Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 On my last visit to my osteopath he asked me if I used pre packed ready to eat salad from the supermarket. He told me of an article that he read on it saying the salad was washed in chlorine, one to kill any germs and two it bleached the dirt to make it appear clean, needless to say he warned me not to use it!!!!! the mind boggles what ever next. Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Thanks Sue. That is such good information about pre-washed salads and chlorine. Last night I noticed that our tap water seems to smell of chlorine. I was the one who was concerned about chlorine in a public swimming pool, but now I realize that it's in our regular water that we use for showers, baths and drinking anyway. does anyone else think they smell chlorine in their tap water and can we do anything about it?LaurieOn Mar 19, 2006, at 9:00 AM, gibbense@... wrote: On my last visit to my osteopath he asked me if I used pre packed ready to eat salad from the supermarket. He told me of an article that he read on it saying the salad was washed in chlorine, one to kill any germs and two it bleached the dirt to make it appear clean, needless to say he warned me not to use it!!!!! the mind boggles what ever next. Sue Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) See our photos website! Enter "implants" for access at this link: http://.shutterfly.com/action/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 , Can you ask that doc if he has any studies showing the safety of using chlorine on babies? . . . Just their lungs, for God's sake! - let alone what it's doing to their skin! Has he tried it on himself? I wonder if a dilute solution of hydrogen peroxide wouldn't do the same thing, but much safer? I saw one report that said that surfaces washed with hydrogen peroxide stay bacteria free longer than when cleaned with other products. Hugs, Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 I have a partial package of pre-washed spinach in the refrigerator that's at least four weeks old. I want to see how long it stays good. . . So far, only a few wilted leaves. I shudder to think what they've used on it to make it last that long! Recently I've noticed that " fresh " produce is staying " fresh " way beyond what I would consider normal. Chlorine? . . . I don't know! Hugs, Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Here in the U.S. I hate to tell you of another criminal act in the medical field...but with the spread of the antibiotic resistant staph infections going rampant...we were just instructed to bath our babies in ...BLEACH. I kid you not!! And that came from a pediatric ID doctor! ~julie Re: Re: Infrared saunas I had a lot of respiratory problems with aover-chlorinated exercise pool . . . I ended upquitting the facility. They were substutiting chlorinefor cleaning! Check the internet for the properties and dangers ofchlorine . . . It's quite dangerous if not usedproperly. If one does use a chlorinated pool, I'd suggest usingthe sauna, or a hot shower afterwards to sweat theabsorbed chlorine out. Whatever you do, don't leave without showeringthoroughly and spend the day with stuff on your skin!L.Ron Hubbard, in his book "Clear Body, Clear Mind"tells of someone who reeked of chlorine so badly whilesweating in the sauna that others were driven out.Hugs,Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 EEgads! God help us! > > Here in the U.S. I hate to tell you of another criminal act in the medical field...but with the spread of the antibiotic resistant staph infections going rampant...we were just instructed to bath our babies in ...BLEACH. I kid you not!! And that came from a pediatric ID doctor! > ~julie > Re: Re: Infrared saunas > > > I had a lot of respiratory problems with a > over-chlorinated exercise pool . . . I ended up > quitting the facility. They were substutiting chlorine > for cleaning! > > Check the internet for the properties and dangers of > chlorine . . . It's quite dangerous if not used > properly. > > If one does use a chlorinated pool, I'd suggest using > the sauna, or a hot shower afterwards to sweat the > absorbed chlorine out. > > Whatever you do, don't leave without showering > thoroughly and spend the day with stuff on your skin! > > L.Ron Hubbard, in his book " Clear Body, Clear Mind " > tells of someone who reeked of chlorine so badly while > sweating in the sauna that others were driven out. > > Hugs, > > Rogene > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: > http://.shutterfly.com/action/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 thanks so much. you are a wealth of information! I'll follow up on your suggestions and do my research. Laurie On Mar 19, 2006, at 2:13 PM, glory2glory1401 wrote: > Laurie, > You sure can. First of all, don't drink your tap water anymore. If > you can, get filtered water. We buy our water and have it delivered > in 5 gallon bottles and I cook with it as well. We only use tap > water for washing. Almost everyone here in Nevada does. Tap water > is just putrid here with contaminants. (Of course, the city > officials don't want us to think that! They say its clean!) > > You can also buy filters like Brita that take chlorine out of the > tap water. They are pretty easy to use. You just have to replace > those filters often. > > When it comes to the shower or bath, you can use filters that get > rid of the chlorine that attach to your shower head, or you can get > items for the bath. One of the easiest ones I found for the bath is > called the crystal ball. It was recommended by a doctor I > corresponded with from another group, so I was relieved to know it > comes recommended by someone who has looked at all the options. > > Here is a link for it....this is just one link...I researched the > net at the time that I bought mine and found lots of price > variations and so definitely look for the cheapest price you can: > > http://www.allergybuyersclubshopping.com/ra-wp-bath-water-filter.html > > What you want is a technology called KDF filament...look for these > in your shower filters as well. > > http://www.showerfilterstore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc? > Screen=CTGY & Store_Code=SFS & Category_Code=SFC > > Hope this helps! > Patty > > > >> >> Thanks Sue. That is such good information about pre-washed > salads >> and chlorine. Last night I noticed that our tap water seems to > smell >> of chlorine. I was the one who was concerned about chlorine in a >> public swimming pool, but now I realize that it's in our regular >> water that we use for showers, baths and drinking anyway. does >> anyone else think they smell chlorine in their tap water and can > we >> do anything about it? >> Laurie >> >> > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given > by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or > licensed health care professional before commencing any medical > treatment. > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, > Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: > http://.shutterfly.com/action/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Laurie, You sure can. First of all, don't drink your tap water anymore. If you can, get filtered water. We buy our water and have it delivered in 5 gallon bottles and I cook with it as well. We only use tap water for washing. Almost everyone here in Nevada does. Tap water is just putrid here with contaminants. (Of course, the city officials don't want us to think that! They say its clean!) You can also buy filters like Brita that take chlorine out of the tap water. They are pretty easy to use. You just have to replace those filters often. When it comes to the shower or bath, you can use filters that get rid of the chlorine that attach to your shower head, or you can get items for the bath. One of the easiest ones I found for the bath is called the crystal ball. It was recommended by a doctor I corresponded with from another group, so I was relieved to know it comes recommended by someone who has looked at all the options. Here is a link for it....this is just one link...I researched the net at the time that I bought mine and found lots of price variations and so definitely look for the cheapest price you can: http://www.allergybuyersclubshopping.com/ra-wp-bath-water-filter.html What you want is a technology called KDF filament...look for these in your shower filters as well. http://www.showerfilterstore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc? Screen=CTGY & Store_Code=SFS & Category_Code=SFC Hope this helps! Patty > > Thanks Sue. That is such good information about pre-washed salads > and chlorine. Last night I noticed that our tap water seems to smell > of chlorine. I was the one who was concerned about chlorine in a > public swimming pool, but now I realize that it's in our regular > water that we use for showers, baths and drinking anyway. does > anyone else think they smell chlorine in their tap water and can we > do anything about it? > Laurie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Here is a link for a better discussion of the KDF technology for those interested in dechlorinating their water: http://www.rainshowermfg.com/Frame-LearnKDF.html > > > > Thanks Sue. That is such good information about pre-washed > salads > > and chlorine. Last night I noticed that our tap water seems to > smell > > of chlorine. I was the one who was concerned about chlorine in a > > public swimming pool, but now I realize that it's in our regular > > water that we use for showers, baths and drinking anyway. does > > anyone else think they smell chlorine in their tap water and can > we > > do anything about it? > > Laurie > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Good Lord yes, why not something kinder to the skin than bleach. I just cannot fathom bathing a baby in clorox. Lynda At 08:04 AM 3/19/2006, you wrote: >, > >Can you ask that doc if he has any studies showing the >safety of using chlorine on babies? . . . > >Just their lungs, for God's sake! - let alone what >it's doing to their skin! > >Has he tried it on himself? > >I wonder if a dilute solution of hydrogen peroxide >wouldn't do the same thing, but much safer? I saw one >report that said that surfaces washed with hydrogen >peroxide stay bacteria free longer than when cleaned >with other products. > >Hugs, > >Rogene > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, >Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: ><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.co\ m/action/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 I know I'm late on this conversation and it could very well be over will by now, but I'm just now reading it. I fibd it to be interesting because for like two weeks I had been wanting to ask about some literature I found related to bleach and the skin. I read that it was a very good way to detox the body of metal toxins. Hmmm...sounds like us silicone people could use it. I haven't tried it because of the open lesions on my skin. I'm not sure what the who conversation was about, especially as it relates to babies, but I will say that as a Labor & Delivery nurse I have delivered hundreds of babies and I've never seen bleach in any delivery room or Nursery...I've personally never brought the stuff anywhere near a neonate! Anyway, what I've read is to take a tub/bath in hot water (as hot as one can tolerate without scalding the skin) Add 1C of bleach stay in the tub until water has cooled off, then get out. No shower x4 hours. I do know that 1cup of bleach in a huge tub of water isn't that much. We tend to think of bleach being in the strength as it comes out of the bottle. But in a diluted solution, it's very safe and still very effective. Nonetheless, I'm not sure I would even use that on a baby! So has anyone heard of or tried the bleach detox bath? I've done the MgSO4 baths for years, not sure if they work for me as far as the detox is concerned, but at least I feel like I'm doing something... Christene > >, > > > >Can you ask that doc if he has any studies showing the > >safety of using chlorine on babies? . . . > > > >Just their lungs, for God's sake! - let alone what > >it's doing to their skin! > > > >Has he tried it on himself? > > > >I wonder if a dilute solution of hydrogen peroxide > >wouldn't do the same thing, but much safer? I saw one > >report that said that surfaces washed with hydrogen > >peroxide stay bacteria free longer than when cleaned > >with other products. > > > >Hugs, > > > >Rogene > > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given > >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or > >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, > >Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: > ><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.co\ m/action/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 I've heard of the bleach detox bath, but I never recommended it on this group, even in a diluted form....it is chlorine bleach, and chlorine is a big NO NO! I much prefer the magnesium sulfate baths (Epsom salts) and of course, there are many other types of detox baths using natural ingredients such as apple cider vinegar, sea salt, baking soda, essential oils and more. I will post some info on various detox baths. I think it was Palanca, a former member who said she had great results with the apple cider vinegar bath. Patty > > I know I'm late on this conversation and it could very well be over will by now, but I'm just now reading it. I fibd it to be interesting because for like two weeks I had been wanting to ask about some literature I found related to bleach and the skin. I read that it was a very good way to detox the body of metal toxins. Hmmm...sounds like us silicone people could use it. I haven't tried it because of the open lesions on my skin. I'm not sure what the who conversation was about, especially as it relates to babies, but I will say that as a Labor & Delivery nurse I have delivered hundreds of babies and I've never seen bleach in any delivery room or Nursery...I've personally never brought the stuff anywhere near a neonate! > Anyway, what I've read is to take a tub/bath in hot water (as hot as one can tolerate without scalding the skin) > Add 1C of bleach > stay in the tub until water has cooled off, then get out. No shower x4 hours. > I do know that 1cup of bleach in a huge tub of water isn't that much. We tend to think of bleach being in the strength as it comes out of the bottle. But in a diluted solution, it's very safe and still very effective. Nonetheless, I'm not sure I would even use that on a baby! > > So has anyone heard of or tried the bleach detox bath? I've done the MgSO4 baths for years, not sure if they work for me as far as the detox is concerned, but at least I feel like I'm doing something... > > Christene > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Herbal Bathing by Joan Madonna-Dehnert Spring 2000 The ancient Egyptians, Greeks and Romans all loved bathing and made a pleasurable, ceremonious therapy of it. In times of stress or fatigue or after a long day's overwork, there is nothing like a sensuous pleasure of a bath to revive the spirit. Simply soaking gently in hot water soothes and relaxes. Hot water is just the new material. Different things can be added to scent or soften it,to make it therapeutic or a beauty treatment or a bath for shattered nerves. This is not about those colored crystals or bottles of bubble bath which will leave your skin dry because of the alkaline detergents they contain. They strip away the protective acid mantel of your skin. Make your bathroom a pleasant refuge with a handy shelf for books, drinks, bath essentials and a cassette player to add your favorite music. Add green plants to it, ferns love the humidity. Avoid really hot baths, if you stagger out with reddened skin, feeling drained of life- you've over done it. Try and take a bath that is pleasantly warm. If you have high blood pressure,heart conditions, asthma, varicose veins or cellulite a long hot bath is not wise. Also if you have a large meal, forget the bath. It would not help digestion. Unless you add moisturizers to the hot bath it will leave your skin dried out. At the end of the hot bath turn on the cold water and let the bath cool down before you get out. Before getting into your bath, give your skin a quick head to toe brush with a special or loofah starting at your toes and working upward in a circular motion. Then wipe your body with a warm sponge or flannel cloth. Now you will be nice and clean so you can relax in the bath. For deep skin cleaning use one cup of sea salt, add a little water - or if your skin is dry, use milk. Rub it into your body, but avoid the groin and face. Then sit down in the water and let the salt dissolve to give you a sea bath. As a Hungarian beauty specialist told her clients, " Salt preserves meat. " You can do the same thing with Epsom salts, oatmeal, almond meal. barley meal or bran. All are cleansing and softening. Take a square of cotton or linen sheet, tie the meal up in it, put it under the running tap and then rub is all over yourself. Milk is very soothing to the skin or you can use of cup full of instant dried nonfat milk. It is also an excellent medium for diluting and dispersing essential oils. Add five to six drops of milk. Essential Oils Essential oils are very powerful concentrates of a plant. Do not use more than five drops in a bath. If the bath water is too hot, the oils will evaporate. If you've never used essential oils before, dilute it in milk or a carrier oil. Black Pepper - for aching muscles Clary Sage - as a pick-me-up or for premenstrual tension Eucalyptus - for respiratory problems Geranium - for very dry or itchy skin, eczema or PMS Jasmine - when you wish to feel luxurious Lavender - dry skin, eczema, sprains, hot flashes, headaches, over work, insomnia Orange - to pep you up Rosemary - to get you going in the morning or as a quick pick-me-up before going out in the evening. Also good for aches and sore muscles. Chamomile, Lavender or roses are good for dry, delicate or irritated skin. Rosemary, Calendula and Thyme for oily skin. Herbs Burdock - skin Calendula Catnip Chamomile Comfrey Lavender Lemon Balm - good for hyperactive children Oatstraw Oregano - sprains Rosemary Roses - red or white are best. Red is for emotional problems Sage - inflamed joints St. swart Floating Aromatic Bath Oil 25 drops of essential oil (1/4 tsp.) 1 oz almond oil or vegetable oil Shake to mix. Use one teaspoon per bath. For babies, mix six drops essential to one ounce carrier oil. Use 1/2 teaspoon per bath. Bath Vinegar 25 drops of essential oil (1/4 tsp.) 4oz vinegar Combine ingredients. Let the essential oil sit in the vinegar for one week, shaking the bottle everyday. Use two tablespoons per bath. Bath Salts 1 cup borax 1/2 cup sea salt 1/2 cup baking soda 50 drops essential oil, 1/2 tsp. Mix dry ingredients together and add essential oil, mixing well. Use 1/4 to 1/2 cup bath salts per bath. For muscular aches and pains, add 1/2 cup Epsom salts to this recipe. Here are some suggestions for essential oil combinations to be used in the above recipes Relaxing Blend: Neroli, Marjoram, Roman Chamomile & Lavender Stimulating Blend: Rosemary, Peppermint & Lime Balancing Blend: Lavender, Geranium & Orange Aphrodisiac Blend: Sandalwood, Ylang-lang & Jasmine > > > > I know I'm late on this conversation and it could very well be > over will by now, but I'm just now reading it. I fibd it to be > interesting because for like two weeks I had been wanting to ask > about some literature I found related to bleach and the skin. I > read that it was a very good way to detox the body of metal toxins. > Hmmm...sounds like us silicone people could use it. I haven't tried > it because of the open lesions on my skin. I'm not sure what the > who conversation was about, especially as it relates to babies, but > I will say that as a Labor & Delivery nurse I have delivered > hundreds of babies and I've never seen bleach in any delivery room > or Nursery...I've personally never brought the stuff anywhere near a > neonate! > > Anyway, what I've read is to take a tub/bath in hot water (as hot > as one can tolerate without scalding the skin) > > Add 1C of bleach > > stay in the tub until water has cooled off, then get out. No > shower x4 hours. > > I do know that 1cup of bleach in a huge tub of water isn't that > much. We tend to think of bleach being in the strength as it comes > out of the bottle. But in a diluted solution, it's very safe and > still very effective. Nonetheless, I'm not sure I would even use > that on a baby! > > > > So has anyone heard of or tried the bleach detox bath? I've done > the MgSO4 baths for years, not sure if they work for me as far as > the detox is concerned, but at least I feel like I'm doing > something... > > > > Christene > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Yes, I've heard of the ACV bath as well too. Forgive my ignorance, I obviously need to try harder to keep up....Why is chlorine a NO No? Christene > > > > I know I'm late on this conversation and it could very well be > over will by now, but I'm just now reading it. I fibd it to be > interesting because for like two weeks I had been wanting to ask > about some literature I found related to bleach and the skin. I > read that it was a very good way to detox the body of metal toxins. > Hmmm...sounds like us silicone people could use it. I haven't tried > it because of the open lesions on my skin. I'm not sure what the > who conversation was about, especially as it relates to babies, but > I will say that as a Labor & Delivery nurse I have delivered > hundreds of babies and I've never seen bleach in any delivery room > or Nursery...I've personally never brought the stuff anywhere near a > neonate! > > Anyway, what I've read is to take a tub/bath in hot water (as hot > as one can tolerate without scalding the skin) > > Add 1C of bleach > > stay in the tub until water has cooled off, then get out. No > shower x4 hours. > > I do know that 1cup of bleach in a huge tub of water isn't that > much. We tend to think of bleach being in the strength as it comes > out of the bottle. But in a diluted solution, it's very safe and > still very effective. Nonetheless, I'm not sure I would even use > that on a baby! > > > > So has anyone heard of or tried the bleach detox bath? I've done > the MgSO4 baths for years, not sure if they work for me as far as > the detox is concerned, but at least I feel like I'm doing > something... > > > > Christene > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Yep!!!!!!!!!!! Lynda At 12:43 PM 3/20/2006, you wrote: >OMG, I would NEVER put my babies in bleach. I just smiled and >walked right out of that office! We are using Hibiclens on our >spots and it works wonderful. It is a surgical scrub you can get >over the counter. You just gotta wonder where these Doctors get >their motives....and how they sleep at night?? >~julie > Re: Bleach/Chlorine > >, > >Can you ask that doc if he has any studies showing the >safety of using chlorine on babies? . . . > >Just their lungs, for God's sake! - let alone what >it's doing to their skin! > >Has he tried it on himself? > >I wonder if a dilute solution of hydrogen peroxide >wouldn't do the same thing, but much safer? I saw one >report that said that surfaces washed with hydrogen >peroxide stay bacteria free longer than when cleaned >with other products. > >Hugs, > >Rogene > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, >Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: ><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.co\ m/action/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 OMG, I would NEVER put my babies in bleach. I just smiled and walked right out of that office! We are using Hibiclens on our spots and it works wonderful. It is a surgical scrub you can get over the counter. You just gotta wonder where these Doctors get their motives....and how they sleep at night?? ~julie Re: Bleach/Chlorine ,Can you ask that doc if he has any studies showing thesafety of using chlorine on babies? . . . Just their lungs, for God's sake! - let alone whatit's doing to their skin!Has he tried it on himself?I wonder if a dilute solution of hydrogen peroxidewouldn't do the same thing, but much safer? I saw onereport that said that surfaces washed with hydrogenperoxide stay bacteria free longer than when cleanedwith other products.Hugs,Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Hi , Hmmm, I don't know. I never heard of anyone having this kind of response before, I wonder what you were reacting to? I guess you can only try and see what happens. Since it is simply removing the chlorine from the water, I can't imagine what would be causing a reaction, unless there is something also being left in the water. If you try and do have a rash flare up, would you let us know? Thanks ! Patty > > > > Thanks Sue. That is such good information about pre-washed > salads > > and chlorine. Last night I noticed that our tap water seems to > smell > > of chlorine. I was the one who was concerned about chlorine in a > > public swimming pool, but now I realize that it's in our regular > > water that we use for showers, baths and drinking anyway. does > > anyone else think they smell chlorine in their tap water and can > we > > do anything about it? > > Laurie > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: > http://.shutterfly.com/action/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 http://www.mercola.com/2001/jun/23/chlorine.htm The Dangers of Chlorine and Issues With Sucralose Most of us have grown up with the idea that whiter whites (and brighter colors) mean cleaner clothes. We continue to use chlorine products with abandon to whiten and to disinfect. We write on white paper and bathe in and drink chlorinated water. After all, who wants bacteria- infested water? In our society, chlorine is ubiquitous-and so are its side effects. In fact, the long-term residual effects from chlorine are becoming such a health hazard that the American Public Health Association is urging the American paper industry to stop using chlorine. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has found dioxin (a toxic byproduct of chlorine) to be 300,000 times more potent as a carcinogen than DDT Healthy & Natural speaks with Ashkin, director of product development and environmental affairs at Seventh Generation, a manufacturer of green, nontoxic cleaning products. Although he has a degree in chemistry, Ashkin gained most of his practical knowledge and experience through direct contact in the chemical industry. He literally grew up in the laboratory of his parent's cleaning products manufacturing company. Ashkin chaired the American Society for Testing and Materials' task force that wrote the national cleaning standard for commercial and institutional buildings. He has also chaired President Clinton's Green Chemistry Challenge Task Force. Ashkin is acting advisor for a number of EPA programs including the Indoor Environment Division. He has published numerous articles on environmentally preferable products and is a very popular conference speaker. Q: Does chlorine occur naturally? Typically chlorine does not normally occur in the environment except as a yellow gas on rare occasions. It's a manufactured substance produced through an industrial process. An electrical current is passed through salt water producing chlorine and caustic soda. Q: Is chlorine very toxic? This is where this topic gets very interesting. Many people argue that chlorine is basically safe-that it breaks down into harmless salt and water. Well, that's true-in a laboratory test tube under very controlled conditions. The real issue is not just how toxic chlorine itself is but how the unintended byproducts of chlorine (organochlorines and dioxins) remain in the environment. They are persistent in the environment; they do not break down readily and therefore bio-accumulate. Q: Is there a chlorine pollution problem? One of the largest uses of chlorine is in the paper industry. Chlorine is first used to break down the lignan that holds the wood fibers together. Then chlorine is used to bleach the paper to make it white. The effluent or wastewater containing dioxins and other organochlorines are then dumped into streams and waterways. These ingredients are highly toxic and carcinogenic. Once in the waste stream, they come into contact with other organic materials and surfactants and combine to form a host of extremely toxic organic chemicals. A chain of events occurs: The water becomes polluted; the fish become contaminated; animals eat the fish and people eat the contaminated animals and fish. This can create a very serious health problem; the dioxins and other toxic chemicals, when consumed, accumulate in the fatty tissues. These contaminants are also hormone disrupters because they mimic estrogen. The EPA has observed and documented hormonal imbalance, suppressed immune systems, reproductive infertility and alterations in fetal development of animals. In viewing the big picture, these factors are perhaps the most frightening results from the widespread use of chlorine. Q: How widespread is chlorine contamination? It is so widespread that it would be difficult to find any human being who does not have detectable levels of dioxin in his/her blood. While we know that chlorine is a substantial environmental problem caused by the paper industry, household bleach and cleaners containing chlorine also pose a serious health risk. For instance, in 1997, 217,989 calls to the Poison Control Center concerned household cleaners. Of those calls, 54,453 were about chlorine bleach and 7,570 were for chlorine disinfectants. So, that means that 28.4 percent of all calls were related to poisonings by chlorine products. What's even more important, most of those calls were about children under 6 years old. Q: What can happen if these chemicals get into our bodies? Our bodies are very good at metabolizing many things. Through special enzymes, our bodies are able to rid themselves of many environmental toxic substances that we come into contact with daily. However, dioxins (and other organochlorine compounds) aren't included. Even if we are exposed to very low levels, dioxins remain in the body and accumulate. The EPA is now saying that this is soon to become a major health risk problem. The cumulative effects of dioxin in humans have been linked to birth defects cancer reproductive disorders immune system breakdown Q: Should chlorine be used in our public water supply? The alternative question would be, should we drink contaminated water? The answer, of course, would be no. It's very important that our water is sanitized. Years ago, there were very few alternatives. However, today, while chlorine is a very effective (and cheap) sanitizer, many scientists are recognizing some serious side effects from chlorine. Today, our technology is getting to the point where, I hope, we will look into a better means of sanitizing our drinking water. This will not be easy because one of the biggest advantages (and ultimately the biggest disadvantage) of using chlorine is the fact that chlorine doesn't break down. Water can be treated with chlorine at the filtration plant and 10 miles away the chlorine is persistent enough to remain in the water and pipes when it reaches the home. There exist many other ingredients that are good sanitizers, but they break down quickly, and the water would become contaminated by the time it reaches someone's home. We may have a problem if we need to sanitize via a chemical additive. It becomes a sort of oxymoron: chemicals that are persistent also tend to be toxic. The ultimate solution may be to have home-based water filtration/sanitizing systems. This would eliminate the problem of trying to prevent hundreds of miles of pipes, installed a hundred years ago, from contaminating the water. Q: Are there safe, effective alternatives to chlorine as a bleaching agent and disinfectant? Absolutely! Primarily, hydrogen peroxide is available to the paper industry and to the soap industry as a bleaching agent. Another new technology uses ozone. Other non-chlorinated household cleaning products, readily available to the consumer, achieve the same bleaching and disinfecting results as chlorine but are nontoxic. I don't understand why anyone would want to use chlorine products anyway. Chlorine is a respiratory irritant and when mixed with other common household products, it gives off a toxic gas. Q: What can we do to make a difference? We could request and purchase processed chlorine-free paper, not just in writing paper but in paper towels, napkins, tissues, and toilet paper. It's a vote for our environment and our health. It may seem to be a small thing, but collectively it really can make a substantial difference. We need to realize that the technology in the chemical industry has changed as dramatically as in the computer industry. We no longer need to use harmful substances simply because they worked for our grandparents. The technology in the chemical industry is allowing us to replace many of these toxic ingredients with others that are not only nontoxic but have renewable resources and many environmental benefits. It's a major educational process for consumers to understand that they, through their buying choices, can make a difference. Did you know that only about 20 percent of shoppers buy their household products in natural food stores? What that says to me is that while consumers recognize the importance of buying supplements and organic foods, they don't recognize the same environmental and health benefits associated with buying chlorine-free paper and other nontoxic cleaners. --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Chlorine Facts Dioxin, a chemical byproduct of the manufacturing of chlorinebleached paper, is believed to be the single most carcinogenic chemical known to science. When you open the door of your dishwasher after washing, toxic volatized chlorine from dish detergent and tap water is released into the air. Thanks to chlorine pollution, Americans ingest a daily amount of dioxin that is already 300 to 600 times greater than the EPA's so- called " safe " dose. The US Environmental Protection Agency has found dioxin to be 300,000 times more potent as a carcinogen than DDT. Dioxin has been linked to endometriosis, immune system impairment, diabetes, neurotoxicity, birth defects, decreased fertility, and reproductive dysfunction in both women and men. Studies show that 40-70 percent of the dioxin in bleached coffee filters can leach into your coffee; dioxin found in paper milk cartons also leaches into the milk you drink. Cancer-causing chemicals like chlorine found in many household products such as coffee filters, disposable diapers, paper towels, and bathroom tissue are readily absorbed through the skin. The Light Party --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Dr. Mercola's Comment: Sucralose, the supposed " safe " replacement for Nutrasweet, is starting to receive much press recently as it is being promoted more and more. I was just interviewed by CBS for a piece that they will be publishing on their website very shortly. It is important to recognize that Sucralose is basically chlorinated table sugar and as such, may have many of the risks of chlorine discussed above. In addition, it is contributing to environmental chlorine pollution as well. It is important to recognize that Sucralose is not the safe chemical it is being promoted as. I would advise caution as many have started to report adverse reactions to it. The other issue with chlorine is of course its more common use as a water disinfectant, which is one of the main reasons why most of us need to use water filters of some sort. With summer upon us one must not neglect the use in swimming pools. Because the exposure is generally longer, this is a much more serious issue for those who swim regularly, than drinking tap water. If you have a pool it is important to know that there are chlorine alternatives such as hydrogen peroxide (Baquacil) and ozone that can be used, are not toxic and more pleasant to use. Related Articles: The Potential Dangers of Sucralose Is Tap Water Safe? Chlorinated Water Can Affect Cancer Risk Americans Don't Drink Enough Water > > > > > > I know I'm late on this conversation and it could very well be > > over will by now, but I'm just now reading it. I fibd it to be > > interesting because for like two weeks I had been wanting to ask > > about some literature I found related to bleach and the skin. I > > read that it was a very good way to detox the body of metal > toxins. > > Hmmm...sounds like us silicone people could use it. I haven't > tried > > it because of the open lesions on my skin. I'm not sure what the > > who conversation was about, especially as it relates to babies, but > > I will say that as a Labor & Delivery nurse I have delivered > > hundreds of babies and I've never seen bleach in any delivery room > > or Nursery...I've personally never brought the stuff anywhere near > a > > neonate! > > > Anyway, what I've read is to take a tub/bath in hot water (as hot > > as one can tolerate without scalding the skin) > > > Add 1C of bleach > > > stay in the tub until water has cooled off, then get out. No > > shower x4 hours. > > > I do know that 1cup of bleach in a huge tub of water isn't that > > much. We tend to think of bleach being in the strength as it comes > > out of the bottle. But in a diluted solution, it's very safe and > > still very effective. Nonetheless, I'm not sure I would even use > > that on a baby! > > > > > > So has anyone heard of or tried the bleach detox bath? I've done > > the MgSO4 baths for years, not sure if they work for me as far as > > the detox is concerned, but at least I feel like I'm doing > > something... > > > > > > Christene > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 , I'm wondering if the rash after using the Crystal ball had anything to do with your implants and it trying to pull those toxins out of you? Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Rogene, Your right, I am beginning to think any "weird" thing may have something to do with those dumb things. LRogene S <saxony01@...> wrote: ,I'm wondering if the rash after using the Crystal ballhad anything to do with your implants and it trying topull those toxins out of you?Rogene Relax. virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Patty, thanks for the link to the website with the crystal ball, but it didn't come through on my computer. Can you please send the link to me again? thanks a lot. laurie On Mar 20, 2006, at 2:07 PM, glory2glory1401 wrote: > Hi , > Hmmm, I don't know. I never heard of anyone having this kind of > response before, I wonder what you were reacting to? > > I guess you can only try and see what happens. Since it is simply > removing the chlorine from the water, I can't imagine what would be > causing a reaction, unless there is something also being left in the > water. > > If you try and do have a rash flare up, would you let us know? > Thanks ! > Patty > >>> >>> Thanks Sue. That is such good information about pre-washed >> salads >>> and chlorine. Last night I noticed that our tap water seems to >> smell >>> of chlorine. I was the one who was concerned about chlorine in > a >>> public swimming pool, but now I realize that it's in our > regular >>> water that we use for showers, baths and drinking anyway. does >>> anyone else think they smell chlorine in their tap water and can >> we >>> do anything about it? >>> Laurie >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given > by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or > licensed health care professional before commencing any medical > treatment. >> >> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, > Chemistry; 1963, Peace) >> >> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: >> http://.shutterfly.com/action/ >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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