Re: Re: Platinum... Another Question...

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Hey you guys, this always seems to address silicone gel implants...are there women and babies sick from just the saline/silicone implants as well? Are there platinum levels in saline implants? Or don't we know for sure? And, are there tests that I can ask my PCP for to find out in our particular case? Will just a CBC show anything...does that include a ANA or do I ask for that? What else should I ask for? I am going to begin building my case, beginning with a complete physical at my PCP office...and will probably be poo-pooed. I guess I am ready for that. Also have any of you heard of or know of anyone who has dealt with MRSA?

thanks,

~julie

Re: Re: Platinum may leak from breast implants

Patty,More like AAARRRRGGHHHHH!LyndaAt 09:05 AM 3/18/2006, you wrote:>Why are the medical researchers in our government ignoring this????>AAAHHH!!!>>> >> > "The children that we tested that I have seen have all> > suffered from hearing and eye problems"> > -----------------------------------> >> > Last update: August 27, 2004 at 7:06 AM> > Platinum may leak from breast implants> >> > > <http://www.startribune.com/stories/1556/4950348.html>http://www.startribune.com/stories/1556/4950348.html >> >> > Greg Gordon, Star Tribune Washington Bureau> > Correspondent> > August 27, 2004 IMPLANT0827> > WASHINGTON, D.C. -- New research presented Thursday> > could lend credence to allegations that silicone gel> > breast implants have leaked toxic forms of platinum> > into the bodies of women and then reached their> > breast-fed children.> >> > The reactive platinum, unlike other inert platinum in> > the body, can cause various forms of neurological> > damage and asthma-like allergic reactions, said Ernest> > Lykissa, a Houston clinical toxicologist who> > co-authored the paper.> >> > Maharaj, a chemist at American University,> > detailed the findings to an American Chemical Society> > meeting in Philadelphia.> >> > Lykissa, who four years ago disclosed some of his> > preliminary research to the Star Tribune, said the> > paper presented Thursday reported sharply higher> > levels of reactive platinum in the blood and urine of> > 10 women who had implants than in five control> > subjects. While the sample size is small, he said in a> > phone interview, the results reflect those in similar> > tests he has since performed on hundreds of> > women.> >> > Lykissa said that his research also has been confirmed> > by a group of German scientists and that it offers an> > explanation for many of the illnesses alleged by> > hundreds of thousands of women who received silicone> > gel implants.> >> > Kathleen Quinn, a spokeswoman for the Food and Drug> > Administration (FDA), said the agency "is not able to> > comment ... at this time" on the paper. The FDA> > declined last winter to lift a 12-year-old moratorium> > and allow Santa Barbara, Calif.-based INAMED Corp. to> > put silicone breast implants back on the U.S. market.> > INAMED grew from a former subsidiary of> > Maplewood-based 3M, which got out of the breast> > implant business in 1984 and has paid more than $1> > billion to settle suits over its products.> >> > Dan Cohen, INAMED's vice president for global> > government affairs, said he would not "dismiss [the> > new study] until I've had the chance to have our> > scientists review it."> >> > But, he said, the company has seen "no peer-reviewed,> > credible data that would support Mr. Lykissa's claim."> >> > Cohen said the FDA's letter rejecting INAMED's> > petition to fully market its silicone breast implants> > included "no discussion of theplatinum issue."> >> > A catalyst> >> > INAMED and the California-based Mentor Corp. continue> > to sell silicone gel implants for use in> > reconstructive surgery for breast cancer victims or> > for women volunteering for clinical studies.> >> > Silicone implant makers have used platinum for decades> > to produce a catalyst. The catalyst causes silicone> > oil to thicken into a gel.> >> > At issue is whether platinum left over from those> > reactions is inert or reactive and whether it leaks> > into women's bloodstreams if the implants rupture.> > Some government scientists have expressed concern> > that not all of the platinum from the manufacturing> > process would be neutralized.> >> > Lykissa said reactive platinum "is notorious for> > attacking nerve endings and interfering with the nerve> > impulses to the brain." Women he has examined, he> > said, suffer from pain in their fingers and toes,> > have ticks in their eyes, memory lapses and> > equilibrium or eyesight imbalances.> >> >> > "The children that we tested that I have seen have all> > suffered from hearing and eye problems" after being> > breast fed. "There were platinums detected in the> > breast milk of those mothers,' " Lykissa> > said.> >> > Greg Gordon is at ggordon@...> >>>>>>>>>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.>>"Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a >better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, >Chemistry; 1963, Peace)>>See our photos website! Enter "implants" for access at this link:><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.com/action/>>

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, Building your case with testing may be a good idea, however, it could also be discouraging. I went through the ringer with all the tests. Blood tests, x-rays, MRI's, EKG, to name a few. Everything show either inconclusive or "within normal ranges." Even when my symptoms were at their worst, the tests showed normal. One neurologist even said "The only doctor you need to see is a psychiatrist, because there is nothing wrong with you." I was sooo discouraged. I finally found this site, which supported the idea it was my implants making me sick. I decided since we tried everything else, I was going to have to remove the implants. (Like it or not). I was going to have to let my improvement be the test. I hope you find the answers you are hoping for. L jdebolt@...

wrote: Hey you guys, this always seems to address silicone gel implants...are there women and babies sick from just the saline/silicone implants as well? Are there platinum levels in saline implants? Or don't we know for sure? And, are there tests that I can ask my PCP for to find out in our particular case? Will just a CBC show anything...does that include a ANA or do I ask for that? What else should I ask for? I am going to begin building my case, beginning with a complete physical at my PCP office...and will probably be poo-pooed. I guess I am ready for that. Also have any of you heard of or know of anyone who has dealt with MRSA? thanks, ~julie Re: Re: Platinum may leak from breast implants Patty,More like AAARRRRGGHHHHH!LyndaAt 09:05 AM 3/18/2006, you wrote:>Why are the medical researchers in our government ignoring this????>AAAHHH!!!>>> >> > "The children that we tested that I have seen have all> > suffered from hearing and eye problems"> > -----------------------------------> >> > Last update: August 27, 2004 at 7:06 AM> > Platinum may leak from breast implants> >> > > <http://www.startribune.com/stories/1556/4950348.html>http://www.startribune.com/stories/1556/4950348.html >> >> > Greg Gordon, Star Tribune Washington Bureau> > Correspondent> > August 27, 2004 IMPLANT0827> > WASHINGTON, D.C. -- New research presented Thursday> > could lend credence to allegations that silicone gel> > breast

implants have leaked toxic forms of platinum> > into the bodies of women and then reached their> > breast-fed children.> >> > The reactive platinum, unlike other inert platinum in> > the body, can cause various forms of neurological> > damage and asthma-like allergic reactions, said Ernest> > Lykissa, a Houston clinical toxicologist who> > co-authored the paper.> >> > Maharaj, a chemist at American University,> > detailed the findings to an American Chemical Society> > meeting in Philadelphia.> >> > Lykissa, who four years ago disclosed some of his> > preliminary research to the Star Tribune, said the> > paper presented Thursday reported sharply higher> > levels of reactive platinum in the blood and urine of> > 10 women who had implants than in five control> > subjects. While the sample

size is small, he said in a> > phone interview, the results reflect those in similar> > tests he has since performed on hundreds of> > women.> >> > Lykissa said that his research also has been confirmed> > by a group of German scientists and that it offers an> > explanation for many of the illnesses alleged by> > hundreds of thousands of women who received silicone> > gel implants.> >> > Kathleen Quinn, a spokeswoman for the Food and Drug> > Administration (FDA), said the agency "is not able to> > comment ... at this time" on the paper. The FDA> > declined last winter to lift a 12-year-old moratorium> > and allow Santa Barbara, Calif.-based INAMED Corp. to> > put silicone breast implants back on the U.S. market.> > INAMED grew from a former subsidiary of> > Maplewood-based 3M, which got out of the

breast> > implant business in 1984 and has paid more than $1> > billion to settle suits over its products.> >> > Dan Cohen, INAMED's vice president for global> > government affairs, said he would not "dismiss [the> > new study] until I've had the chance to have our> > scientists review it."> >> > But, he said, the company has seen "no peer-reviewed,> > credible data that would support Mr. Lykissa's claim."> >> > Cohen said the FDA's letter rejecting INAMED's> > petition to fully market its silicone breast implants> > included "no discussion of theplatinum issue."> >> > A catalyst> >> > INAMED and the California-based Mentor Corp. continue> > to sell silicone gel implants for use in> > reconstructive surgery for breast cancer victims or> > for women volunteering for clinical

studies.> >> > Silicone implant makers have used platinum for decades> > to produce a catalyst. The catalyst causes silicone> > oil to thicken into a gel.> >> > At issue is whether platinum left over from those> > reactions is inert or reactive and whether it leaks> > into women's bloodstreams if the implants rupture.> > Some government scientists have expressed concern> > that not all of the platinum from the manufacturing> > process would be neutralized.> >> > Lykissa said reactive platinum "is notorious for> > attacking nerve endings and interfering with the nerve> > impulses to the brain." Women he has examined, he> > said, suffer from pain in their fingers and toes,> > have ticks in their eyes, memory lapses and> > equilibrium or eyesight imbalances.> >> >> > "The

children that we tested that I have seen have all> > suffered from hearing and eye problems" after being> > breast fed. "There were platinums detected in the> > breast milk of those mothers,' " Lykissa> > said.> >> > Greg Gordon is at ggordon@...> >>>>>>>>>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.>>"Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a >better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, >Chemistry; 1963, Peace)>>See our photos website! Enter "implants" for access

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Patty started this group because she felt that women

sick from saline breast implants needed a support

group dedicated to helping women regain their health

through natural means.

Since starting it, quite a number of gel implanted

women have come onboard . . . I'm one of them. . .

Our problems are somewhat different - especially if

there was an extracapsular rupture or spill, or if

silicone gel has migrated throughout the body. Saline

implanted women are more likely to experience toxic

shock. However, for the most part, getting them

removed and getting better is pretty much the same.

And yes, both types of implants harm the offspring. .

.. Here again, probably for different reasons. . . the

migration of platinum or tin is one possiblity . . .

antibodies to silicone . . . fungal or staf organisms

.. . . Until they start doing some studies on the women

and children ALREADY sick, they won't know . . . After

fourty years on the market, one would have to believe

that's because they really DON'T want to know!

There are a few doctors who understand our issues.

However, they're under a great deal of pressure to

keep their mouths shut! - Some doctors have died

suspicious deaths after speaking out for us. So I

guess you could say it's understandable!

Hugs,

Rogene