Re: Memory and MCS: Memory of smell

November 29, 2006

Thank you for posting this. I think that its useful to all of us, as I think

that the emotional trauma

caused by our experiences transcends just simply MCS, its pervasive.

I think that the chemical and biological effects of mold exposure need to be

considered

in context with the emotional contingent of fears and terror. Fear of losing

one's job,

home, relationship, etc. are powerful stressors.

Then are going to have these additional physiological effects that are

additive, and similar to the effects of the toxins by themselves,

but distinct in that they are triggered by fear and depression, and which

clearly also trigger additional fears and depressions themselves.

Sort of a cascade of physical > emotional > physical > emotional effects...

Thats the way I think it works..

On 11/29/06, barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

>

> This is interesting information in the transcripts on CNN's series

> on Memory that might be interesting to people with MCS. It mentions

> a part of the brain that memorizes smell and thought it might be

> interesting to MCS people:

>

> link to article:

> <http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0503/27/se.01.html>

>

> Put word 'smell' into Edit/Find or read excerpt below but it is out

> of context without article:

>

> " Not all memories are created equal.

>

> The amygdala be couple inches in here.

>

> University of California-Irvine researcher Larry Cahill studies how

> emotion affects memories. His test subjects view a slide show of

> emotionally charged pictures and pictures that are more innocuous.

> They then immersed their hands in ice water to trigger stress

> hormones.

>

> LARRY CAHILL, PHD, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-IRVINE: When an

> emotional event happens, and the stress hormones are flowing, those

> stress hormones serve the initial fight or flight reaction that

> everybody knows about. Learn about that in high school.

>

> But these same stress hormones we think have a second longer term

> reaction.

>

> GUPTA: That second reaction? Stress hormones feeding back to the

> brain through the amygdala, located a couple of inches in from your

> ear on either side of your brain.

>

> It helps you remember more clearly and longer. Have you ever

> wondered why a smell can trigger such a strong memory? Once again,

> the amygdala may hold the answer.

>

> CAHILL: The amygdala is this key structure in the whole emotion and

> memory world. And guess which sense goes straight into the amygdala?

> Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Go from the air straight in.

> It's your nose.

>

> There's basically two synapses between an odor hitting your nose and

> activating your amygdala.

>

> GUPTA: Our memories of smell are emotionally powerful, but not

> always specific. Since September 11th, researchers say many New

> Yorkers report being saddened by the smell of smoke.

>

> DANIEL SCHACTER, PHD, HARVARD UNIVERSITY: Our memory is not a tape

> recorder. And what it's very good at is retaining the general sense

> of our experiences, the meaning, the gist, if you will of what

> happened to us. "

>

> <http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0503/27/se.01.html>

>

November 29, 2006

-a shrinks theory is that depression = hopelessness.

lots of people have periods of felling hopeless and they either get

over it and go on or they kill thierselfs. i personally fell that

going to a shrink is like going to a allergest. instead of helping

you to learn and advoid whats ailing you they give you drugs to cover

up the problem.drugs that could end up causeing more problems than

what you had to began with. has anyone ever had a shrink cure thier

depression with out medication? i dought it. they listen to you and

make a diagnoses. how does makeing a diagnoses help anyone. about 20

some years go i went through one of the hardest ordeals you can go

through, i went through the emotional rollercoaster, anger hurt

fear,discust to the point it made me fill ill to my stomach, couldn't

eat,sleep, ect. it was not a fun time,but it didn't cause me to loose

my marbles, i got through it without any medications and went on to

do just fine. yes, there was times when going through this that i

didn't know if i could stand it much longer but i had to be there for

my girls, to protect them. i can and soeties do still have anger over

but ostly have put it in the past and looked at the brite

side,meaning some valuable lessions were learned. physilogical

depression is a long lasting depression regulated by whats going on

in your body,physically. i thought i had lost my mind from exposure

in that second house and the effects it had on my system, but after

getting out, that slowly improved along with everything else that

slowly improved and my moods now definitly go along with my

exposures. some exposure are very mild and accumulative(the longer

i'm in that area, the more it affects me)

others are immedite and slam me hard. different exposures can cause

different moods like aggatation,anixity(heart palpatations)i even

think the anixity part of this illness is actually the effects of

regulation on the cns. not all exposures cause a certain mood to show

up. and crying doesn't always mean depression but sometimes can

happen with anger,relief,happiness,sarrow,ect. yes, of corse, i can

get soe depression when i' felling bad. i can deal with anything much

better when i felling better than when i' felling worse.i personally

believe that to many people run to doctors for every little thing and

onces they get you on the drugs, those than cause more doctor visits

and more drugs. the drug industry has not only brainwashed us to

believe that quick fix drugs, many that are toxic to our system are

the cure all when they cure nothing at all.only cover up the problem.

if we all live long enough i see us being forced to go back to nature

and natural medicanes.

i believe that we had the knowledge and everything we needed right

here on earth and we (man) by messing around with nature have plotted

our own distruction. -- In , LiveSimply

<quackadillian@...> wrote:

>

> Thank you for posting this. I think that its useful to all of us,

as I think

> that the emotional trauma

> caused by our experiences transcends just simply MCS, its pervasive.

>

> I think that the chemical and biological effects of mold exposure

need to be

> considered

> in context with the emotional contingent of fears and terror. Fear

of losing

> one's job,

> home, relationship, etc. are powerful stressors.

>

> Then are going to have these additional physiological effects that

are

> additive, and similar to the effects of the toxins by themselves,

> but distinct in that they are triggered by fear and depression, and

which

> clearly also trigger additional fears and depressions themselves.

>

> Sort of a cascade of physical > emotional > physical > emotional

effects...

>

> Thats the way I think it works..

>

> On 11/29/06, barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

> >

> > This is interesting information in the transcripts on CNN's

series

> > on Memory that might be interesting to people with MCS. It

mentions

> > a part of the brain that memorizes smell and thought it might be

> > interesting to MCS people:

> >

> > link to article:

> > <http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0503/27/se.01.html>

> >

> > Put word 'smell' into Edit/Find or read excerpt below but it is

out

> > of context without article:

> >

> > " Not all memories are created equal.

> >

> > The amygdala be couple inches in here.

> >

> > University of California-Irvine researcher Larry Cahill studies

how

> > emotion affects memories. His test subjects view a slide show of

> > emotionally charged pictures and pictures that are more innocuous.

> > They then immersed their hands in ice water to trigger stress

> > hormones.

> >

> > LARRY CAHILL, PHD, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-IRVINE: When an

> > emotional event happens, and the stress hormones are flowing,

those

> > stress hormones serve the initial fight or flight reaction that

> > everybody knows about. Learn about that in high school.

> >

> > But these same stress hormones we think have a second longer term

> > reaction.

> >

> > GUPTA: That second reaction? Stress hormones feeding back to the

> > brain through the amygdala, located a couple of inches in from

your

> > ear on either side of your brain.

> >

> > It helps you remember more clearly and longer. Have you ever

> > wondered why a smell can trigger such a strong memory? Once again,

> > the amygdala may hold the answer.

> >

> > CAHILL: The amygdala is this key structure in the whole emotion

and

> > memory world. And guess which sense goes straight into the

amygdala?

> > Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Go from the air straight in.

> > It's your nose.

> >

> > There's basically two synapses between an odor hitting your nose

and

> > activating your amygdala.

> >

> > GUPTA: Our memories of smell are emotionally powerful, but not

> > always specific. Since September 11th, researchers say many New

> > Yorkers report being saddened by the smell of smoke.

> >

> > DANIEL SCHACTER, PHD, HARVARD UNIVERSITY: Our memory is not a tape

> > recorder. And what it's very good at is retaining the general

sense

> > of our experiences, the meaning, the gist, if you will of what

> > happened to us. "

> >

> > <http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0503/27/se.01.html>

> >

>

November 29, 2006

barb, i'm not exactually sure what part of this you think plays a

part in mcs. mcs is a physical hypersensative reaction caused by the

toxin in that smell and damage to sensory receptors.it has nothing to

do with memories linked to that smell. inhaleing the toxin can affect

your brain as well as the rest of your body.

>

> This is interesting information in the transcripts on CNN's series

> on Memory that might be interesting to people with MCS. It

mentions

> a part of the brain that memorizes smell and thought it might be

> interesting to MCS people:

>

> link to article:

> <http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0503/27/se.01.html>

>

> Put word 'smell' into Edit/Find or read excerpt below but it is out

> of context without article:

>

> " Not all memories are created equal.

>

> The amygdala be couple inches in here.

>

> University of California-Irvine researcher Larry Cahill studies how

> emotion affects memories. His test subjects view a slide show of

> emotionally charged pictures and pictures that are more innocuous.

> They then immersed their hands in ice water to trigger stress

> hormones.

>

> LARRY CAHILL, PHD, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-IRVINE: When an

> emotional event happens, and the stress hormones are flowing, those

> stress hormones serve the initial fight or flight reaction that

> everybody knows about. Learn about that in high school.

>

> But these same stress hormones we think have a second longer term

> reaction.

>

> GUPTA: That second reaction? Stress hormones feeding back to the

> brain through the amygdala, located a couple of inches in from your

> ear on either side of your brain.

>

> It helps you remember more clearly and longer. Have you ever

> wondered why a smell can trigger such a strong memory? Once again,

> the amygdala may hold the answer.

>

> CAHILL: The amygdala is this key structure in the whole emotion and

> memory world. And guess which sense goes straight into the

amygdala?

> Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Go from the air straight in.

> It's your nose.

>

> There's basically two synapses between an odor hitting your nose

and

> activating your amygdala.

>

> GUPTA: Our memories of smell are emotionally powerful, but not

> always specific. Since September 11th, researchers say many New

> Yorkers report being saddened by the smell of smoke.

>

> DANIEL SCHACTER, PHD, HARVARD UNIVERSITY: Our memory is not a tape

> recorder. And what it's very good at is retaining the general sense

> of our experiences, the meaning, the gist, if you will of what

> happened to us. "

>

> <http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0503/27/se.01.html>

>

November 30, 2006

Hi Jeanine, I know very little about mcs. Thanks for the

explanation. I just thought it was interesting about which brain area

receives signals from smell and that they are most direct root to

influence brain. That was all. May be some connection to how big an

effect smell can have on brain, that connection is so direct. It's so

hard for me, not having experienced problem, to understand how a smell

can have such a HUGE effect on someone, so it made an impression on

me, that there was such a strong connection to brain from sensory

organs in nose that pick up smell.

>

> barb, i'm not exactually sure what part of this you think plays a

> part in mcs. mcs is a physical hypersensative reaction caused by the

>

November 30, 2006

-the amygilda sounds familur, it very will may suffer some damage

from breathing molds/mycotoxins. but,haveing read a article where it

was thought that some of mcs might be a reaction of a memory to a

smell is just bs. thats trying to say its all in our heads witch is

not true. even if mcs is not reconized as a illness yet, it will

be,just like chronic fatique and fibroyalgia now is. according to the

infectious disease doctor i just went to, mcs,until it is reconized

as what it is, is considered as a group of hypersensative illnesses

basically because all the illnesses involved have been looked at as

single illnesses all these years and given names as seperate

illnesses. i think kc posted a article quite awhile back that had a

good listing of these hypersensative illnesses. so i look at it like

this. being diagnosed with these will only help conferm the mcs

diagnoses. -- In , " barb1283 "

<barb1283@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Jeanine, I know very little about mcs. Thanks for the

> explanation. I just thought it was interesting about which brain

area

> receives signals from smell and that they are most direct root to

> influence brain. That was all. May be some connection to how big

an

> effect smell can have on brain, that connection is so direct. It's

so

> hard for me, not having experienced problem, to understand how a

smell

> can have such a HUGE effect on someone, so it made an impression on

> me, that there was such a strong connection to brain from sensory

> organs in nose that pick up smell.

>

> >

> > barb, i'm not exactually sure what part of this you think plays a

> > part in mcs. mcs is a physical hypersensative reaction caused by

the

> >

>

November 30, 2006

I would like to add something to this conversation. Many of us here didn't

think we reacted either. For myself I thought my family was fine. My daughter

was still getting sick though. It had been over 4 years since we left our toxic

home. I had heard about MCS. Didn't have a clear understanding of it, and

thought it didn't effect us. Then after her last stay in hospital many here

urged me to make the changes that someone suffering w/MCS needs to make. They

promised me she would feel better. So, I gave it a shot. To my amazement it

was all true, everything they had said. (But, I did it ALL) All of us suffered

from MCS. We could see changes w/in days. It was amazing to me, that this

group knew how to help someone feel better and doctors didn't have a clue. My

point is usually after exposure many still don't feel well. If you are still

thinking you are reacting to things because of mold, maybe you should do alittle

research on MCS. It may not just be mold you are reacting to, it may just be

more intensified because your body is on overload from all the chemicals. If

you lighten your load, then you may find you are more tolerant and don't have

such a severe reaction. One thing I will tell you is that you will feel better.

[] Re: Memory and MCS: Memory of smell

Hi Jeanine, I know very little about mcs. Thanks for the

explanation. I just thought it was interesting about which brain area

receives signals from smell and that they are most direct root to

influence brain. That was all. May be some connection to how big an

effect smell can have on brain, that connection is so direct. It's so

hard for me, not having experienced problem, to understand how a smell

can have such a HUGE effect on someone, so it made an impression on

me, that there was such a strong connection to brain from sensory

organs in nose that pick up smell.

>

> barb, i'm not exactually sure what part of this you think plays a

> part in mcs. mcs is a physical hypersensative reaction caused by the

>

November 30, 2006

I don't why anyone would target just women, this does not make a bit

of sense. Yes, mold exposure most definately needs to be considered

almost above everything else (unless chemcial) because we know how

it has effected our system and the capability of these toxins. As

far trying to throw into the equation " emotional contingent of fears

and terror, fear of losing ones job, home, relation, are powerful

stressors " all of these stressors per se, in my opinion, cause a

condition to become worse than what it should be. But NOT the cause

of the condition. If this was a fact then I and many others in this

country would have the same serious ailments, conditions, syndromes,

etc. Stress, we all know about stress and many of us have probably

been at the same level for many years and the fear of losing your

home, your family, bottomline your life and I don't have any of

these serious conditions and I've been in a stress mode for the past

9 years.

If stress causes our condition of damaged organs, loss of memory

and/or concentration and many others, then every person in

Washington DC and probably across the country should be battling the

same thing we are. Which puts everyone in an immunocompromised

position to open the gateway for many physical and mental ailments.

So bottomline, stressors are not the cause, that is just what we

are " told " to believe, especially from the CDC.

MCS is a physical reaction, not a psychological reaction. How would

you convience anyone that it's a psychological reaction after

exposure when they don't have any voice for 3 or 4 days? How do you

train your body to react this way? As I have been told by a doctor,

we have to untrain our body. And this guy had the nerve to call

himself a doctor. How is it psychological when some chemicals set

you off and others don't and your airways restrict? How is it

psychological when your lungs begin to fill with fluid after a

chemical hit?

As far as more women going to the doctor for this or any other

condition, that is true, basically as the main caregiver in most

families they have to make sure that what they have will only be

(hopefully) a mild case and that they can continue their routines. I

tip my hat to them... Men tend to wait much longer before making

appointments, in general. Or until it is an emergency. But I know

many women who are like this also and push their husbands to see a

doctor before them. So I of course, as you can see I have mixed

feelings about this.

KC

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Thank you for posting this. I think that its useful to all of us,

as I think

> that the emotional trauma

> caused by our experiences transcends just simply MCS, its

pervasive.

>

> I think that the chemical and biological effects of mold exposure

need to be

> considered

> in context with the emotional contingent of fears and terror. Fear

of losing

> one's job,

> home, relationship, etc. are powerful stressors.

>

> Then are going to have these additional physiological effects that

are

> additive, and similar to the effects of the toxins by themselves,

> but distinct in that they are triggered by fear and depression,

and which

> clearly also trigger additional fears and depressions themselves.

>

> Sort of a cascade of physical > emotional > physical > emotional

effects...

>

> Thats the way I think it works..

>

November 30, 2006

Jeanine, if it were connected to memory would not mean it is 'all in

our heads/imagined or fear driven' but it could trigger a 'fight or

flight' reaction in our bodies that is phyiological and not

psychological at all, a real body reaction can be triggered by

autonomic nervous symptoms, body reacts to protecting us with real

physiological reaction, like rapid heart beat (which could cause

fainting in some people), as one example, and is very, very real.

>

> -the amygilda sounds familur, it very will may suffer some damage

> from breathing molds/mycotoxins. but,haveing read a article where it

>

November 30, 2006

Oh yes, I feel better when not around mold. I didn't mean to say I

don't react to mold but it is more subtle and not right away, not

sudden like many people. I feel tired if I am mold environment for

long and then start to feel generally weak but may not be until next

day for example, and it takes awhile to figure out it is a trend since

so many things can make me feel tired. I don't faint is someone has

perfume on for example. While I was in Dallas a woman fainted who was

in same room with me when a visitor, not patient, came in wearing a

scent. I could smell it myself when he walked by and wondered why

they let him in..no scents were allowed, then within minutes woman

fainted. I was amazed her reaction was so strong. They brought her

oxygen, she was crying. I felt so sorry for her. I wonder how she

goes anywhere at all and to think she wasn't even safe at the

clinic..somehow this guy got in. I supposed normally she wears a mask

and wasn't wearing it due to being at the clinic. We weren't allowed

to bring anything in there, no purses even, had lockers for all

personal belongings, etc.

>

> I would like to add something to this conversation. Many of us here

didn't think we reacted either. For myself I thought my family

November 30, 2006

-barb, if a smell triggers a memory that is pychological if that

memory triggers a emotion that is pychological, if that emotion

triggers a physilogical reaction than it does but its not long

lasting and does not cause long lasting pychological or physilogical

effects. this is a normal accurance in normal healthy people. it has

nothing to do with mcs. fainting is caused by a lack of oxygen to the

brain.if you faint because a smell caused a memory and that memory

makes you faint wouldn't that be a pychological problem?

i think many people are stuck with the belief that depression and/or

pstd is a pychological illness,its what weve been told for years. but

there is also a very real physilogical event and what happens with

toxin exposure is a physilogical stress to our whole system that can

cause a physical depression and can cause pstd.it's pretty deep

reading but basically includes a lot of imforation on whats going on

in our system. i didn't post it because i thought it could be

inturpited wrong by some thats why i just said to do a search

on 'physilogical depression,toxin exposure'. whats going on with our

system causes physilogical stressers which have nothing to do with

pychological stress.and of corse physilogical illnesses could

possabily cause pychological problems in some.i was diagnosed with

pstd ,by the time i got out of both moldy homes i had intusive

memories riding like a roller coaster in my head and had no control

over it at all. i could be talking about something one second and

switch to a tottally different subject in the middle of a sentance. i

cried because i thought i had lost my mind and everyone around

thought i had too, including the shrink that diagnosed me with pstd.

well guess what, after getting out of the mold this slowly started

improveing some but i still had a ruff time until i found this

apartment and could truely practice advoidance. now some hits can can

cause some pretty bad reactions on my thought process and they can

cause different emotions to surface. i dont aways even smell whats

affecting me and the range of how i'm affected is pretty wide.

understanding that different toxins cause some same reactions and

some different reactions help me to understand that reactions can

not be writen in stone and its to complacated to even try. did you

read the abstract about the rolling uterus? a defence tactic to try

to say mycotoxin exposure has no effect on the brain. well guess

what, it was laughable because they did testing on mcser's and kept

switching them around to different rooms or buildings. some

complained that smells were bothering them and it will affect the

results of your testing because with mcs smells do affect how you

think. put me in a air control tottally clean area and i will fell

and function and do much better on a test than if i'm in a room with

smells that are affecting me.me as in the body as a whole, not just

my brain. theres nothing pychological about it. in clean air

condictions i handle emotions just as well as i aways did. and

believe me i'm a pretty strong minded person. under the influence of

a toxic smell you might laible me anywhere from emotional to a basket

case.

-- In , " barb1283 " <barb1283@...> wrote:

>

> Jeanine, if it were connected to memory would not mean it is 'all

in

> our heads/imagined or fear driven' but it could trigger a 'fight or

> flight' reaction in our bodies that is phyiological and not

> psychological at all, a real body reaction can be triggered by

> autonomic nervous symptoms, body reacts to protecting us with real

> physiological reaction, like rapid heart beat (which could cause

> fainting in some people), as one example, and is very, very real.

>

> >

> > -the amygilda sounds familur, it very will may suffer some damage

> > from breathing molds/mycotoxins. but,haveing read a article where

it

> >

>

November 30, 2006

- i wonder if woman are getting this illness more because woman are

in the home more and do more of the cleaning witch could lead to more

exposure. i know for a fact that with a moldy home where its heavy in

the carpet just vacumming stirs it up and causes higher amounts to be

inhaled if your the one vacumming you may fell a lot worse after

doing it. i've also read that woman's sinus openings are larger than

mens that could play a part too. as far as the purfume exposures most

mens colones bother me much more than womans but some of those little

old ladies perfumes are a close match, kind of like some cigerettes

dont bother me but some cigars wipe me out. its totally the

consentration, or dose, and whats in them. in the waiting room atthe

clinic the area by the tv which was also closest to the desk was

makeing me very ill and it was because more people set in those seats

and thier smells rubbed off onto those seats. it was a mixture of

smells but one smell and my reaction was very familuar.-- In

, " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2c@...> wrote:

>

> I don't why anyone would target just women, this does not make a

bit

> of sense. Yes, mold exposure most definately needs to be considered

> almost above everything else (unless chemcial) because we know how

> it has effected our system and the capability of these toxins. As

> far trying to throw into the equation " emotional contingent of

fears

> and terror, fear of losing ones job, home, relation, are powerful

> stressors " all of these stressors per se, in my opinion, cause a

> condition to become worse than what it should be. But NOT the cause

> of the condition. If this was a fact then I and many others in this

> country would have the same serious ailments, conditions,

syndromes,

> etc. Stress, we all know about stress and many of us have probably

> been at the same level for many years and the fear of losing your

> home, your family, bottomline your life and I don't have any of

> these serious conditions and I've been in a stress mode for the

past

> 9 years.

>

> If stress causes our condition of damaged organs, loss of memory

> and/or concentration and many others, then every person in

> Washington DC and probably across the country should be battling

the

> same thing we are. Which puts everyone in an immunocompromised

> position to open the gateway for many physical and mental ailments.

> So bottomline, stressors are not the cause, that is just what we

> are " told " to believe, especially from the CDC.

>

> MCS is a physical reaction, not a psychological reaction. How would

> you convience anyone that it's a psychological reaction after

> exposure when they don't have any voice for 3 or 4 days? How do you

> train your body to react this way? As I have been told by a doctor,

> we have to untrain our body. And this guy had the nerve to call

> himself a doctor. How is it psychological when some chemicals set

> you off and others don't and your airways restrict? How is it

> psychological when your lungs begin to fill with fluid after a

> chemical hit?

>

> As far as more women going to the doctor for this or any other

> condition, that is true, basically as the main caregiver in most

> families they have to make sure that what they have will only be

> (hopefully) a mild case and that they can continue their routines.

I

> tip my hat to them... Men tend to wait much longer before making

> appointments, in general. Or until it is an emergency. But I know

> many women who are like this also and push their husbands to see a

> doctor before them. So I of course, as you can see I have mixed

> feelings about this.

>

> KC

>

> >

> > Thank you for posting this. I think that its useful to all of us,

> as I think

> > that the emotional trauma

> > caused by our experiences transcends just simply MCS, its

> pervasive.

> >

> > I think that the chemical and biological effects of mold exposure

> need to be

> > considered

> > in context with the emotional contingent of fears and terror.

Fear

> of losing

> > one's job,

> > home, relationship, etc. are powerful stressors.

> >

> > Then are going to have these additional physiological effects

that

> are

> > additive, and similar to the effects of the toxins by themselves,

> > but distinct in that they are triggered by fear and depression,

> and which

> > clearly also trigger additional fears and depressions themselves.

> >

> > Sort of a cascade of physical > emotional > physical > emotional

> effects...

> >

> > Thats the way I think it works..

> >

>

December 1, 2006

Jeanine, I don't mean to associate ptsd with mcs. However since there

is this close association nose/brain, could have implication to mcs.

Most direct connection of any sensory organ to brain article said. I

think that could be significant to mcs phenomenon.

>

> -barb, if a smell triggers a memory that is pychological if that

> memory triggers a emotion that is pychological, if that emotion

> triggers a physilogical reaction than it does but its not long

>

December 1, 2006

I posted something a long time ago an article that said second to

farmers, housewives most frequently develope lung infection

nicknamed Farmer's Lung, a fungal infection of lungs and that is

what I think...women don't change environments as frequently as men,

or didn't use to anyway and these data are usually 'historical' by

the time they are published, and I believe (from apartment shopping)

that home environments are moldier than business environments, part

of reason could be carpeting, and the greater amount of water used

in house, showering, cooking, etc. In news this week it said that

study just out found that twice as many people had asthma worked in

offices with wall to wall carpeting. I wonder if OTHER half lived

in homes with carpeting..study didn't look at that.

>

> - i wonder if woman are getting this illness more because woman

are

> in the home more and do more of the cleaning witch could lead to

more

> exposure. i know for a fact that with a moldy home where its heavy

in

> the carpet just vacumming stirs it up and causes higher amounts to

be

>

December 1, 2006

-pstd is associated with mcs and chronic fatique and fibromyalgia.

-- In

, " barb1283 " <barb1283@...> wrote:

>

> Jeanine, I don't mean to associate ptsd with mcs. However since there

> is this close association nose/brain, could have implication to mcs.

> Most direct connection of any sensory organ to brain article said. I

> think that could be significant to mcs phenomenon.

>

> >

> > -barb, if a smell triggers a memory that is pychological if that

> > memory triggers a emotion that is pychological, if that emotion

> > triggers a physilogical reaction than it does but its not long

> >

>

December 1, 2006

Barb,

The mcs reaction is not just about the smell. The smell is an

attribute of the element or compound or chemicals, that triggers the

mcs. Think of natural gas - which itself has no smell, but definately

causes a reaction in everyone - potentially resulting in death. When

you smell a gas leak, what you smell is actually a substance added to

the gas to make it smell - so that you will know if you have a leak.

The mcs reaction is akin to a response to the gas - not just the smell.

Does this help? This difficulty understanding is why many of our

families think we are merely bothered by or 'don't like' smells - but

our reactions are much worse than that and have nothing to do with

preference. Many smells I loved my whole life are produced by

substances that now give me problems - including flowers (roses,

lilacs, lily of the valley, etc), and I am sad I can no longer enjoy them.

I hope this helps and appreciate your sincere desire to understand.

Sue

> > It's so hard for me, not having experienced problem, to

understand how a smell can have such a HUGE effect on someone, so it

made an impression on me, that there was such a strong connection to

brain from sensory organs in nose that pick up smell.

>

December 1, 2006

Pall is very known in the MCS world. Here is a recent

interview he did on the Republic Broadcasting Network. Go to the site

and look for archives, november 10 on the 2pm - 4 pm hour show. But

it is on tape. http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Deagle06.html It is very

interesting and he talks about the brain I think he said the

Thalamaus (spell)is a part of the brain that is affected. I have

not listened to all of it but it is very good. The guy on the radio

seemed to know alot also. Check it out. It is detailed but very good.

Something you can do while just sitting there and listen to it.

> > >

> > > -barb, if a smell triggers a memory that is pychological if that

> > > memory triggers a emotion that is pychological, if that emotion

> > > triggers a physilogical reaction than it does but its not long

> > >

> >

>

December 1, 2006

I also now have problems with lilacs, lily of the valley, just the

really fragranced flowers but have no trouble with plants except for

bad dirt.

> > > It's so hard for me, not having experienced problem, to

> understand how a smell can have such a HUGE effect on someone, so it

> made an impression on me, that there was such a strong connection to

> brain from sensory organs in nose that pick up smell.

> >

>

December 1, 2006

Well, I think you are right KC, as any Dr will tell you- men will not

go to the DR!- My endocrinologist told me the only way a man will go

to the Dr is if he becomes impotent! LOL

--- In , " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2c@...>