Re: Seeking, Searching, hopefully finding

May 18, 2006

Melinda,

I'm thrilled to hear you're doing so much better! . .

.. It does take dedication and time . . . You're proof

that one can do it! Congradulations! I hope you make

all your former doctors eat their words!

I don't know anything about the doctor you're seeking,

but if it's tests for you, check this website:

http://www.expertox.com/pg_articles.html

Dr. Lykissa is doing testing that is above and beyond

what most doctors do - and he understands the silicone

issues very well.

Hugs,

Rogene

May 18, 2006

Melinda,

Are you the same Melinda who lives in California, who was explanted

probably about 6 or 7 months ago? I'm not familiar with the doctor

you're asking about, but if you're the same Melinda, then I remember

you and think of you often. I think Dr. Lykissa tests for metals,

though, and if this particular doctor won't order these tests, maybe

you can find a naturopath or someone who will.

Sis

--- In , " Melinda " <askydaughter@...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Saline Sisters,

>

> I have not posted in a very, very long time, though I am very

grateful for all of you and this

> forum. It is an honor to be connected with you.

>

> I need help and I'm sincerely hoping one or more of you can assist

me. I am already very

> grateful at the sheer prospect of it!

>

> I'll not get into my long history with silicone and saline

implants -- simply it began in

> 1974, 13 surgeries, testimony before the FDA, almost died 2 times,

lost a lot of living,

> almost lost my kids, ended up on SSI and then the day came where I

said " Enough! " and I

> delved deeply into any alternative healling method I could find

that worked for me. Today

> I am sooooooo much better compared to the near cripple I was. I

am very grateful to God

> and friends and caring people.

>

> To do this getting better I had to choose to remain near

impoverished because insurance

> of any kind does not cover alternative methods of healing and the

monthly costs made it

> impossible for me to live on my own anymore.

>

> I am so incredibly grateful many, though not all, of my medical

tests are coming back as

> " normal " and delighted the doctors are in awe, wondering how I did

it without their

> medicines. I'm just going with what worked for me. It's not

everyone's path.

>

> What I am concerned with now is trying to find a doctor who was

once very outspoken

> about silicone and saline. His name was, I think, Craig Dykgraf

(sp?) and he was in

> Southfield, Michigan. He was an occupational/environmental

physician who once worked

> for Dow and then left them to treat their employees who were

becoming sick from making

> implants as well as women who had them inserted into their bodies.

>

> I need a " metals " blood test. I know this doctor treated me years

ago and took such tests

> and I cannot find him. I need a comparative study done and as

well my present clinic

> doctor, who is new to the game of medicine, will not order a

metals test unless he sees

> cause. I can tell him cause until I'm blue in the face but

without some proof (and with all

> the moving I've done from here to there I don't know where I put

my records) that it is

> necessary I cannot get it done and paid for by my insurance. Dr.

Dykgraf would be the

> one to offer what I need.

>

> Do any of you know of him and/or where he might be? If anyone

does I would so

> appreciate the information.

>

> Keep on keepin' on because we are shiners of love as we've been

blessed to learn just how

> important and significant that is.

>

> May the Blessings Be.

>

> Most Sincerely,

> Melinda

> aSkydaughter@...

> mandalai@... (most used)

>

May 19, 2006

MELINDA, THIS MIGHT BE WHO YOU ARE SEARCHING FOR DR.CRAIG DYKGRAAF IN GRAND RAPIDS MI. (616)363-7771,

EMAIL : C.DYKGRAAF@... WEBSITE: DNDYKGRAAF.SPINE.PHYSICIAN.ORG Melinda <askydaughter@...> wrote: LISA Dear Saline Sisters,I have not posted in a very, very long time, though I am very grateful for all of you and this forum. It is an honor to be connected with

you.I need help and I'm sincerely hoping one or more of you can assist me. I am already very grateful at the sheer prospect of it!I'll not get into my long history with silicone and saline implants -- simply it began in 1974, 13 surgeries, testimony before the FDA, almost died 2 times, lost a lot of living, almost lost my kids, ended up on SSI and then the day came where I said "Enough!" and I delved deeply into any alternative healling method I could find that worked for me. Today I am sooooooo much better compared to the near cripple I was. I am very grateful to God and friends and caring people.To do this getting better I had to choose to remain near impoverished because insurance of any kind does not cover alternative methods of healing and the monthly costs made it impossible for me to live on my own anymore.I am so incredibly grateful many, though not all, of my medical tests are

coming back as "normal" and delighted the doctors are in awe, wondering how I did it without their medicines. I'm just going with what worked for me. It's not everyone's path.What I am concerned with now is trying to find a doctor who was once very outspoken about silicone and saline. His name was, I think, Craig Dykgraf (sp?) and he was in Southfield, Michigan. He was an occupational/environmental physician who once worked for Dow and then left them to treat their employees who were becoming sick from making implants as well as women who had them inserted into their bodies.I need a "metals" blood test. I know this doctor treated me years ago and took such tests and I cannot find him. I need a comparative study done and as well my present clinic doctor, who is new to the game of medicine, will not order a metals test unless he sees cause. I can tell him cause until I'm blue in the

face but without some proof (and with all the moving I've done from here to there I don't know where I put my records) that it is necessary I cannot get it done and paid for by my insurance. Dr. Dykgraf would be the one to offer what I need.Do any of you know of him and/or where he might be? If anyone does I would so appreciate the information.Keep on keepin' on because we are shiners of love as we've been blessed to learn just how important and significant that is.May the Blessings Be.Most Sincerely,Melinda aSkydaughter@...mandalai@... (most used)

May 19, 2006

Wow, , thanks for helping Melinda! I checked the website link and it didn't work for me. However, I found this one. Very unusual name, so hopefully it's the same guy. http://www.dykgraafdc.com/ Great job! Melinda, hopefully this will help you in your quest! God bless, PattyLISA BLANKS <lisablanks@...> wrote: MELINDA, THIS MIGHT BE WHO YOU ARE SEARCHING FOR DR.CRAIG DYKGRAAF IN GRAND RAPIDS MI.

(616)363-7771, EMAIL : C.DYKGRAAF@... WEBSITE: DNDYKGRAAF.SPINE.PHYSICIAN.ORG Melinda <askydaughter@...> wrote: LISA Dear Saline Sisters,I have not posted in a very, very long time, though I am very grateful for all of you and this forum. It is an honor to be

connected with you.I need help and I'm sincerely hoping one or more of you can assist me. I am already very grateful at the sheer prospect of it!I'll not get into my long history with silicone and saline implants -- simply it began in 1974, 13 surgeries, testimony before the FDA, almost died 2 times, lost a lot of living, almost lost my kids, ended up on SSI and then the day came where I said "Enough!" and I delved deeply into any alternative healling method I could find that worked for me. Today I am sooooooo much better compared to the near cripple I was. I am very grateful to God and friends and caring people.To do this getting better I had to choose to remain near impoverished because insurance of any kind does not cover alternative methods of healing and the monthly costs made it impossible for me to live on my own anymore.I am so incredibly grateful many, though not all, of my

medical tests are coming back as "normal" and delighted the doctors are in awe, wondering how I did it without their medicines. I'm just going with what worked for me. It's not everyone's path.What I am concerned with now is trying to find a doctor who was once very outspoken about silicone and saline. His name was, I think, Craig Dykgraf (sp?) and he was in Southfield, Michigan. He was an occupational/environmental physician who once worked for Dow and then left them to treat their employees who were becoming sick from making implants as well as women who had them inserted into their bodies.I need a "metals" blood test. I know this doctor treated me years ago and took such tests and I cannot find him. I need a comparative study done and as well my present clinic doctor, who is new to the game of medicine, will not order a metals test unless he sees cause. I can tell him cause

until I'm blue in the face but without some proof (and with all the moving I've done from here to there I don't know where I put my records) that it is necessary I cannot get it done and paid for by my insurance. Dr. Dykgraf would be the one to offer what I need.Do any of you know of him and/or where he might be? If anyone does I would so appreciate the information.Keep on keepin' on because we are shiners of love as we've been blessed to learn just how important and significant that is.May the Blessings Be.Most Sincerely,Melinda aSkydaughter@...mandalai@... (most used)

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May 20, 2006

I know this a off-topic, but since everyone here is so wise with health issues, does anyone know anything about iron infusions for low ferritin? Apparently they are given by IV to combat low energy.

Thanks!

Laurie

On 5/19/06 9:34 PM, " Tricia Trish " <glory2glory1401@...> wrote:

Wow, , thanks for helping Melinda!

I checked the website link and it didn't work for me. However, I found this one.

Very unusual name, so hopefully it's the same guy.

http://www.dykgraafdc.com/

Great job! Melinda, hopefully this will help you in your quest!

God bless,

Patty

LISA BLANKS <lisablanks@...> wrote:

MELINDA,

THIS MIGHT BE WHO YOU ARE SEARCHING FOR DR.CRAIG DYKGRAAF IN GRAND RAPIDS MI. (616)363-7771, EMAIL : C.DYKGRAAF@... WEBSITE: DNDYKGRAAF.SPINE.PHYSICIAN.ORG

Melinda <askydaughter@...> wrote: LISA

Dear Saline Sisters,

I have not posted in a very, very long time, though I am very grateful for all of you and this

forum. It is an honor to be connected with you.

I need help and I'm sincerely hoping one or more of you can assist me. I am already very

grateful at the sheer prospect of it!

I'll not get into my long history with silicone and saline implants -- simply it began in

1974, 13 surgeries, testimony before the FDA, almost died 2 times, lost a lot of living,

almost lost my kids, ended up on SSI and then the day came where I said " Enough! " and I

delved deeply into any alternative healling method I could find that worked for me. Today

I am sooooooo much better compared to the near cripple I was. I am very grateful to God

and friends and caring people.

To do this getting better I had to choose to remain near impoverished because insurance

of any kind does not cover alternative methods of healing and the monthly costs made it

impossible for me to live on my own anymore.

I am so incredibly grateful many, though not all, of my medical tests are coming back as

" normal " and delighted the doctors are in awe, wondering how I did it without their

medicines. I'm just going with what worked for me. It's not everyone's path.

What I am concerned with now is trying to find a doctor who was once very outspoken

about silicone and saline. His name was, I think, Craig Dykgraf (sp?) and he was in

Southfield, Michigan. He was an occupational/environmental physician who once worked

for Dow and then left them to treat their employees who were becoming sick from making

implants as well as women who had them inserted into their bodies.

I need a " metals " blood test. I know this doctor treated me years ago and took such tests

and I cannot find him. I need a comparative study done and as well my present clinic

doctor, who is new to the game of medicine, will not order a metals test unless he sees

cause. I can tell him cause until I'm blue in the face but without some proof (and with all

the moving I've done from here to there I don't know where I put my records) that it is

necessary I cannot get it done and paid for by my insurance. Dr. Dykgraf would be the

one to offer what I need.

Do any of you know of him and/or where he might be? If anyone does I would so

appreciate the information.

Keep on keepin' on because we are shiners of love as we've been blessed to learn just how

important and significant that is.

May the Blessings Be.

Most Sincerely,

Melinda

aSkydaughter@...

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May 20, 2006

Dear Rogene,

Thank you for the link. I've gone to the site, studied it and written them an

e-mail.

I too am thrilled I am doing much better though I am very, very aware of what a

fragile

balance it is -- maintaining it is not always easy. Any amount of stress with

effects and

the struggle to regain what is lost is a mighty effort indeed, emotionally,

spiritually and

physically. I do my best to stay as positive as I can.

One thing I do is not use the words " sick " or " degenerative " or " ill " . I

dropped one doctor

who insisted upon calling me sick. I told him " I cannot get better if you keep

telling me

I'm sick. " The mind and what we tell ourselves is a mighty force. I don't do

denial, i.e. I

am well aware of my challenges but that's how I try my best to look at them, as

challenges

-- this empowers me. I do have my moments where I want to give up and don't

feel like

doing my regime but they are fewer and far between compared to years ago.

My living situation is high stress for me right now and I've seen the effects --

it may be

because I am so in tune with my body from all the work I've done to get better

that I sense

from it when I am stressed before I even cognitively know I am! *smile*

I am particularly interested in finding out if platinum is in my system because

I had a

severe bout with Bell's Palsy a little over a year ago (the 7th cerebral nerve

is " attacked "

and still have what are called rediduals and, oh shoot, I forgot the other word

-- I think it

is skynesis (sp). As well I have nerve problems in my hands and neck. The

Bell's Palsy is

an immediate source for me to tell if I'm under stress because my face tightens

up and my

speech gets slurred. If I can prove (as best as possible) a tie-in with

silicone/saline and

platinum to the BP, well, I'd be relieved.

I first had silicone implants in 1974. 12 operations later I had saline put in

in 1992 and

1995. They are still in there. Unless there is a medical emergency I cannot

get them out,

i.e. my insurance will not pay for it. I have no breast tissue of my own left

-- most was

either eaten away by infection or just disappeared.

Again, I thank you for the link. I hope I am able to benefit from their

services.

And, I thank you for your kindness.

Hugs to you and all as well!

Melinda

P.S. It is quite interesting to me that the settlement with Dow is as it is -- I

worked my

tuche off and over the last 6 years spent (and spend) most of my disability

stipend on

getting better (the emotional cost is high as I'm living with my mother and we

don't get

along well) and since I am better than I was when I signed on to the class

action they want

to drop my level down. What??!! " Punishing " me for getting myself better?

That is insane.

>

> Melinda,

>

> I'm thrilled to hear you're doing so much better! . .

> . It does take dedication and time . . . You're proof

> that one can do it! Congradulations! I hope you make

> all your former doctors eat their words!

>

> I don't know anything about the doctor you're seeking,

> but if it's tests for you, check this website:

> http://www.expertox.com/pg_articles.html

>

> Dr. Lykissa is doing testing that is above and beyond

> what most doctors do - and he understands the silicone

> issues very well.

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

May 20, 2006

Melinda,

The things we tell ourselves, or allow others to put

on us, are so very important! . . . You've figured

that out very well! I find it much better to consider

that " I don't feel good TODAY " , rather than to say I'm

sick - or I have this or that.

And, constantly monitoring those little things is

soooo important. I consider those little symptoms a

signal that I've pushed my limits and that I need to

get back in line. It's much easier to manage the

symptoms when I pay attention to the signals my body

is sending!

Since doing this, I'm watching some of my pottery

classmates who apparently have no sense of what's

going on with themselves. . . One woman (who's taking

post-cancer mededications) tells me she's feeling

great . . . But it's obvious, when you watch her walk,

her lack of enthusasiam, lack of energy, that she's

not in touch with her body. My fellow classmates tell

me she's not the same person she was before cancer.

I suspect that, if most of us were in touch with our

bodies early on, we wouldn't have tolerated breast

implants very long!

I am concerned that you still have your breast

implants. . . You should be getting close to Medicare

age. Hopefully you'll be able to get them out then.

I've found Medicare coverage (with a supplement) to be

excellent.

I think the fact that you still have your implants is

going against you with DOW. . . But let's face it, DOW

is going to try to squirm out of anything they

possibly can. . . They're that kind of company!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

May 20, 2006

Thanks Kathy. You are very knowledgeable. My doctor did mention that an

iron infusion can cause an allergic reaction, but said that is really rare

and that they give benadryl and go very slowly to prevent a reaction. Do

you think reactions are more common than he led me to believe? What does a

" serious " reaction mean? He told me that iron is really badly absorbed

through food (only 2-3%) so besides supplements or an infusion, it's hard to

get a boost. Were you able to boost your iron just by the organic liver and

beets? If so, did you feel like you had more energy? Did it last even when

you stopped eating liver and beets? (I despise both of those foods, so I'd

have to find another source anyway).

Thanks so much for sharing your information. I really appreciate it.

Laurie

On 5/20/06 9:19 PM, " mikat828 " <mikat828@...> wrote:

>

> Hi, I know a little. My doctor suggested for me, but then she said,

> and my sister--a nurse--agreed it could be dangerous. You can react

> to it and if you do, it can be quite serious. Far better to raise

> them through supplementation and diet changes. I have tried organic

> liver and also organic beets are very high in iron. Funny thing

> about iron though, our body sequesters it from pathogens so

> supplementing iron can be tricky. If you are sick from numerous

> pathogens, they will actually appropiate iron for their own uses.

> As you health improves, so will your ferritin levels. Unless you

> have a different kind of problem. Bleeding anywhere in the body--

> ulcer, too heavy or frequent periods, bleeding from the bowel--can

> all reduce iron.

> Hugs,Kathy

>

> LISA

>>>>> Dear Saline Sisters,

>>>>>

>>>>> I have not posted in a very, very long time, though I am very

> grateful for

>>>>> all of you and this

>>>>> forum. It is an honor to be connected with you.

>>>>>

>>>>> I need help and I'm sincerely hoping one or more of you can

> assist me. I am

>>>>> already very

>>>>> grateful at the sheer prospect of it!

>>>>>

>>>>> I'll not get into my long history with silicone and saline

> implants --

>>>>> simply it began in

>>>>> 1974, 13 surgeries, testimony before the FDA, almost died 2

> times, lost a

>>>>> lot of living,

>>>>> almost lost my kids, ended up on SSI and then the day came

> where I said

>>>>> " Enough! " and I

>>>>> delved deeply into any alternative healling method I could

> find that worked

>>>>> for me. Today

>>>>> I am sooooooo much better compared to the near cripple I was.

> I am very

>>>>> grateful to God

>>>>> and friends and caring people.

>>>>>

>>>>> To do this getting better I had to choose to remain near

> impoverished

>>>>> because insurance

>>>>> of any kind does not cover alternative methods of healing and

> the monthly

>>>>> costs made it

>>>>> impossible for me to live on my own anymore.

>>>>>

>>>>> I am so incredibly grateful many, though not all, of my

> medical tests are

>>>>> coming back as

>>>>> " normal " and delighted the doctors are in awe, wondering how I

> did it

>>>>> without their

>>>>> medicines. I'm just going with what worked for me. It's not

> everyone's

>>>>> path.

>>>>>

>>>>> What I am concerned with now is trying to find a doctor who

> was once very

>>>>> outspoken

>>>>> about silicone and saline. His name was, I think, Craig

> Dykgraf (sp?) and

>>>>> he was in

>>>>> Southfield, Michigan. He was an occupational/environmental

> physician who

>>>>> once worked

>>>>> for Dow and then left them to treat their employees who were

> becoming sick

>>>>> from making

>>>>> implants as well as women who had them inserted into their

> bodies.

>>>>>

>>>>> I need a " metals " blood test. I know this doctor treated me

> years ago and

>>>>> took such tests

>>>>> and I cannot find him. I need a comparative study done and as

> well my

>>>>> present clinic

>>>>> doctor, who is new to the game of medicine, will not order a

> metals test

>>>>> unless he sees

>>>>> cause. I can tell him cause until I'm blue in the face but

> without some

>>>>> proof (and with all

>>>>> the moving I've done from here to there I don't know where I

> put my records)

>>>>> that it is

>>>>> necessary I cannot get it done and paid for by my insurance.

> Dr. Dykgraf

>>>>> would be the

>>>>> one to offer what I need.

>>>>>

>>>>> Do any of you know of him and/or where he might be? If anyone

> does I would

>>>>> so

>>>>> appreciate the information.

>>>>>

>>>>> Keep on keepin' on because we are shiners of love as we've

> been blessed to

>>>>> learn just how

>>>>> important and significant that is.

>>>>>

>>>>> May the Blessings Be.

>>>>>

>>>>> Most Sincerely,

>>>>> Melinda

>>>>> aSkydaughter@...

>>>>> mandalai@... (most used)

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>> Feel free to call! Free PC-to-PC calls. Low rates on PC-to-

> Phone. Get

>>> Messenger with Voice

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>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given by licensed

>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> health care

>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>

>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> mislead you.

>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

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>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> two-time

>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>

>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

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>>>

May 20, 2006

Hi, I know a little. My doctor suggested for me, but then she said,

and my sister--a nurse--agreed it could be dangerous. You can react

to it and if you do, it can be quite serious. Far better to raise

them through supplementation and diet changes. I have tried organic

liver and also organic beets are very high in iron. Funny thing

about iron though, our body sequesters it from pathogens so

supplementing iron can be tricky. If you are sick from numerous

pathogens, they will actually appropiate iron for their own uses.

As you health improves, so will your ferritin levels. Unless you

have a different kind of problem. Bleeding anywhere in the body--

ulcer, too heavy or frequent periods, bleeding from the bowel--can

all reduce iron.

Hugs,Kathy

LISA

> >>> Dear Saline Sisters,

> >>>

> >>> I have not posted in a very, very long time, though I am very

grateful for

> >>> all of you and this

> >>> forum. It is an honor to be connected with you.

> >>>

> >>> I need help and I'm sincerely hoping one or more of you can

assist me. I am

> >>> already very

> >>> grateful at the sheer prospect of it!

> >>>

> >>> I'll not get into my long history with silicone and saline

implants --

> >>> simply it began in

> >>> 1974, 13 surgeries, testimony before the FDA, almost died 2

times, lost a

> >>> lot of living,

> >>> almost lost my kids, ended up on SSI and then the day came

where I said

> >>> " Enough! " and I

> >>> delved deeply into any alternative healling method I could

find that worked

> >>> for me. Today

> >>> I am sooooooo much better compared to the near cripple I was.

I am very

> >>> grateful to God

> >>> and friends and caring people.

> >>>

> >>> To do this getting better I had to choose to remain near

impoverished

> >>> because insurance

> >>> of any kind does not cover alternative methods of healing and

the monthly

> >>> costs made it

> >>> impossible for me to live on my own anymore.

> >>>

> >>> I am so incredibly grateful many, though not all, of my

medical tests are

> >>> coming back as

> >>> " normal " and delighted the doctors are in awe, wondering how I

did it

> >>> without their

> >>> medicines. I'm just going with what worked for me. It's not

everyone's

> >>> path.

> >>>

> >>> What I am concerned with now is trying to find a doctor who

was once very

> >>> outspoken

> >>> about silicone and saline. His name was, I think, Craig

Dykgraf (sp?) and

> >>> he was in

> >>> Southfield, Michigan. He was an occupational/environmental

physician who

> >>> once worked

> >>> for Dow and then left them to treat their employees who were

becoming sick

> >>> from making

> >>> implants as well as women who had them inserted into their

bodies.

> >>>

> >>> I need a " metals " blood test. I know this doctor treated me

years ago and

> >>> took such tests

> >>> and I cannot find him. I need a comparative study done and as

well my

> >>> present clinic

> >>> doctor, who is new to the game of medicine, will not order a

metals test

> >>> unless he sees

> >>> cause. I can tell him cause until I'm blue in the face but

without some

> >>> proof (and with all

> >>> the moving I've done from here to there I don't know where I

put my records)

> >>> that it is

> >>> necessary I cannot get it done and paid for by my insurance.

Dr. Dykgraf

> >>> would be the

> >>> one to offer what I need.

> >>>

> >>> Do any of you know of him and/or where he might be? If anyone

does I would

> >>> so

> >>> appreciate the information.

> >>>

> >>> Keep on keepin' on because we are shiners of love as we've

been blessed to

> >>> learn just how

> >>> important and significant that is.

> >>>

> >>> May the Blessings Be.

> >>>

> >>> Most Sincerely,

> >>> Melinda

> >>> aSkydaughter@...

> >>> mandalai@... (most used)

> >>>

> >>

> >

> > Feel free to call! Free PC-to-PC calls. Low rates on PC-to-

Phone. Get

> > Messenger with Voice

> >

<http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman10/*http://us.rd.yaho

o.com/evt

> > =39663/*http://messenger.>

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by licensed

> > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

health care

> > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you.

> > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

how to live a

> > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

two-time

> > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> > http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> >

May 22, 2006

I had never heard Dr. Dygraaf before but found him ... he is a

licensed chiropractor in Michigan.

http://www.dykgraafdc.com/

Regarding Dr. Lykissa that Patty mentioned ... here is all of the

work Keeling and he have done on platinum testing.

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/CANDO.htm

Blessings to all.

Ilena

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org

> Dear Saline Sisters,

>

> I have not posted in a very, very long time, though I am very

grateful for all of you and this

> forum. It is an honor to be connected with you.

>

> I need help and I'm sincerely hoping one or more of you can assist

me. I am already very

> grateful at the sheer prospect of it!

>

> I'll not get into my long history with silicone and saline

implants -- simply it began in

> 1974, 13 surgeries, testimony before the FDA, almost died 2 times,

lost a lot of living,

> almost lost my kids, ended up on SSI and then the day came where I

said " Enough! " and I

> delved deeply into any alternative healling method I could find

that worked for me. Today

> I am sooooooo much better compared to the near cripple I was. I

am very grateful to God

> and friends and caring people.

>

> To do this getting better I had to choose to remain near

impoverished because insurance

> of any kind does not cover alternative methods of healing and the

monthly costs made it

> impossible for me to live on my own anymore.

>

> I am so incredibly grateful many, though not all, of my medical

tests are coming back as

> " normal " and delighted the doctors are in awe, wondering how I did

it without their

> medicines. I'm just going with what worked for me. It's not

everyone's path.

>

> What I am concerned with now is trying to find a doctor who was

once very outspoken

> about silicone and saline. His name was, I think, Craig Dykgraf

(sp?) and he was in

> Southfield, Michigan. He was an occupational/environmental

physician who once worked

> for Dow and then left them to treat their employees who were

becoming sick from making

> implants as well as women who had them inserted into their bodies.

>

> I need a " metals " blood test. I know this doctor treated me years

ago and took such tests

> and I cannot find him. I need a comparative study done and as

well my present clinic

> doctor, who is new to the game of medicine, will not order a

metals test unless he sees

> cause. I can tell him cause until I'm blue in the face but

without some proof (and with all

> the moving I've done from here to there I don't know where I put

my records) that it is

> necessary I cannot get it done and paid for by my insurance. Dr.

Dykgraf would be the

> one to offer what I need.

>

> Do any of you know of him and/or where he might be? If anyone

does I would so

> appreciate the information.

>

> Keep on keepin' on because we are shiners of love as we've been

blessed to learn just how

> important and significant that is.

>

> May the Blessings Be.

>

> Most Sincerely,

> Melinda

> aSkydaughter@...

> mandalai@... (most used)

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>

May 22, 2006

I read this mans website and am not convinced this is the same person that Melinda wanted. Has anyone made contact with his office to know for sure? I was thinking of doing so and didn't want to bother his staff if someone else already has. I am just a 40 min drive from his office if he is knowledgeable of silicone related illnesses. It would be nice to go to someone who doesn't think I am crazy. colibrimama <colibrimama@...> wrote: I had never heard Dr. Dygraaf before but found him ... he is a licensed chiropractor in Michigan.http://www.dykgraafdc.com/Regarding Dr. Lykissa that Patty mentioned ... here is all of the work Keeling and he have done on platinum

testing.www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/CANDO.htmBlessings to all.Ilenawww.BreastImplantAwareness.org> Dear Saline Sisters,> > I have not posted in a very, very long time, though I am very grateful for all of you and this > forum. It is an honor to be connected with you.> > I need help and I'm sincerely hoping one or more of you can assist me. I am already very > grateful at the sheer prospect of it!> > I'll not get into my long

history with silicone and saline implants -- simply it began in > 1974, 13 surgeries, testimony before the FDA, almost died 2 times, lost a lot of living, > almost lost my kids, ended up on SSI and then the day came where I said "Enough!" and I > delved deeply into any alternative healling method I could find that worked for me. Today > I am sooooooo much better compared to the near cripple I was. I am very grateful to God > and friends and caring people.> > To do this getting better I had to choose to remain near impoverished because insurance > of any kind does not cover alternative methods of healing and the monthly costs made it > impossible for me to live on my own anymore.> > I am so incredibly grateful many, though not all, of my medical tests are coming back as > "normal" and delighted the doctors are in awe, wondering how I did

it without their > medicines. I'm just going with what worked for me. It's not everyone's path.> > What I am concerned with now is trying to find a doctor who was once very outspoken > about silicone and saline. His name was, I think, Craig Dykgraf (sp?) and he was in > Southfield, Michigan. He was an occupational/environmental physician who once worked > for Dow and then left them to treat their employees who were becoming sick from making > implants as well as women who had them inserted into their bodies.> > I need a "metals" blood test. I know this doctor treated me years ago and took such tests > and I cannot find him. I need a comparative study done and as well my present clinic > doctor, who is new to the game of medicine, will not order a metals test unless he sees > cause. I can tell him cause until I'm

blue in the face but without some proof (and with all > the moving I've done from here to there I don't know where I put my records) that it is > necessary I cannot get it done and paid for by my insurance. Dr. Dykgraf would be the > one to offer what I need.> > Do any of you know of him and/or where he might be? If anyone does I would so > appreciate the information.> > Keep on keepin' on because we are shiners of love as we've been blessed to learn just how > important and significant that is.> > May the Blessings Be.> > Most Sincerely,> Melinda > aSkydaughter@...> mandalai@... (most used)> > > > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your

physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)> > See our photos website! Enter "implants" for access at this link:> http://.shutterfly.com/action/> >

May 22, 2006

Laurie

I don't think a reaction is real common but I also am not sure it is

worth the risk. My sister is usually pretty laid back about things

but she didn't seem to think it was a particularly good idea.

Yes I did feel less tired on beets and liver and even iron

supplements, but I have a problem where I herx to things thatcontain

glutathione and beets and liver are rich sources so I have to go

very slow with those foods. As for the iron, I started getting

indigestion from it and burped it up all day, so I quit. So now I

just try to eat a healthy diet. I have also heard people say they

had good luck with tbsp of blackstrap molasses every day. I would

try those type of things before considering the IV. Even with

Benadryl you can't always control an allergic reaction and they are

talking about possible anaphylactic shock.

Hugs, Kathy

> > LISA

> >>>>> Dear Saline Sisters,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I have not posted in a very, very long time, though I am very

> > grateful for

> >>>>> all of you and this

> >>>>> forum. It is an honor to be connected with you.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I need help and I'm sincerely hoping one or more of you can

> > assist me. I am

> >>>>> already very

> >>>>> grateful at the sheer prospect of it!

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I'll not get into my long history with silicone and saline

> > implants --

> >>>>> simply it began in

> >>>>> 1974, 13 surgeries, testimony before the FDA, almost died 2

> > times, lost a

> >>>>> lot of living,

> >>>>> almost lost my kids, ended up on SSI and then the day came

> > where I said

> >>>>> " Enough! " and I

> >>>>> delved deeply into any alternative healling method I could

> > find that worked

> >>>>> for me. Today

> >>>>> I am sooooooo much better compared to the near cripple I was.

> > I am very

> >>>>> grateful to God

> >>>>> and friends and caring people.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> To do this getting better I had to choose to remain near

> > impoverished

> >>>>> because insurance

> >>>>> of any kind does not cover alternative methods of healing and

> > the monthly

> >>>>> costs made it

> >>>>> impossible for me to live on my own anymore.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I am so incredibly grateful many, though not all, of my

> > medical tests are

> >>>>> coming back as

> >>>>> " normal " and delighted the doctors are in awe, wondering how

I

> > did it

> >>>>> without their

> >>>>> medicines. I'm just going with what worked for me. It's not

> > everyone's

> >>>>> path.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> What I am concerned with now is trying to find a doctor who

> > was once very

> >>>>> outspoken

> >>>>> about silicone and saline. His name was, I think, Craig

> > Dykgraf (sp?) and

> >>>>> he was in

> >>>>> Southfield, Michigan. He was an occupational/environmental

> > physician who

> >>>>> once worked

> >>>>> for Dow and then left them to treat their employees who were

> > becoming sick

> >>>>> from making

> >>>>> implants as well as women who had them inserted into their

> > bodies.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I need a " metals " blood test. I know this doctor treated me

> > years ago and

> >>>>> took such tests

> >>>>> and I cannot find him. I need a comparative study done and

as

> > well my

> >>>>> present clinic

> >>>>> doctor, who is new to the game of medicine, will not order a

> > metals test

> >>>>> unless he sees

> >>>>> cause. I can tell him cause until I'm blue in the face but

> > without some

> >>>>> proof (and with all

> >>>>> the moving I've done from here to there I don't know where I

> > put my records)

> >>>>> that it is

> >>>>> necessary I cannot get it done and paid for by my insurance.

> > Dr. Dykgraf

> >>>>> would be the

> >>>>> one to offer what I need.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Do any of you know of him and/or where he might be? If

anyone

> > does I would

> >>>>> so

> >>>>> appreciate the information.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Keep on keepin' on because we are shiners of love as we've

> > been blessed to

> >>>>> learn just how

> >>>>> important and significant that is.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> May the Blessings Be.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Most Sincerely,

> >>>>> Melinda

> >>>>> aSkydaughter@

> >>>>> mandalai@ (most used)

> >>>>>

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>> Feel free to call! Free PC-to-PC calls. Low rates on PC-to-

> > Phone. Get

> >>> Messenger with Voice

> >>>

> >

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> > o.com/evt

> >>> =39663/*http://messenger.>

> >>>

> >>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> > given by licensed

> >>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> > health care

> >>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>

> >>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > mislead you.

> >>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> > how to live a

> >>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

ing,

> > two-time

> >>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>

> >>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

link:

> >>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> >>>

May 23, 2006

Thanks Kathy. Good advice. I apologize for this " dumb " question, but does

the blackstrap molasses contain iron, or is the point of it to coat your

stomach so you can tolerate/absorb iron from the pills or other foods? I

appreciate having the wisdom of your sister's advice since docs seem to

minimize side effects. I am usually very reserved about these kinds of

things and prefer to go the natural route myself. It's jus that I'm getting

tired of being tired. I also sleep poorly and the doc alluded to the fact

that low iron may be causing that. Do you agree that iron and poor sleep

are connected in some way?

Thanks again for all of your wisdom!

Laurie

On 5/22/06 11:35 PM, " mikat828 " <mikat828@...> wrote:

>

> Laurie

> I don't think a reaction is real common but I also am not sure it is

> worth the risk. My sister is usually pretty laid back about things

> but she didn't seem to think it was a particularly good idea.

> Yes I did feel less tired on beets and liver and even iron

> supplements, but I have a problem where I herx to things thatcontain

> glutathione and beets and liver are rich sources so I have to go

> very slow with those foods. As for the iron, I started getting

> indigestion from it and burped it up all day, so I quit. So now I

> just try to eat a healthy diet. I have also heard people say they

> had good luck with tbsp of blackstrap molasses every day. I would

> try those type of things before considering the IV. Even with

> Benadryl you can't always control an allergic reaction and they are

> talking about possible anaphylactic shock.

> Hugs, Kathy

>

>>> LISA

>>>>>>> Dear Saline Sisters,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I have not posted in a very, very long time, though I am very

>>> grateful for

>>>>>>> all of you and this

>>>>>>> forum. It is an honor to be connected with you.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I need help and I'm sincerely hoping one or more of you can

>>> assist me. I am

>>>>>>> already very

>>>>>>> grateful at the sheer prospect of it!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I'll not get into my long history with silicone and saline

>>> implants --

>>>>>>> simply it began in

>>>>>>> 1974, 13 surgeries, testimony before the FDA, almost died 2

>>> times, lost a

>>>>>>> lot of living,

>>>>>>> almost lost my kids, ended up on SSI and then the day came

>>> where I said

>>>>>>> " Enough! " and I

>>>>>>> delved deeply into any alternative healling method I could

>>> find that worked

>>>>>>> for me. Today

>>>>>>> I am sooooooo much better compared to the near cripple I was.

>>> I am very

>>>>>>> grateful to God

>>>>>>> and friends and caring people.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> To do this getting better I had to choose to remain near

>>> impoverished

>>>>>>> because insurance

>>>>>>> of any kind does not cover alternative methods of healing and

>>> the monthly

>>>>>>> costs made it

>>>>>>> impossible for me to live on my own anymore.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I am so incredibly grateful many, though not all, of my

>>> medical tests are

>>>>>>> coming back as

>>>>>>> " normal " and delighted the doctors are in awe, wondering how

> I

>>> did it

>>>>>>> without their

>>>>>>> medicines. I'm just going with what worked for me. It's not

>>> everyone's

>>>>>>> path.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> What I am concerned with now is trying to find a doctor who

>>> was once very

>>>>>>> outspoken

>>>>>>> about silicone and saline. His name was, I think, Craig

>>> Dykgraf (sp?) and

>>>>>>> he was in

>>>>>>> Southfield, Michigan. He was an occupational/environmental

>>> physician who

>>>>>>> once worked

>>>>>>> for Dow and then left them to treat their employees who were

>>> becoming sick

>>>>>>> from making

>>>>>>> implants as well as women who had them inserted into their

>>> bodies.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I need a " metals " blood test. I know this doctor treated me

>>> years ago and

>>>>>>> took such tests

>>>>>>> and I cannot find him. I need a comparative study done and

> as

>>> well my

>>>>>>> present clinic

>>>>>>> doctor, who is new to the game of medicine, will not order a

>>> metals test

>>>>>>> unless he sees

>>>>>>> cause. I can tell him cause until I'm blue in the face but

>>> without some

>>>>>>> proof (and with all

>>>>>>> the moving I've done from here to there I don't know where I

>>> put my records)

>>>>>>> that it is

>>>>>>> necessary I cannot get it done and paid for by my insurance.

>>> Dr. Dykgraf

>>>>>>> would be the

>>>>>>> one to offer what I need.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Do any of you know of him and/or where he might be? If

> anyone

>>> does I would

>>>>>>> so

>>>>>>> appreciate the information.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Keep on keepin' on because we are shiners of love as we've

>>> been blessed to

>>>>>>> learn just how

>>>>>>> important and significant that is.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> May the Blessings Be.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Most Sincerely,

>>>>>>> Melinda

>>>>>>> aSkydaughter@

>>>>>>> mandalai@ (most used)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Feel free to call! Free PC-to-PC calls. Low rates on PC-to-

>>> Phone. Get

>>>>> Messenger with Voice

>>>>>

>>>

> <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman10/*http://us.rd.yaho

>>> o.com/evt

>>>>> =39663/*http://messenger.>

>>>>>

>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

>>> given by licensed

>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>>> health care

>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>>

>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>>> mislead you.

>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

>>> how to live a

>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> ing,

>>> two-time

>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>>

>>>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

> link:

>>>>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>>>>>

May 23, 2006

Dear Rogene,

Your concern is greatly appreciated! I apologize in advance for what I think is

going to be

a long post.

I just had a mammagram and it reminded (again) that I have very little breast

tissue left at

all -- the poor woman who was doing the procedure had a heck of a time just

getting my

little bit of tissue on the plate! I helped her laugh her way through it. I do

my best to

laugh as much as I can.

We talked a bit about implants and explanting. This is a real touchy subject

for me -- I

recognize I'm not " ready " in all ways necessary to have it done. And, as I

write this,

perhaps I will grow and change. I'm certainly not sure at the moment how I feel

about it

-- I am all for anyone getting them out, that is certain. The way it was

described to me,

when I do do it is it will be like a radical mastectomy and I will most likely

lose both

aerola's and nipples because the only thing keeping them " alive " is the blood

flowing to

them from the veins that have attached themselves to the saline implants. As

well there is

no viable tissue left for any form of reconstruction. And of course, any form

of

reconstruction, were it possible takes money. My U of M doctor, about 6 years

ago said " If

it ain't broke, don't fix it (yet), " as an option. I am 12 years away from

receiving medicare.

When I first joined the Dow Class Action suit I was slated, due to my condition

for a very

large amount of money. Of course that withered down and down and down as more

joined the suit and as Dow pulled their bancruptsy stunt. Previous to this I

learned I was

blessed in one way for having had to have had so many surgeries -- none of the

silicone

stayed long enough to actually rupture that we know of (though absolutely no

one can

find the records of one " set " and there has always been questions of this -- no

path

report, no op notes at all about those implants -- it is as though someone

chucked them

immediately. It would've taken a lot of money to investigate this and well, I

don't have it. I

did wonder at times if someone did get rid of them because I was known by the

hospital

for filing a previous lawsuit against the doctor, hospital and Dow -- I think

they flag your

chart when you do that. What the hospital and the doc did then was pay for my

surgery,

no other compensation. Heck, I think I went through several lawyers all of whom

were not

capable of taking on Dow. I was even laughed at by one for even considering it.

I was a

single mom of three since my youngest was a baby (25 years ago) and I had no

back-up,

no family to help me and no time to even think about marriage again. When I

became

" officially " disabled, after near dying a couple of times, the disability was

something I

actually fought up to the 11th hour because I had to actually state how

incapable I was

and it really irked me, rubbed me the wrong way (but survival won out -- I could

no longer

work to support my kids) and I agreed to say such things which truly went

against my

inner, spiritual beliefs. It had already taken 18 months to get to that court

date and I had

been unable to work fulltime for 3 years prior to that. I had to do what I had

to do which

was stating I was incapable.

What was truly amazing is I did not get the SSI based on the illness of silicone

poisoning.

The lawyer felt there was not enough science for me out there to prove it and

there were

more studies done on behalf of Dow who paid for them to beat me out of that

avenue. I

had to do what I could because I had three children to care for, no child

support and I

couldn't work so we went for chronic depression -- which I had because of all

the history

with the implant fiasco.

I am still not able to work a regular job full time though I am hoping to return

to writing

for publication again and my art. In the meantime I wonder, do I have two

ticking time

bombs in my chest? That depends upon who you talk to. The last surgery was in

'95.

There is not a plastic surgeon (other than residents in training) in the area

who accept my

insurance. It was three different residents supposedly with supervision who

helped get me

into this mess in the first place. I am now trying to get my insurance company,

along with

present doctor (also a resident) convinced I need to return to U of M to see the

doctor who

helped save my life. I suppose there is some reality to the fact that I need

someone

familiar, someone who " knows " me because there is no, other than my precious

daughter

who still lives here yet is expecting another child) to stand by me. Sadly, all

my closest

friends and the love of my life have died -- all at young ages. I am the one

caring for my

aged mother so there is no support there. I have a sort of boyfriend for the

last seven

years whom I dearly love yet we are more like " friends with benefits " as well as

it is a long

distance relationship.

I have to say, I probably have not sought out or even considered a more true

companion

due to the implants (intimacy with someone else and having to explain the whole

breast

implant thing, the weirdness of how they look and feel) as well as my poverty

situation --

well, I just haven't had it in me to go there or even really consider it beyond

mere

moments now and then. My focus has been on getting well and I'm pleased with

the great

progress I have made, even though it does take up enough money where I've not

been

able to get my own place.

I felt that when the settlement came in I would be able to more easily pay off

all my old

bills which have piled up over the years, get the explant and figure out some

way with this

bit of money left over to start my life anew -- at least to pay a deposit on an

apartment

along with first/last months rent and get a car repair. Now it seems quite

apparent that

Dow is trying to " punish " me for my present improved state of health. This is

wrong. It is

absolutely wrong.

I don't understand dear Rogene, your statement that because I still have the

saline

implants they may use that against me. I need the settlement money to get the

present

ones out as well as have some sense of compensation for 30 years of hell with

implants --

loss of work being only the beginning. I can fight this Level A to B business

and hope I've

got the gumption to do it because I often feel, as they hope I will, so tired of

the whole

thing. I have to be very careful I don't go into a slump because long enough and

that will

easily undo all I've worked for.

I really appreciate you and the group, very much so.

I feel good TODAY ;-)

Love, hugs, and the faith in May the Blessings Be,

Melinda

>

> Melinda,

>

> The things we tell ourselves, or allow others to put

> on us, are so very important! . . . You've figured

> that out very well! I find it much better to consider

> that " I don't feel good TODAY " , rather than to say I'm

> sick - or I have this or that.

>

> And, constantly monitoring those little things is

> soooo important. I consider those little symptoms a

> signal that I've pushed my limits and that I need to

> get back in line. It's much easier to manage the

> symptoms when I pay attention to the signals my body

> is sending!

>

> Since doing this, I'm watching some of my pottery

> classmates who apparently have no sense of what's

> going on with themselves. . . One woman (who's taking

> post-cancer mededications) tells me she's feeling

> great . . . But it's obvious, when you watch her walk,

> her lack of enthusasiam, lack of energy, that she's

> not in touch with her body. My fellow classmates tell

> me she's not the same person she was before cancer.

>

> I suspect that, if most of us were in touch with our

> bodies early on, we wouldn't have tolerated breast

> implants very long!

>

> I am concerned that you still have your breast

> implants. . . You should be getting close to Medicare

> age. Hopefully you'll be able to get them out then.

> I've found Medicare coverage (with a supplement) to be

> excellent.

>

> I think the fact that you still have your implants is

> going against you with DOW. . . But let's face it, DOW

> is going to try to squirm out of anything they

> possibly can. . . They're that kind of company!

>

> Hugs and prayers,

>

> Rogene

>

May 23, 2006

Melinda,

If your financial situation has been such that you

haven't been able to remove your implants, I don't

think still having your implants will hurt you with

DOW. . .

I question how DOW looks at women who claim to be

sick, who can afford to remove their implants, but

keep them anyway. In that case, the underlying message

is that the women are may not be as sick as they

claim.

However, I think they gave you a line of BS when they

told you that you'd have the equivalent of a radical

mastectomy. Unless they've already removed all your

breast tissue during the multiple surgeries, you

should look flattened, but fine. Nipples should be

intact.

I don't understand why they try to scare women who

seek explant. We know (based on the hundreds of women

we've seen come through the group) that one can have

implants safely removed - if the doctor knows what

they're doing - or should I say, if the doctor takes

the issue seriously enough to do the job right!

You might talk to Molly Bloom mollyb54@...

.. . She knows quite a bit about the settlement issues.

She might be able to make some suggestion about how to

handle your claim with them.

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

May 23, 2006

You wrote:

I question how DOW looks at women who claim to besick, who can afford to remove their implants, butkeep them anyway. In that case, the underlying messageis that the women are may not be as sick as theyclaim.

I think this is unfair. There are so many emotional issues that may be at play for women despite their being so ill. For many women, surgery may be terrifying. Further, with their own physicians telling them that surgery will not alleviate their illnesses, these women may be torn between their tendency to trust those who they have learned to view as figures of authority. Surely, there are women who are frightened of facing additional scarring. And, of course, many women sought implantation to begin with because they believe their own bodies to be not good enough and may avoid explantation because of the possibility that the surgery will leave them even less acceptable and possibly deformed. To dismiss the severity of women's illnesses just because they struggled to make the decision that came for easily for some seems unfair to me.

Sherry

Re: Re: Seeking, Searching, hopefully finding

Melinda,If your financial situation has been such that youhaven't been able to remove your implants, I don'tthink still having your implants will hurt you withDOW. . . I question how DOW looks at women who claim to besick, who can afford to remove their implants, butkeep them anyway. In that case, the underlying messageis that the women are may not be as sick as theyclaim.However, I think they gave you a line of BS when theytold you that you'd have the equivalent of a radicalmastectomy. Unless they've already removed all yourbreast tissue during the multiple surgeries, youshould look flattened, but fine. Nipples should beintact.I don't understand why they try to scare women whoseek explant. We know (based on the hundreds of womenwe've seen come through the group) that one can haveimplants safely removed - if the doctor knows whatthey're doing - or should I say, if the doctor takesthe issue seriously enough to do the job right!You might talk to Molly Bloom mollyb54@... . . She knows quite a bit about the settlement issues.She might be able to make some suggestion about how tohandle your claim with them.Hugs and prayers,Rogene

May 23, 2006

Sherry,

I couldn't agree more with you! . . . The media is fed

crap that denies a connection between implant

illnesses and implants - and they buy the crap - even

when they see wome in the media getting sick . . .

Then women are treated like nut cases when they

question their doctors. And, most plastic surgeons

encourage women to replace, rather than remove their

implants - because (as they claim) women will be

deformed and depressed if they do!

I can't imagine anything being more depressing than

being sick as a dog, but being told there's nothing

wrong - so it must be in ones head!

IMHO, that's why the suicide rate among implanted

women is 3-4 times that of other plastic surgery

patients.

And as far as self-esteem goes, how can someone who

can't think straight, care for their family, or do

their job have high self-esteem?

Nothing has been fair about this from the outset! . .

The difference is that we're beginning to speak out

and show the liars for what they are! For a long time,

women were reluctant to discuss their breast implants.

(Why do I alway type beast implants first?)

I don't know how much longer this is going to take to

educate the public, but we have to keep pushing until

the public knows these criminals for who they are!

Hugs,

Rogene

May 23, 2006

Sherry...

I'd have to agree with Rogenes' comments...as I think she was trying

to relay the legal position Dow would take. And they would use it

to the hilt. Dow could care less about the emotional issues and they

would say... " well...she had the surgery one time and if she wanted

it badly enough or was sick enough...she would have it again " .

That doesn't mean that is how any of us feels or that we don't

understand the reasons. Rather, it is how Dow would use it.

> I question how DOW looks at women who claim to be

> sick, who can afford to remove their implants, but

> keep them anyway. In that case, the underlying message

> is that the women are may not be as sick as they

> claim.

>

> I think this is unfair. There are so many emotional issues that

may be at play for women despite their being so ill. For many women,

surgery may be terrifying. Further, with their own physicians

telling them that surgery will not alleviate their illnesses, these

women may be torn between their tendency to trust those who they

have learned to view as figures of authority. Surely, there are

women who are frightened of facing additional scarring. And, of

course, many women sought implantation to begin with because they

believe their own bodies to be not good enough and may avoid

explantation because of the possibility that the surgery will leave

them even less acceptable and possibly deformed. To dismiss the

severity of women's illnesses just because they struggled to make

the decision that came for easily for some seems unfair to me.

> Sherry

> Re: Re: Seeking, Searching, hopefully

finding

>

> Melinda,

>

> If your financial situation has been such that you

> haven't been able to remove your implants, I don't

> think still having your implants will hurt you with

> DOW. . .

>

> I question how DOW looks at women who claim to be

> sick, who can afford to remove their implants, but

> keep them anyway. In that case, the underlying message

> is that the women are may not be as sick as they

> claim.

>

> However, I think they gave you a line of BS when they

> told you that you'd have the equivalent of a radical

> mastectomy. Unless they've already removed all your

> breast tissue during the multiple surgeries, you

> should look flattened, but fine. Nipples should be

> intact.

>

> I don't understand why they try to scare women who

> seek explant. We know (based on the hundreds of women

> we've seen come through the group) that one can have

> implants safely removed - if the doctor knows what

> they're doing - or should I say, if the doctor takes

> the issue seriously enough to do the job right!

>

> You might talk to Molly Bloom mollyb54@...

> . . She knows quite a bit about the settlement issues.

> She might be able to make some suggestion about how to

> handle your claim with them.

>

> Hugs and prayers,

>

> Rogene

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician

or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>

May 23, 2006

oh and Sherry ..you are right...it is not fair. It is simply that

their lawyers would get a lot of mileage and dollars from it. And

she will end up having to spend a lot more in legal fees to fight

that part of the battle. They will attack and she will have to

defend her position on it with time , energy and money. Dow will

also use it " to deflect " the attention and focus away from them,

what they did wrong and the core issues.

> > I question how DOW looks at women who claim to be

> > sick, who can afford to remove their implants, but

> > keep them anyway. In that case, the underlying message

> > is that the women are may not be as sick as they

> > claim.

> >

> > I think this is unfair. There are so many emotional issues that

> may be at play for women despite their being so ill. For many

women,

> surgery may be terrifying. Further, with their own physicians

> telling them that surgery will not alleviate their illnesses,

these

> women may be torn between their tendency to trust those who they

> have learned to view as figures of authority. Surely, there are

> women who are frightened of facing additional scarring. And, of

> course, many women sought implantation to begin with because they

> believe their own bodies to be not good enough and may avoid

> explantation because of the possibility that the surgery will

leave

> them even less acceptable and possibly deformed. To dismiss the

> severity of women's illnesses just because they struggled to make

> the decision that came for easily for some seems unfair to me.

> > Sherry

> > Re: Re: Seeking, Searching, hopefully

> finding

> >

> > Melinda,

> >

> > If your financial situation has been such that you

> > haven't been able to remove your implants, I don't

> > think still having your implants will hurt you with

> > DOW. . .

> >

> > I question how DOW looks at women who claim to be

> > sick, who can afford to remove their implants, but

> > keep them anyway. In that case, the underlying message

> > is that the women are may not be as sick as they

> > claim.

> >

> > However, I think they gave you a line of BS when they

> > told you that you'd have the equivalent of a radical

> > mastectomy. Unless they've already removed all your

> > breast tissue during the multiple surgeries, you

> > should look flattened, but fine. Nipples should be

> > intact.

> >

> > I don't understand why they try to scare women who

> > seek explant. We know (based on the hundreds of women

> > we've seen come through the group) that one can have

> > implants safely removed - if the doctor knows what

> > they're doing - or should I say, if the doctor takes

> > the issue seriously enough to do the job right!

> >

> > You might talk to Molly Bloom mollyb54@

> > . . She knows quite a bit about the settlement issues.

> > She might be able to make some suggestion about how to

> > handle your claim with them.

> >

> > Hugs and prayers,

> >

> > Rogene

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your

physician

> or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

> treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

> better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

> Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

link:

> > http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> >

May 29, 2006

Kathy, thanks so much! And congrat's on your daughter's graduation!

I'll buy blackstrap molasses, although doesn't the high sugar content

outweigh the iron benefits? I guess it's a tradeoff. I love carrot-

apple-ginger juice so thanks for the suggestion of adding beets to that.

Thanks again,

Laurie

On May 29, 2006, at 7:16 PM, mikat828 wrote:

>

> Laurie

> Sorry it took me so long to reply. My daughter graduated on wed

> andthen on saturday we had a graduation party and my son flew in

> from Dallas. It has been a busy week! Molasses itself has a fairly

> high iron content. Blackstrap molasses..regular molasses has been

> refined too much. Yes low iron can affect sleep and definitely

> affects tiredness. I think that one or more of these methods

> combined can help your iron levels. Organic liver is also high in

> iron. I would use it only if it is organic however. I eat organic

> liver every couple of weeks. If you juice beets with carrots and

> apple it is not bad tasting. And beets are good source of iron.

> Good luck

> Kathy

>

>>>>> LISA

>>>>>>>>> Dear Saline Sisters,

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I have not posted in a very, very long time, though I am

> very

>>>>> grateful for

>>>>>>>>> all of you and this

>>>>>>>>> forum. It is an honor to be connected with you.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I need help and I'm sincerely hoping one or more of you can

>>>>> assist me. I am

>>>>>>>>> already very

>>>>>>>>> grateful at the sheer prospect of it!

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I'll not get into my long history with silicone and saline

>>>>> implants --

>>>>>>>>> simply it began in

>>>>>>>>> 1974, 13 surgeries, testimony before the FDA, almost died 2

>>>>> times, lost a

>>>>>>>>> lot of living,

>>>>>>>>> almost lost my kids, ended up on SSI and then the day came

>>>>> where I said

>>>>>>>>> " Enough! " and I

>>>>>>>>> delved deeply into any alternative healling method I could

>>>>> find that worked

>>>>>>>>> for me. Today

>>>>>>>>> I am sooooooo much better compared to the near cripple I

> was.

>>>>> I am very

>>>>>>>>> grateful to God

>>>>>>>>> and friends and caring people.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> To do this getting better I had to choose to remain near

>>>>> impoverished

>>>>>>>>> because insurance

>>>>>>>>> of any kind does not cover alternative methods of healing

> and

>>>>> the monthly

>>>>>>>>> costs made it

>>>>>>>>> impossible for me to live on my own anymore.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I am so incredibly grateful many, though not all, of my

>>>>> medical tests are

>>>>>>>>> coming back as

>>>>>>>>> " normal " and delighted the doctors are in awe, wondering

> how

>>> I

>>>>> did it

>>>>>>>>> without their

>>>>>>>>> medicines. I'm just going with what worked for me. It's

> not

>>>>> everyone's

>>>>>>>>> path.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> What I am concerned with now is trying to find a doctor who

>>>>> was once very

>>>>>>>>> outspoken

>>>>>>>>> about silicone and saline. His name was, I think, Craig

>>>>> Dykgraf (sp?) and

>>>>>>>>> he was in

>>>>>>>>> Southfield, Michigan. He was an occupational/environmental

>>>>> physician who

>>>>>>>>> once worked

>>>>>>>>> for Dow and then left them to treat their employees who

> were

>>>>> becoming sick

>>>>>>>>> from making

>>>>>>>>> implants as well as women who had them inserted into their

>>>>> bodies.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I need a " metals " blood test. I know this doctor treated

> me

>>>>> years ago and

>>>>>>>>> took such tests

>>>>>>>>> and I cannot find him. I need a comparative study done and

>>> as

>>>>> well my

>>>>>>>>> present clinic

>>>>>>>>> doctor, who is new to the game of medicine, will not order

> a

>>>>> metals test

>>>>>>>>> unless he sees

>>>>>>>>> cause. I can tell him cause until I'm blue in the face but

>>>>> without some

>>>>>>>>> proof (and with all

>>>>>>>>> the moving I've done from here to there I don't know where

> I

>>>>> put my records)

>>>>>>>>> that it is

>>>>>>>>> necessary I cannot get it done and paid for by my

> insurance.

>>>>> Dr. Dykgraf

>>>>>>>>> would be the

>>>>>>>>> one to offer what I need.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Do any of you know of him and/or where he might be? If

>>> anyone

>>>>> does I would

>>>>>>>>> so

>>>>>>>>> appreciate the information.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Keep on keepin' on because we are shiners of love as we've

>>>>> been blessed to

>>>>>>>>> learn just how

>>>>>>>>> important and significant that is.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> May the Blessings Be.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Most Sincerely,

>>>>>>>>> Melinda

>>>>>>>>> aSkydaughter@

>>>>>>>>> mandalai@ (most used)

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Feel free to call! Free PC-to-PC calls. Low rates on PC-to-

>>>>> Phone. Get

>>>>>>> Messenger with Voice

>>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>

> <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman10/*http://us.rd.yaho

>>>>> o.com/evt

>>>>>>> =39663/*http://messenger.>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

>>>>> given by licensed

>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>>>>> health care

>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>>>>> mislead you.

>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> about

>>>>> how to live a

>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

>>> ing,

>>>>> two-time

>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

>>> link:

>>>>>>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>>>>>>>

May 29, 2006

Laurie

Sorry it took me so long to reply. My daughter graduated on wed

andthen on saturday we had a graduation party and my son flew in

from Dallas. It has been a busy week! Molasses itself has a fairly

high iron content. Blackstrap molasses..regular molasses has been

refined too much. Yes low iron can affect sleep and definitely

affects tiredness. I think that one or more of these methods

combined can help your iron levels. Organic liver is also high in

iron. I would use it only if it is organic however. I eat organic

liver every couple of weeks. If you juice beets with carrots and

apple it is not bad tasting. And beets are good source of iron.

Good luck

Kathy

> >>> LISA

> >>>>>>> Dear Saline Sisters,

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I have not posted in a very, very long time, though I am

very

> >>> grateful for

> >>>>>>> all of you and this

> >>>>>>> forum. It is an honor to be connected with you.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I need help and I'm sincerely hoping one or more of you can

> >>> assist me. I am

> >>>>>>> already very

> >>>>>>> grateful at the sheer prospect of it!

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I'll not get into my long history with silicone and saline

> >>> implants --

> >>>>>>> simply it began in

> >>>>>>> 1974, 13 surgeries, testimony before the FDA, almost died 2

> >>> times, lost a

> >>>>>>> lot of living,

> >>>>>>> almost lost my kids, ended up on SSI and then the day came

> >>> where I said

> >>>>>>> " Enough! " and I

> >>>>>>> delved deeply into any alternative healling method I could

> >>> find that worked

> >>>>>>> for me. Today

> >>>>>>> I am sooooooo much better compared to the near cripple I

was.

> >>> I am very

> >>>>>>> grateful to God

> >>>>>>> and friends and caring people.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> To do this getting better I had to choose to remain near

> >>> impoverished

> >>>>>>> because insurance

> >>>>>>> of any kind does not cover alternative methods of healing

and

> >>> the monthly

> >>>>>>> costs made it

> >>>>>>> impossible for me to live on my own anymore.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I am so incredibly grateful many, though not all, of my

> >>> medical tests are

> >>>>>>> coming back as

> >>>>>>> " normal " and delighted the doctors are in awe, wondering

how

> > I

> >>> did it

> >>>>>>> without their

> >>>>>>> medicines. I'm just going with what worked for me. It's

not

> >>> everyone's

> >>>>>>> path.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> What I am concerned with now is trying to find a doctor who

> >>> was once very

> >>>>>>> outspoken

> >>>>>>> about silicone and saline. His name was, I think, Craig

> >>> Dykgraf (sp?) and

> >>>>>>> he was in

> >>>>>>> Southfield, Michigan. He was an occupational/environmental

> >>> physician who

> >>>>>>> once worked

> >>>>>>> for Dow and then left them to treat their employees who

were

> >>> becoming sick

> >>>>>>> from making

> >>>>>>> implants as well as women who had them inserted into their

> >>> bodies.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I need a " metals " blood test. I know this doctor treated

me

> >>> years ago and

> >>>>>>> took such tests

> >>>>>>> and I cannot find him. I need a comparative study done and

> > as

> >>> well my

> >>>>>>> present clinic

> >>>>>>> doctor, who is new to the game of medicine, will not order

a

> >>> metals test

> >>>>>>> unless he sees

> >>>>>>> cause. I can tell him cause until I'm blue in the face but

> >>> without some

> >>>>>>> proof (and with all

> >>>>>>> the moving I've done from here to there I don't know where

I

> >>> put my records)

> >>>>>>> that it is

> >>>>>>> necessary I cannot get it done and paid for by my

insurance.

> >>> Dr. Dykgraf

> >>>>>>> would be the

> >>>>>>> one to offer what I need.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Do any of you know of him and/or where he might be? If

> > anyone

> >>> does I would

> >>>>>>> so

> >>>>>>> appreciate the information.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Keep on keepin' on because we are shiners of love as we've

> >>> been blessed to

> >>>>>>> learn just how

> >>>>>>> important and significant that is.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> May the Blessings Be.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Most Sincerely,

> >>>>>>> Melinda

> >>>>>>> aSkydaughter@

> >>>>>>> mandalai@ (most used)

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Feel free to call! Free PC-to-PC calls. Low rates on PC-to-

> >>> Phone. Get

> >>>>> Messenger with Voice

> >>>>>

> >>>

> >

<http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman10/*http://us.rd.yaho

> >>> o.com/evt

> >>>>> =39663/*http://messenger.>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> >>> given by licensed

> >>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> >>> health care

> >>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> >>> mislead you.

> >>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

about

> >>> how to live a

> >>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> > ing,

> >>> two-time

> >>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>>>

> >>>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

> > link:

> >>>>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> >>>>>

May 29, 2006

Laurie,

As I understand it, blackstrap molasses is a natural

sugar and doesn't have the same effect on the body as

refined sugar. I use it in place of sugar when making

bread. It makes great bread!

If you're on a stringent low glycemic diet, molassas

would be out too though.

Rogene

May 30, 2006

--- Hi Sweeties -- talking about " sweets " I learned that maple syrup

is the only sweetener that doesn't affect one's pancreas. It's yummy,

too! I use it in coffee, tea, everything. Also, it's one of the

ingredients in The Master Cleanse - water, maple syrup, lemon juice,

cayenne.

Love as usual,

Sunny

In , Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:

>

> Laurie,

>

> As I understand it, blackstrap molasses is a natural

> sugar and doesn't have the same effect on the body as

> refined sugar. I use it in place of sugar when making

> bread. It makes great bread!

>

> If you're on a stringent low glycemic diet, molassas

> would be out too though.

>

> Rogene

>

May 30, 2006

Rogene,

I bet if I came and stayed with you or Lea that I would be well in a month... You bake your own bread, you sound like a wonderful lady. I don't know anyone who makes there own bread anymore. I thought those days were long gone when my grandmother passed on. I bet you could make money feeding us sick women the right ingredients. I would be willing to detox there that is for sure. You just sound like a wonderful lady and I really do appreciate everything you do here for us all.

Big Hug,

Donna

June 1, 2006

Thanks Donna,

I really don't deserve that much praise! . . . All I

do, when I bake bread (and I don't bake all our

bread), is to put the ingredients in the bread machine

and turn it on! . . . Takes no more than a few

minutes!

There is a machine you can read about on

www.breadbeckers.com . . . Actually grinds grain into

flour. One of my friends raves about hers! She makes

her breads every two weeks and puts the extra in the

freezer.. . .

I didn't know it, but store bought flour has to have

preservatives put into it, or it would spoil in a

short time.

I'd love to have one of these machines, but I'm afraid

wouldn't find time for it!

Hugs,

Rogene

--- BSBanshee1@... wrote:

> Rogene,

>

> I bet if I came and stayed with you or Lea that I

> would be well in a month...

> You bake your own bread, you sound like a wonderful

> lady. I don't know

> anyone who makes there own bread anymore. I thought

> those days were long gone

> when my grandmother passed on. I bet you could make

> money feeding us sick women

> the right ingredients. I would be willing to detox

> there that is for sure.

> You just sound like a wonderful lady and I really do

> appreciate everything you

> do here for us all.

>

> Big Hug,

>

> Donna

>

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