Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Cherie....Yes this is an old study. They took many people and went through their records to see how many times they had to be on antibiotics over a period of many years. Obviously the sickest people with the weakest immune systems picked up more diseases and ended up getting more prescriptions of antibiotics. Yet their conclusion was the antibiotics were the reason they got breast cancer at an increased rate!!! Well, DUH!!! My sister was a sickly child...she turned into a sickly adult. She ran constantly to the docs and took everything that he passed out. She has had cancers of both the skin and colon so far. In my mind it was her poor functioning immune system that made her at risk for cancer...not the antibiotics!!! ANYONE with a poor functioning immune system is more prone to every disease, not just cancer. I have the same heredity and have been on antibiotics for over four years continually. Because of my sister I test for cancer every year with my docs. So far I am by far the healthiest of my sisters. Just one womans opinion. Martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Not necessarily true. I have always been by far the healthiest person in my family - rarely sick, hardly ever got colds, never got the flu, .... yet at the age of 42, I was diagnosed with RA and then breast cancer (I was doing AP at the time, but don't believe that was the cause). If I had a poor immune system, then why didn't I get colds? If I had a good immune system, then why did I get cancer? It's just not that simple..... Anyhow, I'm not medically qualified to comment on the study, but as Harold points out, it's not an insignificant study if it's published in the AMA Journal... It's interesting to me that many are quick to condemn drugs, yet seem to think antibiotics are harmless... Antibiotics are drugs too, and while I believe they are safer than the usual RA drugs and most of the current garbage peddled by Big Pharma, I don't believe that they are benign. In fact, some of the antibiotics that are being used are dangerous - Flagyl, for example, is a known carcinogen in animals..... We need to be aware of the risks. I happen to think antibiotics are the lesser of two evils, (just wish I was having better luck with the AP...). Regards, MRSROSE2000@... wrote: >Cherie....Yes this is an old study. They took many people and went through >their records to see how many times they had to be on antibiotics over a >period of many years. Obviously the sickest people with the weakest immune >systems picked up more diseases and ended up getting more prescriptions of >antibiotics. Yet their conclusion was the antibiotics were the reason they got >breast cancer at an increased rate!!! > Well, DUH!!! My sister was a sickly child...she turned into a sickly >adult. She ran constantly to the docs and took everything that he passed out. > She has had cancers of both the skin and colon so far. In my mind it was >her poor functioning immune system that made her at risk for cancer...not the >antibiotics!!! ANYONE with a poor functioning immune system is more prone to >every disease, not just cancer. I have the same heredity and have been on >antibiotics for over four years continually. Because of my sister I test for >cancer every year with my docs. So far I am by far the healthiest of my >sisters. Just one womans opinion. Martha > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 I haven't heard of it before or tried it, but looking over the ingredient listing, it looks okay! Herbs are very effective cleansers. There are lots of products out there making similar claims. I don't know that any single one is the magic bullet....most of them will do the work of cleansing if they stay loyal to basic principles of detoxification and not have alot of added fillers and junk ingredients. Patty"jdebolt@..." <jdebolt@...> wrote: www.DualActionCleanse.com I was wondering if it was any good? It sounds too good to be true. ~julie Celebrate Earth Day everyday! Discover 10 things you can do to help slow climate change. Earth Day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Thanks Patty! Perhaps I will try it and let everyone know! ) ~ Re: anyone heard of this? I haven't heard of it before or tried it, but looking over the ingredient listing, it looks okay! Herbs are very effective cleansers. There are lots of products out there making similar claims. I don't know that any single one is the magic bullet....most of them will do the work of cleansing if they stay loyal to basic principles of detoxification and not have alot of added fillers and junk ingredients. Patty"jdebolt@..." <jdebolt@...> wrote: www.DualActionCleanse.com I was wondering if it was any good? It sounds too good to be true. ~julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Liz the Son-Rise program which is the name it used to go by has come up here many times since as far back as January of 2002. http://www.son-rise.org The problem with it isn't the program but the cost. It's just moving into Scotland now and I have posted an article from today September 7th 2008 about the " £ 7000 cure " (UK£ 7000 = 12 329.8 U.S. dollars) which is similar to the complaint against the people both doctors and laypeople that choose to become dan people. They charge an arm and a leg to parents of special needs children... and why? That lawsuit I just posted about the first visit with all the tests the family thought it was 'only' go to cost seven thousand and the bill was eleven thousand dollars $11,000 And the total amount they spent when they maxed out after they remortgaged their home was $40,000 and reportedly the child regressed from the gains he made prior from the more traditional therapies. http://www.casewatch.org/depos/bock2004.shtml And a note to those professionals in this group that are planning on going this route -yes I'm starting to hear complaints from some of the patients that they feel the direction is now more about making more money. So please ask 'yourself' as a professional 'why' - especially those of you that know for a fact in most cases you don't have to do all this hoopla to see dramatic surges. Anyway back on track - So at only twelve thousand three hundred and twenty nine dollars it appears that Sonrise is a steal. Then again if you ask someone like Jeanne Buesser who has one child with autism and one with apraxia who are both doing really well what she'd have to say -she's only stuck with traditional ABA for her autistic son and we all just read about how well he's doing. If she had and extra 12 or 13 grand laying around she'd probably use some of it to take the family on a much needed vacation! (right Jeanne and Ray?!!) I have a message from Deborah Dore who has an autistic son. She talks about the various methods to treat autism and she mentions son rise but she too doesn't know much about it. Controversial autism guru offers Scots a £7,000 'cure' « Previous « PreviousNext » Next »View GalleryPublished Date: 07 September 2008 By Marc Horne AN AMERICAN medical guru who charges thousands of pounds to " cure " autistic children is heading to Scotland amid a storm of controversy. Raun Kaufman insists he " fully recovered " from the condition and can show others how to do the same. But medical experts and autism groups have accused Kaufman's organisation of misleading parents, claiming there is no scientific evidence. A nADVERTISEMENTumber of specialists – including one of Scotland's most senior consultants – have urged families to think long and hard before signing up for the Son-Rise programme, which can cost more than £7,000. More than 50,000 people in Scotland are thought to have some form of autism, typically leaving them with difficulty in communicating and interacting with others. Autism is a neurological disorder and most scientists believe there can, therefore, be no " cure " . The symptoms of the condition are usually addressed through education in specialised classes with small numbers of pupils. With years of expert support, youngsters can make significant progress and go on to gain qualifications and hold down jobs. Kaufman, who runs the Autism Treatment Centre of America, based in Massachusetts, will give a lecture at Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh, on October 5 entitled 'An Autism Solution' and is also due to speak in London, Manchester and Birmingham. UK tour coordinator son predicted that a capacity audience of 200 people would attend the free Edinburgh talk. People attending the lecture who are interested in learning more will be offered a consultation session with a Son-Rise counsellor. They will then be given official books on the programme including A Miracle To Believe In and Happiness Is A Choice. If they are still interested they can then sign-up to begin one of the intensive Son- Rise programmes. son said Kaufman's speech would " debunk the myth " that autism is incurable. " We have seen full recovery in many, many people since then, but it is challenging to give an exact number. " The Son-Rise scheme encourages parents to mimic their child's behaviour in order to increase trust. Parents are also advised to create a distraction-free " playroom " in their home with toys and food being kept out of reach in order to compel youngsters to communicate. Dr Iain McClure compiled NHS Scotland's guidelines on Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) last year and examined a variety of outside treatment programmes. He said: " There was no evidence found for a cure by any method. " As far as mainstream clinicians and researchers who work with autism are aware, autism is not a condition that one recovers from. " McClure, a consultant psychiatrist with NHS Tayside, urged parents to consult the ish Intercollegiate Guideline Network website before investing in any treatment. " For every parent that Son–Rise presents as being convinced their child has been 'cured' or improved, there will be an equal, if not greater, group who will be dissatisfied. " Dr Mills, director of independent charity Research Autism, also urged caution. He said: " Anecdotal reports of recovery are not evidence. There have been no independently conducted, peer-reviewed scientific trials of the Son-Rise method so we cannot recommend it to parents. " And Carol Povey, head of adult services with the National Autistic Society, said: " I have spoken to Raun Kaufman and told him there is no cure for autism. To claim otherwise is to mislead families who are extremely vulnerable. " Dr Cebula, of Edinburgh University, has conducted research into the impact of Son–Rise on families. The committee member of the ish Autism Research Group said: " Around half of those involved reported that it caused some difficulties for their family life. " Nearly all reported some financial impact. " Cebula said there were also anecdotal reports from parents who found the programme helpful, but said further independent evaluation was needed to get a complete picture. http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/scotland/Controversial-autism- guru-offers-Scots.4466417.jp And here's an archive on it from Deborah from the UK from May of 2002 Re: wonderfull article on autism-fyi Hi , I'll try ! ( but the rest of you please don't shout if it is not detailed enough or slightly out of date - it is just a general overview ...more info on any that you have tried woul;d be welcome though !!) ABA ..Applied Behavioural Analysis ( or Lovas). It is an intervention used on young children which involves breaking tasks down into tiny functions and then teaching each one individually through a process of praise and reward. The therapy is recommnended to be done intensively ( up to 40 hours per week). The child is taken right back to basics and is taught every skill with clear and simple commands - the idea being that once a skill is taught it can be extended and generalised. For example " look at me " modelled and followed by a reward can be the beginings of a child watching and understanding facial expressions and gaining a greater understanding of social interaction. The basics behind the technique are well described in Maurice book " Let me Hear your Voice. ABA has given rise to Verbal Behaviour - a linked therapy which is more generalised and is strongly used with non-verbal autistic kids . Dietary Intervention... Many parents feel these " new " types of autism have more to do with a biochemical reaction in a child than a neurological condiotion . The THEORY is that some factor damages a childs gut . Once that damage is caused it may cause the gut to become " leaky " . If this happens particles of certain foods can leak through the gut and into the bloodsteam causeing major problems when they cross the bloodbrain barrier . The proteins in gluten and casein (wheat and milk) become substances called caseomorphine and glutomorphine . The effect that they have on the brain can vary but includes interupted sleep patterns , unpredictable behaviours ( giggling followed by tantrums) , cravings for certain foods and extremely self-limited diets . Some behaviours can become extreme as the childs highs and lows become mopre intense whilst many milder symptoms echo autistic behaviours . The damage can additionally result in yeast infections and thrush etc which further unsettle the childs behaviour and cause more symptoms . www.autismmedical.com explains the theory on the home page although it is a UK site and the resources have only limited relevence to those in the Usa. This is the therapy to look at if your child has a tight list of " favourite " foods - especially the usual suspects of cheerios , chicken nuggets, bread, baby yogurts, cheese and LOTS of drinks like apple juice !!! Chelation is VERY contravertial and is again based on the theoory that a childs whole gut has been damaged . Dietary intervention tends to be used by those who think that the MMR or anti-biotic use, either by their child directly ( ie for glue ear) or in utero, has caused the problem. Chelation is used by those who think that the high mercury/thimerosal content of their childs immunistations have damaged them - almost from birth. The chelation process involves taking supplements which lift and then remove the heavy metals from the childs body . This is something that can be done over a period of time but is not to be embarked upon lightly and NOT without medical supervision . The symptoms of mercury toxicity are hard top spot and careful testing is needed - again with full medical support . If you want to read about it I can give you info - but please e-mail me and I will let you have some sites . SON-RISE is the one I know least about and the one of which I have no personal experience . It is an intervention designed by a family where the mother worked many hours a day with her autistic son and effectively echoed his behaviours - trying if you like to contact and connect with him by joining him in his autistic world rather than trying to drag him into ours . The son ended up going to university and speaks and runs the education programme. Perhaps others will know more ...... I hope this has given the basics . I am not trying to be very detailed and neither am I trying to recommend any - it's just that these approaches are out there and I think are worth looking at and applying your own good sense and knowledge of your child too before choosing any particualr route . One of them has worked wonders for my child ..... Happy reading ! Shout if you have any questions !! Regards Deborah Dore ~~~~~~~~end of archive ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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