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The Doctor we were seeing in San Diego is Yuan Wang in Poway. She is

still on the faculty at PCOM. Is this the same Dr. Wang you know?

Sandy

> >

> >> I assume you are referring to my original TCM doctor, Dr. Wang

in San

> >> Diego. As you probably know, you have to be a Peng or married to

a Peng in

> >> order to get their recipes and ingredients.

> >>

> >> Here is the list of herbs from Dr. Wang:

> >>

> >> Huang lian

> >> Rou gui

> >> Mai men dong

> >> Tian men dong

> >> Fu ling

> >> Bai zhu

> >> Shan yao

> >> Job's tears

> >> Gou Qi Zi

> >> Gan cao

> >>

> >> Sandy

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Ormonde, L.Ac.

> >

www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com<http://www.auburncommunityacupunctu

re.com/>

> >

> >

>

>

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> Ormonde, L.Ac.

> www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com

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That's interesting you say that because, calm is definitely what I

would not describe my son right now. He has always been ADHD but has

gotten a little worse since being on the herbs. At first I wrote it

off to that his body just needed to get used to it but it lasted for

2 weeks and I couldn't handle it anymore. Dr. Wang added in another

two herbs, Suan Zao Ren and Lian Zi Xin for calming, but it

unfortunately didn't put a dent in my sons hyperactivity. Also, I

was alittle concerned that Dr. Wang was using a powder form and not

the herb. I asked her on several occasions about using raw herbs but

she kept saying that the powder was just as good and that my son

would take it easier in that form. I know I should probably give it

more time to work but it's difficult knowing that he is getting worse

and worse at school and I'm fighting to keep him in a typical

classroom. Since we are on christmas break, I felt that I just

needed to at least give Dr. Peng a try and see if he can get his adhd

in control.

Now that I finally had my consulation with Dr. Peng, he is telling me

that his mix is a concentrated powder. I really hope it makes the

difference this time.

Thanks for all your help!

Sandy

> >>

> >>> I assume you are referring to my original TCM doctor, Dr.

Wang in San

> >>> Diego. As you probably know, you have to be a Peng or married

to a Peng in

> >>> order to get their recipes and ingredients.

> >>>

> >>> Here is the list of herbs from Dr. Wang:

> >>>

> >>> Huang lian

> >>> Rou gui

> >>> Mai men dong

> >>> Tian men dong

> >>> Fu ling

> >>> Bai zhu

> >>> Shan yao

> >>> Job's tears

> >>> Gou Qi Zi

> >>> Gan cao

> >>>

> >>> Sandy

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> --

> >> Ormonde, L.Ac.

> >>

www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com<http://www.auburncommunityacupunctu

re.com/>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> > --

> > Ormonde, L.Ac.

> >

www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com<http://www.auburncommunityacupunctu

re.com/>

> >

> >

>

>

> --

> Ormonde, L.Ac.

> www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com

>

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Received my packets of concentrated powder last night from Dr. Peng.

For the life of me I don't remember if the doctor said to mix it with

hot or cold water. Will it mix better one way over the other? Also,

I'm supposed to use one bag for 2 days worth of herbs. He said to

mix it with water and then split it up because I need to give 2

servings per day. Can someone tell me how they are successfully

doing this? How much water do you mix for the whole packet in order

to make 4 servings? Before we were making them in small shots but I

think I remember all of you saying that you were making the tea and

serving in a cup, how much water are you using 4 oz, 8 oz??

Anyways, I'm going to experiment today for the first package but I

would love some input here for anyone else that is using this

protocol.

Thanks

Sandy

> > >>

> > >>> I assume you are referring to my original TCM doctor, Dr.

> Wang in San

> > >>> Diego. As you probably know, you have to be a Peng or married

> to a Peng in

> > >>> order to get their recipes and ingredients.

> > >>>

> > >>> Here is the list of herbs from Dr. Wang:

> > >>>

> > >>> Huang lian

> > >>> Rou gui

> > >>> Mai men dong

> > >>> Tian men dong

> > >>> Fu ling

> > >>> Bai zhu

> > >>> Shan yao

> > >>> Job's tears

> > >>> Gou Qi Zi

> > >>> Gan cao

> > >>>

> > >>> Sandy

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> --

> > >> Ormonde, L.Ac.

> > >>

>

www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com<http://www.auburncommunityacupunctu

> re.com/>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Ormonde, L.Ac.

> > >

>

www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com<http://www.auburncommunityacupunctu

> re.com/>

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Ormonde, L.Ac.

> > www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com

> >

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Sandy,

Didn't he include directions with the herbs? It is to sit in the bag of

cold water in a pot for 30 minutes before you start boiling it, however,

each kid is different on how many ounces of water to use and how many cups

to drink per day. I would wait until tomorrow when the office is open to

ask.

Judy

`````````````````````````````````````

> Received my packets of concentrated powder last night from Dr. Peng.

> For the life of me I don't remember if the doctor said to mix it with

> hot or cold water. Will it mix better one way over the other? Also,

> I'm supposed to use one bag for 2 days worth of herbs. He said to

> mix it with water and then split it up because I need to give 2

> servings per day. Can someone tell me how they are successfully

> doing this? How much water do you mix for the whole packet in order

> to make 4 servings? Before we were making them in small shots but I

> think I remember all of you saying that you were making the tea and

> serving in a cup, how much water are you using 4 oz, 8 oz??

>

> Anyways, I'm going to experiment today for the first package but I

> would love some input here for anyone else that is using this

> protocol.

>

> Thanks

>

> Sandy

>

>

>

>> > >>

>> > >>> I assume you are referring to my original TCM doctor, Dr.

>> Wang in San

>> > >>> Diego. As you probably know, you have to be a Peng or married

>> to a Peng in

>> > >>> order to get their recipes and ingredients.

>> > >>>

>> > >>> Here is the list of herbs from Dr. Wang:

>> > >>>

>> > >>> Huang lian

>> > >>> Rou gui

>> > >>> Mai men dong

>> > >>> Tian men dong

>> > >>> Fu ling

>> > >>> Bai zhu

>> > >>> Shan yao

>> > >>> Job's tears

>> > >>> Gou Qi Zi

>> > >>> Gan cao

>> > >>>

>> > >>> Sandy

>> > >>>

>> > >>>

>> > >>>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >> --

>> > >> Ormonde, L.Ac.

>> > >>

>>

> www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com<http://www.auburncommunityacupunctu

>> re.com/>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > --

>> > > Ormonde, L.Ac.

>> > >

>>

> www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com<http://www.auburncommunityacupunctu

>> re.com/>

>> > >

>> > >

>> >

>> >

>> > --

>> > Ormonde, L.Ac.

>> > www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com

>> >

>>

>

>

>

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I didn't receive any instructions other than each back is for 2

days. The foil sealed bags are not something I would normally boil

in. Maybe because I'm receiving them in a concentrated powder that

the instructions are different than the raw herbs you all have been

receiving. Not sure. Is there another bag I'm supposed to boil them

in?

Sandy

> >> > >>

> >> > >>> I assume you are referring to my original TCM doctor, Dr.

> >> Wang in San

> >> > >>> Diego. As you probably know, you have to be a Peng or

married

> >> to a Peng in

> >> > >>> order to get their recipes and ingredients.

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>> Here is the list of herbs from Dr. Wang:

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>> Huang lian

> >> > >>> Rou gui

> >> > >>> Mai men dong

> >> > >>> Tian men dong

> >> > >>> Fu ling

> >> > >>> Bai zhu

> >> > >>> Shan yao

> >> > >>> Job's tears

> >> > >>> Gou Qi Zi

> >> > >>> Gan cao

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>> Sandy

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

> >> > >> --

> >> > >> Ormonde, L.Ac.

> >> > >>

> >>

> >

www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com<http://www.auburncommunityacupunctu

> >> re.com/>

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > > --

> >> > > Ormonde, L.Ac.

> >> > >

> >>

> >

www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com<http://www.auburncommunityacupunctu

> >> re.com/>

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > --

> >> > Ormonde, L.Ac.

> >> > www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com

> >> >

> >>

> >

> >

> >

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I have no idea how to do the concentrated powder one. I still would wait

until tomorrow to speak to him or maybe someone on this board has done the

concentrated powder form. Good luck!

Judy

```````````````````````````````

>I didn't receive any instructions other than each back is for 2

> days. The foil sealed bags are not something I would normally boil

> in. Maybe because I'm receiving them in a concentrated powder that

> the instructions are different than the raw herbs you all have been

> receiving. Not sure. Is there another bag I'm supposed to boil them

> in?

>

> Sandy

>

>

>

>> >> > >>

>> >> > >>> I assume you are referring to my original TCM doctor, Dr.

>> >> Wang in San

>> >> > >>> Diego. As you probably know, you have to be a Peng or

> married

>> >> to a Peng in

>> >> > >>> order to get their recipes and ingredients.

>> >> > >>>

>> >> > >>> Here is the list of herbs from Dr. Wang:

>> >> > >>>

>> >> > >>> Huang lian

>> >> > >>> Rou gui

>> >> > >>> Mai men dong

>> >> > >>> Tian men dong

>> >> > >>> Fu ling

>> >> > >>> Bai zhu

>> >> > >>> Shan yao

>> >> > >>> Job's tears

>> >> > >>> Gou Qi Zi

>> >> > >>> Gan cao

>> >> > >>>

>> >> > >>> Sandy

>> >> > >>>

>> >> > >>>

>> >> > >>>

>> >> > >>

>> >> > >>

>> >> > >>

>> >> > >> --

>> >> > >> Ormonde, L.Ac.

>> >> > >>

>> >>

>> >

> www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com<http://www.auburncommunityacupunctu

>> >> re.com/>

>> >> > >>

>> >> > >>

>> >> > >

>> >> > >

>> >> > > --

>> >> > > Ormonde, L.Ac.

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >

> www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com<http://www.auburncommunityacupunctu

>> >> re.com/>

>> >> > >

>> >> > >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> > --

>> >> > Ormonde, L.Ac.

>> >> > www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >

>> >

>> >

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If ypu look back to message #58014 said Dr. peng mentioned pouring hot water over them and waiting 20 minutes to drink. Does that make sense?

Re: Dr. Peng - Concentrated powder form instead of tea??

Received my packets of concentrated powder last night from Dr. Peng.

For the life of me I don't remember if the doctor said to mix it with

hot or cold water. Will it mix better one way over the other? Also,

I'm supposed to use one bag for 2 days worth of herbs. He said to

mix it with water and then split it up because I need to give 2

servings per day. Can someone tell me how they are successfully

doing this? How much water do you mix for the whole packet in order

to make 4 servings? Before we were making them in small shots but I

think I remember all of you saying that you were making the tea and

serving in a cup, how much water are you using 4 oz, 8 oz??

Anyways, I'm going to experiment today for the first package but I

would love some input here for anyone else that is using this

protocol.

Thanks

Sandy

> > >>

> > >>> I assume you are referring to my original TCM doctor, Dr.

> Wang in San

> > >>> Diego. As you probably know, you have to be a Peng or married

> to a Peng in

> > >>> order to get their recipes and ingredients.

> > >>>

> > >>> Here is the list of herbs from Dr. Wang:

> > >>>

> > >>> Huang lian

> > >>> Rou gui

> > >>> Mai men dong

> > >>> Tian men dong

> > >>> Fu ling

> > >>> Bai zhu

> > >>> Shan yao

> > >>> Job's tears

> > >>> Gou Qi Zi

> > >>> Gan cao

> > >>>

> > >>> Sandy

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> --

> > >> Ormonde, L.Ac.

> > >>

>

www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com<http://www.auburncommunityacupunctu

> re.com/>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Ormonde, L.Ac.

> > >

>

www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com<http://www.auburncommunityacupunctu

> re.com/>

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Ormonde, L.Ac.

> > www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com

> >

>

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For what it's worth, I think it may be better to eat the ingredients

at a temperature that does not destroy enzymes and taurine and does

not alter nutritional value. I found this:

Here <http://www.msgtruth.org/NEWUNIFIEDTHEORY.pdf>

IMPORTANT FOOD SCIENCE NOTES:

HIGH HEAT DESTROYS TAURINE HIGH HEAT AND SUBSTANCES IN CORN DESTROY

TRYPTOPHAN

MOIST HEAT PRODUCES MORE FREE GLUTAMATE

GABA FITS THE SAME RECEPTORS AS VALIUM

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VITAMIN C PROTECTS FROM NEUROTOXICITY

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> > > >>> I assume you are referring to my original TCM doctor, Dr.

> > Wang in San

> > > >>> Diego. As you probably know, you have to be a Peng or

married

> > to a Peng in

> > > >>> order to get their recipes and ingredients.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Here is the list of herbs from Dr. Wang:

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Huang lian

> > > >>> Rou gui

> > > >>> Mai men dong

> > > >>> Tian men dong

> > > >>> Fu ling

> > > >>> Bai zhu

> > > >>> Shan yao

> > > >>> Job's tears

> > > >>> Gou Qi Zi

> > > >>> Gan cao

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Sandy

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> --

> > > >> Ormonde, L.Ac.

> > > >>

> >

>

www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com<http://www.auburncommunityacupunctu

> > re.com/>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Ormonde, L.Ac.

> > > >

> >

>

www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com<http://www.auburncommunityacupunctu

> > re.com/>

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Ormonde, L.Ac.

> > > www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com

> > >

> >

>

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If its concentrated powder I would not think you would have to boil it. We have been boiling the whole herbs in order to extract the nutrients from them and then drink the tea.

The concentrated powder sounds like you should be able to just add it to juice or something.

I agree with waiting until you speak to him. It would be a terrible waste if you did it wrong.

I know he told me he is away for 2 weeks during the holiday. I am assuming that means until after New Years but maybe you can e-mail him with an urgent message and see if he replies, he may check his e-mail although I wouldn't hold my breath.

Its hard to wait when you want to get started on it but no one seems to know how to do this.

Good luck, let us know if you hear from him.

Subject: Re: Dr. Peng - Concentrated powder form instead of tea??To: mb12 valtrex Date: Thursday, December 25, 2008, 6:40 PM

I have no idea how to do the concentrated powder one. I still would wait until tomorrow to speak to him or maybe someone on this board has done the concentrated powder form. Good luck!Judy```````````` ````````` ````````` `>I didn't receive any instructions other than each back is for 2> days. The foil sealed bags are not something I would normally boil> in. Maybe because I'm receiving them in a concentrated powder that> the instructions are different than the raw herbs you all have been> receiving. Not sure. Is there another bag I'm supposed to boil them> in?>> Sandy>>> >> >> > >>>> >> > >>> I assume you are referring to my original TCM doctor, Dr.>> >> Wang in San>> >> > >>> Diego. As you probably know, you have to be a Peng or> married>> >> to a Peng in>> >> > >>> order to get their recipes and ingredients.>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>> Here is the list of herbs from Dr. Wang:>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>> Huang lian>> >> > >>> Rou gui>> >> > >>> Mai men dong>> >> > >>> Tian men dong>> >> > >>> Fu ling>>

>> > >>> Bai zhu>> >> > >>> Shan yao>> >> > >>> Job's tears>> >> > >>> Gou Qi Zi>> >> > >>> Gan cao>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>> Sandy>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >> -->> >> > >> Ormonde, L.Ac.>> >> > >>>> >>>> >> www.AuburnCommunity Acupuncture. com<http://www.auburnco mmunityacupunctu>> >> re.com/>>> >> > >>>> >> >

>>>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > > -->> >> > > Ormonde, L.Ac.>> >> > >>> >>>> >> www.AuburnCommunity Acupuncture. com<http://www.auburnco mmunityacupunctu>> >> re.com/>>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > -- >> >> > Ormonde, L.Ac.>> >> > www.AuburnCommunity Acupuncture. com>> >> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> > ------------ --------- --------- ------>> >>> >

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This is the message from on the powdered form.

He mentioned this to me the last time I called to order more as well. I was/am a little concerned, but I'm going to reserve judgment until we've tried the new ones. He said the new mixture will be more condensed and concentrated and that you just add hot water to the herbs and wait 20 minutes for them to dissolve, then drink. I questioned him on their effectiveness, and he said he felt they would be better b/c they would be more concentrated.

HTH

Judy

```````````````

If its concentrated powder I would not think you would have to boil it. We have been boiling the whole herbs in order to extract the nutrients from them and then drink the tea.

The concentrated powder sounds like you should be able to just add it to juice or something.

I agree with waiting until you speak to him. It would be a terrible waste if you did it wrong.

I know he told me he is away for 2 weeks during the holiday. I am assuming that means until after New Years but maybe you can e-mail him with an urgent message and see if he replies, he may check his e-mail although I wouldn't hold my breath.

Its hard to wait when you want to get started on it but no one seems to know how to do this.

Good luck, let us know if you hear from him.

Subject: Re: Dr. Peng - Concentrated powder form instead of tea??To: mb12 valtrex Date: Thursday, December 25, 2008, 6:40 PM

I have no idea how to do the concentrated powder one. I still would wait until tomorrow to speak to him or maybe someone on this board has done the concentrated powder form. Good luck!Judy```````````` ````````` ````````` `>I didn't receive any instructions other than each back is for 2> days. The foil sealed bags are not something I would normally boil> in. Maybe because I'm receiving them in a concentrated powder that> the instructions are different than the raw herbs you all have been> receiving. Not sure. Is there another bag I'm supposed to boil them> in?>> Sandy>>> >> >> > >>>> >> > >>> I assume you are referring to my original TCM doctor, Dr.>> >> Wang in San>> >> > >>> Diego. As you probably know, you have to be a Peng or> married>> >> to a Peng in>> >> > >>> order to get their recipes and ingredients.>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>> Here is the list of herbs from Dr. Wang:>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>> Huang lian>> >> > >>> Rou gui>> >> > >>> Mai men dong>> >> > >>> Tian men dong>> >> > >>> Fu ling>> >> > >>> Bai zhu>> >> > >>> Shan yao>> >> > >>> Job's tears>> >> > >>> Gou Qi Zi>> >> > >>> Gan cao>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>> Sandy>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >> -->> >> > >> Ormonde, L.Ac.>> >> > >>>> >>>> >> www.AuburnCommunity Acupuncture. com<http://www.auburnco mmunityacupunctu>> >> re.com/>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > > -->> >> > > Ormonde, L.Ac.>> >> > >>> >>>> >> www.AuburnCommunity Acupuncture. com<http://www.auburnco mmunityacupunctu>> >> re.com/>>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > -- >> >> > Ormonde, L.Ac.>> >> > www.AuburnCommunity Acupuncture. com>> >> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> > ------------ --------- --------- ------>> >>> >

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Thank you for the responses. I guess I did it right then when I

poured the herb package into a 8 ounce glass of hot water and let it

sit there for 20 minutes. I gave my son about 2 ounces of the tea

and then put the rest in the fridge. I then took the 2 ounces and

put alittle more water in it to dilute it for drinking and then added

some agave nectar. My son hesitated on the first sip but then

finished it because he knew it was to help him. He is 6 years old.

This was last night. THis morning he seems slightly more alert but

we'll see as the day goes on. The real test will be for him to

control the adhd.

Thanks again,

Sandy

> >> >> > >>

> >> >> > >>> I assume you are referring to my original TCM

doctor, Dr.

> >> >> Wang in San

> >> >> > >>> Diego. As you probably know, you have to be a

Peng or

> > married

> >> >> to a Peng in

> >> >> > >>> order to get their recipes and ingredients.

> >> >> > >>>

> >> >> > >>> Here is the list of herbs from Dr. Wang:

> >> >> > >>>

> >> >> > >>> Huang lian

> >> >> > >>> Rou gui

> >> >> > >>> Mai men dong

> >> >> > >>> Tian men dong

> >> >> > >>> Fu ling

> >> >> > >>> Bai zhu

> >> >> > >>> Shan yao

> >> >> > >>> Job's tears

> >> >> > >>> Gou Qi Zi

> >> >> > >>> Gan cao

> >> >> > >>>

> >> >> > >>> Sandy

> >> >> > >>>

> >> >> > >>>

> >> >> > >>>

> >> >> > >>

> >> >> > >>

> >> >> > >>

> >> >> > >> --

> >> >> > >> Ormonde, L.Ac.

> >> >> > >>

> >> >>

> >> >

> > www.AuburnCommunity Acupuncture.

com<http://www.auburnco mmunityacupunctu

> >> >> re.com/>

> >> >> > >>

> >> >> > >>

> >> >> > >

> >> >> > >

> >> >> > > --

> >> >> > > Ormonde, L.Ac.

> >> >> > >

> >> >>

> >> >

> > www.AuburnCommunity Acupuncture.

com<http://www.auburnco mmunityacupunctu

> >> >> re.com/>

> >> >> > >

> >> >> > >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> > --

> >> >> > Ormonde, L.Ac.

> >> >> > www.AuburnCommunity Acupuncture. com

> >> >> >

> >> >>

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

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The powder should be mixed with warm/hot water, you want it warm enough to dissolve the granules. As to how much that would probably be up to you or your acupuncturist suggests. For my patients I have them dissolve the powder in a cup of hot water and drink it at what ever temperature is best for them. Some like to sip it like a tea, some like to let it cool down and chug it, some like to let it cool all the way and add it to a big water bottle and drink it like iced tea. As long as they get it down, I am happy :)

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