Re: HELP!! Insurance didn't approve explants!

[Guest guest]

Sherry,

We have doctors in the LA area. I don't know if they take

insurance; that is something that has to be worked out. You may

have to work through every angle you can possibly think of to get

these things removed, or come up with an innovative way to fund

explant. It is a very challenging and frightening position to be

in, but the answer is there, somewhere. I know it.

HEre is the list of doctors we have for California. Have you called

all of them?

CALIFORNIA

Dr. Gilbert Lee P/S

11515 El Camino Real, Suite 150

San Diego, CA 92130 (858)720-1440

FAX 858.509.7738

http://www.changesplasticsurgery.com/meet/lee/

DR. MARC H HEDRICK

UCLA School of Medicine

200 Medical Plaza

Los Angeles, California 90065

DR. JAMES P WATSON

UCLA School of Medicine

200 Medical Plaza

Los Angeles, California 90065

(310) 825-5510 – appointments

(310) 206-7520 – office

www.uclaplasticsurgery.com

DR. KAMING LI

1113 Alta Avenue

Suite 200

Upland, CA 91786

Tel: (909) 949-2525

Fax: (909) 949-2268

E-Mail: info@...

http://www.arrowheadaesthetics.com/aapsa-li.htm

Upland, California is outside of Los Angeles; he will act quickly if

he knows you need them out; no insurance; no credit cards, cash

only; does en bloc explant

Dr. Kennedy P/S

1050 B Ave. Suite A,

Coronado CA 92118 (619)437-4449

For more info, call Lynda, 1-619-755-8127 Be certain to get in

writing from him he will

remove your implants " en bloc " and do a total capsulectomy, if at

all possible. Please report any experiences, good or bad, with him.

DR. BERNARD S. ALPERT, plastic surgeon,

45 Castro St. Suite 150,

San Francisco, CA 94114

1-415-626-6644

http://www.medbd.ca.gov/Alpert.htm

Dr. Jae Chun P/S

1101 Bayside Dr., Suite 100

Corona Del Mar, CA 92625 1-949-644-5000

For more information on the Plastic Surgeons in the lower California

area, contact Lynda in Solana

Beach, CA at 1-619-755-8127. If you decide to fly in from another

area for

explant or related surgeries, she has a beautiful seaside resort

where you can

stay. She will also pick you up from the airport, take you to

facility for

your explant, your follow-up visits to the P/S and see that you

are cared

for afterwards to the best of her ability. She has been through it

herself.

The charges are modest in comparison to the wonderful services she

offers.As a result, she also knows all the details on these four

available

Plastic Surgeons!

>

> Does anyone know of a dr. in the los angeles, orange county area

in

> california that takes a PPO insurance?

>

> My HMO insurance denied my explantation. I'm in tears. My dr.

says

> that theres no proof all of my problems are caused by the implants.

>

> Should I see a Hematologist? An immuneologist?, Rheumatologist?

> Doesn't a hemotolgist check for toxins?, which the breast implants

> are made up of.

>

> Should i see an infectious disease dr. I don't know where to

begin.

>

> I've been to the dr. so many times for help and

tests. 'EVERYTHING

> APPEARS NORMAL'.

>

> My skin burns and itches like i've had chemicals poured on it.

> Rashes, shingles, brain fog, shooting pain in my left temple, down

> my legs and arms, numbness/tingling in extremities, high white

blood

> count with blood in urine (kidneys were hurting), went to urgent

> care feeling like i had been poisoned, always flu-like and very

> weak. No energy, lethargic, insomnia, memory problems, slurring

of

> speech, trouble pronouncing/forming words,

depression/anxiety/panic

> attachs, jolting palpitations alot of the time, shooting chest

pain

> on left side, nightsweats, visual changes, osteoarthritis,

> degeneration of spine...and other symptoms.

>

> SOMEBODY HELP ME, PLEASE!! Any referral on what type of dr. for

me

> to see? Did you, if and after denial of insurance coverage for

> explantation, see certain drs. to prove it was implants? I've

been

> on disability for 17 years since my implants and i'm getting

sicker

> and sicker.

>

> ARE THERE PRO BOBO SURGEONS? OR PPO INSURANCE COVERED SURGEONS

HERE

> IN CALIFORNIA?

>

> thanks, sherry

>

[Guest guest]

Sherry, I am so sorry that you are going through all this. I know how it is to feel helpless. I was there. I had no proof my implants were making me sick. Especially because my symptoms started 5 years after I got them. All my tests came out normal. I drove myself crazy trying to find proof, so people would believe me. I even convinced my family doctor that it was my implants. He wrote a letter of recommendation for explant and still my insurance is giving us a hard time. However, this same insurance gave us a hard time with our son needing surgery on his jaw. Insurance companies don't want to pay out money for everything, they must discern or they don't make a profit. So to protect their own pockets they reject any cosmetic or voluntary procedures. Which makes this hard for us...who's tests all turn out "normal". I was explanted three weeks ago today. I am already

feeling so much better. We borrowed the money to get explanted and one day I can go back to work to help my husband pay it back. You will drive yourself crazy and in debt trying to find proof. I am more at peace now that I am explanted. Do your body a favor and focus on healing, start detoxing now, drink plenty of water, and get your rest. You will feel much better and more able to fight this battle with the insurance company if you minimize your stress. You are in my prayers, loverofmysoul60 <loverofmysoul60@...> wrote: Does anyone know of a dr. in the los angeles, orange county area in california that takes a PPO insurance?My HMO insurance denied my explantation. I'm in tears. My dr. says that theres no proof

all of my problems are caused by the implants.Should I see a Hematologist? An immuneologist?, Rheumatologist? Doesn't a hemotolgist check for toxins?, which the breast implants are made up of. Should i see an infectious disease dr. I don't know where to begin.I've been to the dr. so many times for help and tests. 'EVERYTHING APPEARS NORMAL'.My skin burns and itches like i've had chemicals poured on it. Rashes, shingles, brain fog, shooting pain in my left temple, down my legs and arms, numbness/tingling in extremities, high white blood count with blood in urine (kidneys were hurting), went to urgent care feeling like i had been poisoned, always flu-like and very weak. No energy, lethargic, insomnia, memory problems, slurring of speech, trouble pronouncing/forming words, depression/anxiety/panic attachs, jolting palpitations alot of the time, shooting chest pain on left

side, nightsweats, visual changes, osteoarthritis, degeneration of spine...and other symptoms.SOMEBODY HELP ME, PLEASE!! Any referral on what type of dr. for me to see? Did you, if and after denial of insurance coverage for explantation, see certain drs. to prove it was implants? I've been on disability for 17 years since my implants and i'm getting sicker and sicker.ARE THERE PRO BOBO SURGEONS? OR PPO INSURANCE COVERED SURGEONS HERE IN CALIFORNIA?thanks, sherry

Relax. virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses!

[Guest guest]

,

Glad to hear you're seeing improvement. That's great! I think your

advice is very sound.

Sherry, some of your symptoms sound quite similar to my own, and to

many others, and unfortunately you won't get alot of cooperation

from the medical community in receiving a diagnosis. Most MD's will

not admit or simply do not believe that implants make us sick - yet

there are thousands of us with the same or similar symptoms. If you

spend alot of time and money trying to get a diagnosis, you will

probably keep coming up with the same exact results that you've been

getting, and you'll get more and more frustrated. When women

inquire about getting implants, they'll receive such cooperation

from their plastic surgeons, however once you've got them in your

body, that same plastic surgeon and his/her golf buddies will

abandon you. If you truly believe the implants are the root of the

problem, then do whatever it takes to get them out.

Sometimes Dr. Kolb is successful in getting insurance companies to

pay for the explant - although she's in Atlanta and I don't know if

you're willing to travel.

Sis

> Does anyone know of a dr. in the los angeles, orange county area

in

> california that takes a PPO insurance?

>

> My HMO insurance denied my explantation. I'm in tears. My dr.

says

> that theres no proof all of my problems are caused by the implants.

>

> Should I see a Hematologist? An immuneologist?, Rheumatologist?

> Doesn't a hemotolgist check for toxins?, which the breast implants

> are made up of.

>

> Should i see an infectious disease dr. I don't know where to

begin.

>

> I've been to the dr. so many times for help and

tests. 'EVERYTHING

> APPEARS NORMAL'.

>

> My skin burns and itches like i've had chemicals poured on it.

> Rashes, shingles, brain fog, shooting pain in my left temple, down

> my legs and arms, numbness/tingling in extremities, high white

blood

> count with blood in urine (kidneys were hurting), went to urgent

> care feeling like i had been poisoned, always flu-like and very

> weak. No energy, lethargic, insomnia, memory problems, slurring

of

> speech, trouble pronouncing/forming words,

depression/anxiety/panic

> attachs, jolting palpitations alot of the time, shooting chest

pain

> on left side, nightsweats, visual changes, osteoarthritis,

> degeneration of spine...and other symptoms.

>

> SOMEBODY HELP ME, PLEASE!! Any referral on what type of dr. for

me

> to see? Did you, if and after denial of insurance coverage for

> explantation, see certain drs. to prove it was implants? I've

been

> on disability for 17 years since my implants and i'm getting

sicker

> and sicker.

>

> ARE THERE PRO BOBO SURGEONS? OR PPO INSURANCE COVERED SURGEONS

HERE

> IN CALIFORNIA?

>

> thanks, sherry

>

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sherry,

So sorry to hear you are going through this. Sis has good advice

with Dr. Kolb. She is or used to be on a United Health Care board

of physicians and is quite familiar with how the system works. She

promises to fight like heck, although there is no guarantee.

Unfortunately, there would be travel costs and she is out of your

network, so insurance wouldn't kick in as much as if you were in

state.

had good advice also in not to stress. My symptoms

intensified a lot before surgery because I was so stressed. Most

of us have had to pay the money out of pocket. I just had to trust

that God would help me through these times. I haven't gotten all of

mine paid off (mine was in December), but I know in due time I

will. The most important thing for me was to get them out quickly

so I wouldn't get even more sick. Please know we are praying for

you and completely understand what you are going through. I am so

sorry that you are having to go through this. I would never wish

this implant crap on anyone!

Ginger

> > Does anyone know of a dr. in the los angeles, orange county

area

> in

> > california that takes a PPO insurance?

> >

> > My HMO insurance denied my explantation. I'm in tears. My dr.

> says

> > that theres no proof all of my problems are caused by the

implants.

> >

> > Should I see a Hematologist? An immuneologist?, Rheumatologist?

> > Doesn't a hemotolgist check for toxins?, which the breast

implants

> > are made up of.

> >

> > Should i see an infectious disease dr. I don't know where to

> begin.

> >

> > I've been to the dr. so many times for help and

> tests. 'EVERYTHING

> > APPEARS NORMAL'.

> >

> > My skin burns and itches like i've had chemicals poured on it.

> > Rashes, shingles, brain fog, shooting pain in my left temple,

down

> > my legs and arms, numbness/tingling in extremities, high white

> blood

> > count with blood in urine (kidneys were hurting), went to urgent

> > care feeling like i had been poisoned, always flu-like and very

> > weak. No energy, lethargic, insomnia, memory problems, slurring

> of

> > speech, trouble pronouncing/forming words,

> depression/anxiety/panic

> > attachs, jolting palpitations alot of the time, shooting chest

> pain

> > on left side, nightsweats, visual changes, osteoarthritis,

> > degeneration of spine...and other symptoms.

> >

> > SOMEBODY HELP ME, PLEASE!! Any referral on what type of dr. for

> me

> > to see? Did you, if and after denial of insurance coverage for

> > explantation, see certain drs. to prove it was implants? I've

> been

> > on disability for 17 years since my implants and i'm getting

> sicker

> > and sicker.

> >

> > ARE THERE PRO BOBO SURGEONS? OR PPO INSURANCE COVERED SURGEONS

> HERE

> > IN CALIFORNIA?

> >

> > thanks, sherry

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given

> by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

> treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

> better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

> Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> > http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It struck me as strange . . . A friend's son had a

snowboard accident . . . badly broken legs, requiring

multiple surgeries (four this week) . . . Yet,

insurance will pay! . . . You took a risk - He took a

risk! . . .

Insurance pays for diabetic meds, heart surgery and

stoke treatment after years of bad diet. . . They made

a bad choice and insurance still pays! . . . Is there

something strange going on here?

The insurance company must be made to see that, if you

don't have your implants out, they will be paying

much, much more while you stay sick! It's in THEIR

best interest to help you get them removed.

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Tonight I saw a news report about the " bird flu " . 93 people have

died of it since 2003, and they're making a big deal about it, but

look how many thousands of women have been damaged by implants

and.......nothing!!!

Sis

>

> It struck me as strange . . . A friend's son had a

> snowboard accident . . . badly broken legs, requiring

> multiple surgeries (four this week) . . . Yet,

> insurance will pay! . . . You took a risk - He took a

> risk! . . .

>

> Insurance pays for diabetic meds, heart surgery and

> stoke treatment after years of bad diet. . . They made

> a bad choice and insurance still pays! . . . Is there

> something strange going on here?

>

> The insurance company must be made to see that, if you

> don't have your implants out, they will be paying

> much, much more while you stay sick! It's in THEIR

> best interest to help you get them removed.

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

I am glad to hear that you are feeling better already. Isn't it

wonderful? Having a second chance at life? I was wondering what

kind of surgery your son is having done on his jaw? Does he have

TMJ? My son has it pretty severely but I have heard not to have

surgery. Just wondering.

Hugs, Kathy

> Does anyone know of a dr. in the los angeles, orange county area

in

> california that takes a PPO insurance?

>

> My HMO insurance denied my explantation. I'm in tears. My dr.

says

> that theres no proof all of my problems are caused by the implants.

>

> Should I see a Hematologist? An immuneologist?, Rheumatologist?

> Doesn't a hemotolgist check for toxins?, which the breast implants

> are made up of.

>

> Should i see an infectious disease dr. I don't know where to

begin.

>

> I've been to the dr. so many times for help and

tests. 'EVERYTHING

> APPEARS NORMAL'.

>

> My skin burns and itches like i've had chemicals poured on it.

> Rashes, shingles, brain fog, shooting pain in my left temple, down

> my legs and arms, numbness/tingling in extremities, high white

blood

> count with blood in urine (kidneys were hurting), went to urgent

> care feeling like i had been poisoned, always flu-like and very

> weak. No energy, lethargic, insomnia, memory problems, slurring

of

> speech, trouble pronouncing/forming words,

depression/anxiety/panic

> attachs, jolting palpitations alot of the time, shooting chest

pain

> on left side, nightsweats, visual changes, osteoarthritis,

> degeneration of spine...and other symptoms.

>

> SOMEBODY HELP ME, PLEASE!! Any referral on what type of dr. for

me

> to see? Did you, if and after denial of insurance coverage for

> explantation, see certain drs. to prove it was implants? I've

been

> on disability for 17 years since my implants and i'm getting

sicker

> and sicker.

>

> ARE THERE PRO BOBO SURGEONS? OR PPO INSURANCE COVERED SURGEONS

HERE

> IN CALIFORNIA?

>

> thanks, sherry

>

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>

>

[Guest guest]

I had TMJ problems right after I got married, (but years before I got

implants), and I was scheduled to have surgery. God intervened just in

time, as I was discovered to be pregnant, and so they would not

perform the MRI on my jaw that they needed to do. I remember that the

doctor was quite upset that he couldn't perform the surgery on me, and

we did splints instead. (What a wasted effort that was.)

The good news was that over time, my TMJ problems resolved on their

own. And after I went through my implant nightmare and researched

other implanted devices, I discovered the TMJ implants were their own

nightmare as they disintegrated inside people's jaws. I felt like God

had protected me from that by letting me get pregnant when He did.

My feeling is that TMJ issues should be dealt with very cautiously and

surgery should only be undertaken as a very, very last, absolutely

last, resort, if at all. The best outcome would be that these issues

resolve on their own. Mine took about a year to go away, but they did

on their own. I consider myself lucky. I shudder to think what might

have happened if I jumped when the doctor said jump.

I do not chew gum or any other hard candies as a result of my previous

TMJ issues, but I have not had a single instance of trouble since it

healed on its own.

Patty

>

> I am glad to hear that you are feeling better already. Isn't it

> wonderful? Having a second chance at life? I was wondering what

> kind of surgery your son is having done on his jaw? Does he have

> TMJ? My son has it pretty severely but I have heard not to have

> surgery. Just wondering.

> Hugs, Kathy

[Guest guest]

Kathy, It is incredible how much better I am feeling. My heart rarely bounces in my chest and my eyes don't need night time lubricant anymore. I sometimes have to put in a drop of eye drops 1/2 way through the night, but a definate improvement. I still get real tired, but when I am awake, I think more clearly. My fibromyalgia and joint pain are still the same, but I am so thankful to God for any improvement. I am only three weeks post explant. Our had surgery on his jaw back in December for an extreme overbite. It was causing him pain and swallowing issues. He is 16. The insurance didn't want to pay for it because they said it wasn't medically neccessary. the Oral surgeon provided proof and they ended up paying up. mikat828 <mikat828@...> wrote: I am glad to hear that you are feeling better already. Isn't it wonderful? Having a second chance at life? I was wondering what kind of surgery your son is having done on his jaw? Does he have TMJ? My son has it pretty severely but I have heard not to have surgery. Just wondering.Hugs, Kathy> Does anyone know of a dr. in the los angeles, orange county area in > california that takes a PPO insurance?> > My HMO insurance denied my explantation. I'm in tears. My dr. says > that theres no proof all of my problems are caused by the implants.> > Should I see a Hematologist? An immuneologist?, Rheumatologist? > Doesn't a hemotolgist check for toxins?, which the breast implants > are made up of. > > Should i see an infectious disease dr. I don't know where to begin.> > I've

been to the dr. so many times for help and tests. 'EVERYTHING > APPEARS NORMAL'.> > My skin burns and itches like i've had chemicals poured on it. > Rashes, shingles, brain fog, shooting pain in my left temple, down > my legs and arms, numbness/tingling in extremities, high white blood > count with blood in urine (kidneys were hurting), went to urgent > care feeling like i had been poisoned, always flu-like and very > weak. No energy, lethargic, insomnia, memory problems, slurring of > speech, trouble pronouncing/forming words, depression/anxiety/panic > attachs, jolting palpitations alot of the time, shooting chest pain > on left side, nightsweats, visual changes, osteoarthritis, > degeneration of spine...and other symptoms.> > SOMEBODY HELP ME, PLEASE!! Any referral on what type of dr. for me > to see? Did you, if and after

denial of insurance coverage for > explantation, see certain drs. to prove it was implants? I've been > on disability for 17 years since my implants and i'm getting sicker > and sicker.> > ARE THERE PRO BOBO SURGEONS? OR PPO INSURANCE COVERED SURGEONS HERE > IN CALIFORNIA?> > thanks, sherry> > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)> > See our photos website! Enter

"implants" for access at this link:> http://.shutterfly.com/action/> >

[Guest guest]

-

Thats what I heard also. Tom's tmj is longstanding and a daily

battle. He takes ibuprofen everyday. Any ideas? He is going to a

chiropractor is working on that area, but he tried that once before

and it didn't work. Thoughts would always be appreciated.

Hugs, Kathy

-- In , " glory2glory1401 "

<glory2glory1401@...> wrote:

>

> I had TMJ problems right after I got married, (but years before I

got

> implants), and I was scheduled to have surgery. God intervened

just in

> time, as I was discovered to be pregnant, and so they would not

> perform the MRI on my jaw that they needed to do. I remember that

the

> doctor was quite upset that he couldn't perform the surgery on me,

and

> we did splints instead. (What a wasted effort that was.)

>

> The good news was that over time, my TMJ problems resolved on

their

> own. And after I went through my implant nightmare and researched

> other implanted devices, I discovered the TMJ implants were their

own

> nightmare as they disintegrated inside people's jaws. I felt like

God

> had protected me from that by letting me get pregnant when He did.

>

> My feeling is that TMJ issues should be dealt with very cautiously

and

> surgery should only be undertaken as a very, very last, absolutely

> last, resort, if at all. The best outcome would be that these

issues

> resolve on their own. Mine took about a year to go away, but they

did

> on their own. I consider myself lucky. I shudder to think what

might

> have happened if I jumped when the doctor said jump.

>

> I do not chew gum or any other hard candies as a result of my

previous

> TMJ issues, but I have not had a single instance of trouble since

it

> healed on its own.

> Patty

>

>

> >

> > I am glad to hear that you are feeling better already. Isn't it

> > wonderful? Having a second chance at life? I was wondering what

> > kind of surgery your son is having done on his jaw? Does he

have

> > TMJ? My son has it pretty severely but I have heard not to have

> > surgery. Just wondering.

> > Hugs, Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing. I am so glad that things are looking up. You

will continue to improve as time goes by but it isn't always in a

straight line. We often experience setbacks, followed by greater

progress. I am sure some of this is in the form of herxes which can

often make you think you are getting worse, not better. My fms

symptoms were the slowest to improve but they definitely are

improving!

Hugs,Kathy

> > Does anyone know of a dr. in the los angeles, orange county

area

> in

> > california that takes a PPO insurance?

> >

> > My HMO insurance denied my explantation. I'm in tears. My dr.

> says

> > that theres no proof all of my problems are caused by the

implants.

> >

> > Should I see a Hematologist? An immuneologist?, Rheumatologist?

> > Doesn't a hemotolgist check for toxins?, which the breast

implants

> > are made up of.

> >

> > Should i see an infectious disease dr. I don't know where to

> begin.

> >

> > I've been to the dr. so many times for help and

> tests. 'EVERYTHING

> > APPEARS NORMAL'.

> >

> > My skin burns and itches like i've had chemicals poured on it.

> > Rashes, shingles, brain fog, shooting pain in my left temple,

down

> > my legs and arms, numbness/tingling in extremities, high white

> blood

> > count with blood in urine (kidneys were hurting), went to urgent

> > care feeling like i had been poisoned, always flu-like and very

> > weak. No energy, lethargic, insomnia, memory problems, slurring

> of

> > speech, trouble pronouncing/forming words,

> depression/anxiety/panic

> > attachs, jolting palpitations alot of the time, shooting chest

> pain

> > on left side, nightsweats, visual changes, osteoarthritis,

> > degeneration of spine...and other symptoms.

> >

> > SOMEBODY HELP ME, PLEASE!! Any referral on what type of dr. for

> me

> > to see? Did you, if and after denial of insurance coverage for

> > explantation, see certain drs. to prove it was implants? I've

> been

> > on disability for 17 years since my implants and i'm getting

> sicker

> > and sicker.

> >

> > ARE THERE PRO BOBO SURGEONS? OR PPO INSURANCE COVERED SURGEONS

> HERE

> > IN CALIFORNIA?

> >

> > thanks, sherry

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given

> by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

> treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

> better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

> Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> > http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

They make dental mouthpieces that you wear at night to

keep your jaw relaxed . . . This can give TMJ a chance

to settle down. Chances are, your husband clamps his

jaw or grinds his teeth.

Personally, I couldn't keep it in my mouth at night -

I'd have to hunt it down with I woke up . . . but I

found that I could put it in for a brief time during

the day . . . It would break the cycle of tension,

then my jaw would be relaxed.

One dentist told me that I could practice making my

tongue as wide a possible, covering my molars, to

break a cycle of clenching too.

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

You might consider acupuncture.

Lynda

At 08:48 PM 2/26/2006, you wrote:

>-

>

>Thats what I heard also. Tom's tmj is longstanding and a daily

>battle. He takes ibuprofen everyday. Any ideas? He is going to a

>chiropractor is working on that area, but he tried that once before

>and it didn't work. Thoughts would always be appreciated.

>Hugs, Kathy

>

>

>

>

>

>-- In , " glory2glory1401 "

><glory2glory1401@...> wrote:

> >

> > I had TMJ problems right after I got married, (but years before I

>got

> > implants), and I was scheduled to have surgery. God intervened

>just in

> > time, as I was discovered to be pregnant, and so they would not

> > perform the MRI on my jaw that they needed to do. I remember that

>the

> > doctor was quite upset that he couldn't perform the surgery on me,

>and

> > we did splints instead. (What a wasted effort that was.)

> >

> > The good news was that over time, my TMJ problems resolved on

>their

> > own. And after I went through my implant nightmare and researched

> > other implanted devices, I discovered the TMJ implants were their

>own

> > nightmare as they disintegrated inside people's jaws. I felt like

>God

> > had protected me from that by letting me get pregnant when He did.

> >

> > My feeling is that TMJ issues should be dealt with very cautiously

>and

> > surgery should only be undertaken as a very, very last, absolutely

> > last, resort, if at all. The best outcome would be that these

>issues

> > resolve on their own. Mine took about a year to go away, but they

>did

> > on their own. I consider myself lucky. I shudder to think what

>might

> > have happened if I jumped when the doctor said jump.

> >

> > I do not chew gum or any other hard candies as a result of my

>previous

> > TMJ issues, but I have not had a single instance of trouble since

>it

> > healed on its own.

> > Patty

> >

> >

> > >

> > > I am glad to hear that you are feeling better already. Isn't it

> > > wonderful? Having a second chance at life? I was wondering what

> > > kind of surgery your son is having done on his jaw? Does he

>have

> > > TMJ? My son has it pretty severely but I have heard not to have

> > > surgery. Just wondering.

> > > Hugs, Kathy

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

>licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

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>mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

>decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

>better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

>Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

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Rogene

Actually it is my twenty four year old son that has the problem.

His orthodontist probably initiated it. He gave him an appliance

but it didn't help. I will pass on the tip about the tongue

exercise. Thanks

Kathy

-- In , Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:

>

> Kathy,

>

> They make dental mouthpieces that you wear at night to

> keep your jaw relaxed . . . This can give TMJ a chance

> to settle down. Chances are, your husband clamps his

> jaw or grinds his teeth.

>

> Personally, I couldn't keep it in my mouth at night -

> I'd have to hunt it down with I woke up . . . but I

> found that I could put it in for a brief time during

> the day . . . It would break the cycle of tension,

> then my jaw would be relaxed.

>

> One dentist told me that I could practice making my

> tongue as wide a possible, covering my molars, to

> break a cycle of clenching too.

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

I had braces too, and I was told by my dental hygienist that many

brace-wearers end up with TMJ issues. Nice, huh? My youngest son

has braces right now and has been complaining about his jaw.

Ugh...I pray that he does not end up with any TMJ issues like I did.

I am sorry for your son having this trouble! If he is taking

ibuprofen daily, please make sure he is also taking NAC (N-acetyl-

cysteine) to protect his liver too. (Did you see that article I

posted recently on that?)

And make sure that he eats a good diet providing lots of glutathione

too!

Hugs,

Patty

> >

> > Kathy,

> >

> > They make dental mouthpieces that you wear at night to

> > keep your jaw relaxed . . . This can give TMJ a chance

> > to settle down. Chances are, your husband clamps his

> > jaw or grinds his teeth.

> >

> > Personally, I couldn't keep it in my mouth at night -

> > I'd have to hunt it down with I woke up . . . but I

> > found that I could put it in for a brief time during

> > the day . . . It would break the cycle of tension,

> > then my jaw would be relaxed.

> >

> > One dentist told me that I could practice making my

> > tongue as wide a possible, covering my molars, to

> > break a cycle of clenching too.

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Rogene

> >

>

[Guest guest]

No Patty, I didn't. Thanks for pointing it out. I will tell him.

Plus my daughter has alot of migraines and takes alot of advil too.

I think I will put her on milk thistle.

Hugs, Kathy

> > >

> > > Kathy,

> > >

> > > They make dental mouthpieces that you wear at night to

> > > keep your jaw relaxed . . . This can give TMJ a chance

> > > to settle down. Chances are, your husband clamps his

> > > jaw or grinds his teeth.

> > >

> > > Personally, I couldn't keep it in my mouth at night -

> > > I'd have to hunt it down with I woke up . . . but I

> > > found that I could put it in for a brief time during

> > > the day . . . It would break the cycle of tension,

> > > then my jaw would be relaxed.

> > >

> > > One dentist told me that I could practice making my

> > > tongue as wide a possible, covering my molars, to

> > > break a cycle of clenching too.

> > >

> > > Hugs,

> > >

> > > Rogene

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy,

Has your daughter ever tried Excedrin Migraine for her migraines? I get

them occasionally too and Tylenol and Advil don't even touch them. Excedrin

Migraine works better than migraine prescriptions ever worked for me. It's

terrible on your liver, contains Tylenol, aspirin and caffeine but it knocks

a migraine out within 30 minutes if I catch it early. I am always on liver

supplements so it's worth it to me to take the drugs and get rid of the

headache. Herbals just don't work for my migraines. Lord knows I have

tried.

Just thought I'd pass it on.

Kenda

>

> No Patty, I didn't. Thanks for pointing it out. I will tell him.

> Plus my daughter has alot of migraines and takes alot of advil too.

> I think I will put her on milk thistle.

> Hugs, Kathy

>

>

>

>

>

>

>>>>

>>>> Kathy,

>>>>

>>>> They make dental mouthpieces that you wear at night to

>>>> keep your jaw relaxed . . . This can give TMJ a chance

>>>> to settle down. Chances are, your husband clamps his

>>>> jaw or grinds his teeth.

>>>>

>>>> Personally, I couldn't keep it in my mouth at night -

>>>> I'd have to hunt it down with I woke up . . . but I

>>>> found that I could put it in for a brief time during

>>>> the day . . . It would break the cycle of tension,

>>>> then my jaw would be relaxed.

>>>>

>>>> One dentist told me that I could practice making my

>>>> tongue as wide a possible, covering my molars, to

>>>> break a cycle of clenching too.

>>>>

>>>> Hugs,

>>>>

>>>> Rogene

>>>>

>>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed

> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care

> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a

> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

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[Guest guest]

-

Thanks Kenda

Actually she has. It seems to work about as well as advil for her.

Same for me. She has so many headaches that I am hoping to find

some natural way to help her.

Hugs, Kathy

-- In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Kathy,

>

> Has your daughter ever tried Excedrin Migraine for her migraines?

I get

> them occasionally too and Tylenol and Advil don't even touch

them. Excedrin

> Migraine works better than migraine prescriptions ever worked for

me. It's

> terrible on your liver, contains Tylenol, aspirin and caffeine but

it knocks

> a migraine out within 30 minutes if I catch it early. I am always

on liver

> supplements so it's worth it to me to take the drugs and get rid

of the

> headache. Herbals just don't work for my migraines. Lord knows I

have

> tried.

>

> Just thought I'd pass it on.

>

> Kenda

>

> >

> > No Patty, I didn't. Thanks for pointing it out. I will tell

him.

> > Plus my daughter has alot of migraines and takes alot of advil

too.

> > I think I will put her on milk thistle.

> > Hugs, Kathy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >>>

> >>> -

> >>>

> >>> Rogene

> >>> Actually it is my twenty four year old son that has the

> > problem.

> >>> His orthodontist probably initiated it. He gave him an

> > appliance

> >>> but it didn't help. I will pass on the tip about the tongue

> >>> exercise. Thanks

> >>> Kathy

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> -- In , Rogene S <saxony01@>

wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> Kathy,

> >>>>

> >>>> They make dental mouthpieces that you wear at night to

> >>>> keep your jaw relaxed . . . This can give TMJ a chance

> >>>> to settle down. Chances are, your husband clamps his

> >>>> jaw or grinds his teeth.

> >>>>

> >>>> Personally, I couldn't keep it in my mouth at night -

> >>>> I'd have to hunt it down with I woke up . . . but I

> >>>> found that I could put it in for a brief time during

> >>>> the day . . . It would break the cycle of tension,

> >>>> then my jaw would be relaxed.

> >>>>

> >>>> One dentist told me that I could practice making my

> >>>> tongue as wide a possible, covering my molars, to

> >>>> break a cycle of clenching too.

> >>>>

> >>>> Hugs,

> >>>>

> >>>> Rogene

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by licensed

> > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

health care

> > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you.

> > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

how to live a

> > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

two-time

> > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> > http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> >

> >