Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 So what you are saying, in moderation, it could be the little boost I might need to get going?Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote: . . . Essentially Ritalin is speed . . . A small amount for a short time may not hurt - but long term, you'll need to address the problem. I took low dose of Ritalin for a while . .. I really couldn't tell a major difference. I do think I was concentrating a bit better . . . but maybe that's because I had recently had my implants out and was getting better anyway. I didn't experience anything that I would consider an addiction to it! . . . I did get irritated with the doctor (psychologist who ran around changing the light bulbs in his office during my appointment) . .. I had to keep seeing him to keep the prescription. . . When I caught him billing my insurance for appointments I didn't have, I quit going - and lost my prescription. . . Didn't matter by that time. Hugs and prayers, Rogene __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Thanks Kathy, WOW there is alot to think about here, isn't there? mikat828 <mikat828@...> wrote: -Hi Yes, it is safe to come back! The tension is gone and it is once again a calm and safe environment here. I copied the following article from Dr. Cheney about stimulants including ritalin. He is very against them. Dr. Cheney does extensive work with cfs. I would suggest having your neurotransmitters tested to see how they might be out of balance and working from there. I found a place that I was considering going to to help me get mine in balance but I don't actually think I need it anymore. If you want, I can give you the website. Also, the pain in your breast is very common and I still get them after four years. I mainly get them if I am killing off pathogens through detoxing. I don't think it is anything to worry about. I really think that those of us who can do without drugs do better in the long run. I know it can seem like you will never get better, but you will. It is just going to take some time to hit on the right protocols that willhelp you and for your body to get straightened back out. It will happen! Here is the article: Cheney, M.D., on SSRIs and Stimulants for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: Frying the Brain?ImmuneSupport.com06-05-2002 By Carol Sieverling Editor's Note: This information is based on tapes of Carol Sieverling's October 2000 patient visit with Dr. Cheney. He gave permission to share this information, but has not reviewed or edited it. Dr. Cheney recently came across some information regarding the dangers of Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs), such as Prozac, Zoloft and Paxil, and stimulants like Ritalin and Provigil. During office visits, Dr. Cheney shows patients the book Prozac Backlash: Overcoming the Dangers of Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil and Other Antidepressants by ph Glenmullen, M.D., a psychiatrist at Harvard Medical School. It includes endorsements from other Ivy League psychiatrists. Cheney calls the implications of this book "staggering." When talking with patients, Cheney usually opens the book to a picture of a monkey's brain before and after it received a very potent SSRI. The "before" photo shows a dark background filled with fine white lines and white blobs, healthy neurons. The "after" photo is very dark, only a few white lines and blobs remain. Most of the brain cells had been "fried." SSRIs and stimulants work by increasing the firing of neurons. While this often has great benefits in the short term, doctors are now realizing that long term use "fries" brain cells. The body views any neuron that fires excessively over time as damaged, and destroys it. SSRIs and stimulants, taken over a period of 10 years or so, can lead to a loss of brain cells, causing neurodegenerative disorders. Many doctors have recently seen a sudden increase in patients with neurological symptoms, and most have been on Prozac, or a similar drug, for about 10 years. Cheney is seeing this in his own practice. During office visits, Cheney also shows patients a copy of the May 22, 2000 issue of Newsweek with J. Fox on the cover. It has an excellent article on Parkinson's Disease, a condition that involves a loss of neurons in the area associated with motor control. Parkinson's drugs stimulate the remaining neurons to "perform heroically," firing excessively. However, the article notes that while benefits are seen initially, neurological symptoms get much worse at the three to five-year point. Patients experience wild involuntary movements, etc. These drugs, though helpful in the short term, actually speed up the degenerative process. What mechanisms are at work causing neurons to be "fried?" SSRIs are often prescribed for depression, which involves a lack of serotonin. Serotonin is a neurotransmitter, a chemical messenger. One neuron releases a burst of it into the intersynaptic cleft, (the gap between neurons). The serotonin is then taken up by special receptors in the adjacent neuron. Thus a message is sent from one neuron to another, with serotonin carrying the message across the gap. Excess serotonin is cleared away before a new message is sent. A "reuptake channel" in one neuron vacuums up the left over serotonin. SSRIs are designed to address a lack of serotonin by blocking the reuptake channel from vacuuming up excess serotonin. While this allows more serotonin to connect with the receptors, often too much is left floating in the intersynaptic cleft. The only way the body can get rid of this excess serotonin is to oxidize it. Unfortunately, this turns it into a toxic compound that, over time, kills both the sending and receiving neurons. Cheney stated, "What starts out as an attempt to increase serotonin and reduce symptoms ends up with the destruction of the serotonergic system itself. It takes about a decade, more in some, less in others. Now when the serotonergic nerves are dead, you start getting these motor neuron problems, which is what we're seeing." Cheney commented, "You know what a lot of doctors (who do not understand CFIDS) are doing? They're saying 'Well, let's just give them an antidepressant'. And they are frying their (patients') brains and they don't even know it. In fact, a CFIDS patient on one of these drugs fries their brain even faster than a non-CFIDS person." (See the article on Klonopin for an explanation.) Cheney went on to say, "The other way some people with CFIDS are going is stimulating the brain, using drugs like Ritalin or Provigil. They do the same thing - they fry the brain. They cause neurons to fire at lower stimulus by lowering the firing threshold. All stimulants are dangerous, especially over the long haul. I'm not saying that you might not find them useful in the short-term. But over the long term, the physiology demands that neurons that fire excessively be killed." Cheney strongly urges anyone taking antidepressants or stimulants to read Glenmullen's book, which lists safe alternatives to SSRIs. Hugs, KathyRelated Articles: -- In , Lamse <wannabe_proverbs31@...> wrote:>> Good Evening All!> > How is everyone tonight. I see the tension is lessoning. Is it safe to come back? I don't do well with confrontations. I have a couple questions.> > First, my doctor wants to put me on Ritilan for my chronic fatigue. Has anyone heard of this? He knows how much I hate taking prescription meds, but he is not impressed with the results of my diet changes. So he prescribed the smallest dosage then told me to cut it in half. He doesn't want me taking a lot, he just thinks it will give the "getty up" I need to get my day started. I know they use Ritilan to treat narcolepsy, I didn't know they use it to treat chronic fatigue. What do you ladies think?> > Also, all day I kept getting a piercing pain in my left breast. It feels like someone took a long pin and stuck my through the skin and into the ribs. It comes and goes, but it really hurts. I am a little over four months post explant. Is this common to still have these shooting pains?> > Have a good night,> > > > __________________________________________________> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Ritalin can be addictive. Cocaine addicts try to get Ritalin because it gives them the same high. Kenda > , > Please don't let him give you Ritalin! I think I heard something > about some new affects of this drug. > The theory is that for ADD kids, it slows them down. In fact one of > the diagnostic criteria is that if a person takes Ritalin and it > slows them down, then they are ADD. If it revs them up...then they > are not ADD. > Ritalin is a stiumulant and it is addictive for those that are not > ADD. > > > > >> >> Good Evening All! >> >> How is everyone tonight. I see the tension is lessoning. Is it > safe to come back? I don't do well with confrontations. I have a > couple questions. >> >> First, my doctor wants to put me on Ritilan for my chronic > fatigue. Has anyone heard of this? He knows how much I hate taking > prescription meds, but he is not impressed with the results of my > diet changes. So he prescribed the smallest dosage then told me to > cut it in half. He doesn't want me taking a lot, he just thinks it > will give the " getty up " I need to get my day started. I know they > use Ritilan to treat narcolepsy, I didn't know they use it to treat > chronic fatigue. What do you ladies think? >> >> Also, all day I kept getting a piercing pain in my left breast. > It feels like someone took a long pin and stuck my through the skin > and into the ribs. It comes and goes, but it really hurts. I am a > little over four months post explant. Is this common to still have > these shooting pains? >> >> Have a good night, >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 , Personally, I'd be comfortable with a low dose for a limited period of time . . . but, in the meantime, I'd be looking for anything that would fix the problem, rather than cover it up . . . However, after looking at Dr. Cheney's article, I'd probably have to rethink the issue completely. . . You'll have to judge for yourself if you want to, and how you feel if you do. Many years ago, I took a diet pill that put me into whirlwind! . .. I took one pill, cleaned house from top to bottom, talked non-stop, couldn't sleep, mind racing - couldn't slow down for a couple days. . . There's no way I'd want to take anything like that again! Love, Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 ---Something that worked really well for me, but starting a week after surgery, I put Vitamin E oil (out of the capsules) on my scar tissue, and WOW...one of the surgeons I had for a reimplantation of my ureters, back when I was 30, asked me 6 weeks post-op where my scar was! It was there - a big smile just above the pubic bone - but very faint. I'm afraid after years, this may not work, but for anyone waiting for surgery, you can try it. You have to wait for the incision to heal shut first, though. Love & healing, Sunny In , halvey70@... wrote: > > Hi there > > I am not sure about the ritilan thing - I have never heard of anyone being > prescribed that for CFS before. as far as the breasts pains go, I think this > is normal as nerves have been cut and damaged, etc. I still have some pains > and issues now and then and I am 3 years post explant. Of course I also had > to have a total of 4 surgeries to fix complications, etc., including early > capsular contracture so I may have more damage there than a lot of people do as > I have 4 different sets of scars. With all operations and incisions come > scar tissue... this can tighten and send out the " stabbing " pains you are > describing. I had a rough explant (lots of scar tissue removed after 7 years-they > were stuck to my ribs and had to be scrapped off) and I remember a lot of the > pains for several months afterwards. I think it is just your body's way of > healing the nerve ending and tissues. If you think about it, it is a pretty > invasive surgery to begin with... I don't know why I never thought of this > before implanting - I was young and blind i guess. They put mine under the > muscle which meant they had to cut my chest muscles and pull them from my ribs > to insert the darned things to begin with thru my armpits.... then the early > CC set in so they had to come out and back in again, through the nipple, then > I had a rupture a year later which ad to be replaced as well then 3 years > after that is when I realized the cause of all my illnesses and had them removed > - under breast crease incision that time. with every cut comes more scar > tissue upon healing.... I do not think I will ever be quite normal there after > all I have had done. You also may want to check into another issue I was > diagnosed with after explant which resulted in the types of pains you are > describing.... it was called costochondritis which is an inflammation of the rib > cartilidge whixh my PS said was farily common among women who have had multiple > breast surgeries... mine was really bad at first and after they put me on > some anti inflam. medsand it got better... unfortunately they put me on Vioxx > then when it was OK and it did work for me back then. he said that was very > delicate tissue there and prone to get irritated and inflammed/infected > easily. > > I hope this helps... sorry for the typos above.... > > shari > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 ---We've had success with one of my grandson's with a product called MegaFocus -- essentially Omega 3 plus other oils. It works great! Love, Sunny In , Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote: > > Shari, > > The only use for Ritalin I know of is for Attention Deficiet Disorder . . . It's supposed to be a stiumlent . . but when given to kids who are overstimulated, it (supposedly) calms them down. . . > > I'm not sure what your doctor had in mind. > > Are you getting sufficient deep sleep every night? > > Taking Magnesium at night (MagOX - available at Walgreens' is recommended by a Magnesium expert) . . can help relax muscles so you can sleep sounder. > > Hugs, > > Rogene > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 sunny I difd the same thing too! Took a pin and put hole in the capsule and squeezed the gel out and applied it on my scars for all four breast surgeries... it worked very well and on the nipple incisions you are very hard pressed to find a scar at all which is really good considering I had two different operations thru that site... Vit E worked wonders for me and was much cheaper than the new scar stuff that is out for sure! shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 --Shari, glad to hear it helped so much. Same here...it's pretty neat how the body heals itself if given the right nutrients! Love & Healing, Sunny - In , halvey70@... wrote: > > sunny > > I difd the same thing too! Took a pin and put hole in the capsule and > squeezed the gel out and applied it on my scars for all four breast surgeries... > it worked very well and on the nipple incisions you are very hard pressed to > find a scar at all which is really good considering I had two different > operations thru that site... Vit E worked wonders for me and was much cheaper > than the new scar stuff that is out for sure! > > shari > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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