Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Yes, I have had several tests recently, and all are in the " normal " range. A year ago my thyroid was at 3.0 and I was so sluggish, gained 10 pounds, felt depressed, etc. That was also in the " normal " range, but not normal for me. I am now losing that 10 pounds and feel much more like me. I had a couple of different tests to see if they were in the proper range. Unfortunately my doctor seems to think if my tests are in the " normal " range, that everything is OK, so I have to keep track of this myself and try to keep it where it belongs for me. Lynda At 10:43 PM 5/19/2006, you wrote: >It is in no way meaningful to assess the thyroid based upon just one >value. In fact, the PROPER way is to perform a complete thyroid >panel, something very few non-endocrinologists do and, then, to >interpret it as follows.... One wants to see all the values be in >the midline of normal limits. In other words, if one value is at the >high end of normal and another at the low end of normal, it's best >to pay close attention to that thyroid and view it as abnormal. >Regrettably, most physicians will call that normal because the >values are within normal range. > >I do not believe that ANY physician evaluates thyroid status based >upon one value. > Sherry (a retired physician) > Re: Re: Explanting July 12th Gigi > >I recently read that they now consider a thyroid of 3.0 as clinically >low, and anything above 2.0 as suspicious. > >My doctors have told me that women should try to keep their thyroid >between 1 and 2. Mine is now at .5 and I feel better than I have in >quite a while. > >Lynda > > >At 09:42 PM 5/19/2006, you wrote: > >Cherie, > > > >I had my thyroid checked and fell within the normal range, although > >I'd like to compare it against tests I had for my thyroid before > >implants and see if it's any different. The reference range was > >between .40 and 5.50, and I was at 3.09. The doctor said she likes > >to see people's range more in the area of 2.0, and in the future we > >might consider Armor Thyroid if I don't notice any changes after > >starting the supplements. > > > >Thanks for the compliment, too. It helps me to help people going > >through what we did. You're not so bad yourself at this!!! > > > >Sis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donna, I didn't need a lift. I had them in for 6 > >months, > > > > went > > > > > > > from an > > > > > > > > A or B cup depending on the bra, to a C cup. I was > >bigger > > > > > than > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > wanted to be, and honestly the whole thing felt like > >such > > > a > > > > > > > > nightmare. I remember waking up with these huge boobs > >and > > > > the > > > > > > > > dressing was so tight it was horrible, and I was in so > > > much > > > > > > pain. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > kept throwing up and they wouldn't let me leave the > > > > hospital. > > > > > > > Then > > > > > > > > about a week later I started getting sick and I was > > > > like " what > > > > > > > have I > > > > > > > > done? " I had this rash all over my chest, my armpits > >were > > > > > like > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > wells and the razor couldn't reach them. My lymph nodes > > > in > > > > my > > > > > > > arms > > > > > > > > and legs were extremely sore, and I was running a low > > > grade > > > > > > > fever. At > > > > > > > > four months the joint swelling got really bad, I had > > > > terrible > > > > > > > > headaches, my blood pressure was suddenly very high, my > > > > > fingers > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > toes were numb, my bones ached. I went to see my > >plastic > > > > > > surgeon > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > I was crying in his office, asking him if he would take > > > them > > > > > > out, > > > > > > > > telling him what my symptoms were. Honestly he was very > > > > > > > comforting, > > > > > > > > and said he would take them out if that's what I wanted, > > > but > > > > > he > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > admit that it was the implants. For some odd reason he > > > > > admitted > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > there was someone else in his office that very same day, > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > complaints, crying, begging him to remove the implants. > > > She > > > > > had > > > > > > > hers > > > > > > > > in one year at the time and had been sick for about 6 > > > > months, > > > > > I > > > > > > > > think. I was going to school full-time, and I remember > > > one > > > > of > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > teachers telling us about Business Ethics, and I > >couldn't > > > > help > > > > > > > > thinking about how the companies that manufacture > >implants > > > > > have > > > > > > > > absolutely no business ethics but yet they are still in > > > > > business > > > > > > > (and > > > > > > > > honestly I think some of the plastic surgeons are in > > > denial, > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > this one's wife was a breast cancer survivor and she had > > > > > > > implants). > > > > > > > > His wife tried to talk me out of having them removed, > >and > > > I > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > want him removing them because they wouldn't admit they > > > were > > > > > > > making me > > > > > > > > sick, and I didn't trust that he would take all the > > > capsule > > > > > out, > > > > > > > nor > > > > > > > > that he would perform the en bloc procedure. He said > >the > > > > > > surgery > > > > > > > > would take an hour, and Dr. Feng said it would take two > >or > > > > > three > > > > > > > > hours, so I went with my instincts and even though it > >cost > > > > me > > > > > > alot > > > > > > > > more to go with Dr. Feng, I wanted someone who knew they > > > > made > > > > > me > > > > > > > sick, > > > > > > > > and who I could count on to remove the capsules. Plus I > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > > someone experienced in doing explants without > > > replacements, > > > > > and > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > has done thousands. My results are proof of that, > >because > > > > she > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > did an excellent job. I had my explant in November, and > > > the > > > > > > pain > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > so much less than getting implants. I was in some pain > > > the > > > > > > first > > > > > > > day, > > > > > > > > but after that the pain was minimal, and the drains > >really > > > > > > helped > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > that I'm sure because there was no swelling. I had alot > > > of > > > > > > > fatigue, > > > > > > > > though, and I'm sure that's because my body had been > > > through > > > > > > alot > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > six short months. I look almost like I did before > > > implants, > > > > > and > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > scars are well placed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I look back at pictures of me during those six months > >with > > > > > > > implants, > > > > > > > > and I had such a haunted look in my eyes. I remember my > > > > skin > > > > > > > looked a > > > > > > > > funny color, too, kind of grayish. I looked like the > > > > walking > > > > > > > dead, > > > > > > > > and I guess that's how I felt, too. Since it was just > >one > > > > > year > > > > > > > ago > > > > > > > > since I got them, I'm really reliving it alot lately. I > > > > know > > > > > in > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > I'll get past this, and I know you will, too. Just have > > > > faith > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > patience, and when your implants are out, look in the > > > mirror > > > > > as > > > > > > I > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > now and say " ahhhh, THAT'S the real me!! " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , BSBanshee1@ > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sis, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OMG that surgeon of yours sound so much like mine. I > > > > can't > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > they get > > > > > > > > > by with this stuff. It is so awful I am so sorry to > >hear > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > Did > > > > > > > > you get a > > > > > > > > > lift with explant Sis??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, >Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: ><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.co\ m/action/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Lynda, That's really good to know. I have to visit my regular MD soon for an unrelated reason, so I'm going to ask for copies of the bloodwork I had there over the past year. I had bloodwork run there right before I got my implants, although I can't recall if I had a TSH run - I know I had that run within a few months after getting implants. Sis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donna, I didn't need a lift. I had them in for 6 > >months, > > > > went > > > > > > > from an > > > > > > > > A or B cup depending on the bra, to a C cup. I was > >bigger > > > > > than > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > wanted to be, and honestly the whole thing felt like > >such > > > a > > > > > > > > nightmare. I remember waking up with these huge boobs > >and > > > > the > > > > > > > > dressing was so tight it was horrible, and I was in so > > > much > > > > > > pain. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > kept throwing up and they wouldn't let me leave the > > > > hospital. > > > > > > > Then > > > > > > > > about a week later I started getting sick and I was > > > > like " what > > > > > > > have I > > > > > > > > done? " I had this rash all over my chest, my armpits > >were > > > > > like > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > wells and the razor couldn't reach them. My lymph nodes > > > in > > > > my > > > > > > > arms > > > > > > > > and legs were extremely sore, and I was running a low > > > grade > > > > > > > fever. At > > > > > > > > four months the joint swelling got really bad, I had > > > > terrible > > > > > > > > headaches, my blood pressure was suddenly very high, my > > > > > fingers > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > toes were numb, my bones ached. I went to see my > >plastic > > > > > > surgeon > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > I was crying in his office, asking him if he would take > > > them > > > > > > out, > > > > > > > > telling him what my symptoms were. Honestly he was very > > > > > > > comforting, > > > > > > > > and said he would take them out if that's what I wanted, > > > but > > > > > he > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > admit that it was the implants. For some odd reason he > > > > > admitted > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > there was someone else in his office that very same day, > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > complaints, crying, begging him to remove the implants. > > > She > > > > > had > > > > > > > hers > > > > > > > > in one year at the time and had been sick for about 6 > > > > months, > > > > > I > > > > > > > > think. I was going to school full-time, and I remember > > > one > > > > of > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > teachers telling us about Business Ethics, and I > >couldn't > > > > help > > > > > > > > thinking about how the companies that manufacture > >implants > > > > > have > > > > > > > > absolutely no business ethics but yet they are still in > > > > > business > > > > > > > (and > > > > > > > > honestly I think some of the plastic surgeons are in > > > denial, > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > this one's wife was a breast cancer survivor and she had > > > > > > > implants). > > > > > > > > His wife tried to talk me out of having them removed, > >and > > > I > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > want him removing them because they wouldn't admit they > > > were > > > > > > > making me > > > > > > > > sick, and I didn't trust that he would take all the > > > capsule > > > > > out, > > > > > > > nor > > > > > > > > that he would perform the en bloc procedure. He said > >the > > > > > > surgery > > > > > > > > would take an hour, and Dr. Feng said it would take two > >or > > > > > three > > > > > > > > hours, so I went with my instincts and even though it > >cost > > > > me > > > > > > alot > > > > > > > > more to go with Dr. Feng, I wanted someone who knew they > > > > made > > > > > me > > > > > > > sick, > > > > > > > > and who I could count on to remove the capsules. Plus I > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > > someone experienced in doing explants without > > > replacements, > > > > > and > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > has done thousands. My results are proof of that, > >because > > > > she > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > did an excellent job. I had my explant in November, and > > > the > > > > > > pain > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > so much less than getting implants. I was in some pain > > > the > > > > > > first > > > > > > > day, > > > > > > > > but after that the pain was minimal, and the drains > >really > > > > > > helped > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > that I'm sure because there was no swelling. I had alot > > > of > > > > > > > fatigue, > > > > > > > > though, and I'm sure that's because my body had been > > > through > > > > > > alot > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > six short months. I look almost like I did before > > > implants, > > > > > and > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > scars are well placed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I look back at pictures of me during those six months > >with > > > > > > > implants, > > > > > > > > and I had such a haunted look in my eyes. I remember my > > > > skin > > > > > > > looked a > > > > > > > > funny color, too, kind of grayish. I looked like the > > > > walking > > > > > > > dead, > > > > > > > > and I guess that's how I felt, too. Since it was just > >one > > > > > year > > > > > > > ago > > > > > > > > since I got them, I'm really reliving it alot lately. I > > > > know > > > > > in > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > I'll get past this, and I know you will, too. Just have > > > > faith > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > patience, and when your implants are out, look in the > > > mirror > > > > > as > > > > > > I > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > now and say " ahhhh, THAT'S the real me!! " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , BSBanshee1@ > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sis, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OMG that surgeon of yours sound so much like mine. I > > > > can't > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > they get > > > > > > > > > by with this stuff. It is so awful I am so sorry to > >hear > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > Did > > > > > > > > you get a > > > > > > > > > lift with explant Sis??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given > >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or > >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, > >Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > >See our photos website! 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Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Sis, Be prepared that most doctors are not yet up to date with this very new info. Lynda At 05:34 AM 5/20/2006, you wrote: >Lynda, > >That's really good to know. I have to visit my regular MD soon for >an unrelated reason, so I'm going to ask for copies of the bloodwork >I had there over the past year. I had bloodwork run there right >before I got my implants, although I can't recall if I had a TSH >run - I know I had that run within a few months after getting >implants. > >Sis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donna, I didn't need a lift. I had them in for 6 > > >months, > > > > > went > > > > > > > > from an > > > > > > > > > A or B cup depending on the bra, to a C cup. I was > > >bigger > > > > > > than > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > wanted to be, and honestly the whole thing felt like > > >such > > > > a > > > > > > > > > nightmare. I remember waking up with these huge >boobs > > >and > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > dressing was so tight it was horrible, and I was in >so > > > > much > > > > > > > pain. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > kept throwing up and they wouldn't let me leave the > > > > > hospital. > > > > > > > > Then > > > > > > > > > about a week later I started getting sick and I was > > > > > like " what > > > > > > > > have I > > > > > > > > > done? " I had this rash all over my chest, my armpits > > >were > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > wells and the razor couldn't reach them. My lymph >nodes > > > > in > > > > > my > > > > > > > > arms > > > > > > > > > and legs were extremely sore, and I was running a low > > > > grade > > > > > > > > fever. At > > > > > > > > > four months the joint swelling got really bad, I had > > > > > terrible > > > > > > > > > headaches, my blood pressure was suddenly very high, >my > > > > > > fingers > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > toes were numb, my bones ached. I went to see my > > >plastic > > > > > > > surgeon > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > I was crying in his office, asking him if he would >take > > > > them > > > > > > > out, > > > > > > > > > telling him what my symptoms were. Honestly he was >very > > > > > > > > comforting, > > > > > > > > > and said he would take them out if that's what I >wanted, > > > > but > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > admit that it was the implants. For some odd reason >he > > > > > > admitted > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > there was someone else in his office that very same >day, > > > > > with > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > complaints, crying, begging him to remove the >implants. > > > > She > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > hers > > > > > > > > > in one year at the time and had been sick for about 6 > > > > > months, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > think. I was going to school full-time, and I >remember > > > > one > > > > > of > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > teachers telling us about Business Ethics, and I > > >couldn't > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > thinking about how the companies that manufacture > > >implants > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > absolutely no business ethics but yet they are still >in > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > (and > > > > > > > > > honestly I think some of the plastic surgeons are in > > > > denial, > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > this one's wife was a breast cancer survivor and she >had > > > > > > > > implants). > > > > > > > > > His wife tried to talk me out of having them removed, > > >and > > > > I > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > want him removing them because they wouldn't admit >they > > > > were > > > > > > > > making me > > > > > > > > > sick, and I didn't trust that he would take all the > > > > capsule > > > > > > out, > > > > > > > > nor > > > > > > > > > that he would perform the en bloc procedure. He said > > >the > > > > > > > surgery > > > > > > > > > would take an hour, and Dr. Feng said it would take >two > > >or > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > hours, so I went with my instincts and even though it > > >cost > > > > > me > > > > > > > alot > > > > > > > > > more to go with Dr. Feng, I wanted someone who knew >they > > > > > made > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > sick, > > > > > > > > > and who I could count on to remove the capsules. >Plus I > > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > > > someone experienced in doing explants without > > > > replacements, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > has done thousands. My results are proof of that, > > >because > > > > > she > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > did an excellent job. I had my explant in November, >and > > > > the > > > > > > > pain > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > so much less than getting implants. I was in some >pain > > > > the > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > day, > > > > > > > > > but after that the pain was minimal, and the drains > > >really > > > > > > > helped > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > that I'm sure because there was no swelling. I had >alot > > > > of > > > > > > > > fatigue, > > > > > > > > > though, and I'm sure that's because my body had been > > > > through > > > > > > > alot > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > six short months. I look almost like I did before > > > > implants, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > scars are well placed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I look back at pictures of me during those six months > > >with > > > > > > > > implants, > > > > > > > > > and I had such a haunted look in my eyes. I >remember my > > > > > skin > > > > > > > > looked a > > > > > > > > > funny color, too, kind of grayish. I looked like the > > > > > walking > > > > > > > > dead, > > > > > > > > > and I guess that's how I felt, too. Since it was >just > > >one > > > > > > year > > > > > > > > ago > > > > > > > > > since I got them, I'm really reliving it alot >lately. I > > > > > know > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > I'll get past this, and I know you will, too. Just >have > > > > > faith > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > patience, and when your implants are out, look in the > > > > mirror > > > > > > as > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > now and say " ahhhh, THAT'S the real me!! " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , BSBanshee1@ > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sis, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OMG that surgeon of yours sound so much like >mine. I > > > > > can't > > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > they get > > > > > > > > > > by with this stuff. It is so awful I am so sorry to > > >hear > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > Did > > > > > > > > > you get a > > > > > > > > > > lift with explant Sis??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice >given > > >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or > > >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical >treatment. > > > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > > >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > > >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > > >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner >(1954, > > >Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: > > > ><<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://. > shutterfly.com/action/>http://.sh >utterfly.com/action/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Lynda, This doctor has actually been through the ups and downs of implants with me, but she won't come out and say they're the problem (and she won't come right out and say they aren't). She's been very supportive through this whole thing, though. I figure if I decide to work on the thyroid, it will be through the holistic doctor I'm going to. I've gone through the frustration of being told " it's not the implants " with other doctors so I use the MD's for things that I need them for, the I use alternative practioners for the rest. Sis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donna, I didn't need a lift. I had them in for 6 > > > >months, > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > > from an > > > > > > > > > > A or B cup depending on the bra, to a C cup. I was > > > >bigger > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > wanted to be, and honestly the whole thing felt like > > > >such > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > nightmare. I remember waking up with these huge > >boobs > > > >and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > dressing was so tight it was horrible, and I was in > >so > > > > > much > > > > > > > > pain. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > kept throwing up and they wouldn't let me leave the > > > > > > hospital. > > > > > > > > > Then > > > > > > > > > > about a week later I started getting sick and I was > > > > > > like " what > > > > > > > > > have I > > > > > > > > > > done? " I had this rash all over my chest, my armpits > > > >were > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > wells and the razor couldn't reach them. My lymph > >nodes > > > > > in > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > arms > > > > > > > > > > and legs were extremely sore, and I was running a low > > > > > grade > > > > > > > > > fever. At > > > > > > > > > > four months the joint swelling got really bad, I had > > > > > > terrible > > > > > > > > > > headaches, my blood pressure was suddenly very high, > >my > > > > > > > fingers > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > toes were numb, my bones ached. I went to see my > > > >plastic > > > > > > > > surgeon > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > I was crying in his office, asking him if he would > >take > > > > > them > > > > > > > > out, > > > > > > > > > > telling him what my symptoms were. Honestly he was > >very > > > > > > > > > comforting, > > > > > > > > > > and said he would take them out if that's what I > >wanted, > > > > > but > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > > admit that it was the implants. For some odd reason > >he > > > > > > > admitted > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > there was someone else in his office that very same > >day, > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > complaints, crying, begging him to remove the > >implants. > > > > > She > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > hers > > > > > > > > > > in one year at the time and had been sick for about 6 > > > > > > months, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > think. I was going to school full-time, and I > >remember > > > > > one > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > teachers telling us about Business Ethics, and I > > > >couldn't > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > thinking about how the companies that manufacture > > > >implants > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > absolutely no business ethics but yet they are still > >in > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > (and > > > > > > > > > > honestly I think some of the plastic surgeons are in > > > > > denial, > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > this one's wife was a breast cancer survivor and she > >had > > > > > > > > > implants). > > > > > > > > > > His wife tried to talk me out of having them removed, > > > >and > > > > > I > > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > > want him removing them because they wouldn't admit > >they > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > making me > > > > > > > > > > sick, and I didn't trust that he would take all the > > > > > capsule > > > > > > > out, > > > > > > > > > nor > > > > > > > > > > that he would perform the en bloc procedure. He said > > > >the > > > > > > > > surgery > > > > > > > > > > would take an hour, and Dr. Feng said it would take > >two > > > >or > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > hours, so I went with my instincts and even though it > > > >cost > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > alot > > > > > > > > > > more to go with Dr. Feng, I wanted someone who knew > >they > > > > > > made > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > sick, > > > > > > > > > > and who I could count on to remove the capsules. > >Plus I > > > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > > > > someone experienced in doing explants without > > > > > replacements, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > has done thousands. My results are proof of that, > > > >because > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > did an excellent job. I had my explant in November, > >and > > > > > the > > > > > > > > pain > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > so much less than getting implants. I was in some > >pain > > > > > the > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > day, > > > > > > > > > > but after that the pain was minimal, and the drains > > > >really > > > > > > > > helped > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > that I'm sure because there was no swelling. I had > >alot > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > fatigue, > > > > > > > > > > though, and I'm sure that's because my body had been > > > > > through > > > > > > > > alot > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > six short months. I look almost like I did before > > > > > implants, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > scars are well placed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I look back at pictures of me during those six months > > > >with > > > > > > > > > implants, > > > > > > > > > > and I had such a haunted look in my eyes. I > >remember my > > > > > > skin > > > > > > > > > looked a > > > > > > > > > > funny color, too, kind of grayish. I looked like the > > > > > > walking > > > > > > > > > dead, > > > > > > > > > > and I guess that's how I felt, too. Since it was > >just > > > >one > > > > > > > year > > > > > > > > > ago > > > > > > > > > > since I got them, I'm really reliving it alot > >lately. I > > > > > > know > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > I'll get past this, and I know you will, too. Just > >have > > > > > > faith > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > patience, and when your implants are out, look in the > > > > > mirror > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > now and say " ahhhh, THAT'S the real me!! " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , BSBanshee1@ > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sis, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OMG that surgeon of yours sound so much like > >mine. I > > > > > > can't > > > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > > they get > > > > > > > > > > > by with this stuff. It is so awful I am so sorry to > > > >hear > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > Did > > > > > > > > > > you get a > > > > > > > > > > > lift with explant Sis??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice > >given > > > >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or > > > >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical > >treatment. > > > > > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > > > >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > > > >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > > > >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner > >(1954, > > > >Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > > > > >See our photos website! 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Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 I'm with you, alternative saved my life. Lynda At 05:18 PM 5/20/2006, you wrote: >Lynda, > >This doctor has actually been through the ups and downs of implants >with me, but she won't come out and say they're the problem (and she >won't come right out and say they aren't). She's been very >supportive through this whole thing, though. I figure if I decide >to work on the thyroid, it will be through the holistic doctor I'm >going to. I've gone through the frustration of being told " it's not >the implants " with other doctors so I use the MD's for things that I >need them for, the I use alternative practioners for the rest. > >Sis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donna, I didn't need a lift. I had them in for 6 > > > > >months, > > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > > > from an > > > > > > > > > > > A or B cup depending on the bra, to a C cup. I >was > > > > >bigger > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > wanted to be, and honestly the whole thing felt >like > > > > >such > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > nightmare. I remember waking up with these huge > > >boobs > > > > >and > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > dressing was so tight it was horrible, and I was >in > > >so > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > pain. > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > kept throwing up and they wouldn't let me leave >the > > > > > > > hospital. > > > > > > > > > > Then > > > > > > > > > > > about a week later I started getting sick and I >was > > > > > > > like " what > > > > > > > > > > have I > > > > > > > > > > > done? " I had this rash all over my chest, my >armpits > > > > >were > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > wells and the razor couldn't reach them. My >lymph > > >nodes > > > > > > in > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > arms > > > > > > > > > > > and legs were extremely sore, and I was running >a low > > > > > > grade > > > > > > > > > > fever. At > > > > > > > > > > > four months the joint swelling got really bad, I >had > > > > > > > terrible > > > > > > > > > > > headaches, my blood pressure was suddenly very >high, > > >my > > > > > > > > fingers > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > toes were numb, my bones ached. I went to see my > > > > >plastic > > > > > > > > > surgeon > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > I was crying in his office, asking him if he >would > > >take > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > out, > > > > > > > > > > > telling him what my symptoms were. Honestly he >was > > >very > > > > > > > > > > comforting, > > > > > > > > > > > and said he would take them out if that's what I > > >wanted, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > > > admit that it was the implants. For some odd >reason > > >he > > > > > > > > admitted > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > there was someone else in his office that very >same > > >day, > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > complaints, crying, begging him to remove the > > >implants. > > > > > > She > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > hers > > > > > > > > > > > in one year at the time and had been sick for >about 6 > > > > > > > months, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > think. I was going to school full-time, and I > > >remember > > > > > > one > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > teachers telling us about Business Ethics, and I > > > > >couldn't > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > thinking about how the companies that manufacture > > > > >implants > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > absolutely no business ethics but yet they are >still > > >in > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > (and > > > > > > > > > > > honestly I think some of the plastic surgeons >are in > > > > > > denial, > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > this one's wife was a breast cancer survivor and >she > > >had > > > > > > > > > > implants). > > > > > > > > > > > His wife tried to talk me out of having them >removed, > > > > >and > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > > > want him removing them because they wouldn't >admit > > >they > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > making me > > > > > > > > > > > sick, and I didn't trust that he would take all >the > > > > > > capsule > > > > > > > > out, > > > > > > > > > > nor > > > > > > > > > > > that he would perform the en bloc procedure. He >said > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > surgery > > > > > > > > > > > would take an hour, and Dr. Feng said it would >take > > >two > > > > >or > > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > > hours, so I went with my instincts and even >though it > > > > >cost > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > alot > > > > > > > > > > > more to go with Dr. Feng, I wanted someone who >knew > > >they > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > sick, > > > > > > > > > > > and who I could count on to remove the capsules. > > >Plus I > > > > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > > > > > someone experienced in doing explants without > > > > > > replacements, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > > has done thousands. My results are proof of >that, > > > > >because > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > did an excellent job. I had my explant in >November, > > >and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > pain > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > so much less than getting implants. I was in >some > > >pain > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > day, > > > > > > > > > > > but after that the pain was minimal, and the >drains > > > > >really > > > > > > > > > helped > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > that I'm sure because there was no swelling. I >had > > >alot > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > fatigue, > > > > > > > > > > > though, and I'm sure that's because my body had >been > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > alot > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > six short months. I look almost like I did >before > > > > > > implants, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > scars are well placed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I look back at pictures of me during those six >months > > > > >with > > > > > > > > > > implants, > > > > > > > > > > > and I had such a haunted look in my eyes. I > > >remember my > > > > > > > skin > > > > > > > > > > looked a > > > > > > > > > > > funny color, too, kind of grayish. I looked >like the > > > > > > > walking > > > > > > > > > > dead, > > > > > > > > > > > and I guess that's how I felt, too. Since it was > > >just > > > > >one > > > > > > > > year > > > > > > > > > > ago > > > > > > > > > > > since I got them, I'm really reliving it alot > > >lately. I > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > I'll get past this, and I know you will, too. >Just > > >have > > > > > > > faith > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > patience, and when your implants are out, look >in the > > > > > > mirror > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > now and say " ahhhh, THAT'S the real me!! " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , >BSBanshee1@ > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sis, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OMG that surgeon of yours sound so much like > > >mine. I > > > > > > > can't > > > > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > > > they get > > > > > > > > > > > > by with this stuff. It is so awful I am so >sorry to > > > > >hear > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > Did > > > > > > > > > > > you get a > > > > > > > > > > > > lift with explant Sis??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice > > >given > > > > >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician >or > > > > >licensed health care professional before commencing any >medical > > >treatment. > > > > > > > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > > > > >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > > > > >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > > > > >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner > > >(1954, > > > > >Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > > > > > > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this >link: > > > > > > > > ><<<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http:// > .shutterfly.com/action/>http://. > > > shutterfly.com/action/><http://.sh>http://.sh > > >utterfly.com/action/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Sherry thank you for your input - my ND ran ferritin and free T(3 or 4??) my values fell at the bottom of the normal range for both. An MD would call that normal, but he thought I would benefit from the Westhroid, and I think he was right. I don't think I am familiar with your story. Have you been sick from implants, or are you just here to help? Cherie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donna, I didn't need a lift. I had them in for 6 > >months, > > > > went > > > > > > > from an > > > > > > > > A or B cup depending on the bra, to a C cup. I was > >bigger > > > > > than > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > wanted to be, and honestly the whole thing felt like > >such > > > a > > > > > > > > nightmare. I remember waking up with these huge boobs > >and > > > > the > > > > > > > > dressing was so tight it was horrible, and I was in so > > > much > > > > > > pain. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > kept throwing up and they wouldn't let me leave the > > > > hospital. > > > > > > > Then > > > > > > > > about a week later I started getting sick and I was > > > > like " what > > > > > > > have I > > > > > > > > done? " I had this rash all over my chest, my armpits > >were > > > > > like > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > wells and the razor couldn't reach them. My lymph nodes > > > in > > > > my > > > > > > > arms > > > > > > > > and legs were extremely sore, and I was running a low > > > grade > > > > > > > fever. At > > > > > > > > four months the joint swelling got really bad, I had > > > > terrible > > > > > > > > headaches, my blood pressure was suddenly very high, my > > > > > fingers > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > toes were numb, my bones ached. I went to see my > >plastic > > > > > > surgeon > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > I was crying in his office, asking him if he would take > > > them > > > > > > out, > > > > > > > > telling him what my symptoms were. Honestly he was very > > > > > > > comforting, > > > > > > > > and said he would take them out if that's what I wanted, > > > but > > > > > he > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > admit that it was the implants. For some odd reason he > > > > > admitted > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > there was someone else in his office that very same day, > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > complaints, crying, begging him to remove the implants. > > > She > > > > > had > > > > > > > hers > > > > > > > > in one year at the time and had been sick for about 6 > > > > months, > > > > > I > > > > > > > > think. I was going to school full-time, and I remember > > > one > > > > of > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > teachers telling us about Business Ethics, and I > >couldn't > > > > help > > > > > > > > thinking about how the companies that manufacture > >implants > > > > > have > > > > > > > > absolutely no business ethics but yet they are still in > > > > > business > > > > > > > (and > > > > > > > > honestly I think some of the plastic surgeons are in > > > denial, > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > this one's wife was a breast cancer survivor and she had > > > > > > > implants). > > > > > > > > His wife tried to talk me out of having them removed, > >and > > > I > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > want him removing them because they wouldn't admit they > > > were > > > > > > > making me > > > > > > > > sick, and I didn't trust that he would take all the > > > capsule > > > > > out, > > > > > > > nor > > > > > > > > that he would perform the en bloc procedure. He said > >the > > > > > > surgery > > > > > > > > would take an hour, and Dr. Feng said it would take two > >or > > > > > three > > > > > > > > hours, so I went with my instincts and even though it > >cost > > > > me > > > > > > alot > > > > > > > > more to go with Dr. Feng, I wanted someone who knew they > > > > made > > > > > me > > > > > > > sick, > > > > > > > > and who I could count on to remove the capsules. Plus I > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > > someone experienced in doing explants without > > > replacements, > > > > > and > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > has done thousands. My results are proof of that, > >because > > > > she > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > did an excellent job. I had my explant in November, and > > > the > > > > > > pain > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > so much less than getting implants. I was in some pain > > > the > > > > > > first > > > > > > > day, > > > > > > > > but after that the pain was minimal, and the drains > >really > > > > > > helped > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > that I'm sure because there was no swelling. I had alot > > > of > > > > > > > fatigue, > > > > > > > > though, and I'm sure that's because my body had been > > > through > > > > > > alot > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > six short months. I look almost like I did before > > > implants, > > > > > and > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > scars are well placed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I look back at pictures of me during those six months > >with > > > > > > > implants, > > > > > > > > and I had such a haunted look in my eyes. I remember my > > > > skin > > > > > > > looked a > > > > > > > > funny color, too, kind of grayish. I looked like the > > > > walking > > > > > > > dead, > > > > > > > > and I guess that's how I felt, too. Since it was just > >one > > > > > year > > > > > > > ago > > > > > > > > since I got them, I'm really reliving it alot lately. I > > > > know > > > > > in > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > I'll get past this, and I know you will, too. Just have > > > > faith > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > patience, and when your implants are out, look in the > > > mirror > > > > > as > > > > > > I > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > now and say " ahhhh, THAT'S the real me!! " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , BSBanshee1@ > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sis, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OMG that surgeon of yours sound so much like mine. I > > > > can't > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > they get > > > > > > > > > by with this stuff. It is so awful I am so sorry to > >hear > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > Did > > > > > > > > you get a > > > > > > > > > lift with explant Sis??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Hi Cherie, Another thyroid victim! There are so many of us. Were you tested for Hashimoto's? Coconut oil acts as an anti-fungal, amongst other things. It is great to cook with, and is a wonderful moisturizer too. Some people take it by spoon everyday just to get a dose of good fats. I believe it is the lauric acid that is the anti-fungal. Here's some info: "Approximately 50% of the fatty acids in coconut fat are lauric acid. Lauric acid is a medium chain fatty acid, which has the additional beneficial function of being formed into monolaurin in the human or animal body. Monolaurin is the anti-viral, antibacterial, and antiprotozoal monoglyceride used by the human or animal to destroy lipid coated viruses such as HIV, herpes, cytomegalovirus, influenza, various pathogenic bacteria including listeria monocytogenes and heliobacter pylori, and protozoa such as giardia lamblia. Some studies have also shown some antimicrobial effects of the free lauric acid." As a "functional food," coconut oil is now being recognized by the medical community as a powerful tool against immune diseases. Several studies have been done on its effectiveness, and much research is currently being done on the incredible nutritional value of pure coconut oil. http://www.coconut-info.com/ I'd love to have some pictures to post. You can do it yourself by just setting up a shutterfly account, and then going to our webpage on shutterfly and adding the pics to an album or creating a new one of your own. www.shutterfly.com That's the link that will get you started. After you have your own ID, then you can go to http://.shutterfly.com/action/ and after you put in the password implants you can add your pictures. PattyCherie <funhome2@...> wrote: Sisyou may have mentioned, but did you have your thyroid levels checked? I think that when Dr. Leu detected that and put me on Westhroid, that made a big difference for me - after about four weeks of taking it. For the yeast, it was a combination of oregano and another pill - I think it began with a B. I hope you find what really works for you soon. What does the coconut oil do? I have been experiencing a relapse of pain and read about potatoes being a nightshade vegetable which contains solanine, which can cause inflammation in some people. I had a couple meals last weekend with potatoes, and decided to lay off and see what happens. When I told my husband about potatoes now, he just said "what next!!" I would like to post some pictures to the photos section, but I can't seem to figure out how to do it. I should ask Patty about that one.It really is wonderful to see you giving support to so many girls here. Keep up the good work!!Cherie Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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