Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Hey everyone! I thought I would let you know about a book I am reading called " The Maker's Diet " by Jordan Rubin. It is an excellent resource for those of us who are trying to regain our health. He tells of his recovery from Crohn's disease through diet. In the book he mentions implants in his chapter on how to get sick. Basically he is saying that if you want to get sick then get silicone implants. He says no foreign object is good for your body-which we all know!!!! He talks of a point in his life where something triggered his autoimmune response. We all can relate to this because our implantation triggered our bodies' response. I know I am rambling and I apologize if you have heard of it, but this book is really great and very enlightening. Again, our diet is so important in regaining our health. For me it is so difficult to find organic meats. Organic fruits and veggies cost an arm and a leg! I just know I have to do it to get better!!!!! Ginger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Depending on where you live, organic fruits and vegetables are becoming more and more available in the stores, I've noticed. Usually they have their own section, but sometimes they are mixed in with the other stuff. I've seen organic stuff carried at WalMart too now! I do most of my shopping at Wild Oats or Trader Joes. Trader Joe's actually sometimes has cheaper prices on organic stuff than the conventional, which is a nice surprise. We also have a new store coming called Whole Foods Market, which is supposed to have all organic, but I've heard is pricey. Does anyone know? I hope you all can find a place to buy good organic produce. There was a show on our local news TV program last week that stated, YES, in fact organically grown foods ARE better for us! You'd never hear that on big time shows like 20/20 or 60 Minutes! Too much $$$ at stake for them to knock conventional mass marketed food. But I think the tide is turning. Once these corporations see that people are willing to put out a little extra to buy the organic stuff, I would think they would be clammoring for their piece of the pie. It's a huge industry that is growing very fast. Patty > Hey everyone! > I thought I would let you know about a book I am reading called " The > Maker's Diet " by Jordan Rubin. It is an excellent resource for those > of us who are trying to regain our health. He tells of his recovery > from Crohn's disease through diet. In the book he mentions implants > in his chapter on how to get sick. Basically he is saying that if you > want to get sick then get silicone implants. He says no foreign > object is good for your body-which we all know!!!! He talks of a point > in his life where something triggered his autoimmune response. We all > can relate to this because our implantation triggered our bodies' > response. I know I am rambling and I apologize if you have heard of > it, but this book is really great and very enlightening. Again, our > diet is so important in regaining our health. For me it is so > difficult to find organic meats. Organic fruits and veggies cost an > arm and a leg! I just know I have to do it to get better!!!!! > Ginger > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: > http://.shutterfly.com/action/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 I also wanted to mention that if you live in an area where you don't find much offered in the way of organic produce, it might make a difference if you go to the produce manager and start requesting certain products. They will usually go out of their way to order what you want. If it doesn't sell well, they won't order it again, but if it proves to be a mover, then they will keep it in stock. That will start the ball rolling toward having more organic stuff available in your community. That, coupled with consumer education about the value of organic foods, will make it happen. Hopefully with all the books out there shouting about the value of organic foods and of healthy eating, people are getting the picture and making a commitment to proper living. Demand will make organics more and more available. Patty > > Hey everyone! > > I thought I would let you know about a book I am reading > called " The > > Maker's Diet " by Jordan Rubin. It is an excellent resource for > those > > of us who are trying to regain our health. He tells of his > recovery > > from Crohn's disease through diet. In the book he mentions > implants > > in his chapter on how to get sick. Basically he is saying that if > you > > want to get sick then get silicone implants. He says no foreign > > object is good for your body-which we all know!!!! He talks of a > point > > in his life where something triggered his autoimmune response. We > all > > can relate to this because our implantation triggered our bodies' > > response. I know I am rambling and I apologize if you have heard > of > > it, but this book is really great and very enlightening. Again, > our > > diet is so important in regaining our health. For me it is so > > difficult to find organic meats. Organic fruits and veggies cost > an > > arm and a leg! I just know I have to do it to get better!!!!! > > Ginger > > > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given > by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or > licensed health care professional before commencing any medical > treatment. > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, > Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: > > http://.shutterfly.com/action/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 One more thing! I noticed our local Sam's Club carrying Newman Organic salads in huge containers. I had a group of 8 people over one night and we only used half the container! It is a great value. Another brand of organic lettuce that I buy and is usually available at WalMart and our grocery stores is called Earthbound Farms. They have grown into a multi-million dollar operation with organic greens. Here is a store locator: http://www.ebfarm.com/Products/StoreLocator.aspx If any of you want more suggestions for organically produced stuff to request from your grocer, let me know. I buy almost everything organic, so I know lots of labels. Patty > > > Hey everyone! > > > I thought I would let you know about a book I am reading > > called " The > > > Maker's Diet " by Jordan Rubin. It is an excellent resource for > > those > > > of us who are trying to regain our health. He tells of his > > recovery > > > from Crohn's disease through diet. In the book he mentions > > implants > > > in his chapter on how to get sick. Basically he is saying that > if > > you > > > want to get sick then get silicone implants. He says no foreign > > > object is good for your body-which we all know!!!! He talks of a > > point > > > in his life where something triggered his autoimmune response. > We > > all > > > can relate to this because our implantation triggered our > bodies' > > > response. I know I am rambling and I apologize if you have > heard > > of > > > it, but this book is really great and very enlightening. Again, > > our > > > diet is so important in regaining our health. For me it is so > > > difficult to find organic meats. Organic fruits and veggies > cost > > an > > > arm and a leg! I just know I have to do it to get better!!!!! > > > Ginger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice > given > > by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or > > licensed health care professional before commencing any medical > > treatment. > > > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > > mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > > decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > > better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, > > Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > > > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: > > > http://.shutterfly.com/action/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Thanks for all of your suggestions! I live in Bentonville, AR (home of Wal-mart headquarters) and talked to one of the produce buyers and he said at certain stores they may carry up to 80 organic items and to just be looking for them. I am sure that demographics will play a part to which stores receive the most organic items. I am so excited because the natural grocery stores around here are very expensive. A friend of mine raises her own cattle (remember I live in Arkansas...LOL) and we usually buy a quarter or a side of beef from her, but when we run out that causes problems. I read in Trudeau's book that he recommends kosher organic beef as well. I am not Jewish and their doesn't seem to be a lot of kosher markets around here. Buying organic is better than what I had been buying in the past, though!!! Incidentally, since all of these health issues, I am trying not to eat as much neat and trying to beef up on my fruits and veggies!!!! > > Hey everyone! > > I thought I would let you know about a book I am reading > called " The > > Maker's Diet " by Jordan Rubin. It is an excellent resource for > those > > of us who are trying to regain our health. He tells of his > recovery > > from Crohn's disease through diet. In the book he mentions > implants > > in his chapter on how to get sick. Basically he is saying that if > you > > want to get sick then get silicone implants. He says no foreign > > object is good for your body-which we all know!!!! He talks of a > point > > in his life where something triggered his autoimmune response. We > all > > can relate to this because our implantation triggered our bodies' > > response. I know I am rambling and I apologize if you have heard > of > > it, but this book is really great and very enlightening. Again, > our > > diet is so important in regaining our health. For me it is so > > difficult to find organic meats. Organic fruits and veggies cost > an > > arm and a leg! I just know I have to do it to get better!!!!! > > Ginger > > > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given > by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or > licensed health care professional before commencing any medical > treatment. > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, > Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: > > http://.shutterfly.com/action/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 I'm concerned that, with the growing demand for organic foods, the standards are being lowered. . . I saw one article where they were trying to classify foods with as little as 80% organic as organic. . . I don't know if it was made into law or not. Also, a lot of trace things are added to foods that never show up on the labels - I'm not sure what the criteria is for that. . . For instance Milk - This country adds stuff to the milk that prolongs its shelf life that you won't see on the label. It's all about money! Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Dear Rogene, I agree with you! My goal is to have a garden this year!!!! This will hopefully eliminate much worry!!! Milk should not be homogenized and pasteurized to get the best results for our bodies. Too bad there is not a milkman anymore! I hope today went well for you. You're in my prayers! Ginger > > I'm concerned that, with the growing demand for > organic foods, the standards are being lowered. . . I > saw one article where they were trying to classify > foods with as little as 80% organic as organic. . . I > don't know if it was made into law or not. Also, a > lot of trace things are added to foods that never show > up on the labels - I'm not sure what the criteria is > for that. . . For instance Milk - This country adds > stuff to the milk that prolongs its shelf life that > you won't see on the label. > > It's all about money! > > Rogene > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Thanks Ginger . . . Today did go amazingly well . . . You'll find my report further down the list! Hugs, Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 To find places where you can purchase raw milk, visit the Real Milk Website: http://www.realmilk.com/ It was through this organization that I found a local contact to be able to buy raw milk products, and I've been soooo thankful! I've been drinking and using raw milk products for over 2 years now, and I find that I cannot ever go back to the homogenized, pasteurized stuff. I just can't bring myself to buy it. Here is a link to search by state: http://www.realmilk.com/where1.html Good luck! It is worth the effort! Patty --- In , " gingeyo72 " <thedford@...> wrote: > > Dear Rogene, > I agree with you! My goal is to have a garden this year!!!! This > will hopefully eliminate much worry!!! Milk should not be > homogenized and pasteurized to get the best results for our bodies. > Too bad there is not a milkman anymore! > I hope today went well for you. You're in my prayers! > Ginger > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Interesting story on raw milk issues (for those who care): Laws unable to cow raw-milk fans FDA says beverage is dangerous to drink Cary Aspinwall and Nicita The Arizona Republic Nov. 17, 2005 12:00 AM Fans of organic raw milk are going to extremes to get their fix. Months after the state's only raw organic dairy was shut down, black- market buyer groups have emerged, drophouses are cropping up, and FedEx is making special deliveries to the Valley from California. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has long refused to budge from its stance that raw milk is dangerous, possibly carrying high levels of potentially deadly pathogens such as salmonella and E. coli. State dairy regulators, also concerned about the health risks, enforce strict rules on raw-milk producers and sellers and are cracking down on illegal practices. Still, consumer demand is brisk. Nationally and in Arizona, people are breaking the law to get their hands on raw organic milk, claiming it is superior in health and taste to the pasteurized, homogenized milk found on the supermarket shelf. They swear it tastes like melted vanilla ice cream. " It's like heroin right now, " said Tony Spaltro, a night manager at Gentle Strength Co-Op in Tempe, one of the few places Arizona consumers can purchase raw milk. State raises barriers It's legal to sell raw milk or raw organic milk in Arizona with a state permit, according to Dart Easterday, an administrator who oversees dairy licensing for the Arizona Department of Agriculture. The milk must be certified Grade A raw milk, and it is required to meet the same health standards as pasteurized milk. But to be sold in Arizona legally, raw milk must be produced and bottled in the state. The vast majority of Arizona's dairy farmers are members of the United Dairymen of Arizona, which oversees its members' milk sales and does not allow the sale of raw milk to consumers. Arizona currently only has one legal raw-milk producer, Meadowayne, which is in Colorado City on Arizona's northwestern line with Utah. It is not a member of the Dairymen. Meadowayne raw milk, which is not organic, is sold at Tempe's Gentle Strength Co-Op for $9.49 a gallon. There is no organic raw milk now legally available in Arizona for sale for human consumption. With both raw and raw organic milk, there is nothing done to the milk between the time it leaves the cow and the time it is sealed into a bottle. However, with raw organic milk, the cows are not given hormones and they get a special organic feed, which supporters say makes for healthier milk. Hoping for health cure Diehards passionate about organic raw milk's health benefits are willing to break the law and pay up to $15 a gallon for it. Some ship it in, others fill their cars with coolers and head to California to stock up at Organic Pastures, the only retail-approved raw organic dairy in the United States. Injy Tawa, 43, of sdale, is a black-market buyer. She orders Organic Pastures milk through an underground group of devotees in hopes that a raw diet will help rid her body of breast cancer. After being diagnosed with a malignant tumor, Tawa skipped the traditional route of chemotherapy and radiation in favor of an all- raw diet. And she said she feels great. " They wanted to pump me full of poison and cut my breast off, " Tawa said. " I've got cancer, but I'm not going to die for it. There are people out there who have cured their own cancer this way. " Mark McAfee owns Organic Pastures. It's a $4 million company, he said, complete with its own landing strip for parched milk hunters on the move. " It's a reality that people have had their taste of raw milk and they want it, " McAfee said. Organic Pastures began making illegal weekly deliveries to black- market buyers clubs in Arizona after the United Dairymen of Arizona shut down Crème de la Moo, the state's only raw organic dairy, in March for selling raw milk to consumers. " The dairy industry doesn't really have us on their radar screen right now, " McAfee said. Risky choice to sip Spaltro, Gentle Strength's night manager, tried raw milk after his customers recommended it. He researched its heralded health benefits and was sold. " A lot of the good enzymes are destroyed in pasteurization, " he said. " And I like the way it tastes. It tastes better. " Raw-milk fans credit the beverage as the cure for everything from allergies and asthma to eczema and cancer. However, Mesa physician Knighton doesn't think raw milk is a good idea. " If you don't go through pasteurization, it really puts you at risk for disease, " Knighton said. " If somebody wanted to go organic, that's great, but you can't put yourself at risk. People are trying to make (raw milk) this year's snake oil. " Not 'worth the risk' Murfield, chief executive of the United Dairymen of Arizona, said individuals have the right to choose to drink raw milk, but his organization has the right not to sell it. " I just don't see that it's worth the risk to sell raw milk, " Murfield said. Dairy products can be guaranteed to be safe only if they are pasteurized, he said. According to the FDA, 300 people got sick from eating or drinking raw-milk products in the United States in 2001, and 200 became ill in 2002. Crème de la Moo, owned by Judi Dawn von Schleifer, bottled raw organic milk in Queen Creek and distributed it to stores like Sprouts for about three weeks before being shut down. Farmer Phil , a then-member of the United Dairymen of Arizona, provided the milk to Crème de la Moo. , 42, said he thinks the old-school mentality among Dairymen board members has spread unwarranted fear of health risks. He said he thinks old-timers may have been jealous that he could sell his milk for $10 a gallon. " A lot of them really didn't like the fact that I did it, because they thought organic milk made their milk look bad, " said. Dealers denied The challenges of getting raw milk to consumers legally have soured Sprouts on carrying it at all. " We've given up on raw milk, " said Steve Fernandes, director of dairy, deli and bakery for the Valley's 10 Sprouts locations. " It seems like there's always some kind of problem. " If it isn't distributing issues or labeling problems, it's the cost. Suppliers are here one day and gone the next, making the industry too unstable in invest in, Fernandes said. Gentle Strength Co-op orders at least 20 gallons and 12 half-gallons of raw milk a week from Colorado City's Meadowayne. When it runs out, it's the most requested item in the store, said Noah - Greenough, a buyer for the store. Gentle Strength would like to sell raw organic milk, but the Department of Agriculture would allow it to sell Organic Pastures milk only if it dyed it blue and labeled it, " For pet consumption only. " Shoppers snatched up shelves of Crème de la Moo's organic raw milk products before the Dairymen shut them down, -Greenough said. " It's really unfortunate that the Dairymen were being (so stubborn), " he said. Murfield says the Dairymen never agreed to allow any of its members, including Phil , to sell raw milk as a consumer product. It happened for a few weeks because of confusion about the rules, he said. " We just don't want the liability, " he said. But he admitted that he was surprised by the strong reactions of raw- milk drinkers after the Dairymen shut down Crème de la Moo. There were lots of nasty letters and name calling, he said. " We didn't mean to make this a big turmoil, " he said. " If people want to do it, they should buy their own cow. " Udderly illegal But in some cases, that's not legal, either. Tucson farmer Shelby Brawley had profits in mind when she started a cow-share program. Brawley and a group of Tucson residents who wanted raw milk set it up, each chipping in $50 bucks to buy one $1,000 cow, and taking home as much raw milk as they wanted. She had read about cow-share programs in other states and thought it was legal in Arizona. But it isn't. " The state will tell you it is legal to sell raw in Arizona, provided you are a Grade A, state-certified dairy, " she said. " But then it is almost impossible, especially for a small farmer with a couple of cows or goats, to comply and jump through enough hoops to actually do it. " Easterday said the Department of Agriculture has shut down three cow- share programs throughout the state in the past 10 months. 'Changed their life' Despite the strict regulations, Arizona organic raw milk lovers could soon be relieved of resorting to sneaky milk meetings and stealthy distribution. Local organic raw milk is expected to be back in action soon. No longer dairy farming, said he plans to restart his organic operation once his no-compete member agreement with the Dairymen expires in early 2008. " There's a whole group of people out there who really believe raw milk has changed their life, " he said. Crème de la Moo has plans to get going again in the near future. But owner Judi Dawn von Schleifer did not want to publicize details given what happened with the Dairymen last time. 'Huge response' Despite the " huge response " her milk received during its brief shelf life, von Schleifer fears that the Dairymen will put a stop to her plans if too much attention is brought to them. " It's only going to stir up trouble magnifying the problem, making us a target and preventing us from getting an organic raw-dairy operation up and going again, " she said in an e-mail. www.azcentral.com/business/articles/1117rawmilk17.html > > > > Dear Rogene, > > I agree with you! My goal is to have a garden this year!!!! This > > will hopefully eliminate much worry!!! Milk should not be > > homogenized and pasteurized to get the best results for our > bodies. > > Too bad there is not a milkman anymore! > > I hope today went well for you. You're in my prayers! > > Ginger > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Can you believe they make such a fuss over raw milk while ignoring breast implant problems? Unbelieveable! Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Strange, isnt' it?????? Talk about skewed thinking! It is unbelievable! Patty > > Can you believe they make such a fuss over raw milk > while ignoring breast implant problems? Unbelieveable! > > Rogene > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Unfortunately as organic has gotten more popular, there has been a big push to water down the standards. The big companies want to compete with smaller organic farmers and meat producers but they don't want to have to put the effort and money in it. We really need to be aware of when this is happening to try and stop it. Of course, as usual the government is a giant sell out. The USDA is every bit as worthless and corrupt as the FDA. It makes me sick. Too many people have no idea what big business is up to. I have read in the newspaper of all places several articles about the USDA trying to water down organic standards, trying to let cattle in this country that american ranchers don't even want here as they believe it might not be safe, and pushing geneticially modified crops on the rest of the world. Bush has tried to use his influence to force european markets to open up and buy our GMO products. It really upsets me to think of how little good food will be left to find in the future with all the gmo, irradiated food, and more and more additives and artifically made products on the market. Even if you want organically grown and gmo free soybeans, corn and wheat, it will cease to exist because of cross pollination. Most people don't know that almost all soybeans are genetically modified thanks to Monsanto's Round-up (pesticide) ready soybeans. And soybean oil is used in so many products nowadays. This is certainly a subject we could all lend our voice to! Hugs, Kathy > > > Hey everyone! > > > I thought I would let you know about a book I am reading > > called " The > > > Maker's Diet " by Jordan Rubin. It is an excellent resource for > > those > > > of us who are trying to regain our health. He tells of his > > recovery > > > from Crohn's disease through diet. In the book he mentions > > implants > > > in his chapter on how to get sick. Basically he is saying that > if > > you > > > want to get sick then get silicone implants. He says no foreign > > > object is good for your body-which we all know!!!! He talks of a > > point > > > in his life where something triggered his autoimmune response. > We > > all > > > can relate to this because our implantation triggered our > bodies' > > > response. I know I am rambling and I apologize if you have > heard > > of > > > it, but this book is really great and very enlightening. Again, > > our > > > diet is so important in regaining our health. For me it is so > > > difficult to find organic meats. Organic fruits and veggies > cost > > an > > > arm and a leg! I just know I have to do it to get better!!!!! > > > Ginger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice > given > > by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or > > licensed health care professional before commencing any medical > > treatment. > > > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > > mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > > decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > > better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, > > Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > > > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: > > > http://.shutterfly.com/action/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 I totally agree with you 100% Kathy! I makes me sick and also afraid for the future children what they will be dealing with if our food supply becomes utterly tainted and perverse from what God intended it to be. Sickness will be even more rampant than it is now. Health care is going to be a disaster, no matter what those in power want us to believe. Man does NOT have control over his environment as badly as he wants to take it! Our bodies will never bow to man's inclination to mess with it. Patty > > > > Hey everyone! > > > > I thought I would let you know about a book I am reading > > > called " The > > > > Maker's Diet " by Jordan Rubin. It is an excellent resource > for > > > those > > > > of us who are trying to regain our health. He tells of his > > > recovery > > > > from Crohn's disease through diet. In the book he mentions > > > implants > > > > in his chapter on how to get sick. Basically he is saying > that > > if > > > you > > > > want to get sick then get silicone implants. He says no > foreign > > > > object is good for your body-which we all know!!!! He talks of > a > > > point > > > > in his life where something triggered his autoimmune > response. > > We > > > all > > > > can relate to this because our implantation triggered our > > bodies' > > > > response. I know I am rambling and I apologize if you have > > heard > > > of > > > > it, but this book is really great and very enlightening. > Again, > > > our > > > > diet is so important in regaining our health. For me it is so > > > > difficult to find organic meats. Organic fruits and veggies > > cost > > > an > > > > arm and a leg! I just know I have to do it to get better!!!!! > > > > Ginger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice > > given > > > by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or > > > licensed health care professional before commencing any medical > > > treatment. > > > > > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > > > mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > > > decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > > > better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner > (1954, > > > Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > > > > > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this > link: > > > > http://.shutterfly.com/action/ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 - I get raw milk from an organic farmer. I have to drive 50 minutes each way but it is worth it. I am hooked like you. I love the taste, I love the cream. I don't want to drink milk if I can't have my ram milk! Kathy -- In , " glory2glory1401 " <glory2glory1401@...> wrote: > > Interesting story on raw milk issues (for those who care): > > Laws unable to cow raw-milk fans > FDA says beverage is dangerous to drink > > Cary Aspinwall and Nicita > The Arizona Republic > Nov. 17, 2005 12:00 AM > > Fans of organic raw milk are going to extremes to get their fix. > > Months after the state's only raw organic dairy was shut down, black- > market buyer groups have emerged, drophouses are cropping up, and > FedEx is making special deliveries to the Valley from California. > > The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has long refused to budge from > its stance that raw milk is dangerous, possibly carrying high levels > of potentially deadly pathogens such as salmonella and E. coli. > State dairy regulators, also concerned about the health risks, > enforce strict rules on raw-milk producers and sellers and are > cracking down on illegal practices. > > Still, consumer demand is brisk. Nationally and in Arizona, people > are breaking the law to get their hands on raw organic milk, > claiming it is superior in health and taste to the pasteurized, > homogenized milk found on the supermarket shelf. They swear it > tastes like melted vanilla ice cream. > > " It's like heroin right now, " said Tony Spaltro, a night manager at > Gentle Strength Co-Op in Tempe, one of the few places Arizona > consumers can purchase raw milk. > > > State raises barriers > It's legal to sell raw milk or raw organic milk in Arizona with a > state permit, according to Dart Easterday, an administrator who > oversees dairy licensing for the Arizona Department of Agriculture. > > The milk must be certified Grade A raw milk, and it is required to > meet the same health standards as pasteurized milk. But to be sold > in Arizona legally, raw milk must be produced and bottled in the > state. The vast majority of Arizona's dairy farmers are members of > the United Dairymen of Arizona, which oversees its members' milk > sales and does not allow the sale of raw milk to consumers. > > Arizona currently only has one legal raw-milk producer, Meadowayne, > which is in Colorado City on Arizona's northwestern line with Utah. > It is not a member of the Dairymen. > > Meadowayne raw milk, which is not organic, is sold at Tempe's Gentle > Strength Co-Op for $9.49 a gallon. There is no organic raw milk now > legally available in Arizona for sale for human consumption. > > With both raw and raw organic milk, there is nothing done to the > milk between the time it leaves the cow and the time it is sealed > into a bottle. However, with raw organic milk, the cows are not > given hormones and they get a special organic feed, which supporters > say makes for healthier milk. > > > Hoping for health cure > Diehards passionate about organic raw milk's health benefits are > willing to break the law and pay up to $15 a gallon for it. Some > ship it in, others fill their cars with coolers and head to > California to stock up at Organic Pastures, the only retail- approved > raw organic dairy in the United States. > > Injy Tawa, 43, of sdale, is a black-market buyer. She orders > Organic Pastures milk through an underground group of devotees in > hopes that a raw diet will help rid her body of breast cancer. > > After being diagnosed with a malignant tumor, Tawa skipped the > traditional route of chemotherapy and radiation in favor of an all- > raw diet. And she said she feels great. > > " They wanted to pump me full of poison and cut my breast off, " Tawa > said. " I've got cancer, but I'm not going to die for it. There are > people out there who have cured their own cancer this way. " > > Mark McAfee owns Organic Pastures. It's a $4 million company, he > said, complete with its own landing strip for parched milk hunters > on the move. > > " It's a reality that people have had their taste of raw milk and > they want it, " McAfee said. > > Organic Pastures began making illegal weekly deliveries to black- > market buyers clubs in Arizona after the United Dairymen of Arizona > shut down Crème de la Moo, the state's only raw organic dairy, in > March for selling raw milk to consumers. " The dairy industry doesn't > really have us on their radar screen right now, " McAfee said. > > > Risky choice to sip > Spaltro, Gentle Strength's night manager, tried raw milk after his > customers recommended it. He researched its heralded health benefits > and was sold. > > " A lot of the good enzymes are destroyed in pasteurization, " he > said. " And I like the way it tastes. It tastes better. " > > Raw-milk fans credit the beverage as the cure for everything from > allergies and asthma to eczema and cancer. However, Mesa physician > Knighton doesn't think raw milk is a good idea. > > " If you don't go through pasteurization, it really puts you at risk > for disease, " Knighton said. " If somebody wanted to go organic, > that's great, but you can't put yourself at risk. People are trying > to make (raw milk) this year's snake oil. " > > > Not 'worth the risk' > Murfield, chief executive of the United Dairymen of Arizona, > said individuals have the right to choose to drink raw milk, but his > organization has the right not to sell it. > > " I just don't see that it's worth the risk to sell raw milk, " > Murfield said. > > Dairy products can be guaranteed to be safe only if they are > pasteurized, he said. > > According to the FDA, 300 people got sick from eating or drinking > raw-milk products in the United States in 2001, and 200 became ill > in 2002. > > Crème de la Moo, owned by Judi Dawn von Schleifer, bottled raw > organic milk in Queen Creek and distributed it to stores like > Sprouts for about three weeks before being shut down. Farmer Phil > , a then-member of the United Dairymen of Arizona, provided > the milk to Crème de la Moo. > > , 42, said he thinks the old-school mentality among Dairymen > board members has spread unwarranted fear of health risks. He said > he thinks old-timers may have been jealous that he could sell his > milk for $10 a gallon. > > " A lot of them really didn't like the fact that I did it, because > they thought organic milk made their milk look bad, " said. > > > Dealers denied > The challenges of getting raw milk to consumers legally have soured > Sprouts on carrying it at all. > > " We've given up on raw milk, " said Steve Fernandes, director of > dairy, deli and bakery for the Valley's 10 Sprouts locations. " It > seems like there's always some kind of problem. " > > If it isn't distributing issues or labeling problems, it's the cost. > Suppliers are here one day and gone the next, making the industry > too unstable in invest in, Fernandes said. > > Gentle Strength Co-op orders at least 20 gallons and 12 half- gallons > of raw milk a week from Colorado City's Meadowayne. When it runs > out, it's the most requested item in the store, said Noah - > Greenough, a buyer for the store. > > Gentle Strength would like to sell raw organic milk, but the > Department of Agriculture would allow it to sell Organic Pastures > milk only if it dyed it blue and labeled it, " For pet consumption > only. " > > Shoppers snatched up shelves of Crème de la Moo's organic raw milk > products before the Dairymen shut them down, -Greenough said. > > " It's really unfortunate that the Dairymen were being (so > stubborn), " he said. > > Murfield says the Dairymen never agreed to allow any of its members, > including Phil , to sell raw milk as a consumer product. It > happened for a few weeks because of confusion about the rules, he > said. > > " We just don't want the liability, " he said. > > But he admitted that he was surprised by the strong reactions of raw- > milk drinkers after the Dairymen shut down Crème de la Moo. There > were lots of nasty letters and name calling, he said. > > " We didn't mean to make this a big turmoil, " he said. " If people > want to do it, they should buy their own cow. " > > > Udderly illegal > But in some cases, that's not legal, either. > > Tucson farmer Shelby Brawley had profits in mind when she started a > cow-share program. > > Brawley and a group of Tucson residents who wanted raw milk set it > up, each chipping in $50 bucks to buy one $1,000 cow, and taking > home as much raw milk as they wanted. > > She had read about cow-share programs in other states and thought it > was legal in Arizona. > > But it isn't. > > " The state will tell you it is legal to sell raw in Arizona, > provided you are a Grade A, state-certified dairy, " she said. > > " But then it is almost impossible, especially for a small farmer > with a couple of cows or goats, to comply and jump through enough > hoops to actually do it. " > > Easterday said the Department of Agriculture has shut down three cow- > share programs throughout the state in the past 10 months. > > > 'Changed their life' > Despite the strict regulations, Arizona organic raw milk lovers > could soon be relieved of resorting to sneaky milk meetings and > stealthy distribution. Local organic raw milk is expected to be back > in action soon. > > No longer dairy farming, said he plans to restart his > organic operation once his no-compete member agreement with the > Dairymen expires in early 2008. > > " There's a whole group of people out there who really believe raw > milk has changed their life, " he said. > > Crème de la Moo has plans to get going again in the near future. > > But owner Judi Dawn von Schleifer did not want to publicize details > given what happened with the Dairymen last time. > > > 'Huge response' > Despite the " huge response " her milk received during its brief shelf > life, von Schleifer fears that the Dairymen will put a stop to her > plans if too much attention is brought to them. > > " It's only going to stir up trouble magnifying the problem, making > us a target and preventing us from getting an organic raw-dairy > operation up and going again, " she said in an e-mail. > > www.azcentral.com/business/articles/1117rawmilk17.html > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rogene, > > > I agree with you! My goal is to have a garden this year!!!! > This > > > will hopefully eliminate much worry!!! Milk should not be > > > homogenized and pasteurized to get the best results for our > > bodies. > > > Too bad there is not a milkman anymore! > > > I hope today went well for you. You're in my prayers! > > > Ginger > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 Lucky you!! A new Whole Foods Market, I'm so envious. I have shopped in a few but never noticed their pricing to be any higher than Wild Oats. I don't think everything in Whole Foods is organic. I remember it being like Wild Oats, some conventional things mixed in. Whole Foods stores are beautiful and have such a nice selection. I have written them for years, begging them to come to Tulsa. No such luck. Although our only Wild Oats is now expanding to about three times its current size. You wouldn't believe the commercial I saw today -- organic Prego!! Kenda > Depending on where you live, organic fruits and vegetables are > becoming more and more available in the stores, I've noticed. > Usually they have their own section, but sometimes they are mixed in > with the other stuff. > > I've seen organic stuff carried at WalMart too now! > > I do most of my shopping at Wild Oats or Trader Joes. Trader Joe's > actually sometimes has cheaper prices on organic stuff than the > conventional, which is a nice surprise. We also have a new store > coming called Whole Foods Market, which is supposed to have all > organic, but I've heard is pricey. Does anyone know? > > I hope you all can find a place to buy good organic produce. There > was a show on our local news TV program last week that stated, YES, > in fact organically grown foods ARE better for us! You'd never hear > that on big time shows like 20/20 or 60 Minutes! Too much $$$ at > stake for them to knock conventional mass marketed food. But I > think the tide is turning. Once these corporations see that people > are willing to put out a little extra to buy the organic stuff, I > would think they would be clammoring for their piece of the pie. > It's a huge industry that is growing very fast. > Patty > > >> Hey everyone! >> I thought I would let you know about a book I am reading > called " The >> Maker's Diet " by Jordan Rubin. It is an excellent resource for > those >> of us who are trying to regain our health. He tells of his > recovery >> from Crohn's disease through diet. In the book he mentions > implants >> in his chapter on how to get sick. Basically he is saying that if > you >> want to get sick then get silicone implants. He says no foreign >> object is good for your body-which we all know!!!! He talks of a > point >> in his life where something triggered his autoimmune response. We > all >> can relate to this because our implantation triggered our bodies' >> response. I know I am rambling and I apologize if you have heard > of >> it, but this book is really great and very enlightening. Again, > our >> diet is so important in regaining our health. For me it is so >> difficult to find organic meats. Organic fruits and veggies cost > an >> arm and a leg! I just know I have to do it to get better!!!!! >> Ginger >> >> >> >> >> >> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given > by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or > licensed health care professional before commencing any medical > treatment. >> >> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, > Chemistry; 1963, Peace) >> >> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: >> http://.shutterfly.com/action/ >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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