Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Hey that one be a great questions to send to both Kolb and Melmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Because often there is mold and fungus growing in the saline, and you don't want that spilled into your body. Sis > > I understand the need to take silicone implants out 'enbloc " due to > possible spillage of the silicone inside the implants. > > But can someone explain to me why it is so necessary to do it with > saline implants? > > For ex: If the surgeon attaches a sterile drain and drains the fluid > out of the implants and then removes the implants and then performs a > total capsulectomy....why is this not safe??? > > Plus...if the capsule is very thin and the PS is trying to do it > enbloc....I would think there is greater potential to nick the implant > resulting in spilling what is in the saline implant into the chest. > Draining off all that implant fluid first seems to make some sense to > me. > > Having a hard time understanding the absolute need of enbloc with > saline implants. Help??? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 , Draining a saline implant before removing it would probably be OK . . . as long a the surgeon does everything possible to guard against spilling anything into the chest cavity. Can he/she be sure that saline won't pour out as soon as the capsule is punctured? Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Mold and fungus can also grow in silicone. Each type of implant has its own set of problems and many have crossover.auntsisnj <auntsisnj@...> wrote: Because often there is mold and fungus growing in the saline, and you don't want that spilled into your body. Sis>> I understand the need to take silicone implants out 'enbloc" due to > possible spillage of the silicone inside the implants. > > But can someone explain to me why it is so necessary to do it with > saline implants?> > For ex: If the surgeon attaches a sterile drain and drains the fluid > out of the implants and then removes the implants and then performs a > total capsulectomy....why is this not safe??? > > Plus...if the capsule is very thin and the PS is trying to do it > enbloc....I would think there is greater potential to nick the implant > resulting in spilling what is in the saline implant into the chest. > Draining off all that implant fluid first seems to make some sense to > me. > > Having a hard time understanding the absolute need of enbloc with > saline implants. Help???> Sneak preview the all-new .com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Actually, saline implants can be safely removed by first draining the fluid out of the implants, removing the implants and then performing a total capsulectomy. The en bloc removal procedure is vital for those with silicone gel implants, and I would never recommend gel removal any other way. However, there are a couple considerations with saline that would make en bloc removal preferred over doing a total capsulectomy after first draining the implant. There have been cases where doctors have claimed that they would do a total capsulectomy for the patient, but once they get in there, they get lazy and leave portions of the capsule behind because of the skill or extra time needed to do it right. Sometimes the capsule can be embedded pretty securely requiring scraping or there is slight danger associated with arteries that may be involved. If it is understood that an en bloc removal is desired, portions of the capsule won't be left behind, as the implant and scar tissue come out whole. The other concern is where the woman believes she has saline implants, but upon explant is actually found to have silicone gel. If there is rupture, this can be riskier as the gel can most certainly spill into the chest. This needs to be avoided at all costs. Incredibly, we have seen this scenario more than once. I guess doctors think that once we are sewn up, we'll be too stupid to ever know the difference if we got silicone gel over saline. For some reason, they have taken it upon themselves to insert the wrong kind of implant. Who knows why? Maybe getting rid of old inventory? Maybe thinking that the silicone gel will have a better aethetic result than saline? Maybe the woman just got confused and didn't realize she was getting silicone gel? Maybe she really got double lumen and the outer sac leaked and disappeared so that all that was left was the gel implant????? I don't know. I just know that there have been women who claimed that they were implanted with saline implants, but upon surgery for removal, they found silicone gel in there. En bloc is just the safest way to go. If a saline implant is contaminated with gunk of all kinds, you certainly don't want to take any chances of having that spill inside the body. However, there are many women that can have a safe removal of the implant by draining and then making sure that a total capsulectomy is performed. The best case for this is if they have not had the implants for very long. If the implants are a really old set of saline, I would be more inclined to recommend en bloc, just because it is the safest way to go. Patty sedwards41255 <sedwards41255@...> wrote: I understand the need to take silicone implants out 'enbloc" due to possible spillage of the silicone inside the implants. But can someone explain to me why it is so necessary to do it with saline implants? For ex: If the surgeon attaches a sterile drain and drains the fluid out of the implants and then removes the implants and then performs a total capsulectomy....why is this not safe??? Plus...if the capsule is very thin and the PS is trying to do it enbloc....I would think there is greater potential to nick the implant resulting in spilling what is in the saline implant into the chest. Draining off all that implant fluid first seems to make some sense to me. Having a hard time understanding the absolute need of enbloc with saline implants. Help??? __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Sherry, Can you really be as naive as you sound. Most plastic surgeons have their own inventory, it is not the hospital's property. Most implants are actually placed elsewhere than in the hospital also. And, plastic surgeons have many reasons to get rid of that inventory, it is called $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Lynda At 08:43 AM 6/5/2006, you wrote: >The " inventory " does not belong to the surgeon. It generally belongs >to the hospital. The surgeon has no incentive to conspire against >women and to deceive women in order to " get rid of old inventory. " > Sherry > Re: Question re: enbloc > >Actually, saline implants can be safely removed by first draining >the fluid out of the implants, removing the implants and then >performing a total capsulectomy. > >The en bloc removal procedure is vital for those with silicone gel >implants, and I would never recommend gel removal any other way. > >However, there are a couple considerations with saline that would >make en bloc removal preferred over doing a total capsulectomy after >first draining the implant. > >There have been cases where doctors have claimed that they would do >a total capsulectomy for the patient, but once they get in there, >they get lazy and leave portions of the capsule behind because of >the skill or extra time needed to do it right. Sometimes the >capsule can be embedded pretty securely requiring scraping or there >is slight danger associated with arteries that may be involved. If >it is understood that an en bloc removal is desired, portions of the >capsule won't be left behind, as the implant and scar tissue come out whole. > >The other concern is where the woman believes she has saline >implants, but upon explant is actually found to have silicone >gel. If there is rupture, this can be riskier as the gel can most >certainly spill into the chest. This needs to be avoided at all costs. > >Incredibly, we have seen this scenario more than once. I guess >doctors think that once we are sewn up, we'll be too stupid to ever >know the difference if we got silicone gel over saline. For some >reason, they have taken it upon themselves to insert the wrong kind >of implant. Who knows why? Maybe getting rid of old >inventory? Maybe thinking that the silicone gel will have a better >aethetic result than saline? Maybe the woman just got confused and >didn't realize she was getting silicone gel? Maybe she really got >double lumen and the outer sac leaked and disappeared so that all >that was left was the gel implant????? I don't know. I just know >that there have been women who claimed that they were implanted with >saline implants, but upon surgery for removal, they found silicone >gel in there. > >En bloc is just the safest way to go. If a saline implant is >contaminated with gunk of all kinds, you certainly don't want to >take any chances of having that spill inside the body. > >However, there are many women that can have a safe removal of the >implant by draining and then making sure that a total capsulectomy >is performed. The best case for this is if they have not had the >implants for very long. If the implants are a really old set of >saline, I would be more inclined to recommend en bloc, just because >it is the safest way to go. > >Patty > >sedwards41255 <sedwards41255@...> wrote: >I understand the need to take silicone implants out 'enbloc " due to >possible spillage of the silicone inside the implants. > >But can someone explain to me why it is so necessary to do it with >saline implants? > > For ex: If the surgeon attaches a sterile drain and drains the fluid >out of the implants and then removes the implants and then performs a >total capsulectomy....why is this not safe??? > >Plus...if the capsule is very thin and the PS is trying to do it >enbloc....I would think there is greater potential to nick the implant >resulting in spilling what is in the saline implant into the chest. >Draining off all that implant fluid first seems to make some sense to >me. > >Having a hard time understanding the absolute need of enbloc with >saline implants. Help??? > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, >Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: ><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.co\ m/action/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Inventory belongs to the surgeon who performs surgery in his own practice, which of course, MOST of them do. How can you possibly speak for any other doctor than yourself? You do not know what other surgeons are capable of doing. And we know, based on lawsuits that they do some very unethical things. Wake up. Patty _00_ <5678@...> wrote: The "inventory" does not belong to the surgeon. It generally belongs to the hospital. The surgeon has no incentive to conspire against women and to deceive women in order to "get rid of old inventory." Sherry Re: Question re: enbloc Actually, saline implants can be safely removed by first draining the fluid out of the implants, removing the implants and then performing a total capsulectomy. The en bloc removal procedure is vital for those with silicone gel implants, and I would never recommend gel removal any other way. However, there are a couple considerations with saline that would make en bloc removal preferred over doing a total capsulectomy after first draining the implant. There have been cases where doctors have claimed that they would do a total capsulectomy for the patient, but once they get in there, they get lazy and leave portions of the capsule behind because of the skill or extra time needed to do it right. Sometimes the capsule can be embedded pretty securely requiring scraping or there is slight danger associated with arteries that may be involved. If it is understood that an en bloc removal is desired, portions of the capsule won't be left behind, as the implant and scar tissue come out whole. The other concern is where the woman believes she has saline implants, but upon explant is actually found to have silicone gel. If there is rupture, this can be riskier as the gel can most certainly spill into the chest. This needs to be avoided at all costs. Incredibly, we have seen this scenario more than once. I guess doctors think that once we are sewn up, we'll be too stupid to ever know the difference if we got silicone gel over saline. For some reason, they have taken it upon themselves to insert the wrong kind of implant. Who knows why? Maybe getting rid of old inventory? Maybe thinking that the silicone gel will have a better aethetic result than saline? Maybe the woman just got confused and didn't realize she was getting silicone gel? Maybe she really got double lumen and the outer sac leaked and disappeared so that all that was left was the gel implant????? I don't know. I just know that there have been women who claimed that they were implanted with saline implants, but upon surgery for removal, they found silicone gel in there. En bloc is just the safest way to go. If a saline implant is contaminated with gunk of all kinds, you certainly don't want to take any chances of having that spill inside the body. However, there are many women that can have a safe removal of the implant by draining and then making sure that a total capsulectomy is performed. The best case for this is if they have not had the implants for very long. If the implants are a really old set of saline, I would be more inclined to recommend en bloc, just because it is the safest way to go. Patty sedwards41255 <sedwards41255@...> wrote: I understand the need to take silicone implants out 'enbloc" due to possible spillage of the silicone inside the implants. But can someone explain to me why it is so necessary to do it with saline implants? For ex: If the surgeon attaches a sterile drain and drains the fluid out of the implants and then removes the implants and then performs a total capsulectomy....why is this not safe??? Plus...if the capsule is very thin and the PS is trying to do it enbloc....I would think there is greater potential to nick the implant resulting in spilling what is in the saline implant into the chest. Draining off all that implant fluid first seems to make some sense to me. Having a hard time understanding the absolute need of enbloc with saline implants. Help??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Oh, by the way, want to hear a good one? I know a woman who got implants from her plastic surgeon at a reduced rate. Guess what she got? One implant from one manufacturer, and another implant from a different manufacturer! He gave her the reduced rate and told her it was an experiment. She took the bait! You wonder how stupid some people can be. Or how bold some doctors are in even suggesting this stuff. Getting rid of inventory? You betcha. Patty > The " inventory " does not belong to the surgeon. It generally belongs to the hospital. The surgeon has no incentive to conspire against women and to deceive women in order to " get rid of old inventory. " > Sherry > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Well, then there is the one about the implants traced to more than one patient. Dr. Blais had an implant that could be traced to 3 patients. Greed!!!! Lynda At 10:36 AM 6/5/2006, you wrote: >Oh, by the way, want to hear a good one? I know a woman who got >implants from her plastic surgeon at a reduced rate. Guess what she >got? One implant from one manufacturer, and another implant from a >different manufacturer! He gave her the reduced rate and told her >it was an experiment. She took the bait! > >You wonder how stupid some people can be. Or how bold some doctors >are in even suggesting this stuff. Getting rid of inventory? You >betcha. >Patty > > > > The " inventory " does not belong to the surgeon. It >generally belongs to the hospital. The surgeon has no incentive to >conspire against women and to deceive women in order to " get rid of >old inventory. " > > Sherry > > > > > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, >Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: ><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.co\ m/action/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Patty.... You actually wrote about a scenario I thought of and had horrors over yesterday. I thought to myself.... " what if they go in and find out I have silicone " ....I mean I have no proof that I have saline...although that is what I asked for and thought I received!!! I am waiting on the implant doctor report. I did think this....just yesterday. !!! > > The " inventory " does not belong to the surgeon. It > generally belongs to the hospital. The surgeon has no incentive to > conspire against women and to deceive women in order to " get rid of > old inventory. " > > Sherry > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 , It certainly would not be the first time this has happened, but in most cases, you have what the doc says you have. Lynda At 11:00 AM 6/5/2006, you wrote: >Patty.... >You actually wrote about a scenario I thought of and had horrors >over yesterday. I thought to myself.... " what if they go in and find >out I have silicone " ....I mean I have no proof that I have >saline...although that is what I asked for and thought I received!!! >I am waiting on the implant doctor report. >I did think this....just yesterday. !!! > > > > > > The " inventory " does not belong to the surgeon. It > > generally belongs to the hospital. The surgeon has no incentive to > > conspire against women and to deceive women in order to " get rid >of > > old inventory. " > > > Sherry > > > > > > > > > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, >Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: ><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.co\ m/action/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 ---This is very disturbing, but believable. I worked with a herbalist (ex-nurse who had been put in a wheelchair due to a car accident). She was told she would never walk again. Stubborn and determined, she began studying herbs and cooked up a concoction - it was dark brown and smelled liked cloves! Anyway, she got better and walked again. She began helping other people, she had a heart for native people here in Alberta. I went travelling with her to different cities, where we would have 2 day clinics set up. She told me horror stories of native people being exploited - amputations done of feet and legs, being told that the infection was too bad and they had to amputate. Their bones would be sent to Eastern Canada for use with caucasion peoples' surgeries. She helped people with AIDS (I saw their lab results change!), and all kinds of diseases that were called " incurable " . She was chased down by medical officials and told to stop her work. She kept moving and going underground. Where was I going with this?? Oh, yeah...there are dishonest and immoral people in all areas of life. We need to discern. We need to ask for references, etc. I'm in favor of all wellness approaches, especially preventive methods, and am glad to see alot of medical doctors are coming around to this. When I do my workshops, I meet quite a few " holistic minded " people who can be quite self-righteous - so my favorite thing to say is, " if you break your leg, what are you going to do?? Put a herbal pack on it??!! lol They even laugh with me! I've had 2 life-saving surgeries and thank God for surgeon's skilled and loving hands! Love to All of You from Long-winded Sunny In , Lynda <coss@...> wrote: > > Well, then there is the one about the implants traced to more than > one patient. Dr. Blais had an implant that could be traced to 3 > patients. Greed!!!! > > Lynda > > > At 10:36 AM 6/5/2006, you wrote: > >Oh, by the way, want to hear a good one? I know a woman who got > >implants from her plastic surgeon at a reduced rate. Guess what she > >got? One implant from one manufacturer, and another implant from a > >different manufacturer! He gave her the reduced rate and told her > >it was an experiment. She took the bait! > > > >You wonder how stupid some people can be. Or how bold some doctors > >are in even suggesting this stuff. Getting rid of inventory? You > >betcha. > >Patty > > > > > > > The " inventory " does not belong to the surgeon. It > >generally belongs to the hospital. The surgeon has no incentive to > >conspire against women and to deceive women in order to " get rid of > >old inventory. " > > > Sherry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given > >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or > >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, > >Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: > ><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shu tterfly.com/action/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 This sounds like like the nurse who worked with a tea called Essiac. Her name was Caisse, and the tea is her name spelled backwards. It's now sold in a formula put out by Flora products. Could that be the same woman? http://www.thecancerblog.com/2006/03/03/folk-medicine-essiac-ojibwa-shamans-herbal-tea One of my dear friends went to her and used this tea to cure her father of cancer. It worked! This was many years ago, obviously, but I remember my friend telling me about going to Canada to get the recipe from this woman, then buying the wildcrafted herbs and making this potion for her father. He was cured of cancer, which one I forgot, but she said it also made him grow these long thick dark hairs on his chest! He eventually died from Alzheimers many years after being cured of cancer. Interesting, Sunny, thanks for sharing. PattySunny <wellnessnow@...> wrote: ---This is very disturbing, but believable. I worked with a herbalist (ex-nurse who had been put in a wheelchair due to a car accident). She was told she would never walk again. Stubborn and determined, she began studying herbs and cooked up a concoction - it was dark brown and smelled liked cloves! Anyway, she got better and walked again. She began helping other people, she had a heart for native people here in Alberta. I went travelling with her to different cities, where we would have 2 day clinics set up. She told me horror stories of native people being exploited - amputations done of feet and legs, being told that the infection was too bad and they had to amputate. Their bones would be sent to Eastern Canada for use with caucasion peoples' surgeries. She helped people with AIDS (I saw their lab results change!), and all kinds of diseases that were called "incurable". She was chased down by medical officials and told to stop her work. She kept moving and going underground. Where was I going with this?? Oh, yeah...there are dishonest and immoral people in all areas of life. We need to discern. We need to ask for references, etc. I'm in favor of all wellness approaches, especially preventive methods, and am glad to see alot of medical doctors are coming around to this. When I do my workshops, I meet quite a few "holistic minded" people who can be quite self-righteous - so my favorite thing to say is, "if you break your leg, what are you going to do?? Put a herbal pack on it??!! lol They even laugh with me! I've had 2 life-saving surgeries and thank God for surgeon's skilled and loving hands!Love to All of You from Long-winded Sunny In , Lynda <coss@...> wrote:>> Well, then there is the one about the implants traced to more than > one patient. Dr. Blais had an implant that could be traced to 3 > patients. Greed!!!!> > Lynda> > > At 10:36 AM 6/5/2006, you wrote:> >Oh, by the way, want to hear a good one? I know a woman who got> >implants from her plastic surgeon at a reduced rate. Guess what she> >got? One implant from one manufacturer, and another implant from a> >different manufacturer! He gave her the reduced rate and told her> >it was an experiment. She took the bait!> >> >You wonder how stupid some people can be. Or how bold some doctors> >are in even suggesting this stuff. Getting rid of inventory? You> >betcha.> >Patty> >> >> > > The "inventory" does not belong to the surgeon. It> >generally belongs to the hospital. The surgeon has no incentive to> >conspire against women and to deceive women in order to "get rid of> >old inventory."> > > Sherry> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given > >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or > >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.> >> >"Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > >better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, > >Chemistry; 1963, Peace)> >> >See our photos website! Enter "implants" for access at this link:> ><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.com/action/> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 --- Patty, this lady was living in Alberta and her product was called Omeda. Yukky, thick, brown syrupy stuff, that smelled like cloves, but did it do the trick! The native people here called her " the white woman with a native heart " . She saved so many lives. It was an honor to work with her. I'm actually going to try and find her again. She has to literally hide away to keep helping people. She's a threat to the medical system, and they come after her. Have a wonderful day! Love, Sunny In , Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...> wrote: > > This sounds like like the nurse who worked with a tea called Essiac. Her name was Caisse, and the tea is her name spelled backwards. It's now sold in a formula put out by Flora products. > Could that be the same woman? > > http://www.thecancerblog.com/2006/03/03/folk-medicine-essiac- ojibwa-shamans-herbal-tea > > One of my dear friends went to her and used this tea to cure her father of cancer. It worked! This was many years ago, obviously, but I remember my friend telling me about going to Canada to get the recipe from this woman, then buying the wildcrafted herbs and making this potion for her father. He was cured of cancer, which one I forgot, but she said it also made him grow these long thick dark hairs on his chest! He eventually died from Alzheimers many years after being cured of cancer. > > Interesting, Sunny, thanks for sharing. > Patty > > Sunny <wellnessnow@...> wrote: > ---This is very disturbing, but believable. I worked with a > herbalist (ex-nurse who had been put in a wheelchair due to a car > accident). She was told she would never walk again. Stubborn and > determined, she began studying herbs and cooked up a concoction - it > was dark brown and smelled liked cloves! Anyway, she got better and > walked again. She began helping other people, she had a heart for > native people here in Alberta. I went travelling with her to > different cities, where we would have 2 day clinics set up. She told > me horror stories of native people being exploited - amputations done > of feet and legs, being told that the infection was too bad and they > had to amputate. Their bones would be sent to Eastern Canada for use > with caucasion peoples' surgeries. She helped people with AIDS (I > saw their lab results change!), and all kinds of diseases that were > called " incurable " . She was chased down by medical officials and told > to stop her work. She kept moving and going underground. Where was > I going with this?? Oh, yeah...there are dishonest and immoral people > in all areas of life. We need to discern. We need to ask for > references, etc. I'm in favor of all wellness approaches, especially > preventive methods, and am glad to see alot of medical doctors are > coming around to this. When I do my workshops, I meet quite a > few " holistic minded " people who can be quite self-righteous - so my > favorite thing to say is, " if you break your leg, what are you going > to do?? Put a herbal pack on it??!! lol They even laugh with me! > I've had 2 life-saving surgeries and thank God for surgeon's skilled > and loving hands! > > Love to All of You from Long-winded Sunny > > In , Lynda <coss@> wrote: > > > > Well, then there is the one about the implants traced to more than > > one patient. Dr. Blais had an implant that could be traced to 3 > > patients. Greed!!!! > > > > Lynda > > > > > > At 10:36 AM 6/5/2006, you wrote: > > >Oh, by the way, want to hear a good one? I know a woman who got > > >implants from her plastic surgeon at a reduced rate. Guess what > she > > >got? One implant from one manufacturer, and another implant from a > > >different manufacturer! He gave her the reduced rate and told her > > >it was an experiment. She took the bait! > > > > > >You wonder how stupid some people can be. Or how bold some doctors > > >are in even suggesting this stuff. Getting rid of inventory? You > > >betcha. > > >Patty > > > > > > > > > > The " inventory " does not belong to the surgeon. It > > >generally belongs to the hospital. The surgeon has no incentive to > > >conspire against women and to deceive women in order to " get rid of > > >old inventory. " > > > > Sherry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given > > >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or > > >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical > treatment. > > > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > > >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > > >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > > >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, > > >Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: > > > ><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shu > tterfly.com/action/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Sunny . . Something comes to mind regarding your grand daughter's boil . . My massage therapist told me of a preparation that her mother used to use on her . . . I'm afraid I don't have the right spelling . . . but maybe someone here can help . . . Icthomicin? It's a stinky, brown substance that quickly pulls toxins out of the body. It's used to treat animals - but it also does wonder for people - especially those problems that the doctors give up on! Hugs. Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Do you mean Ivermectin? Sherry Re: Re: Question re: enbloc > Sunny . . > > Something comes to mind regarding your grand > daughter's boil . . > > My massage therapist told me of a preparation that her > mother used to use on her . . . I'm afraid I don't > have the right spelling . . . but maybe someone here > can help . . . Icthomicin? > > It's a stinky, brown substance that quickly pulls > toxins out of the body. It's used to treat animals - > but it also does wonder for people - especially those > problems that the doctors give up on! > > Hugs. > > Rogene > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by > licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed > health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live > a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, > two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: > http://.shutterfly.com/action/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Nope, that's not it. . . I remember my mother using it on me when I was a little kid. I hated it because it was smelly, nasty looking and would make a mess of everything it touched. Think of diluted tar. Rogene --- _00_ <5678@...> wrote: > Do you mean Ivermectin? > Sherry > > Re: Re: Question re: enbloc > > > > Sunny . . > > > > Something comes to mind regarding your grand > > daughter's boil . . > > > > My massage therapist told me of a preparation that > her > > mother used to use on her . . . I'm afraid I don't > > have the right spelling . . . but maybe someone > here > > can help . . . Icthomicin? > > > > It's a stinky, brown substance that quickly pulls > > toxins out of the body. It's used to treat animals > - > > but it also does wonder for people - especially > those > > problems that the doctors give up on! > > > > Hugs. > > > > Rogene > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place > of advice given by > > licensed health care professionals. Consult your > physician or licensed > > health care professional before commencing any > medical treatment. > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the > politicians mislead you. > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own > decisions about how to live > > a happy life and how to work for a better world. " > - Linus ing, > > two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; > 1963, Peace) > > > > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for > access at this link: > > http://.shutterfly.com/action/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 You can also try camomile tea bags. That was recommended to me when I had one, it soon burst. You have to keep applying them to get all the poison out but it helps with the pain too. I put one one as hot as possible then wrapped bandages around it to keep it in place. Camomile is very healing and helps reduce bruising too. -- Re: Question re: enbloc --- Thanks, Rogene - I'll pass that on to . She's using a black tea bag (warm) on it today...my Mom used to do that for me, also Mom used to bake a half onion and slap it on! The good ole days, eh?She really hopes it won't have to be lanced, as that is miserable, especially in that area!!Love ya lots,Sunny :)In , Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:>> Sunny . . > > Something comes to mind regarding your grand> daughter's boil . . > > My massage therapist told me of a preparation that her> mother used to use on her . . . I'm afraid I don't> have the right spelling . . . but maybe someone here> can help . . . Icthomicin? > > It's a stinky, brown substance that quickly pulls> toxins out of the body. It's used to treat animals -> but it also does wonder for people - especially those> problems that the doctors give up on!> > Hugs.> > Rogene> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 --- , thanks for the tip! We've been using tea bags - have to slip one in her diaper, when she doesn't notice, as she's very touchy about what we do down there!! Poor little girl - I had a few nasty spider bites last summer, one turned into a huge abscess, and boy, I could hardly walk for a week, IV antibiotics! Love, Sunny In , " Lambert " <manditenerife1@...> wrote: > > You can also try camomile tea bags. That was recommended to me when I had > one, it soon burst. You have to keep applying them to get all the poison > out but it helps with the pain too. > I put one one as hot as possible then wrapped bandages around it to keep it > in place. Camomile is very healing and helps reduce bruising too. > > -- Re: Question re: enbloc > > --- Thanks, Rogene - I'll pass that on to . She's using a black > tea bag (warm) on it today...my Mom used to do that for me, also Mom > used to bake a half onion and slap it on! The good ole days, eh? > She really hopes it won't have to be lanced, as that is miserable, > especially in that area!! > > Love ya lots, > > Sunny > > In , Rogene S <saxony01@> wrote: > > > > Sunny . . > > > > Something comes to mind regarding your grand > > daughter's boil . . > > > > My massage therapist told me of a preparation that her > > mother used to use on her . . . I'm afraid I don't > > have the right spelling . . . but maybe someone here > > can help . . . Icthomicin? > > > > It's a stinky, brown substance that quickly pulls > > toxins out of the body. It's used to treat animals - > > but it also does wonder for people - especially those > > problems that the doctors give up on! > > > > Hugs. > > > > Rogene > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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