Sauna

[Guest guest]

,

My non-qualified advice on ammonia is to cut back on protein, ammonia is

produced when the body uses protein for fuel. Ammonia is no good for clear

thought. It is suggestive to me that you are looking at a metabolic

deficiency (blocking the proper use of glucose) in my opinion a likely cause

is metal toxicity. The subject is a lot more complicated than this, but in

general; protein=ammonia unless it is used properly to make things.

Jon.

[Guest guest]

If anyone has done the sauna...how do you get a 4 1/2 yr old to stay in the

sauna for 1-2 hrs??? Isn't this steam? or is dry heat ok too...experience

anyone?? It sure sounds worth a try---safe too...except the comment that

some of our kids are more heat sensative///Comments welcomed. Also- My

Great Plains Organic Acid test shows high oxalic that " may be due to Vit. C

toxicity " it says...anyone ever heard of this? I thought Vit. C would be

dumped?? Another question I have is related to elevated ammonia

concentration in plasma...ruled out " decay of sample " as a

possibility....psoo. " hyperammonimia " - Have any of you dealt with

this??-

[ ] sauna

Is anyone on the list using sauna to help with heavy metal detox?

Our doctor told us that he highly recommended sauna if you have a

chance to do it. Just wondering. Naomi

[Guest guest]

Naomi,

I have one on order that should arrive next week. It is a

far-infrared sauna. I could not stand the temperatures of the regular

saunas. They are supposed to help detox other things, too, as well as

help in healing. Maybe, I can tell more in the months ahead.

Carmen

> Is anyone on the list using sauna to help with heavy metal detox?

> Our doctor told us that he highly recommended sauna if you have a

> chance to do it. Just wondering. Naomi

[Guest guest]

>If anyone has done the sauna...how do you get a 4 1/2 yr old to >stay in

thesauna for 1-2 hrs??? Isn't this steam? or is dry heat ok >too...experience

anyone?? It sure sounds worth a try---safe >too...except the comment that some

of our kids are more heat >sensative///Comments welcomed.

Try to find something your child loves to do and bring it in the sauna.

My son loves puzzles and I took them into the sauna when we were doing a

month long sauna program. Dr. Cave also recommends doing sauna along

with DMSA/LA if you have access to a sauna. I think my son tolerates

the heat better than I do. He had just turned 4 when we did the sauna

program and would jump on a trampoline during breaks while I would rest

for the next session.

Dave

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/8/01 4:20:07 PM Central Daylight Time, ddaska@...

writes:

> If anyone has done the sauna...how do you get a 4 1/2 yr old to stay in the

> sauna for 1-2 hrs???

You absolutely do not do it for that long. That would be extremely tough on

a toxic kid. I had to start myself at 10 minutes and really felt the release

the next day. We stick with 20 minutes and it works really well. Some go to

30 minutes, some longer, but 20 minutes preceded with a 20-minute aerobic

exercise is what typical detox protocols recommend.

We bring in books, tapes, toys and play together in there. Ours is a

portable home unit that resembles the kind of tents I used to build as a kid

so it's fun for kids.

Isn't this steam? or is dry heat ok too...experience

> anyone??

No, you need dry heat at lower than typical sauna temp (130-150 degrees) to

get the detoxifying action according to everything I've read on the subject.

A health club sauna would not do what a detoxifying sauna protocol does.

It sure sounds worth a try---safe too...except the comment that

> some of our kids are more heat sensative/

If you choose to do a home sauna program, be sure to work with a doctor in

the early stages to run a blood test every two weeks to ensure your minerals

are not becoming too out of balance. You want to have a SMAC-3 blood test

run before starting to sauna as well to make sure you're in balance and able

to handle it. Also, be sure to drink lots of water and remineralize with an

electrolyte drink before and after sauna. You want to keep a close eye on

the kid when doing a sauna program. We've both had cycles where we released

more and needed to back off a bit.

> Great Plains Organic Acid test shows high oxalic that " may be due to Vit. C

> toxicity " it says...anyone ever heard of this? I thought Vit. C would be

> dumped?? Another question I have is related to elevated ammonia

> concentration in plasma...ruled out " decay of sample " as a

> possibility....psoo. " hyperammonimia " - Have any of you dealt with

> this??-

>

Never heard to vitamin C tox, thought that wasn't possible since it's water

based. My son had elevated ammonia in one of his early blood tests. If I

recall correctly, it was most likely due to not processing toxins properly

(big surprise). I'm going from long-ago memory here, but I believe that was

helped by aspartate.

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/8/01 8:41:32 PM Central Daylight Time, mgen27@...

writes:

> How long did Dr. Cave recommend for each session and how often?

>

This was directed at Dave but since we're using sauna too I thought I'd

share. We use a modified version of the Hubbard Regimen, which is typically

used for metals and chemical detox. We're also detoxing from chemicals

sprayed on a golf course where we used to live in addition to metals.

The Hubbard Regimen starts with 20 minutes of aerobic exercise followed by

heat exposure from 10-30 minutes depending on individual tolerance. They

often then have cool down periods followed by more sauna depending on the

person's reaction for a total sauna program (including exercise, heat and

cool down) between 2-5 hours a day with strict monitoring by a

doctor.Nicotinic Acid (B-3) is used to enhance excretion and cold-pressed

polyunsaturated oils are used to help the colon excrete chemicals better.

Electrolyte drinks or potassium and salts are used to replace minerals lost

through sweating as well as vitamin and mineral supplements are given and

levels are monitored to ensure they don't go out of balance.

We started with 20 min running/10 min in sauna/10 out/10 in again and now

just do 20 min in, followed by a cool down and shower. We could probably do

more but since we do it at home with only monthly monitoring by a doctor, I'd

rather err on the side of detoxing slowly rather than overdoing it. We use

an electrolyte drink to replace minerals.

> Did she specify an ideal temperature?

Hubbard Regimen specifies an average temp of 160 degrees, other sauna detox

protocols suggest between 140-160.

>

> How long have you done this treatment?

>

About 8 months for us. At first we went without interruption for 60 days

then went to cycles of one week on, one off.

> Is there any way you can tell if the sauna has made a difference (if

> you're using DMSA/ALA it would probably not be possible to tell, I

> guess)?

>

It really seems to have helped alot. We've seen increases in arsenic

excretion in urine and stool tests since starting sauna -- also more overall

health benefits. The tests were done after either DMSA or DMPS but we do

notice a benefit when we're using it without the chelators too. I do think

they are a good combo though since the cells can better release the metals

and chemicals and chelators can help pull them out better. You do want to

watch kidney and liver function during this though so you make sure your body

can easily excrete what is released.

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

Dave,

Some questions about using the sauna, please:

How long did Dr. Cave recommend for each session and how often?

Did she specify an ideal temperature?

How long have you done this treatment?

Is there any way you can tell if the sauna has made a difference (if

you're using DMSA/ALA it would probably not be possible to tell, I

guess)?

Thanks and good luck with your son.

Mireille

> >If anyone has done the sauna...how do you get a 4 1/2 yr old to

>stay in thesauna for 1-2 hrs??? Isn't this steam? or is dry

heat ok >too...experience anyone?? It sure sounds worth a

try---safe >too...except the comment that some of our kids

are more heat >sensative///Comments welcomed.

>

> Try to find something your child loves to do and bring it in the

sauna.

> My son loves puzzles and I took them into the sauna when we were

doing a

> month long sauna program. Dr. Cave also recommends doing sauna

along

> with DMSA/LA if you have access to a sauna. I think my son

tolerates

> the heat better than I do. He had just turned 4 when we did the

sauna

> program and would jump on a trampoline during breaks while I would

rest

> for the next session.

>

> Dave

[Guest guest]

Hi Naomi

I am using sauna to help detox. I try to spend an hour/week in the hot house.

Regards

.

[ ] sauna

Is anyone on the list using sauna to help with heavy metal detox?

Our doctor told us that he highly recommended sauna if you have a

chance to do it. Just wondering. Naomi

[Guest guest]

,

Spinach has high oxalic acid, can't remember what else does (blueberries,

maybe?). Ammonia from break down of something else? Proteins, maybe?

S

On Tue, 08 May 2001, " Dave & " wrote:

>

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> If anyone has done the sauna...how do you get a 4 1/2 yr old to stay in

the<BR>

> sauna for 1-2 hrs??? & nbsp; Isn't this steam? or is dry heat ok

too...experience<BR>

> anyone?? It sure sounds worth a try---safe too...except the comment that<BR>

> some of our kids are more heat sensative///Comments welcomed. & nbsp; Also-

My<BR>

> Great Plains Organic Acid test shows high oxalic that & quot;may be due to Vit.

C<BR>

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would be<BR>

> dumped?? & nbsp; Another question I have is related to elevated ammonia<BR>

> concentration in plasma...ruled out & quot;decay of sample & quot; as a<BR>

> possibility....psoo. & quot;hyperammonimia & quot;- & nbsp; Have any of you dealt

with<BR>

> this??-<BR>

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> <BR>

> <BR>

> & nbsp; Is anyone on the list using sauna to help with heavy metal detox?<BR>

> & nbsp; Our doctor told us that he highly recommended sauna if you have a<BR>

> & nbsp; chance to do it. & nbsp; Just wondering. & nbsp; Naomi<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

[Guest guest]

,

Spinach has high oxalic acid, can't remember what else does (blueberries,

maybe?). Ammonia from break down of something else? Proteins, maybe?

S

On Tue, 08 May 2001, " Dave & " wrote:

>

> <html><body>

> <tt>

> If anyone has done the sauna...how do you get a 4 1/2 yr old to stay in

the<BR>

> sauna for 1-2 hrs??? & nbsp; Isn't this steam? or is dry heat ok

too...experience<BR>

> anyone?? It sure sounds worth a try---safe too...except the comment that<BR>

> some of our kids are more heat sensative///Comments welcomed. & nbsp; Also-

My<BR>

> Great Plains Organic Acid test shows high oxalic that & quot;may be due to Vit.

C<BR>

> toxicity & quot; it says...anyone ever heard of this? & nbsp; I thought Vit. C

would be<BR>

> dumped?? & nbsp; Another question I have is related to elevated ammonia<BR>

> concentration in plasma...ruled out & quot;decay of sample & quot; as a<BR>

> possibility....psoo. & quot;hyperammonimia & quot;- & nbsp; Have any of you dealt

with<BR>

> this??-<BR>

> & nbsp; [ ] sauna<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> & nbsp; Is anyone on the list using sauna to help with heavy metal detox?<BR>

> & nbsp; Our doctor told us that he highly recommended sauna if you have a<BR>

> & nbsp; chance to do it. & nbsp; Just wondering. & nbsp; Naomi<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

[Guest guest]

Jon- Thanks for the input. I'm hoping to get more info. at the DAN

conference & / or when we have our Aug. & Oct. appointments w/ DAN doctors.

(...the end of Aug. / OCt. appts seem to be toooo lllooonnngg of a time to

wait for input) My son isn't GFCF yet. His protein doesn't seem so out of

proportion...only Chick fi la nuggets (8-12day) and vanilla ice-cream

(approx 1-2 cups/day)...we only eat about 12 items and there you have the

exclusive protein intake...at 4 1/2yr and @ 50lbs that seems ok to me. Does

this seem high?

(A side note...it'd be great for our family if Chick if la would use rice

flour...I wonder if the public could tell a difference?-smile)

We show metal toxicity of several elements...of course mercury is also

suspected, but shots are too far passed to detect w/o challenge test.

Thanks-

Re: [ ] sauna

,

My non-qualified advice on ammonia is to cut back on protein, ammonia is

produced when the body uses protein for fuel. Ammonia is no good for clear

thought. It is suggestive to me that you are looking at a metabolic

deficiency (blocking the proper use of glucose) in my opinion a likely

cause

is metal toxicity. The subject is a lot more complicated than this, but in

general; protein=ammonia unless it is used properly to make things.

Jon.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info...

Re: [ ] sauna

In a message dated 5/8/01 4:20:07 PM Central Daylight Time,

ddaska@...

writes:

> If anyone has done the sauna...how do you get a 4 1/2 yr old to stay in

the

> sauna for 1-2 hrs???

You absolutely do not do it for that long. That would be extremely tough

on

a toxic kid. I had to start myself at 10 minutes and really felt the

release

the next day. We stick with 20 minutes and it works really well. Some go

to

30 minutes, some longer, but 20 minutes preceded with a 20-minute aerobic

exercise is what typical detox protocols recommend.

We bring in books, tapes, toys and play together in there. Ours is a

portable home unit that resembles the kind of tents I used to build as a

kid

so it's fun for kids.

Isn't this steam? or is dry heat ok too...experience

> anyone??

No, you need dry heat at lower than typical sauna temp (130-150 degrees)

to

get the detoxifying action according to everything I've read on the

subject.

A health club sauna would not do what a detoxifying sauna protocol does.

It sure sounds worth a try---safe too...except the comment that

> some of our kids are more heat sensative/

If you choose to do a home sauna program, be sure to work with a doctor in

the early stages to run a blood test every two weeks to ensure your

minerals

are not becoming too out of balance. You want to have a SMAC-3 blood test

run before starting to sauna as well to make sure you're in balance and

able

to handle it. Also, be sure to drink lots of water and remineralize with

an

electrolyte drink before and after sauna. You want to keep a close eye on

the kid when doing a sauna program. We've both had cycles where we

released

more and needed to back off a bit.

> Great Plains Organic Acid test shows high oxalic that " may be due to

Vit. C

> toxicity " it says...anyone ever heard of this? I thought Vit. C would

be

> dumped?? Another question I have is related to elevated ammonia

> concentration in plasma...ruled out " decay of sample " as a

> possibility....psoo. " hyperammonimia " - Have any of you dealt with

> this??-

>

Never heard to vitamin C tox, thought that wasn't possible since it's

water

based. My son had elevated ammonia in one of his early blood tests. If I

recall correctly, it was most likely due to not processing toxins properly

(big surprise). I'm going from long-ago memory here, but I believe that

was

helped by aspartate.

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the input - doesn't eat spinach or blueberries...

his diet is limited to about 12 items...I heard that protein breakdown may

be contributing to the ammonia. It doesn't seem that he gets an excess of

protein though. What perplexing systems our little ones have?? Persistence,

and prayer are sustaining us-

[ ] sauna<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> & nbsp; Is anyone on the list using sauna to help with heavy metal

detox?<BR>

> & nbsp; Our doctor told us that he highly recommended sauna if you have

a<BR>

> & nbsp; chance to do it. & nbsp; Just wondering. & nbsp; Naomi<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the input Dave-I'd never heard of the sauna treatments for our

kids until these postings. I've been on our quest for 2 years now. Why

isn't this info seen in ARI info and other 1st hit sites?? Thanks-

[ ] RE: sauna

>If anyone has done the sauna...how do you get a 4 1/2 yr old to

>stay in thesauna for 1-2 hrs??? Isn't this steam? or is dry heat ok

>too...experience anyone?? It sure sounds worth a try---safe

>too...except the comment that some of our kids are more heat

>sensative///Comments welcomed.

Try to find something your child loves to do and bring it in the sauna.

My son loves puzzles and I took them into the sauna when we were doing a

month long sauna program. Dr. Cave also recommends doing sauna along

with DMSA/LA if you have access to a sauna. I think my son tolerates

the heat better than I do. He had just turned 4 when we did the sauna

program and would jump on a trampoline during breaks while I would rest

for the next session.

Dave

[Guest guest]

> > >If anyone has done the sauna...how do you get a 4 1/2 yr old to

> >stay in thesauna for 1-2 hrs??? Isn't this steam? or is dry

> heat ok >too...experience anyone?? It sure sounds worth a

> try---safe >too...except the comment that some of our kids

> are more heat >sensative///Comments welcomed.

> >

> > Try to find something your child loves to do and bring it in the

> sauna.

> > My son loves puzzles and I took them into the sauna when we were

> doing a

> > month long sauna program. Dr. Cave also recommends doing sauna

> along

> > with DMSA/LA if you have access to a sauna. I think my son

> tolerates

> > the heat better than I do. He had just turned 4 when we did the

> sauna

> > program and would jump on a trampoline during breaks while I would

> rest

> > for the next session.

> >

> > Dave

[Guest guest]

At 06:23 PM 5/8/2001 -0000, you wrote:

>Is anyone on the list using sauna to help with heavy metal detox?

>Our doctor told us that he highly recommended sauna if you have a

>chance to do it. Just wondering. Naomi

I've been taking a sauna about once a week. I've grown to really

like them. My skin feels " cleaner " and really good afterward,

and most of the time.

Hal Huggin's mercury detox booklet talks about saunas (he cautions

to go slow on temperature and how long you stay in).

What I do is go in for a while and get hot, then stand under a cold

shower for a minute or two, then repeat. I usually do 3 or 4 rounds

like that.

best,

Moria

[Guest guest]

Hello Listmates:

I've been pondering this sauna issue for a while. I am very physically

active and I love to go on long bike rides. One thing that I really love

is riding up hill in the hot weather. I lived in CA for years and the

hotter the better. My favorite rides are those done is 90 degree plus

weather. I love to sweat. I wonder if this has been my bodies way of

helping to detox. I could go on and on about how I love to ride in the

heat. Just a thought.

In Christ's love and mine...Jen : )

On Tue, 15 May 2001 09:06:49 -0700 Moria Merriweather

<moriam@...> writes:

> At 06:23 PM 5/8/2001 -0000, you wrote:

> >Is anyone on the list using sauna to help with heavy metal detox?

>

> >Our doctor told us that he highly recommended sauna if you have a

> >chance to do it. Just wondering. Naomi

>

> I've been taking a sauna about once a week. I've grown to really

> like them. My skin feels " cleaner " and really good afterward,

> and most of the time.

>

> Hal Huggin's mercury detox booklet talks about saunas (he cautions

> to go slow on temperature and how long you stay in).

>

> What I do is go in for a while and get hot, then stand under a cold

> shower for a minute or two, then repeat. I usually do 3 or 4

> rounds

> like that.

>

> best,

> Moria

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Sounds like a psychiatric disorder to me!

On Tue, 15 May 2001 10:38:43 -0600 " L. Thorne "

<jthorne@...> writes:

> Hello Listmates:

>

> I've been pondering this sauna issue for a while. I am very

> physically

> active and I love to go on long bike rides. One thing that I really

> love

> is riding up hill in the hot weather. I lived in CA for years and

> the

> hotter the better. My favorite rides are those done is 90 degree

> plus

> weather. I love to sweat. I wonder if this has been my bodies way

> of

> helping to detox. I could go on and on about how I love to ride in

> the

> heat. Just a thought.

>

> In Christ's love and mine...Jen : )

>

> On Tue, 15 May 2001 09:06:49 -0700 Moria Merriweather

> <moriam@...> writes:

> > At 06:23 PM 5/8/2001 -0000, you wrote:

> > >Is anyone on the list using sauna to help with heavy metal detox?

>

> >

> > >Our doctor told us that he highly recommended sauna if you have a

>

> > >chance to do it. Just wondering. Naomi

> >

> > I've been taking a sauna about once a week. I've grown to really

> > like them. My skin feels " cleaner " and really good afterward,

> > and most of the time.

> >

> > Hal Huggin's mercury detox booklet talks about saunas (he cautions

> > to go slow on temperature and how long you stay in).

> >

> > What I do is go in for a while and get hot, then stand under a

> cold

> > shower for a minute or two, then repeat. I usually do 3 or 4

> > rounds

> > like that.

> >

> > best,

> > Moria

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

Moria,

How can one get a copy of Hal's detox booklet?

Thanks much,

Chris

On Tue, 15 May 2001 09:06:49 -0700 Moria Merriweather

<moriam@...> writes:

> At 06:23 PM 5/8/2001 -0000, you wrote:

> >Is anyone on the list using sauna to help with heavy metal detox?

> >Our doctor told us that he highly recommended sauna if you have a

> >chance to do it. Just wondering. Naomi

>

> I've been taking a sauna about once a week. I've grown to really

> like them. My skin feels " cleaner " and really good afterward,

> and most of the time.

>

> Hal Huggin's mercury detox booklet talks about saunas (he cautions

> to go slow on temperature and how long you stay in).

>

> What I do is go in for a while and get hot, then stand under a cold

> shower for a minute or two, then repeat. I usually do 3 or 4 rounds

> like that.

>

> best,

> Moria

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

> > >Is anyone on the list using sauna to help with heavy metal detox?

> >

> > >Our doctor told us that he highly recommended sauna if you have a

> > >chance to do it. Just wondering. Naomi

> >

> > I've been taking a sauna about once a week. I've grown to really

> > like them. My skin feels " cleaner " and really good afterward,

> > and most of the time.

> >

> > Hal Huggin's mercury detox booklet talks about saunas (he cautions

> > to go slow on temperature and how long you stay in).

> >

> > What I do is go in for a while and get hot, then stand under a

cold

> > shower for a minute or two, then repeat. I usually do 3 or 4

> > rounds

> > like that.

> >

> > best,

> > Moria

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

Along this line--several things I've been thinking about. My hubby has

fillings, but he is a veterinarian and former farm kid, so did a LOT of

stacking hay, etc., hard physical sweating work. I wonder if that is why

the mercury hasn't seemed to bother him much. Also my Mom has MS and the

symptoms showed up AFTER we moved back to the US from a desert country,

where we used to sweat gallons every summer.

Hmmm . . . Didn't someone say MS was more common in people in colder

countries?

Barb

[ ] Re: sauna

>

>> > >Is anyone on the list using sauna to help with heavy metal detox?

>> >

>> > >Our doctor told us that he highly recommended sauna if you have a

>> > >chance to do it. Just wondering. Naomi

>> >

>> > I've been taking a sauna about once a week. I've grown to really

>> > like them. My skin feels " cleaner " and really good afterward,

>> > and most of the time.

>> >

>> > Hal Huggin's mercury detox booklet talks about saunas (he cautions

>> > to go slow on temperature and how long you stay in).

>> >

>> > What I do is go in for a while and get hot, then stand under a

>cold

>> > shower for a minute or two, then repeat. I usually do 3 or 4

>> > rounds

>> > like that.

>> >

>> > best,

>> > Moria

>> >

>> >

>> > =======================================================

>> >

[Guest guest]

,

Catching up on old mail. At my most mercury toxic (10 years ago) my body was

dumping my own cells before they had lived out their life span (according to the

chiropractor/nutritionist who confirmed the mercury toxicity). Don't know if

this applies, perhaps someone else on the list knows. I'm guessing this

presented as ammonia in the urine because of the protein of the body cells

themselves, rather than from intake of protein from food. Just a thought.

S

On Wed, 09 May 2001, " Dave & " wrote:

>

> <html><body>

> <tt>

> Jon- Thanks for the input. & nbsp; & nbsp; I'm hoping to get more info. at the

DAN<BR>

> conference & amp;/ or when we have our Aug. & amp; Oct. appointments w/ DAN

doctors.<BR>

> (...the end of Aug. / OCt. appts seem to be toooo lllooonnngg of a time to<BR>

> wait for input) & nbsp; My son isn't GFCF yet. & nbsp; His protein doesn't seem so

out of<BR>

> proportion...only Chick fi la nuggets (8-12day) and vanilla ice-cream<BR>

> (approx 1-2 cups/day)...we only eat about 12 items and there you have the<BR>

> exclusive protein intake...at 4 1/2yr and @ 50lbs that seems ok to me. & nbsp;

Does<BR>

> this seem high?<BR>

> (A side note...it'd be great for our family if Chick if la would use rice<BR>

> flour...I wonder if the public could tell a difference?-smile)<BR>

> <BR>

> We show metal toxicity of several elements...of course mercury is also<BR>

> suspected, but shots are too far passed to detect w/o challenge test.<BR>

> Thanks-<BR>

> <BR>

> & nbsp; Re: [ ] sauna<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> & nbsp; ,<BR>

> <BR>

> & nbsp; My non-qualified advice on ammonia is to cut back on protein, ammonia

is<BR>

> & nbsp; produced when the body uses protein for fuel. Ammonia is no good for

clear<BR>

> & nbsp; thought. & nbsp; It is suggestive to me that you are looking at a

metabolic<BR>

> & nbsp; deficiency (blocking the proper use of glucose) in my opinion a

likely<BR>

> cause<BR>

> & nbsp; is metal toxicity. The subject is a lot more complicated than this, but

in<BR>

> & nbsp; general; protein=ammonia unless it is used properly to make things.<BR>

> <BR>

> & nbsp; Jon.<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> & nbsp;

[Guest guest]

s.- Thanks for the input...how I wish we could just ZAP the metals

out...IMMEDIATELY!! It's a bit scary to consider the precious time involved

in the gut clean-up & diet steps as precursors to the chealation...when I

think the metal toxicity contributes to the diet, gut, and immune issues?!?!

It's a vicious cycle...We'll see in time if this idea bears out to be

" truth " and we'll methodically go with the systematic DAN protocol.

I have a question on the MBP autoantibodies maybe you or someone else can

give some input...If 's MBP level is 60 why wouldn't his

Neurofilament levels be elevated also?? Thanks-

Re: [ ] sauna<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> & nbsp; ,<BR>

> <BR>

> & nbsp; My non-qualified advice on ammonia is to cut back on protein,

ammonia is<BR>

> & nbsp; produced when the body uses protein for fuel. Ammonia is no good

for clear<BR>

> & nbsp; thought. & nbsp; It is suggestive to me that you are looking at a

metabolic<BR>

> & nbsp; deficiency (blocking the proper use of glucose) in my opinion a

likely<BR>

> cause<BR>

> & nbsp; is metal toxicity. The subject is a lot more complicated than

this, but in<BR>

> & nbsp; general; protein=ammonia unless it is used properly to make

things.<BR>

> <BR>

> & nbsp; Jon.<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> & nbsp;

[Guest guest]

,

In the autoantibodies to MBP test you did, isn't this the test where

the result should be <10? Also, what are neurofilament levels? Is this

the same lab test as MBP test? What type of treatment does your Dr.

recommend for a level of 60? Thanks.

Nickolson

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Hi - Yes, the MBP should be less than 10...the Neurofilament-Heavy

Subunit Quantitative Value test (Specialty Labs #1052 ) is suppose to be

related to the autoimmune response of MBP...I'm not sure exactly how.

Perhaps list mates can help us with this.) Ref Range = < 10 also.

has 9 here. We don't have a doctor who'll advise on this yet...Our

appt. is in mid Aug. As I understand from friends who do see a DAN

practioner and whose kids have much lower MBP than shows...IVIG may

be in store for us. When the ref. is <10...60 is HUGE!! Sorry I can't be

of more help- We wait?!?!

Re: [ ] sauna

,

In the autoantibodies to MBP test you did, isn't this the test where

the result should be <10? Also, what are neurofilament levels? Is this

the same lab test as MBP test? What type of treatment does your Dr.

recommend for a level of 60? Thanks.

Nickolson

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