Guest guest Posted August 9, 1999 Report Share Posted August 9, 1999 it's obvious that spaghetti squash is a low carb food that we can all enjoy with a clear conscience I'm so glad this was answered. I almost bought some but was afraid it was as bad as potatos. I found out that if I dont eat I can control my levels. Just kidding. I do need some advice (again) I need to know if I am doing right or not about eating. This morning before my first break it read 236. I had breakfast at 5:30am. So by 9 I was hungry but becuse it was so high I did not eat anything. Then at 11:30 am it was down to 187, I had lunch one garden burger hamburger salad with a tablespoon blue cheese fat free dressing. at 1:45 pm it read 212 so again I forgo the snack. At 5: 15 it read 154 and I was a bit dizzy. I went to libary and had to sit for a minute. Am I doing this right? Even though it reads high should I go ahead and eat low carb stuff about 6 times a day? By forgoing the snacks I get real hungry. But I am confused about when I should eat. At the libary I checked out sugar busters. The berensteins book is on order. What about the Atkins diet? I saw that at the store. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 1999 Report Share Posted August 9, 1999 Mike, I have to give you a lot of credit for trying so hard to make this work. I am really new at this and I know the other wise folks will have some answers too, but I just have to add my two cents here. I would not skip the snacks. Have some protein. I have salami and a small cube of cheese. Breakfast at 5:30 and then lunch at 11:30 is a long time. Without a bottle of dressing in front of me, I can't say for sure but I bet that the fat free dressing actually has more carbs in it then the regular dressing. Seems like when they remove the fat, more carbs get added. I made my own with some really good Blue Danish blue cheese, heavy cream, and mayo. YUM! Your reading of 154 made you dizzy because even though that is still a high reading your body is not used to being that low. You will feel like that at first until your body adjusts. My first day (when I was on Glyburide) I hit the 90's and I was really shaky and heart beating fast. Now I am in the 90's daily and I feel fine. It just takes a little time to get used to it. And you will, just hang in there! You keep eating low carb and more protein/fat and you will see how those numbers will come down. = ) Meniowl@... In a message dated 8/9/99 6:56:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mwells@... writes: << I need to know if I am doing right or not about eating. This morning before my first break it read 236. I had breakfast at 5:30am. So by 9 I was hungry but becuse it was so high I did not eat anything. Then at 11:30 am it was down to 187, I had lunch one garden burger hamburger salad with a tablespoon blue cheese fat free dressing. at 1:45 pm it read 212 so again I forgo the snack. At 5: 15 it read 154 and I was a bit dizzy. I went to libary and had to sit for a minute. Am I doing this right? Even though it reads high should I go ahead and eat low carb stuff about 6 times a day? >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 1999 Report Share Posted August 9, 1999 In a message dated 8/9/99 9:50:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mwells@... writes: << >Thanks for the info. I tested again tonight and it was holding steady for the first time, 152. I ate 2 eggs as a snack. Just started reading sugar busters. I will keep quiet now and see what happens. I am giving myself a month of eating low carb. If it still reads high in a month I will go to doc and go meds. I dont think this will happen since my bg has been down to 152 It just needs to stay steady. My biggest spike seems when I first wake. Is this fasting? One last thing, my wife thinks she has all the symptoms of fibromyalgia. She is reading up on it and low and belhold the book talks about high protein low carb diet. 30%fat 30%carb 40% protein. So we are doing this thing together. >> Mike, One thing I just thought of too...are you vegetarian? I ask this because I think you have mentioned twice now that you had a Garden Burger. From my book of carbohydrate counts it looks like that type of burger has quite a few carbs in it. Ck those labels to be sure. If you are not a vegetarian a beef hamburger has 0 carbs. I think you will see results before the month is up. It is great that your wife is also going to be eating the same way. Makes it so much easier. My hubby has decided to do the same thing since he is trying to drop his cholesterol and triglycerides and also some weight. Sounds so strange to eat more protein to do this, but time will tell. FYI: Since you are still waiting for Bernstein's book to come, his plan is 6 carbs for breakfast, 12 at lunch and 12 at dinner. The lower carb in the AM since our blood sugar is usually higher then. And yes, the AM reading is considered your fasting reading. Are you exercising too? We just never let up, huh? = ) Meniowl@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 1999 Report Share Posted August 9, 1999 > Mike Wells wrote: > > it's obvious that spaghetti squash is a low carb food that we can all > enjoy with a clear conscience > > I'm so glad this was answered. I almost bought some but was afraid it > was as bad as potatos. > I found out that if I dont eat I can control my levels. Just kidding. > I do need some advice (again) > > I need to know if I am doing right or not about eating. This morning > before my first break it read 236. > I had breakfast at 5:30am. So by 9 I was hungry but becuse it was so > high I did not eat anything. > > Then at 11:30 am it was down to 187, I had lunch one garden burger > hamburger salad with a tablespoon blue cheese fat free dressing. at > 1:45 pm it read 212 so again I forgo the snack. At 5: 15 it read 154 > and I was a bit dizzy. I went to libary and had to sit for a minute. > > Am I doing this right? Even though it reads high should I go ahead and > eat low carb stuff about 6 times a day? > > By forgoing the snacks I get real hungry. But I am confused about when > I should eat. > > At the libary I checked out sugar busters. The berensteins book is on > order. What about the Atkins diet? I saw that at the store. > > Mike Mike, I know this post will bring some heat from some, but here goes anyway. I believe the best way for a type 2 to control their diabetes is with diet and exercise. That said, it sometimes takes quite a bit of time to get to the point where diet and exercise will suffice. The weight must come down, exercise must be adequate, and the diet must be good enough to keep the bg at a safe level. You may find that you'll need some type of oral medication to assist you in reaching good stable numbers, which can be reduced or eliminated altogether once the weight is normal. Depending on weight and other factors, even insulin might be indicated. My thinking is that if medication is indicated, then to go along with high readings is not prudent, as long-term, that's what's gonna bite you. So, I really would suggest talking with your doc and seeing if a medication (I'm on Glucophage) would help you reach your goals. You can always get off the medication when you get things where they should be, and it's not a sign of defeat to have to do it this way. Dave -- Dave -- August 9, 1999 dorcutt@... t2 08/98 Glucophage & Aspartame Davor's daily aphorism: I try to make everyone's day a little more surreal. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 1999 Report Share Posted August 9, 1999 Re: squash >From: Meniowl@... > >Mike, >I have to give you a lot of credit for trying so hard to make this work. I >am really new at this and I know the other wise folks will have some answers >too, but I just have to add my two cents here. > >I would not skip the snacks. Have some protein. I have salami and a small >cube of cheese. Breakfast at 5:30 and then lunch at 11:30 is a long time. > >Without a bottle of dressing in front of me, I can't say for sure but I bet >that the fat free dressing actually has more carbs in it then the regular >dressing. Seems like when they remove the fat, more carbs get added. I made >my own with some really good Blue Danish blue cheese, heavy cream, and mayo. >YUM! > >Your reading of 154 made you dizzy because even though that is still a high >reading your body is not used to being that low. You will feel like that at >first until your body adjusts. My first day (when I was on Glyburide) I hit >the 90's and I was really shaky and heart beating fast. Now I am in the 90's >daily and I feel fine. It just takes a little time to get used to it. And >you will, just hang in there! > >You keep eating low carb and more protein/fat and you will see how those >numbers will come down. = ) > >Meniowl@... > >Thanks for the info. I tested again tonight and it was holding steady for the first time, 152. I ate 2 eggs as a snack. Just started reading sugar busters. I will keep quiet now and see what happens. I am giving myself a month of eating low carb. If it still reads high in a month I will go to doc and go meds. I dont think this will happen since my bg has been down to 152 It just needs to stay steady. My biggest spike seems when I first wake. Is this fasting? One last thing, my wife thinks she has all the symptoms of fibromyalgia. She is reading up on it and low and belhold the book talks about high protein low carb diet. 30%fat 30%carb 40% protein. So we are doing this thing together. Mike >In a message dated 8/9/99 6:56:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >mwells@... writes: > ><< > I need to know if I am doing right or not about eating. This morning before >my first break it read 236. > I had breakfast at 5:30am. So by 9 I was hungry but becuse it was so high I >did not eat anything. > > Then at 11:30 am it was down to 187, I had lunch one garden burger hamburger >salad with a tablespoon blue cheese fat free dressing. at 1:45 pm it read 212 >so again I forgo the snack. At 5: 15 it read 154 and I was a bit dizzy. I >went to libary and had to sit for a minute. > > Am I doing this right? Even though it reads high should I go ahead and eat >low carb stuff about 6 times a day? > >> > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 1999 Report Share Posted August 10, 1999 Mike Wells asks: << ... Am I doing this right? Even though it reads high should I go ahead and eat low carb stuff about 6 times a day? >> Mike, our bodies are always trying to " save themselves. " If your body is accustomed to blood glucose readings in the 200-range, it will make you feel hypoglycemic at anything below that. It will just take a short break-in period to get it to respond more normally. I'm a grazer myself ... think it's a great idea ... 4-5 snackies a day rather than 2-3 big meals are actually easier on the pancreas and liver ... not so much of a load on your system all at one time. Sounds to me like you have a program that will work for you. Keep the activity level as high as you can comfortably manage ... watch the calorie intake ... eat your foods as " natural " as you are comfy with (raw veggies vs. cooked, plenty of fiber, etc.). Above all else, find a program that you can live with ... because this is a WOL ... WOE (way of life or way of eating) ... an eating style that we need to live with for the rest of our long, healthy, happy lives ... Susie o:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 1999 Report Share Posted August 10, 1999 Hi, Meniowl, that was an excellent answer you gave to Mike....Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 1999 Report Share Posted August 10, 1999 No heat from me, Dave, that's a good answer to Mike! Vicki In a message dated 99-08-10 00:26:28 EDT, you write: << I know this post will bring some heat from some, but here goes anyway. I believe the best way for a type 2 to control their diabetes is with diet and exercise. That said, it sometimes takes quite a bit of time to get to the point where diet and exercise will suffice. The weight must come down, exercise must be adequate, and the diet must be good enough to keep the bg at a safe level. You may find that you'll need some type of oral medication to assist you in reaching good stable numbers, which can be reduced or eliminated altogether once the weight is normal. Depending on weight and other factors, even insulin might be indicated. My thinking is that if medication is indicated, then to go along with high readings is not prudent, as long-term, that's what's gonna bite you. So, I really would suggest talking with your doc and seeing if a medication (I'm on Glucophage) would help you reach your goals. You can always get off the medication when you get things where they should be, and it's not a sign of defeat to have to do it this way. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 1999 Report Share Posted August 10, 1999 Hi, MIke, no need to keep quiet for a whole month...let us know how you're doing sooner than that! And yes, high fasting BG seems to be a problem for a lot of us. It certainly is for me. Fasting blood glucose (BG) , the measurement you take before breakfast. Vicki In a message dated 99-08-10 00:51:10 EDT, you write: << s a snack. Just started reading sugar busters. I will keep quiet now and see what happens. I am giving myself a month of eating low carb. If it still reads high in a month I will go to doc and go meds. I dont think this will happen since my bg has been down to 152 It just needs to stay steady. My biggest spike seems when I first wake. Is this fasting? >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 1999 Report Share Posted August 10, 1999 Dave Orcutt wrote: << I know this post will bring some heat from some, but here goes anyway ... >> Hey Dave ... this is the *nice* diabetics' group ... lololol. Our Fearless Leader Norgaard created this group as a friendly, welcome alternative to that " other " group where it seems you get slagged with every post. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 1999 Report Share Posted August 10, 1999 OtterCritter wrote: > > > > Dave Orcutt wrote: > > << I know this post will bring some heat from some, but here goes anyway ... > >> > > Hey Dave ... this is the *nice* diabetics' group ... lololol. Our Fearless > Leader Norgaard created this group as a friendly, welcome alternative > to that " other " group where it seems you get slagged with every post. > > Susie Oh yeah, I forgot. So, I don't have to duck? -- Dave -- August 10, 1999 dorcutt@... t2 08/98 Glucophage & Aspartame Davor's daily aphorism: I try to make everyone's day a little more surreal. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 1999 Report Share Posted August 10, 1999 Genrally, the fat-free stuff tends to be carb heavy. But Kraft has a couple of their Free dressings, the Italian and the Caesar, which are alos pretty low in carbs. > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:13:03 EDT > From: Meniowl@... > Subject: Re: squash > Without a bottle of dressing in front of me, I can't say for sure but I > bet > that the fat free dressing actually has more carbs in it then the > regular > dressing. Seems like when they remove the fat, more carbs get added. I > made > my own with some really good Blue Danish blue cheese, heavy cream, and > mayo. > YUM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 1999 Report Share Posted August 12, 1999 In a message dated 99-08-11 23:03:54 EDT, you write: << Oh yeah, I forgot. So, I don't have to duck? Well you can if you want. Duck - 0 gm carb. >> <giggle> Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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