Jump to content
RemedySpot.com

a couple questions

Rate this topic


Guest guest

Recommended Posts

Guest guest

I think it is normal to have your levels fluctuate somewhat. Mine did.

From what I understand, the " natural " T boosters are a crock. If you

have primary hypogonadism your balls are basically " dead " and there

is nothing that will help them. Secondary is a different matter, but

from what I know, only HCG is an alternative to T replacement therapy.

Regards,

K4

> I posted these over at ASI, but thought I'd post 'em here

> also.

>

> Is it normal for low libido and performance to wax and wane?

> Sometimes it gets a little better..sometimes worse..

>

> Are there natural supplements you can take to boost your T level or

> make the " little buddies " do their job better? If so, is this

> preferable to submitting to T replacement therapy?

>

> Thanks, Jerry

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

I have a high libido 24/7 though everything doesn't always work 24/7.

Everyone is different, but I get peaks and troughs regarding energy, mood

etc.

Steph

----- Original Message -----

From: " octoberguy1 "

Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 5:23 PM

> Is it normal for low libido and performance to wax and wane?

> Sometimes it gets a little better..sometimes worse..

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Yeah, dead and tiny tots! Mine weren't that big to begin with, now with the

downside of TRT they are practically non-existent.

Steph

----- Original Message -----

From: " kaitain4 "

Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 7:32 PM

..............If you have primary hypogonadism your balls are basically

" dead " and there is nothing that will help them.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

I've been on one form of TRT or another since Feb ' 99 and I guess that I'm

in minority that I haven't lost nut mass. When I'm relaxed, my dick and

nuts hang ~4 " below pelvic floor. My nuts are about size of unshelled

walnuts.

So atrophy of nuts is not necessarily a given on when a man goes on TRT.

OR eon

65 yo

HIV+ GayMan

Re: Re: A couple questions

Yeah, dead and tiny tots! Mine weren't that big to begin with, now with the

downside of TRT they are practically non-existent.

Steph

----- Original Message -----

From: " kaitain4 "

Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 7:32 PM

..............If you have primary hypogonadism your balls are basically

" dead " and there is nothing that will help them.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 3 years later...
Guest guest

Hi there

I am not sure about the ritilan thing - I have never heard of anyone being prescribed that for CFS before. as far as the breasts pains go, I think this is normal as nerves have been cut and damaged, etc. I still have some pains and issues now and then and I am 3 years post explant. Of course I also had to have a total of 4 surgeries to fix complications, etc., including early capsular contracture so I may have more damage there than a lot of people do as I have 4 different sets of scars. With all operations and incisions come scar tissue... this can tighten and send out the "stabbing" pains you are describing. I had a rough explant (lots of scar tissue removed after 7 years-they were stuck to my ribs and had to be scrapped off) and I remember a lot of the pains for several months afterwards. I think it is just your body's way of healing the nerve ending and tissues. If you think about it, it is a pretty invasive surgery to begin with... I don't know why I never thought of this before implanting - I was young and blind i guess. They put mine under the muscle which meant they had to cut my chest muscles and pull them from my ribs to insert the darned things to begin with thru my armpits.... then the early CC set in so they had to come out and back in again, through the nipple, then I had a rupture a year later which ad to be replaced as well then 3 years after that is when I realized the cause of all my illnesses and had them removed - under breast crease incision that time. with every cut comes more scar tissue upon healing.... I do not think I will ever be quite normal there after all I have had done. You also may want to check into another issue I was diagnosed with after explant which resulted in the types of pains you are describing.... it was called costochondritis which is an inflammation of the rib cartilidge whixh my PS said was farily common among women who have had multiple breast surgeries... mine was really bad at first and after they put me on some anti inflam. medsand it got better... unfortunately they put me on Vioxx then when it was OK and it did work for me back then. he said that was very delicate tissue there and prone to get irritated and inflammed/infected easily.

I hope this helps... sorry for the typos above....

shari

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

,

I am on Corvelan-M for fatigue, muscle stiffness and energy. It seems to be working great. You just put a scoopful in a glass of juice or something. Drink and there you have energy. I was like feeling like a nap several times a day. I am getting better so it must work. I been on it for 3 weeks. Ritalin is for people who are hyper and ADD children take it? My nephew was on this. I would try the herbal first wouldn't hurt. I got mine from Dr. Kolb's office. I think Penni is on it too? Penni is it working for you yet? Good Luck and Healthy Healing .

Sincerely,

Donna

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

,

Corvalen-M is a energy Dietary supplement, good for fatigue, muscle pain, soreness, and stiffness associated with diminished cellular energy. I got my tub of Corvalen-M to give you exact readings off of the label. Hope it helps .

Donna

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Shari,

OMG you went thru some massive surgeries. Thank God you are ok and with us. I can see why you are so upset about your neighbor. I was talking to my boyfriends sister in law tonight who passes instruments to doctors during surgery. She has worked for several hospitals in our area. She was telling me how doctors have this certain hush hush policy among them. She told me clearly that she has witnessed surgeries where patients have died due to the doctor making a major mistake. Then they cover it up and the patients families never know the truth. This was scary but I believed every word she is not one that lies. She said, she has done some breast implant cases of silicone and she said, they hardly ever removed the capsule, just the implant because of rupture. She said, in a few cases they did remove the capsule and had to pick the silicone out and lymph nodes in the arm pit. I told her about Rogene's story how she said, God must have guided her plastic surgeons hand, she like the story. She was amazed at my story and she told me she will warn women if she finds them at the hospital. She said, there were so many times I got out of surgery and wanted to call the patients family Donna. She said, but I would lose my job and I can't afford that. She said, the doctors might cut through someone's main heart valve or something by accident. Cover it up and tell the patients family, they just couldn't handle the surgery they are sorry. They never knew the truth. She said, she would not put it pass any doctor to cover up to keep from a law suit. She said, this goes on almost everyday. They didn't want to tell you the truth, nor touch you, in fear of a law suit. She said, How sad and she is going to warn women. Including her sister in law who has breast implants, she has fibrodmilasya so bad she can't work any longer. She was totally in the dark until tonight and worked hand in hand with these doctors. She said, I just pass instruments, then she said she has witnessed stuff but you have to keep your mouth shut or lose your job. She said, they probably are out playing golf and didn't study at the seminars when they attend for further education. This is insane and makes me never want another surgery in my lifetime. I think I will die first. Sad world we live in that is for sure.

Donna

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Good Evening All! How is everyone tonight. I see the tension is lessoning. Is it safe to come back? I don't do well with confrontations. I have a couple questions. First, my doctor wants to put me on Ritilan for my chronic fatigue. Has anyone heard of this? He knows how much I hate taking prescription meds, but he is not impressed with the results of my diet changes. So he prescribed the smallest dosage then told me to cut it in half. He doesn't want me taking a lot, he just thinks it will give the "getty up" I need to get my day started. I know they use Ritilan to treat narcolepsy, I didn't know they use it to treat chronic fatigue. What do you ladies think? Also, all day I kept getting a piercing pain in my left breast. It feels like someone took a long pin and stuck my through the skin and into the

ribs. It comes and goes, but it really hurts. I am a little over four months post explant. Is this common to still have these shooting pains? Have a good night, __________________________________________________

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

,

I cannot speak for everyone, but I would NEVER take Ritalin for your problems.

Someone else can maybe answer the other question better, but I think

scar tissue can take a while and so can a damaged nerve, so time will

probably heal your stabbing pain.

Lynda

At 07:19 PM 6/14/2006, you wrote:

>Good Evening All!

>

>How is everyone tonight. I see the tension is lessoning. Is it

>safe to come back? I don't do well with confrontations. I have a

>couple questions.

>

>First, my doctor wants to put me on Ritilan for my chronic

>fatigue. Has anyone heard of this? He knows how much I hate taking

>prescription meds, but he is not impressed with the results of my

>diet changes. So he prescribed the smallest dosage then told me to

>cut it in half. He doesn't want me taking a lot, he just thinks it

>will give the " getty up " I need to get my day started. I know they

>use Ritilan to treat narcolepsy, I didn't know they use it to treat

>chronic fatigue. What do you ladies think?

>

>Also, all day I kept getting a piercing pain in my left breast. It

>feels like someone took a long pin and stuck my through the skin and

>into the ribs. It comes and goes, but it really hurts. I am a

>little over four months post explant. Is this common to still have

>these shooting pains?

>

>Have a good night,

>

>

>

>__________________________________________________

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Since chronic fatigue is a virus, why not take anti-viral herbs instead? I

take them whenever I feel a bit crappy. :)

Kenda

> Good Evening All!

>

> How is everyone tonight. I see the tension is lessoning. Is it safe to

> come back? I don't do well with confrontations. I have a couple questions.

>

> First, my doctor wants to put me on Ritilan for my chronic fatigue. Has

> anyone heard of this? He knows how much I hate taking prescription meds, but

> he is not impressed with the results of my diet changes. So he prescribed the

> smallest dosage then told me to cut it in half. He doesn't want me taking a

> lot, he just thinks it will give the " getty up " I need to get my day started.

> I know they use Ritilan to treat narcolepsy, I didn't know they use it to

> treat chronic fatigue. What do you ladies think?

>

> Also, all day I kept getting a piercing pain in my left breast. It feels

> like someone took a long pin and stuck my through the skin and into the ribs.

> It comes and goes, but it really hurts. I am a little over four months post

> explant. Is this common to still have these shooting pains?

>

> Have a good night,

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

I recommend Magnesium Glycinate, the most absorbable form of

magnesium. Also be sure you take twice as much calcium as you take magnesium.

I would look into healthy alternatives for energy and for restful

sleep. A Naturopath can help with that.

Lynda

At 08:38 PM 6/14/2006, you wrote:

>Shari,

>

>The only use for Ritalin I know of is for Attention Deficiet

>Disorder . . . It's supposed to be a stiumlent . . but when given to

>kids who are overstimulated, it (supposedly) calms them down. . .

>

>I'm not sure what your doctor had in mind.

>

>Are you getting sufficient deep sleep every night?

>

>Taking Magnesium at night (MagOX - available at Walgreens' is

>recommended by a Magnesium expert) . . can help relax muscles so you

>can sleep sounder.

>

>Hugs,

>

>Rogene

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

. . .have you tried putting a heating pad on your chest when you start aching? . . . I think I responded about Ritalin to Shari . . . sorry! Hugs, Rogene

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

, if you mean Ritalin, then I definitely wouldn't take them. My Son had them for ADHD and the side effects can be dreadful. Insomnia is one, which is probably why he wants you to have them.

.

-- a couple questions

Good Evening All!

How is everyone tonight. I see the tension is lessoning. Is it safe to come back? I don't do well with confrontations. I have a couple questions.

First, my doctor wants to put me on Ritilan for my chronic fatigue. Has anyone heard of this? He knows how much I hate taking prescription meds, but he is not impressed with the results of my diet changes. So he prescribed the smallest dosage then told me to cut it in half. He doesn't want me taking a lot, he just thinks it will give the "getty up" I need to get my day started. I know they use Ritilan to treat narcolepsy, I didn't know they use it to treat chronic fatigue. What do you ladies think?

Also, all day I kept getting a piercing pain in my left breast. It feels like someone took a long pin and stuck my through the skin and into the ribs. It comes and goes, but it really hurts. I am a little over four months post explant. Is this common to still have these shooting pains?

Have a good night,

__________________________________________________

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

,

Yes, the tension seems to be easing up, and now we can get back to

what we're here for!

Not sure about the Ritalin, but I think it's addictive, so you might

want to do some reading about it. That's what they give to kids

with Attention Deficit Disorder, isn't it? Cherie saw alot of

improvement by working with Dr. Leu, I know it's more out of your

pocket but she was in alot of pain and after a number of months she

is feeling alot better. The shooting pains could be nerve

regeneration.

Sis

>

> Good Evening All!

>

> How is everyone tonight. I see the tension is lessoning. Is it

safe to come back? I don't do well with confrontations. I have a

couple questions.

>

> First, my doctor wants to put me on Ritilan for my chronic

fatigue. Has anyone heard of this? He knows how much I hate taking

prescription meds, but he is not impressed with the results of my

diet changes. So he prescribed the smallest dosage then told me to

cut it in half. He doesn't want me taking a lot, he just thinks it

will give the " getty up " I need to get my day started. I know they

use Ritilan to treat narcolepsy, I didn't know they use it to treat

chronic fatigue. What do you ladies think?

>

> Also, all day I kept getting a piercing pain in my left breast.

It feels like someone took a long pin and stuck my through the skin

and into the ribs. It comes and goes, but it really hurts. I am a

little over four months post explant. Is this common to still have

these shooting pains?

>

> Have a good night,

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Oh Donna, That sounds so much worse than I ever suspected. I can't help but feel that this can't be typical of all doctors/surgical centers . . . but definitely at some centers where standards have fallen to all time lows! . . . These doctors are the ones who drive the insurnace rates so high that good doctors suffer - and the patients pay! I wish this woman could find a way to report these situations without losing her job. Rogene

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

,

Yes, although I still poop out easily the Corvelan-M is working. I think I would be much worse if it wasn't for taking that for energy.

Penni

Re: a couple questions

,

I am on Corvelan-M for fatigue, muscle stiffness and energy. It seems to be working great. You just put a scoopful in a glass of juice or something. Drink and there you have energy. I was like feeling like a nap several times a day. I am getting better so it must work. I been on it for 3 weeks. Ritalin is for people who are hyper and ADD children take it? My nephew was on this. I would try the herbal first wouldn't hurt. I got mine from Dr. Kolb's office. I think Penni is on it too? Penni is it working for you yet? Good Luck and Healthy Healing .

Sincerely,

Donna

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Rogene, He explained that Ritalin treats the part of the brain that regulates dopamine. In ADD kids they need to calm down, and narcolepsy patients need to stay awake. So Ritalin works for both. He is thinking the toxins from the implants have disrupted my dopamine regulation. He said, that along with my detoxing and diet changes I can take Ritalin. The detoxing and diet changes will in the long run fix the imbalance. The Ritalin will temporarily give me the boost for now. Like I said, he prescibed the smallest dose, then told me to cut it in half. Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote: Shari, The only use for Ritalin I know of is for Attention Deficiet Disorder . . . It's supposed to be a stiumlent . . but when given to kids who are overstimulated, it (supposedly) calms them down. . . I'm not sure what your doctor had in mind. Are you getting sufficient deep sleep every night? Taking Magnesium at night (MagOX - available at Walgreens' is recommended by a Magnesium expert) . . can help relax muscles so you can sleep sounder. Hugs, Rogene __________________________________________________

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

I am sleeping fine. I have never had a problem with sleeping at night. I just have the extreme fatigue during the day. It is not as bad as it was before explant, but it does keep me from effective daily living.Lynda <coss@...> wrote: I recommend Magnesium Glycinate, the most absorbable form of magnesium. Also be sure you take twice as much calcium as you take magnesium.I would look into healthy alternatives for energy and for restful sleep. A Naturopath can help with that.LyndaAt 08:38 PM 6/14/2006, you

wrote:>Shari,>>The only use for Ritalin I know of is for Attention Deficiet >Disorder . . . It's supposed to be a stiumlent . . but when given to >kids who are overstimulated, it (supposedly) calms them down. . .>>I'm not sure what your doctor had in mind.>>Are you getting sufficient deep sleep every night?>>Taking Magnesium at night (MagOX - available at Walgreens' is >recommended by a Magnesium expert) . . can help relax muscles so you >can sleep sounder.>>Hugs,>>Rogene>> __________________________________________________

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

. . . Have you tried doing some light exercise . . . say walking . . . increasing a little each day? . . . Some women have found this helps relieve fatigue. Rogene

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

, It certainly won't hurt to try . . . When my brain was so scrambled, I took Ritalin for a while. . . I think it did help me focus. I don't think it's a "bad" drug at low doses. The potential for abuse among children is scary though! Rogene

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

,

Please don't let him give you Ritalin! I think I heard something

about some new affects of this drug.

The theory is that for ADD kids, it slows them down. In fact one of

the diagnostic criteria is that if a person takes Ritalin and it

slows them down, then they are ADD. If it revs them up...then they

are not ADD.

Ritalin is a stiumulant and it is addictive for those that are not

ADD.

>

> Good Evening All!

>

> How is everyone tonight. I see the tension is lessoning. Is it

safe to come back? I don't do well with confrontations. I have a

couple questions.

>

> First, my doctor wants to put me on Ritilan for my chronic

fatigue. Has anyone heard of this? He knows how much I hate taking

prescription meds, but he is not impressed with the results of my

diet changes. So he prescribed the smallest dosage then told me to

cut it in half. He doesn't want me taking a lot, he just thinks it

will give the " getty up " I need to get my day started. I know they

use Ritilan to treat narcolepsy, I didn't know they use it to treat

chronic fatigue. What do you ladies think?

>

> Also, all day I kept getting a piercing pain in my left breast.

It feels like someone took a long pin and stuck my through the skin

and into the ribs. It comes and goes, but it really hurts. I am a

little over four months post explant. Is this common to still have

these shooting pains?

>

> Have a good night,

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

. . . Essentially Ritalin is speed . . . A small amount for a short time may not hurt - but long term, you'll need to address the problem. I took low dose of Ritalin for a while . .. I really couldn't tell a major difference. I do think I was concentrating a bit better . . . but maybe that's because I had recently had my implants out and was getting better anyway. I didn't experience anything that I would consider an addiction to it! . . . I did get irritated with the doctor (psychologist who ran around changing the light bulbs in his office during my appointment) . .. I had to keep seeing him to keep the prescription. . . When I caught him billing my insurance for appointments I didn't have, I quit going - and lost my prescription. . . Didn't matter by that time. Hugs and prayers, Rogene

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

-

Hi

Yes, it is safe to come back! The tension is gone and it is once

again a calm and safe environment here. I copied the following

article from Dr. Cheney about stimulants including ritalin. He is

very against them. Dr. Cheney does extensive work with cfs. I

would suggest having your neurotransmitters tested to see how they

might be out of balance and working from there. I found a place

that I was considering going to to help me get mine in balance but I

don't actually think I need it anymore. If you want, I can give you

the website. Also, the pain in your breast is very common and I

still get them after four years. I mainly get them if I am killing

off pathogens through detoxing. I don't think it is anything to

worry about. I really think that those of us who can do without

drugs do better in the long run. I know it can seem like you will

never get better, but you will. It is just going to take some time

to hit on the right protocols that willhelp you and for your body to

get straightened back out. It will happen! Here is the article:

Cheney, M.D., on SSRIs and Stimulants for Chronic Fatigue

Syndrome: Frying the Brain?

ImmuneSupport.com

06-05-2002

By Carol Sieverling

Editor's Note: This information is based on tapes of Carol

Sieverling's October 2000 patient visit with Dr. Cheney. He gave

permission to share this information, but has not reviewed or edited

it.

Dr. Cheney recently came across some information regarding the

dangers of Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs), such as

Prozac, Zoloft and Paxil, and stimulants like Ritalin and Provigil.

During office visits, Dr. Cheney shows patients the book Prozac

Backlash: Overcoming the Dangers of Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil and Other

Antidepressants by ph Glenmullen, M.D., a psychiatrist at

Harvard Medical School. It includes endorsements from other Ivy

League psychiatrists. Cheney calls the implications of this

book " staggering. "

When talking with patients, Cheney usually opens the book to a

picture of a monkey's brain before and after it received a very

potent SSRI. The " before " photo shows a dark background filled with

fine white lines and white blobs, healthy neurons. The " after " photo

is very dark, only a few white lines and blobs remain. Most of the

brain cells had been " fried. "

SSRIs and stimulants work by increasing the firing of neurons. While

this often has great benefits in the short term, doctors are now

realizing that long term use " fries " brain cells. The body views any

neuron that fires excessively over time as damaged, and destroys it.

SSRIs and stimulants, taken over a period of 10 years or so, can

lead to a loss of brain cells, causing neurodegenerative disorders.

Many doctors have recently seen a sudden increase in patients with

neurological symptoms, and most have been on Prozac, or a similar

drug, for about 10 years. Cheney is seeing this in his own practice.

During office visits, Cheney also shows patients a copy of the May

22, 2000 issue of Newsweek with J. Fox on the cover. It has

an excellent article on Parkinson's Disease, a condition that

involves a loss of neurons in the area associated with motor

control. Parkinson's drugs stimulate the remaining neurons

to " perform heroically, " firing excessively. However, the article

notes that while benefits are seen initially, neurological symptoms

get much worse at the three to five-year point. Patients experience

wild involuntary movements, etc. These drugs, though helpful in the

short term, actually speed up the degenerative process.

What mechanisms are at work causing neurons to be " fried? " SSRIs are

often prescribed for depression, which involves a lack of serotonin.

Serotonin is a neurotransmitter, a chemical messenger. One neuron

releases a burst of it into the intersynaptic cleft, (the gap

between neurons). The serotonin is then taken up by special

receptors in the adjacent neuron. Thus a message is sent from one

neuron to another, with serotonin carrying the message across the

gap. Excess serotonin is cleared away before a new message is sent.

A " reuptake channel " in one neuron vacuums up the left over

serotonin.

SSRIs are designed to address a lack of serotonin by blocking the

reuptake channel from vacuuming up excess serotonin. While this

allows more serotonin to connect with the receptors, often too much

is left floating in the intersynaptic cleft. The only way the body

can get rid of this excess serotonin is to oxidize it.

Unfortunately, this turns it into a toxic compound that, over time,

kills both the sending and receiving neurons.

Cheney stated, " What starts out as an attempt to increase serotonin

and reduce symptoms ends up with the destruction of the serotonergic

system itself. It takes about a decade, more in some, less in

others.

Now when the serotonergic nerves are dead, you start getting these

motor neuron problems, which is what we're seeing. " Cheney

commented, " You know what a lot of doctors (who do not understand

CFIDS) are doing? They're saying 'Well, let's just give them an

antidepressant'. And they are frying their (patients') brains and

they don't even know it. In fact, a CFIDS patient on one of these

drugs fries their brain even faster than a non-CFIDS person. " (See

the article on Klonopin for an explanation.)

Cheney went on to say, " The other way some people with CFIDS are

going is stimulating the brain, using drugs like Ritalin or

Provigil. They do the same thing - they fry the brain. They cause

neurons to fire at lower stimulus by lowering the firing threshold.

All stimulants are dangerous, especially over the long haul. I'm not

saying that you might not find them useful in the short-term. But

over the long term, the physiology demands that neurons that fire

excessively be killed. "

Cheney strongly urges anyone taking antidepressants or stimulants to

read Glenmullen's book, which lists safe alternatives to SSRIs.

Hugs, Kathy

Related Articles:

-- In , Lamse

<wannabe_proverbs31@...> wrote:

>

> Good Evening All!

>

> How is everyone tonight. I see the tension is lessoning. Is it

safe to come back? I don't do well with confrontations. I have a

couple questions.

>

> First, my doctor wants to put me on Ritilan for my chronic

fatigue. Has anyone heard of this? He knows how much I hate taking

prescription meds, but he is not impressed with the results of my

diet changes. So he prescribed the smallest dosage then told me to

cut it in half. He doesn't want me taking a lot, he just thinks it

will give the " getty up " I need to get my day started. I know they

use Ritilan to treat narcolepsy, I didn't know they use it to treat

chronic fatigue. What do you ladies think?

>

> Also, all day I kept getting a piercing pain in my left breast.

It feels like someone took a long pin and stuck my through the skin

and into the ribs. It comes and goes, but it really hurts. I am a

little over four months post explant. Is this common to still have

these shooting pains?

>

> Have a good night,

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...