But again,

we weren't discussing implants in regard to auto immune disease. The point

was simply that a woman could have a predisposition to auto immune disease

and be healthy. Had she never been implanted, she might have lived a

healthy life. Because she was implanted, the auto immune disease manifest

itself. I think you are interpreting what we were saying as the opposite as

what was meant.

Kenda

> Thanks Kenda. I am working part time now for an attorney on BI settlements!

>

> I understand that is what you were discussing. I agree that some people have

> a

> predisposition for autoimmune illness.

> A very good analogy is cigarettes. Some smokers never get lung cancer. Many

> do.

> But one would never suggest cigarettes are safe (not now, anyway) because some

> smokers

> never get lung cancer.

>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Hang in there Sis! I as still feeling pretty poorly at 3

>>>>> onths

>>>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>>>> all the detoxing etc. It was at about 3.5 months that I

>>>>> started

>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>> dance again and that has REALLY helped me out a lot! The

>>>>>>> dancing

>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>> very slow and controlled, so it is a great workout, but not

>>>>>>>>> aerobics

>>>>>>>>>>> like, more like yoga. Try doing some yoga stretching everyday

>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>> maybe that will help you too.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Big hugs!

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

>>>>>>> given by licensed

>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>>>>>>> health care

>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>>>>>>> mislead you.

>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

>>>>>>> how to live a

>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

>>>>> ing,

>>>>>>> two-time

>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

>>>>> link:

>>>>>>>>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>>>>>>>>>

February 11, 2006

No I was interpreting it exactly as you said here.

The toxin can be a catlyst that can initiate the disease process in one who

ordinarily might

be healthy, but who has a predisposition to autoimmune illness. That was my

point.

I added a second point that just because some people do not get sick from

implants, or

cigarettes does not mean these products are safe.

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Hang in there Sis! I as still feeling pretty poorly at 3

> >>>>> onths

> >>>>>>>>> with

> >>>>>>>>>>> all the detoxing etc. It was at about 3.5 months that I

> >>>>> started

> >>>>>>>>> to

> >>>>>>>>>>> dance again and that has REALLY helped me out a lot! The

> >>>>>>> dancing

> >>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>>>> very slow and controlled, so it is a great workout, but not

> >>>>>>>>> aerobics

> >>>>>>>>>>> like, more like yoga. Try doing some yoga stretching everyday

> >>>>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>>>>> maybe that will help you too.

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Big hugs!

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> >>>>>>> given by licensed

> >>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> >>>>>>> health care

> >>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> >>>>>>> mislead you.

> >>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> >>>>>>> how to live a

> >>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> >>>>> ing,

> >>>>>>> two-time

> >>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

> >>>>> link:

> >>>>>>>>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> >>>>>>>>>

February 11, 2006

Gotcha. I thought you were combining the points. I don't think anyone here

is going to say that implants or cigarettes are safe products.

Kenda

>

> No I was interpreting it exactly as you said here.

> The toxin can be a catlyst that can initiate the disease process in one who

> ordinarily might

> be healthy, but who has a predisposition to autoimmune illness. That was my

> point.

>

> I added a second point that just because some people do not get sick from

> implants, or

> cigarettes does not mean these products are safe.

>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Hang in there Sis! I as still feeling pretty poorly at 3

>>>>>>> onths

>>>>>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>>>>> all the detoxing etc. It was at about 3.5 months that I

>>>>>>> started

>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> dance again and that has REALLY helped me out a lot! The

>>>>>>>>> dancing

>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>>> very slow and controlled, so it is a great workout, but not

>>>>>>>>>>> aerobics

>>>>>>>>>>>> like, more like yoga. Try doing some yoga stretching everyday

>>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe that will help you too.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Big hugs!

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

>>>>>>>>> given by licensed

>>>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>>>>>>>>> health care

>>>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>>>>>>>>> mislead you.

>>>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

>>>>>>>>> how to live a

>>>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

>>>>>>> ing,

>>>>>>>>> two-time

>>>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

>>>>>>> link:

>>>>>>>>>>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>>>>>>>>>>>

February 11, 2006

Exactly. ;-)

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hang in there Sis! I as still feeling pretty poorly at 3

> >>>>>>> onths

> >>>>>>>>>>> with

> >>>>>>>>>>>> all the detoxing etc. It was at about 3.5 months that I

> >>>>>>> started

> >>>>>>>>>>> to

> >>>>>>>>>>>> dance again and that has REALLY helped me out a lot! The

> >>>>>>>>> dancing

> >>>>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>>>>> very slow and controlled, so it is a great workout, but not

> >>>>>>>>>>> aerobics

> >>>>>>>>>>>> like, more like yoga. Try doing some yoga stretching everyday

> >>>>>>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>>>>>> maybe that will help you too.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Big hugs!

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> >>>>>>>>> given by licensed

> >>>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> >>>>>>>>> health care

> >>>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> >>>>>>>>> mislead you.

> >>>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> >>>>>>>>> how to live a

> >>>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> >>>>>>> ing,

> >>>>>>>>> two-time

> >>>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

> >>>>>>> link:

> >>>>>>>>>>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> >>>>>>>>>>>

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