Message from Cindy re: suicide and breast implants

[Guest guest]

From: " sey " fuchsmorrissey@...

CC: Fuchssey@...

Subject: a reply to ~ RE: REUTERS: Breast implants

again linked to suicide risk

Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:38:34 +0000

(Ilena, you may post this if you want. Maybe others

may benefit to better understand why some breast

implant women make choices to commit suicide from

reading my words below. We ALL have our reasons for

why we may make these kinds of choices because of what

we have personally experienced. /CFM)

Ilena, you are very correct. I believe these studies

are off base & did not take into account alot of what

IS really happening with breast implant suicide.

Their data is only there for the purpose of those who

want to continue the medical snafu on breast

implants...yes, there is a problem with suicide &

breast implants, but their reasoning is off....you are

correct. The problem IS loss, injury, illness and

MASSIVE/EXTREME frustration. I know as I like so many

others are on this path.

I know when PJ Brent and I talked I told her I was

going to kill then take my own life. Yes, I was

depressed, very, VERY depressed. PJ knew this. She

really is the one who talked me out of doing what I

was wanting to do...she saved my life, but lost her

own.

My depression did stem because I had told the truth

all along and my voice was NOT being heard in what I

had to say about loss, injury, illness and extreme

frustration in what I had experienced with breast

implants from 1976 on....

I found it odd that those in medicine who had all the

medical degrees & high/higher education were (what I

personally considered) the most wisdomless humans on

the face of the earth & FAILED to really listen to

their patient.

How could those who had all the medical degrees and

higher education be this way? Be so wisdomless as they

failed to uphold their oath of First, do no harm?

This was depressing to me (also besides loss, injury,

illness and frustration) to witness medical wisdomless

at their own free will... these actions from the

medical community as well as the loss of my health or

the loss of the health of my children, and the massive

frustrations of just dealing with all of this breast

implant snafu which on some days, MANY days is really

too much to take.

The depression was not just about my own health but

about what I was personally observing in my kids, like

with what I was observing in or how all this

effected my husband too. The loss, injury, illness and

frustrations were huge...and somedays just to get our

of life sounded good... still sounds good on my bad

days.

PJ Brent felt the same way because our voices were

not being heard about our children let alone what WE

ourselves were experiencing with losses, injuries,

illness and massive frustrations in all aspects of

what we experienced with breast implants.

With breast implant suicide IF the breast implant

patients VOICE IS NOT HEARD, time and time again by

those who are 'supposed to have all of the education

and medical degrees to uphold their oath of First, do

NO harm', then it is extremely easy for the breast

implant patient to slip into depression because of

loss, injury, illness and massive frustrations of NOT

being truly acknowledged/ helped in some way and NOT

having your voice heard when you are telling the

truth....

....over time....a deep depression /possible

suicide/many thoughts of killing one's self (or in my

case killing my sick child then myself) may follow

when their voice, (the breast implant patients voice)

is NOT HEARD...and the truth of what that breast

implant patient is telling the good doctor IS the

truth of what hell they are REALLY living/really

experiencing from the chemical adjuvancy of a breast

implant lot number which is damning to one's life who

is in real need for medical compassion, medical

direction, to be placed on that path of sound medicine

to gain back some quality of life....Nothing worse in

life when your voice falls upon deaf ears & you are

really in need of some help.

Personally, I think there are more in the medical

community with psychiatric behavior because they are

in denial like a drinker and they are NOT really

noting they have a REAL problem on their hands THAT

THEY CREATED with breast implant exposure. Like a

drinker they don't want to make that choice to take

responsibility for their own bad choices of NOT

listening to their patient & what truth that patient is

trying to communicate to them. It is just easier to

dismiss things & go on with business as usual.

Still everyday I think about suicide...and EVERYDAY I

think about PJ Brent and the loss there too. But she

took the time to talk me out of what choice I was

going to do in 2000. Somedays, I wish I were where she

is because at least she does not have to face this

medical snafu anymore with what she suffered with

(loss, injury, illness, frustration) or with what her

children have had to deal with concerning LOSS,

INJURY, ILLNESS, FRUSTRATION in THEIR YOUTH...like my

own offspring.

By the way, I had a mastectomy in 1993 at the age of

35...so why don't I have low self-esteem from NOT

having breasts? My chest wall is a massive war zone

to look at. Not having breasts does not bother me & I

truly do NOT care what others think of my very flat

chest wall...

But I can tell everyone, I had horrible low

self-esteem lugging those rocks (called McGhan/3M

silicone gel breast implants) around for years...along

with dealing with loss, illness, injury, and

MASSIVE/EXTREME frustration with the breast implant

experience... My life was great before implants!

Well, so much for studies on breast implant

suicide...their data is flawed on why breast implant

women may be linked to suicide risk. Again, those in

medicine/science and research can make their study

fall they way they want no matter if it is the truth

or not. There is more to the story on breast implants

linked to suicide risk..and MY voice is just one of

many who are walking down the same path of what they

experience.

No, nobody needs to agree with me, but this is really

what I believe from what I have experienced. I only

say this/write this from what I have expereinced as a

past 1976 teenage breast implant patient through now,

April 14, 2006.

Thanks Ilena, for the e-mail below. I just wanted you

to know you are on target.

Take care, Fuchs-sey

[Guest guest]

-

Dear

My heart goes out to you. And to your daughter. I know that you

have been through so much and I definitely do understand how you

feel about your voice not being heard. I am so glad that you are

still here, being a mom to hilary and getting your voice heard. I

hope and pray that you will someday soon experience relief from the

constant depression and suicidal thoughts. I really wish that there

was something I could do that would in someway help you or your

family. how is doing? Were you able to find some relief for

her esophageal problems? You are in my prayers.

Love, Kathy

-- In , Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:

>

> From: " sey " fuchsmorrissey@...

>

> CC: Fuchssey@...

> Subject: a reply to ~ RE: REUTERS: Breast implants

> again linked to suicide risk

> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:38:34 +0000

>

>

>

> (Ilena, you may post this if you want. Maybe others

> may benefit to better understand why some breast

> implant women make choices to commit suicide from

> reading my words below. We ALL have our reasons for

> why we may make these kinds of choices because of what

> we have personally experienced. /CFM)

>

> Ilena, you are very correct. I believe these studies

> are off base & did not take into account alot of what

> IS really happening with breast implant suicide.

>

> Their data is only there for the purpose of those who

> want to continue the medical snafu on breast

> implants...yes, there is a problem with suicide &

> breast implants, but their reasoning is off....you are

> correct. The problem IS loss, injury, illness and

> MASSIVE/EXTREME frustration. I know as I like so many

> others are on this path.

>

> I know when PJ Brent and I talked I told her I was

> going to kill then take my own life. Yes, I was

> depressed, very, VERY depressed. PJ knew this. She

> really is the one who talked me out of doing what I

> was wanting to do...she saved my life, but lost her

> own.

>

> My depression did stem because I had told the truth

> all along and my voice was NOT being heard in what I

> had to say about loss, injury, illness and extreme

> frustration in what I had experienced with breast

> implants from 1976 on....

>

> I found it odd that those in medicine who had all the

> medical degrees & high/higher education were (what I

> personally considered) the most wisdomless humans on

> the face of the earth & FAILED to really listen to

> their patient.

>

> How could those who had all the medical degrees and

> higher education be this way? Be so wisdomless as they

> failed to uphold their oath of First, do no harm?

> This was depressing to me (also besides loss, injury,

> illness and frustration) to witness medical wisdomless

> at their own free will... these actions from the

> medical community as well as the loss of my health or

> the loss of the health of my children, and the massive

> frustrations of just dealing with all of this breast

> implant snafu which on some days, MANY days is really

> too much to take.

>

> The depression was not just about my own health but

> about what I was personally observing in my kids, like

> with what I was observing in or how all this

> effected my husband too. The loss, injury, illness and

> frustrations were huge...and somedays just to get our

> of life sounded good... still sounds good on my bad

> days.

>

> PJ Brent felt the same way because our voices were

> not being heard about our children let alone what WE

> ourselves were experiencing with losses, injuries,

> illness and massive frustrations in all aspects of

> what we experienced with breast implants.

>

> With breast implant suicide IF the breast implant

> patients VOICE IS NOT HEARD, time and time again by

> those who are 'supposed to have all of the education

> and medical degrees to uphold their oath of First, do

> NO harm', then it is extremely easy for the breast

> implant patient to slip into depression because of

> loss, injury, illness and massive frustrations of NOT

> being truly acknowledged/ helped in some way and NOT

> having your voice heard when you are telling the

> truth....

>

>

> ...over time....a deep depression /possible

> suicide/many thoughts of killing one's self (or in my

> case killing my sick child then myself) may follow

> when their voice, (the breast implant patients voice)

> is NOT HEARD...and the truth of what that breast

> implant patient is telling the good doctor IS the

> truth of what hell they are REALLY living/really

> experiencing from the chemical adjuvancy of a breast

> implant lot number which is damning to one's life who

> is in real need for medical compassion, medical

> direction, to be placed on that path of sound medicine

> to gain back some quality of life....Nothing worse in

> life when your voice falls upon deaf ears & you are

> really in need of some help.

>

>

> Personally, I think there are more in the medical

> community with psychiatric behavior because they are

> in denial like a drinker and they are NOT really

> noting they have a REAL problem on their hands THAT

> THEY CREATED with breast implant exposure. Like a

> drinker they don't want to make that choice to take

> responsibility for their own bad choices of NOT

> listening to their patient & what truth that patient is

> trying to communicate to them. It is just easier to

> dismiss things & go on with business as usual.

>

> Still everyday I think about suicide...and EVERYDAY I

> think about PJ Brent and the loss there too. But she

> took the time to talk me out of what choice I was

> going to do in 2000. Somedays, I wish I were where she

> is because at least she does not have to face this

> medical snafu anymore with what she suffered with

> (loss, injury, illness, frustration) or with what her

> children have had to deal with concerning LOSS,

> INJURY, ILLNESS, FRUSTRATION in THEIR YOUTH...like my

> own offspring.

>

> By the way, I had a mastectomy in 1993 at the age of

> 35...so why don't I have low self-esteem from NOT

> having breasts? My chest wall is a massive war zone

> to look at. Not having breasts does not bother me & I

> truly do NOT care what others think of my very flat

> chest wall...

>

> But I can tell everyone, I had horrible low

> self-esteem lugging those rocks (called McGhan/3M

> silicone gel breast implants) around for years...along

> with dealing with loss, illness, injury, and

> MASSIVE/EXTREME frustration with the breast implant

> experience... My life was great before implants!

>

> Well, so much for studies on breast implant

> suicide...their data is flawed on why breast implant

> women may be linked to suicide risk. Again, those in

> medicine/science and research can make their study

> fall they way they want no matter if it is the truth

> or not. There is more to the story on breast implants

> linked to suicide risk..and MY voice is just one of

> many who are walking down the same path of what they

> experience.

>

> No, nobody needs to agree with me, but this is really

> what I believe from what I have experienced. I only

> say this/write this from what I have expereinced as a

> past 1976 teenage breast implant patient through now,

> April 14, 2006.

>

> Thanks Ilena, for the e-mail below. I just wanted you

> to know you are on target.

>

> Take care, Fuchs-sey

>

[Guest guest]

--- CINDY FUCHS-MORRISSEY <cfuchsmorrissey@...>

wrote:

> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:16:08 -0700 (PDT)

> From: CINDY FUCHS-MORRISSEY

> <cfuchsmorrissey@...>

> Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Message from

> re: suicide and breast implants

> Rogene S <saxony01@...>

>

> Hi Kathy, Thank you for your e-mail. I am still

> making the choice to fight about the breast implant

> issue...so do not worry.

>

> I just felt I needed to say something when I saw

> that so-called tail covering study come through

> about suicide and breast implants because THERE IS

> MORE to the story about why there is suicide with

> breast implant exposure ...and the study totally

> failed to point it out. I guess I did not appreciate

> this by the researchers who did this tail covering

> study filled with their " medical words of art " to

> cover up more. All this study was proving to me is

> that these types of reserchers will do ANYTHING to

> get silicone gel breast implants FDA approved...the

> sad deal here is when the FDA does approve any type

> of silicone gel breast implant they will be making a

> complete mockery of themselves and the entire

> medical community...but this is all about 'choices',

> not about upholding medicine/science and research to

> that highest of high standard of First, do no harm

> with a so-called medical device that IS very capable

> of exerting/inducing/enhancing/ " turning on " the

> human immune

> response...It was my " choice " to say something

> about suicide and breast implants seeing I am still

> here on this earth and do have a voice to speak

> with, unlike our beloved PJ Brent...which PJ would

> have been happy I spoke out and e-mailed something

> concerning this.

>

>

> I am sure many breast implant women and/or breast

> implant mothers with children who have taken " hits "

> from the chemical adjuvancy of their breast implant

> LOT numbers understand fully in what I had to say

> about suicide and breast implants in my e-mail

> below...

>

> I am sure many understand what I may feel because

> we ALL are in the same boat & may have these

> thoughts...so for me, it is some comfort to know I

> am not alone OR I keep thinking that others who have

> opted for breast implants and who have the thoughts

> of killing themselves or follow through with this

> task in taking their own life may have does this act

> from the massive feelings of loss, injury caused of

> the implants, the illnesses/syndromes exerted from

> these toxic devices along with the great frustration

> WHICH does include the added hell of the offspring

> as well.

>

> EVEN THOUGH the offspring are placed on the back

> burner with breast implant exposure...maybe then day

> when a mother kills herself and takes her sick child

> with her someone in the medical community will wake

> up about the feelings of massive loss, injury,

> illness and frustrations in which breast implant

> exposed women AND MOTHERS are forced to face... or

> maybe not see the truth... because see what the

> crapola the so-called medical researchers put out

> about suicide and breast implants to date....

>

> The problem IS those researchers who do these

> studies on suicide and breast implants are again

> covering their own tail with their " words of art " ,

> placing blame on some crazy breast implant patient

> when they are totally off base with their theory of

> WHY there is suidice and breast implants...HEY, when

> someone has had enough hell in their life with the

> EXPOSURE TO BREAST IMPLANTS sometimes to " bail out "

> sounds pretty damn good ~

>

> Take care,

>

> Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:

>

>

> --- mikat828 wrote:

>

> >

> > From: " mikat828 "

> > Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 23:43:50 -0000

> > Subject: Re: Message from

> re:

> > suicide and breast implants

> >

> > -

> >

> >

> > Dear

> > My heart goes out to you. And to your daughter. I

> > know that you

> > have been through so much and I definitely do

> > understand how you

> > feel about your voice not being heard. I am so

> glad

> > that you are

> > still here, being a mom to hilary and getting your

> > voice heard. I

> > hope and pray that you will someday soon

> experience

> > relief from the

> > constant depression and suicidal thoughts. I

> really

> > wish that there

> > was something I could do that would in someway

> help

> > you or your

> > family. how is doing? Were you able to find

> > some relief for

> > her esophageal problems? You are in my prayers.

> > Love, Kathy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -- In , Rogene S

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > From: " sey " fuchsmorrissey@...

> > >

> > > CC: Fuchssey@...

> > > Subject: a reply to ~ RE: REUTERS: Breast

> implants

> > > again linked to suicide risk

> > > Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:38:34 +0000

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > (Ilena, you may post this if you want. Maybe

> > others

> > > may benefit to better understand why some breast

> > > implant women make choices to commit suicide

> from

> > > reading my words below. We ALL have our reasons

> > for

> > > why we may make these kinds of choices because

> of

> > what

> > > we have personally experienced. /CFM)

> > >

> > > Ilena, you are very correct. I believe these

> > studies

> > > are off base & did not take into account alot of

> > what

> > > IS really happening with breast implant suicide.

>

> > >

> > > Their data is only there for the purpose of

> those

> > who

> > > want to continue the medical snafu on breast

> > > implants...yes, there is a problem with suicide

> &

> > > breast implants, but their reasoning is

> off....you

> > are

> > > correct. The problem IS loss, injury, illness

> and

> > > MASSIVE/EXTREME frustration. I know as I like so

> > many

> > > others are on this path.

> > >

> > > I know when PJ Brent and I talked I told her I

> was

> > > going to kill then take my own life. Yes,

> I

> > was

> > > depressed, very, VERY depressed. PJ knew this.

> > She

> > > really is the one who talked me out of doing

> what

> > I

> > > was wanting to do...she saved my life, but lost

> > her

> > > own.

> > >

> > > My depression did stem because I had told the

> > truth

> > > all along and my voice was NOT being heard in

> what

> > I

> > > had to say about loss, injury, illness and

> extreme

> > > frustration in what I had experienced with

> breast

> > > implants from 1976 on....

> > >

> > > I found it odd that those in medicine who had

> all

> > the

> > > medical degrees & high/higher education were

> (what

> > I

> > > personally considered) the most wisdomless

> humans

> > on

> > > the face of the earth & FAILED to really listen

> to

> > > their patient.

> > >

> > > How could those who had all the medical degrees

> > and

> > > higher education be this way? Be so wisdomless

> as

> > they

> > > failed to uphold their oath of First, do no

> harm?

> > > This was depressing to me (also besides loss,

> > injury,

> > > illness and frustration) to witness medical

> > wisdomless

> > > at their own free will... these actions from the

> > > medical community as well as the loss of my

> health

> > or

> > > the loss of the health of my children, and the

> > massive

> > > frustrations of just dealing with all of this

> > breast

> > > implant snafu which on some days, MANY days is

> > really

> > > too much to take.

> > >

> > > The depression was not just about my own health

> > but

> > > about what I was personally observing in my

> kids,

> > like

> > > with what I was observing in or how all

> > this

> > > effected my husband too. The loss, injury,

> illness

> > and

> > > frustrations were huge...and somedays just to

> get

> > our

> > > of life sounded good... still sounds good on my

> > bad

> > > days.

> > >

> > > PJ Brent felt the same way because our voices

> > were

> > > not being heard about our children let alone

> what

> > WE

> > > ourselves were experiencing with losses,

> injuries,

> > > illness and massive frustrations in all aspects

> of

> > > what we experienced with breast implants.

> > >

> > > With breast implant suicide IF the breast

> implant

> > > patients VOICE IS NOT HEARD, time and time again

> > by

> > > those who are 'supposed to have all of the

> > education

> > > and medical degrees to uphold their oath of

> First,

> > do

> > > NO harm', then it is extremely easy for the

> > breast

> > > implant patient to slip into depression because

> of

> > > loss, injury, illness and massive frustrations

> of

> > NOT

> > > being truly acknowledged/ helped in some way and

> > NOT

> > > having your voice heard when you are telling the

> > > truth....

> > >

> > >

> > > ...over time....a deep depression /possible

> > > suicide/many thoughts of killing one's self (or

> in

> > my

> > > case killing my sick child then myself) may

> follow

> > > when their voice, (the breast implant patients

> > voice)

> > > is NOT HEARD...and the truth of what that breast

> > > implant patient is telling the good doctor IS

> the

> > > truth of what hell they are REALLY living/really

> > > experiencing from the chemical adjuvancy of a

> > breast

> > > implant lot number which is damning to one's

> life

> > who

> > > is in real need for medical compassion, medical

> > > direction, to be placed on that path of sound

> > medicine

> > > to gain back some quality of life....Nothing

> worse

> > in

> > > life when your voice falls upon deaf ears & you

> > are

> > > really in need of some help.

> > >

> > >

> > > Personally, I think there are more in the

> medical

> > > community with psychiatric behavior because they

> > are

> > > in denial like a drinker and they are NOT really

> > > noting they have a REAL problem on their hands

> > THAT

> > > THEY CREATED with breast implant exposure. Like

> a

> > > drinker they don't want to make that choice to

> > take

> > > responsibility for their own bad choices of NOT

> > > listening to their patient & what truth that

> > patient is

> > > trying to communicate to them. It is just easier

> > to

> > > dismiss things & go on with business as usual.

> > >

> > > Still everyday I think about suicide...and

> > EVERYDAY I

> > > think about PJ Brent and the loss there too. But

> > she

> > > took the time to talk me out of what choice I

> was

> > > going to do in 2000. Somedays, I wish I were

> where

> > she

> > > is because at least she does not have to face

> this

> > > medical snafu anymore with what she suffered

> with

> > > (loss, injury, illness, frustration) or with

> what

> > her

> > > children have had to deal with concerning LOSS,

> > > INJURY, ILLNESS, FRUSTRATION in THEIR

> YOUTH...like

> > my

> > > own offspring.

> > >

> > > By the way, I had a mastectomy in 1993 at the

> age

> > of

> > > 35...so why don't I have low self-esteem from

> NOT

> > > having breasts? My chest wall is a massive war

> > zone

> > > to look at. Not having breasts does not bother

> me

> > & I

> > > truly do NOT care what others think of my very

> > flat

> > > chest wall...

> > >

> > > But I can tell everyone, I had horrible low

> > > self-esteem lugging those rocks (called

> McGhan/3M

> > > silicone gel breast implants) around for

> > years...along

> > > with dealing with loss, illness, injury, and

> > > MASSIVE/EXTREME frustration with the breast

> > implant

> > > experience... My life was great before implants!

>

> > >

> > > Well, so much for studies on breast implant

> > > suicide...their data is flawed on why breast

> > implant

> > > women may be linked to suicide risk. Again,

> those

> > in

> > > medicine/science and research can make their

> study

> > > fall they way they want no matter if it is the

> > truth

> > > or not. There is more to the story on breast

> > implants

> > > linked to suicide risk..and MY voice is just one

> > of

> > > many who are walking down the same path of what

> > they

> > > experience.

> > >

> > > No, nobody needs to agree with me, but this is

> > really

> > > what I believe from what I have experienced. I

> > only

> > > say this/write this from what I have expereinced

> > as a

> > > past 1976 teenage breast implant patient through

> > now,

> > > April 14, 2006.

> > >

> > > Thanks Ilena, for the e-mail below. I just

> wanted

> > you

> > > to know you are on target.

> > >

> > > Take care, Fuchs-sey

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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