Re: worried about hair loss

[Guest guest]

Hi Sasha,

Sounds like the symptoms we hear about all the time, and most of us

have had many of these symptoms and some other symptoms also. Where are you?

Many women do not have symptoms for up to 7 years, but some have them

very soon. It is individual.

Lynda

At 02:28 PM 5/6/2006, you wrote:

>Hi Everyone!

>I am new to this group... am so glad I somehow discovered it.

>Here is my situation, in a nutshell...

>

>I am 42yrs old. I had saline breast implants put in a little over 5yrs

>ago. I'm not sure if they are textured or smooth. During the past yr,

>I've had some strange symptoms. They may have been going on longer &

>I just didn't pay attention to it, not sure. I am wondering if these

>symptoms could be caused by my implants....

>

>-Mouth/throat always very dry

>-Frequent dry eyes, although I do wear contacts

>-Always feel warm & often, downright hot! This may sound weird but

>when I urinate, I can feel that the urine is hot, not just warm(??)

>-Slightly achy joints, especially my neck although I have been much

>more sedentary since Dec 05 when I started a new job which actually

>requires me to sit on my living room couch for hours & write.

>-Racing heart... I think that symptom has been present for a while,

>maybe even before implants... i'm really not sure??

>-Forgetful, difficulty concentrating... very subtle.

>***Most disturbing of all has been what I would call significant hair

>loss for a aprroximately 1yr. The hair loss is generalized... all over

>my head but I've noticed it the most in the front & top of my head

>(maybe b/c that is the area we see the most in the mirror.) On the top

>front of my head, I have an area that is noticeably thinning where I

>am starting to see my scalp a little. Also, the last 6mos my hair has

>been extremely dry, brittle. I don't wash & blow dry it everyday.

>My hair has always been on the thinner & dryer side but definitely not

>like this. I think that people & drs. are thinking I am crazy but I

>know these symptoms are real... especially when i see the hair in the

>shower... it has been a little better recently... but the dryness is

>awful & meanwhile... i've lost so much hair... VERY upsetting..

>

>I am sorry this is getting long but i'm trying to give an honest

>appraisal & not be to quick to blame it on the implants. I've had

>blood work done, including hormones & thyroid which all came back

>normal. I am currently seeing a dermalolgist for the hair loss... she

>can't really give me answers. Has been injecting the thinning area w/

>some type of anti-inflammatory which so far, isn't helping. My iron

>level did come back on the low side of normal(50) & i've been taking

>an iron pill. The dr. looked at me strange when i mentioned the

>implants possibly being the cause.

>

>I also stopped the 2 medications I was on, thinking that was the

>cause. I am still trying to investigate other reasons for the dry

>hair/dry mouth thing... but so far, perplexed.

>

>I read somewhere that those little plastic things that are in vitamin

> & pill bottles to keep moisture out, contain silicone. Sure enough, i

>checked in one of my bottles & it said... silica gel & activated

>carbon. Could the silicone shells of my implants be sucking moisture

>out of me?... the thought of this is freaky!

>

>One other quick question... Shouldn't I have started having some of

>these symptoms sooner after implant insertion... or as the implants

>get older, do they start breaking down more & even more prone to

>causing these symptoms.

>

>Thanks for reading my story & again, sorry so long!

>Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.... Sasha

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sasha,

Welcome to ! . . . You've found women who

understand!

You sound like so many women who come to the group . .

.. However, if it's your implants that are causing your

problems, hair loss is minor compared to some issues .

.. .

Please read through old messages - especially those

from new women coming to the group . . . then read

through the archived files. We have sooooooooo much

information that's it's hard to tell you where to

start.

The one thing that's notable about implanted women is

that their tests usually come back NORMAL! . . .

Regardless of how sick they are. (There are exceptions

among women who had their implants a long time) . . .

Running around collecting diagnoses really works

against you when it comes to getting private

insurance. . .

My suggestion is to get your implants properly removed

(en bloc), then wait a year before considering any

health issues need addressing - Unless, of course, you

have a critical need.

We've found that women get better on a regular basis .

.. . Some much faster than others . . . Usually it

requires that you adopt a very healthy eating program,

plus use detox programs.

My suggestion? Take a deep breath! . . . Quit

stressing (hard to do, but necessary), and start

working on your plans.

If you have any questions, ask away! . . . This group

is incredible!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Sasha,

>

> Welcome to ! . . . You've found women who

> understand!

>

> You sound like so many women who come to the group . .

> . However, if it's your implants that are causing your

> problems, hair loss is minor compared to some issues .

> . .

>

> Please read through old messages - especially those

> from new women coming to the group . . . then read

> through the archived files. We have sooooooooo much

> information that's it's hard to tell you where to

> start.

>

> The one thing that's notable about implanted women is

> that their tests usually come back NORMAL! . .

> Regardless of how sick they are. (There are exceptions

> among women who had their implants a long time) . . .

> Running around collecting diagnoses really works

> against you when it comes to getting private

> insurance. . .

>

> My suggestion is to get your implants properly removed

> (en bloc), then wait a year before considering any

> health issues need addressing - Unless, of course, you

> have a critical need.

>

> We've found that women get better on a regular basis .

> . . Some much faster than others . . . Usually it

> requires that you adopt a very healthy eating program,

> plus use detox programs.

>

> My suggestion? Take a deep breath! . . . Quit

> stressing (hard to do, but necessary), and start

> working on your plans.

>

> If you have any questions, ask away! . . . This group

> is incredible!

>

> Hugs and prayers,

>

> Rogene

>

Thanks so much for your responses. I don't know if i'm doing this

right... but i'm sending this to both people who emailed me.

You are right... hair loss is minor compared to some of the other

symptoms. I live in NJ, by the way. I've called 2 doctors so far

to inquire about removal. The dr. in NY (Skolnik) was more

expensive... approximately $13,000 (includes the breast lift)if i

heard them right.

Dr Feng's office... in Ohio quoted me $7000 (w/o lift) & $11,000

(w/lift).... i've read very good things about her but hate the

thought of traveling so far. The cost (i guess anywhere?) is

significant to say the least but worth it if it improves my

health... & if i go thru w/ this, i want to make sure i go to a good

dr.

Thanks again... i'll try not to stress!

Knowledge is power... but i wish i learned more about

supposedly " safe " saline implants before i had them put in.

If anyone has a comment on the possibility of the silicone shells

sucking moisture out of the body (like those little things in the

pill bottles, do)... I would be intereseted in hearing it.

I am considering seeing a rheumatologist to r/o other things... but

i am really questioning these implants.

Sasha

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Sasha,

>

> Welcome to ! . . . You've found women who

> understand!

>

> You sound like so many women who come to the group . .

> . However, if it's your implants that are causing your

> problems, hair loss is minor compared to some issues .

> . .

>

> Please read through old messages - especially those

> from new women coming to the group . . . then read

> through the archived files. We have sooooooooo much

> information that's it's hard to tell you where to

> start.

>

> The one thing that's notable about implanted women is

> that their tests usually come back NORMAL! . .

> Regardless of how sick they are. (There are exceptions

> among women who had their implants a long time) . . .

> Running around collecting diagnoses really works

> against you when it comes to getting private

> insurance. . .

>

> My suggestion is to get your implants properly removed

> (en bloc), then wait a year before considering any

> health issues need addressing - Unless, of course, you

> have a critical need.

>

> We've found that women get better on a regular basis .

> . . Some much faster than others . . . Usually it

> requires that you adopt a very healthy eating program,

> plus use detox programs.

>

> My suggestion? Take a deep breath! . . . Quit

> stressing (hard to do, but necessary), and start

> working on your plans.

>

> If you have any questions, ask away! . . . This group

> is incredible!

>

> Hugs and prayers,

>

> Rogene

>

Thanks so much for your responses. I don't know if i'm doing this

right... but i'm sending this to both people who emailed me.

You are right... hair loss is minor compared to some of the other

symptoms. I live in NJ, by the way. I've called 2 doctors so far

to inquire about removal. The dr. in NY (Skolnik) was more

expensive... approximately $13,000 (includes the breast lift)if i

heard them right.

Dr Feng's office... in Ohio quoted me $7000 (w/o lift) & $11,000

(w/lift).... i've read very good things about her but hate the

thought of traveling so far. The cost (i guess anywhere?) is

significant to say the least but worth it if it improves my

health... & if i go thru w/ this, i want to make sure i go to a good

dr.

Thanks again... i'll try not to stress!

Knowledge is power... but i wish i learned more about

supposedly " safe " saline implants before i had them put in.

If anyone has a comment on the possibility of the silicone shells

sucking moisture out of the body (like those little things in the

pill bottles, do)... I would be intereseted in hearing it.

I am considering seeing a rheumatologist to r/o other things... but

i am really questioning these implants.

Sasha

[Guest guest]

Hi Sasha,

I live in New Jersey, too, and traveled to Ohio for surgery with Dr.

Feng. She did a good job on me, and I didn't need a lift. I wanted

her to do it rather than my original plastic surgeon, who would have

charged me about $2500 for explant, because I wanted it done right.

I knew she would take the capsules out and she would be careful not

to spill the contents of the implant into my body. She did a great

job, too. If you want to see my pictures, go to the menu on the

left and click on links, then continue clicking the top link until

you get to the login screen - and the password is " implants " . I'm

not trying to convince you to use her, just thought it might help to

hear from patients of certain doctors so you can decide what you

want to do.

P.S. If we aren't that far from one another, I'd be happy to meet up

with you sometime.

Sis

> >

> > Hi Sasha,

> >

> > Welcome to ! . . . You've found women who

> > understand!

> >

> > You sound like so many women who come to the group . .

> > . However, if it's your implants that are causing your

> > problems, hair loss is minor compared to some issues .

> > . .

> >

> > Please read through old messages - especially those

> > from new women coming to the group . . . then read

> > through the archived files. We have sooooooooo much

> > information that's it's hard to tell you where to

> > start.

> >

> > The one thing that's notable about implanted women is

> > that their tests usually come back NORMAL! . .

>

>

> > Regardless of how sick they are. (There are exceptions

> > among women who had their implants a long time) . . .

> > Running around collecting diagnoses really works

> > against you when it comes to getting private

> > insurance. . .

> >

> > My suggestion is to get your implants properly removed

> > (en bloc), then wait a year before considering any

> > health issues need addressing - Unless, of course, you

> > have a critical need.

> >

> > We've found that women get better on a regular basis .

> > . . Some much faster than others . . . Usually it

> > requires that you adopt a very healthy eating program,

> > plus use detox programs.

> >

> > My suggestion? Take a deep breath! . . . Quit

> > stressing (hard to do, but necessary), and start

> > working on your plans.

> >

> > If you have any questions, ask away! . . . This group

> > is incredible!

> >

> > Hugs and prayers,

> >

> > Rogene

> >

> Thanks so much for your responses. I don't know if i'm doing this

> right... but i'm sending this to both people who emailed me.

>

> You are right... hair loss is minor compared to some of the other

> symptoms. I live in NJ, by the way. I've called 2 doctors so far

> to inquire about removal. The dr. in NY (Skolnik) was more

> expensive... approximately $13,000 (includes the breast lift)if i

> heard them right.

> Dr Feng's office... in Ohio quoted me $7000 (w/o lift) & $11,000

> (w/lift).... i've read very good things about her but hate the

> thought of traveling so far. The cost (i guess anywhere?) is

> significant to say the least but worth it if it improves my

> health... & if i go thru w/ this, i want to make sure i go to a

good

> dr.

> Thanks again... i'll try not to stress!

> Knowledge is power... but i wish i learned more about

> supposedly " safe " saline implants before i had them put in.

>

> If anyone has a comment on the possibility of the silicone shells

> sucking moisture out of the body (like those little things in the

> pill bottles, do)... I would be intereseted in hearing it.

> I am considering seeing a rheumatologist to r/o other things...

but

> i am really questioning these implants.

> Sasha

>

[Guest guest]

Sasha,

I think you are taking a wise approach to this. As to thyroid, has your doctor

checked

thyroid antibodies, not just the TSH, free T3 or T4? With early onset of

Hashimoto's

thyroiditis, sometimes the routine tests are normal, but your antibodies will

not be.

Not all symptoms can be blamed on implants, of course. The problem is that many

of

these problems can be symptoms of a whole variety of illnesses or conditions --

even

menopause, although you are a little young for that.

It is smart to check these things out, in my opinion. If you have some

unrelated medical

problem, you need to find out so it can be treated properly. On the other hand,

if tests

come back normal or if you find an autoimmune problem, you may want to consider

your

implants.

I absolutely believe that implants, including saline implants, can cause these

kinds of

problems.

>

> Hi Everyone!

> I am new to this group... am so glad I somehow discovered it.

> Here is my situation, in a nutshell...

>

> I am 42yrs old. I had saline breast implants put in a little over 5yrs

> ago. I'm not sure if they are textured or smooth. During the past yr,

> I've had some strange symptoms. They may have been going on longer &

> I just didn't pay attention to it, not sure. I am wondering if these

> symptoms could be caused by my implants....

>

> -Mouth/throat always very dry

> -Frequent dry eyes, although I do wear contacts

> -Always feel warm & often, downright hot! This may sound weird but

> when I urinate, I can feel that the urine is hot, not just warm(??)

> -Slightly achy joints, especially my neck although I have been much

> more sedentary since Dec 05 when I started a new job which actually

> requires me to sit on my living room couch for hours & write.

> -Racing heart... I think that symptom has been present for a while,

> maybe even before implants... i'm really not sure??

> -Forgetful, difficulty concentrating... very subtle.

> ***Most disturbing of all has been what I would call significant hair

> loss for a aprroximately 1yr. The hair loss is generalized... all over

> my head but I've noticed it the most in the front & top of my head

> (maybe b/c that is the area we see the most in the mirror.) On the top

> front of my head, I have an area that is noticeably thinning where I

> am starting to see my scalp a little. Also, the last 6mos my hair has

> been extremely dry, brittle. I don't wash & blow dry it everyday.

> My hair has always been on the thinner & dryer side but definitely not

> like this. I think that people & drs. are thinking I am crazy but I

> know these symptoms are real... especially when i see the hair in the

> shower... it has been a little better recently... but the dryness is

> awful & meanwhile... i've lost so much hair... VERY upsetting..

>

> I am sorry this is getting long but i'm trying to give an honest

> appraisal & not be to quick to blame it on the implants. I've had

> blood work done, including hormones & thyroid which all came back

> normal. I am currently seeing a dermalolgist for the hair loss... she

> can't really give me answers. Has been injecting the thinning area w/

> some type of anti-inflammatory which so far, isn't helping. My iron

> level did come back on the low side of normal(50) & i've been taking

> an iron pill. The dr. looked at me strange when i mentioned the

> implants possibly being the cause.

>

> I also stopped the 2 medications I was on, thinking that was the

> cause. I am still trying to investigate other reasons for the dry

> hair/dry mouth thing... but so far, perplexed.

>

> I read somewhere that those little plastic things that are in vitamin

> & pill bottles to keep moisture out, contain silicone. Sure enough, i

> checked in one of my bottles & it said... silica gel & activated

> carbon. Could the silicone shells of my implants be sucking moisture

> out of me?... the thought of this is freaky!

>

> One other quick question... Shouldn't I have started having some of

> these symptoms sooner after implant insertion... or as the implants

> get older, do they start breaking down more & even more prone to

> causing these symptoms.

>

> Thanks for reading my story & again, sorry so long!

> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.... Sasha

>

[Guest guest]

--- Hi, Sasha and welcome to the group! I've had implants for 20

years and just discovered last year why I'm so sick! I have all the

symptoms you mentioned and more. Except the hair loss...my hair is

very thick and stubborn. Maybe it's too stubborn to fall out! lol

There's a list of symptoms of silicone toxicity on the net - just

type in Symptoms of Silicone Poisoning and it will come up for your

perusal.

Again, welcome and if I can help in any way, let me know!

Love 'n Peace,

Sunny

n , " sasha7166 " <sunmoonsasha@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone!

> I am new to this group... am so glad I somehow discovered it.

> Here is my situation, in a nutshell...

>

> I am 42yrs old. I had saline breast implants put in a little over

5yrs

> ago. I'm not sure if they are textured or smooth. During the past

yr,

> I've had some strange symptoms. They may have been going on longer

&

> I just didn't pay attention to it, not sure. I am wondering if

these

> symptoms could be caused by my implants....

>

> -Mouth/throat always very dry

> -Frequent dry eyes, although I do wear contacts

> -Always feel warm & often, downright hot! This may sound weird but

> when I urinate, I can feel that the urine is hot, not just warm(??)

> -Slightly achy joints, especially my neck although I have been much

> more sedentary since Dec 05 when I started a new job which actually

> requires me to sit on my living room couch for hours & write.

> -Racing heart... I think that symptom has been present for a while,

> maybe even before implants... i'm really not sure??

> -Forgetful, difficulty concentrating... very subtle.

> ***Most disturbing of all has been what I would call significant

hair

> loss for a aprroximately 1yr. The hair loss is generalized... all

over

> my head but I've noticed it the most in the front & top of my head

> (maybe b/c that is the area we see the most in the mirror.) On the

top

> front of my head, I have an area that is noticeably thinning where

I

> am starting to see my scalp a little. Also, the last 6mos my hair

has

> been extremely dry, brittle. I don't wash & blow dry it everyday.

> My hair has always been on the thinner & dryer side but definitely

not

> like this. I think that people & drs. are thinking I am crazy but

I

> know these symptoms are real... especially when i see the hair in

the

> shower... it has been a little better recently... but the dryness

is

> awful & meanwhile... i've lost so much hair... VERY upsetting..

>

> I am sorry this is getting long but i'm trying to give an honest

> appraisal & not be to quick to blame it on the implants. I've had

> blood work done, including hormones & thyroid which all came back

> normal. I am currently seeing a dermalolgist for the hair loss...

she

> can't really give me answers. Has been injecting the thinning area

w/

> some type of anti-inflammatory which so far, isn't helping. My

iron

> level did come back on the low side of normal(50) & i've been

taking

> an iron pill. The dr. looked at me strange when i mentioned the

> implants possibly being the cause.

>

> I also stopped the 2 medications I was on, thinking that was the

> cause. I am still trying to investigate other reasons for the dry

> hair/dry mouth thing... but so far, perplexed.

>

> I read somewhere that those little plastic things that are in

vitamin

> & pill bottles to keep moisture out, contain silicone. Sure

enough, i

> checked in one of my bottles & it said... silica gel & activated

> carbon. Could the silicone shells of my implants be sucking

moisture

> out of me?... the thought of this is freaky!

>

> One other quick question... Shouldn't I have started having some of

> these symptoms sooner after implant insertion... or as the implants

> get older, do they start breaking down more & even more prone to

> causing these symptoms.

>

> Thanks for reading my story & again, sorry so long!

> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.... Sasha

>

[Guest guest]

Sasha, It really sounds like all the common implant complaints that we have seen over and over again. I am glad you discovered this group too. I hope you can find the answers you need. I suggest removal of the implants to get your health back. And that means the proper removal...with the implant removed as well as the scar tissue, and the use of drains is recommended as well. The hair loss is a difficult symptom that many women have dealt with, but not so successfully. Some women seem to recover somewhat, but some have continued to deal with bouts of hair loss. It is hard to discover if it is heavy metal toxicity, reproductive hormones, metabolic hormones, mineral deficiencies, essential fatty acids deficiencies????? It can be a very complex issue. You might have to experiment with different supplements, or go

through some testsing to find out what is off. Anyway, you are on a long journey back to health at this point. Take one day at a time, read what you can, and get a plan of action in place. First will be removal of implants correctly, and then you can focus on detoxification and supplementation. Hope this helps, Pattysasha7166 <sunmoonsasha@...> wrote: Hi Everyone! I am new to this group... am so glad I somehow discovered it.Here is my situation, in a nutshell...I am 42yrs old. I had saline breast implants put in a little over 5yrsago. I'm not sure if they are textured or smooth. During the past yr,I've had some strange symptoms. They may have been going on longer & I just didn't pay attention to it,

not sure. I am wondering if these symptoms could be caused by my implants....-Mouth/throat always very dry-Frequent dry eyes, although I do wear contacts-Always feel warm & often, downright hot! This may sound weird but when I urinate, I can feel that the urine is hot, not just warm(??)-Slightly achy joints, especially my neck although I have been much more sedentary since Dec 05 when I started a new job which actually requires me to sit on my living room couch for hours & write.-Racing heart... I think that symptom has been present for a while, maybe even before implants... i'm really not sure??-Forgetful, difficulty concentrating... very subtle.***Most disturbing of all has been what I would call significant hair loss for a aprroximately 1yr. The hair loss is generalized... all over my head but I've noticed it the most in the front & top of my head (maybe b/c that is the area we see the

most in the mirror.) On the top front of my head, I have an area that is noticeably thinning where I am starting to see my scalp a little. Also, the last 6mos my hair has been extremely dry, brittle. I don't wash & blow dry it everyday.My hair has always been on the thinner & dryer side but definitely not like this. I think that people & drs. are thinking I am crazy but I know these symptoms are real... especially when i see the hair in the shower... it has been a little better recently... but the dryness is awful & meanwhile... i've lost so much hair... VERY upsetting..I am sorry this is getting long but i'm trying to give an honest appraisal & not be to quick to blame it on the implants. I've had blood work done, including hormones & thyroid which all came back normal. I am currently seeing a dermalolgist for the hair loss... she can't really give me answers. Has

been injecting the thinning area w/ some type of anti-inflammatory which so far, isn't helping. My iron level did come back on the low side of normal(50) & i've been taking an iron pill. The dr. looked at me strange when i mentioned the implants possibly being the cause. I also stopped the 2 medications I was on, thinking that was the cause. I am still trying to investigate other reasons for the dry hair/dry mouth thing... but so far, perplexed.I read somewhere that those little plastic things that are in vitamin & pill bottles to keep moisture out, contain silicone. Sure enough, i checked in one of my bottles & it said... silica gel & activated carbon. Could the silicone shells of my implants be sucking moisture out of me?... the thought of this is freaky!One other quick question... Shouldn't I have started having some of these symptoms sooner after implant

insertion... or as the implants get older, do they start breaking down more & even more prone to causing these symptoms.Thanks for reading my story & again, sorry so long!Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.... Sasha

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[Guest guest]

Sasha,

I also have every symptom you have to the tee. I also have others tingling in hands and feet, stiff neck, pains in joints, sinus, irritable bowel, sick all the time, low grade fever daily, my tongue feels thick always. I know that this is my breast implants, I got symptoms shortly after my BA, but I have been told I am nuts by doctors, laughed at etc. I would strongly suggest getting them removed with en-bloc procedure.

Donna