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Angie,

Thanks for the info. I visited my Dad at the nursing home yesterday, Sonoma

Healthcare Center, in Sonoma. It's really good as nursing homes go, very

clean, the staff kind and professional but overworked. My main concern is

that Kaiser (his health insurance and the hospital he was transferred from)

when they did the transfer orders for the transfer Friday from Kaiser

Hospital to Sonoma Healthcare Center, they did not order an IV for fluids.

It's hot here, and my Dad is at very high risk for getting dehydrated.

Because of the severe worsening of the Alzheimer's and Parkinson's, you have

to stand there with the glass of water and put the straw in his mouth and

tell him to suck on the straw. This is very labor intensive and sometimes

even with me doing it, he's too out of it to suck on the straw. He just

obviously needs IV fluids.

The head nurse at the nursing home is really good but the doctor at Kaiser

has to amend his orders to order an IV with fluids. I made a bunch of phone

calls this morning to his social worker at Kaiser and the Kaiser skilled

nursing facility coordinator. I'm so happy he's in a decent nursing home,

I'm just concerned now with getting him back on IV fluids as he was in the

hospital. Kaiser also lied on the transfer orders and said he's partially

weightbearing. The nursing home immediately figured out that he's not

weight bearing at all and will need lots and lots of physical therapy to get

even partially weightbearing. We hope once he's no longer skilled nursing

under Medicare and Kaiser, that they will accept him for long-term care.

Janet in SF

ReA since 1973; diagnosed 1997; HLA-B27+

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Janet--This seems to be SOP with Calif m.d.'s (not just Kaiser) and nursing

homes. Similar situation happened with my father in the early '90's. He'd

had a stroke and my stepmother had already notified me Dad wasn't going to

make it. (Another thing about Calif--never could figure out why he'd been

moved to the nursing home after only 3 days in the hospital.) I arrived on

a Saturday and noticed he was already becoming dehydrated (skin stood up

when I checked). He was also already almost completely unresponsive--could

not get liquid up a straw into his mouth. I sat there and alternated

spooning ice and plain water (the ice got too cold quickly) into his mouth

all the rest of Saturday and all day Sunday. Also tried fruit juice for a

little nourishment--he hadn't been able to eat, either. After awhile, he

was sometimes able to use the straw and take in more at a time. By Monday

a.m., he was sitting up in a wheelchair, eating breakfast, when the doctor

arrived. I'll never forget the shocked look on that man's face, or the

incredulty in his voice when he said, " Oh! You're . . . better. "

Dad lived another 5 years. After this long, the situation still upsets me

to think about. I've often wondered if this " put them in a nursing home

and don't hydrate by IV " is a ploy when someone doesn't have a " do not

treat " order, which Dad didn't have and didn't want. I know Dad would not

have lived through that weekend, as things were when I arrived.

Good luck! I'll be thinking of you! --bc

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  • 1 year later...

The nurse in my couples Bible study group works in hospice

care....she said she has seen women die from implants there.

Another of our members, Deb, recently posted about her involvement

with the Trauma Intervention Program....and I believe she said she

has seen several women die in the last few months from implants.

This is serious stuff and I can't believe the medical profession is

so blind to it! It's so sad, so tragic!

Patty

>

> Dearest :

>

> Thank you for this. I believe that many women who have had these

devices

> have ended up in nursing homes. It would be great if we could find

out just

> how many there are, I know of two here. The staff could find out,

but if

> they think that breast implants are safe, they would not want to

get

> involved.

>

> Take care...Love Lea

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`````

> Re: Re: Book distribution idea

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> > ,

> >

> > My daughter works at a nursing home too . . . A number

> > of the staff have implants, and some are quite ill . .

> > . She's tried talking to them, referring them to me.

> >

> > But their doctors tell them that breast implants are

> > safe!

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Rogene

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