New Guy

[Guest guest]

A big welcome to .

I too am a primary caregiver - I have three children - two boys aged 11 and

13 and a daughter aged 9. It is the most challenging for me when I am

incapacitated so that I cannot drive several months out of the year. My

spouse travels 100 days of the year, and works from 6:30 am to 7ish when he

is in town. I also have no relatives to speak of who can help -- they all

live far away and even if they were in town it would not be very helpful

anyway.

I have found several ways to help deal with the frustrations the children, my

husband and I experience. I hope we can open this topic wide up. To improve

the quality of our lives is paramount to me.

We are self-determined-if we want a certain quality of life and are willing to

be flexible, open to change/learning

and the outside help of a Family Counselor (we use one) it can be so much

better (IMHO).

Glad you are on board.

(By now floating in the Atlantic Ocean somewhere off the coast of Ocean City,

NJ), with a huge iced tea in an insulated mug in her hand.

[Guest guest]

Just went on Methotrexate for PA myself a month ago.I am CAUTIOUSLY

optimistic. Begining to see the proverbial Light At The End Of The

Tunnel....

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for your e-mail. Yes I am seeing an RD. I've been with RD's

since the beginning almost 9 yrs ago. At 32 I'm fearful of what they will be

prescribing for me in 10-20 years. I am going to try some homeopathic remedies

again. I have tried it in the past but have never been able to stick with it

because of the pain. I always knew if I would start my meds again I could at

least function somewhat normally. The difference this time is that the only way

I'm functioning this time, and normally is debatable, is to be doped up on

darvocet. The quick fix of taking my NSAIDS again isn't working and I'm not

willing to take the Prednisone my RD gave me.

Dan <drhughes@...>

[Guest guest]

Get blood tests for:

IGF-1

LH

FSH

Prolactin

DHEA-S

Thyroid Panel

Tranferrin and Serum Ferritin

SHBG

PSA

Find out where all your hormone levels are first and why your Testosterone

levels are low.

Need to be agressive on getting all these tests done before you start TRT. You

can go in

monday and get the blood test form and fill it out yourself, don't wait two

months.

Need a drug history and any use of pro-hormones, hair loss drugs, etc.....

Without most of these tests a Doctor can't make a diagnosis.

>

>

> Well I'm the new guy here.

>

> Here's my story. I am 48, have been slowly gaining weight for

> several years, have had some success at losing it on Atkins, but am

> at a start over point.. doig well. About 14 years ago I got a viral

> infection in my testicles (boy did that hurt!). I have noticed a

> steady loss of drive, frequent fatigue, feeling depressed and

> irritable, progressive ED, poor blood lipid profile, declining

> libido, etc etc etc.... all symptoms that a number of articles and

> web sites say can be caused by low testosterone and are commonly

> lumped together under " andropause " .

>

> About four years ago I talked to my doctor about testosterone

> replacement. He was doing some blood work anyway so he added

> testosterone test. All he said about the results was that it was in

> the low normal range for my age. But he was against testosterone

> replacment, saying it can cause heart disease, prostate cancer and a

> host of other ills. So that was the end of the conversation.

>

> I have since changed doctors (because my health insurance changed).

> I have continued researching TRT and find that the list of promblems

> my other doctor gave me is not really true. In the mean time my

> symptoms are progressing (as I get older damn it!).

>

> Last week I had a doctor appointment and I knew he would take blood

> so I asked him about TRT. He said he had some clients on it and

> doing well.. sounded very interested in the treatment. So he added

> testosterone level to the blood tests. Yesterday I got a letter

> with test results for the complete series of tests he ran. He had

> checkmarks besides those that were normal. He checked testosterone

> as " normal " noting that the level was 480. The doctor asked me to

> make a follow up appointment for two months to monitor my blood

> lipids, but no other comment about TRT. So I am afraid he may not

> want to do anything about my testosterne level since it wasn't " low "

> (under 300).

>

> From what I have read, 480 is in the " normal " range but probably not

> in the adequate range. Most articles suggest a level of at least 700

> to ward of symptoms of andropause. I called the doctor's office and

> talked to his nurse (he had left for the day and will be gone this

> coming week). I explained what I had read and that if the doctor was

> not willing to consider TRT at this level to please refer to an

> endocrinologist. I was really excited when he sounded positive

> toward TRT and quite disappointed when he seemed to dismiss me

> as " normal " with no follow-up.

>

> I have read many of the posts in this group. It seems that most of

> you guys are classically " hypgonadism " starting with really low

> testosterone levels of 300 or even much lower. Is anyone else here

> a middle aged male not content to suffer the usual symptoms of

> decling testosterone levels? Did you have trouble convincing doctors

> to prescribe TRT with levels that were in the low normal range?

>

> It seems to me that if I went in with a level of 180-200 most

> doctors would be willing to prescribe TRT and boost to 700-800. So

> why should someone with a level of less than 500 have to suffer with

> symptoms when his optimum level should also be 700-800?

>

> There seems to be a lot of experience and wisdom among this group.

> Any comments or advice?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Not the sharpest tool in the box but I'll make some comments that may

be practicle.

Did you mean you are having trouble with all the symptoms indicating

low testosterone? Or are you having some ED problems that you didn't

mention as well. How is your interest in sex?

Many things can cause trouble with ED and weight gain. Low thyroid can

do a job on you as well as high estrogen called E2 which can rise to a

level where it gives bad symptoms. Medications like those to lower

cholesterol are even suspect like depression, anxiety and blood

pressure medications. The doctors do not keep up on the medications

that cause ED. Lack of exercise can upset your metabolism. Smoking and

drinking may even have an impact.

Masturbation in excess may not leave anything left over for the spouse

for instance. Psychological problems can sneak in when porno takes

over the stimulation for sex compared to a spouse that isn't quite as

inspiring. Common sense should still apply here. You can't have quilt

in your relationship.

Get to an endocrinologist that has many years experience as doctors

new to hormone therapy should be avoided as they get their technical

education from pharmaceutical reps. No formal training as it is not

life and death here they say. It is tough to ask your friends who is a

good endocrinologist so ask those in the medical profession first.

Continue the reading as you must know when you are receiving poor

treatment.

ernestnolan

>

>

> Well I'm the new guy here.

>

> Here's my story. I am 48, have been slowly gaining weight for

> several years, have had some success at losing it on Atkins, but am

> at a start over point.. doig well. About 14 years ago I got a viral

> infection in my testicles (boy did that hurt!). I have noticed a

> steady loss of drive, frequent fatigue, feeling depressed and

> irritable, progressive ED, poor blood lipid profile, declining

> libido, etc etc etc.... all symptoms that a number of articles and

> web sites say can be caused by low testosterone and are commonly

> lumped together under " andropause " .

>

> About four years ago I talked to my doctor about testosterone

> replacement. He was doing some blood work anyway so he added

> testosterone test. All he said about the results was that it was in

> the low normal range for my age. But he was against testosterone

> replacment, saying it can cause heart disease, prostate cancer and a

> host of other ills. So that was the end of the conversation.

>

> I have since changed doctors (because my health insurance changed).

> I have continued researching TRT and find that the list of promblems

> my other doctor gave me is not really true. In the mean time my

> symptoms are progressing (as I get older damn it!).

>

> Last week I had a doctor appointment and I knew he would take blood

> so I asked him about TRT. He said he had some clients on it and

> doing well.. sounded very interested in the treatment. So he added

> testosterone level to the blood tests. Yesterday I got a letter

> with test results for the complete series of tests he ran. He had

> checkmarks besides those that were normal. He checked testosterone

> as " normal " noting that the level was 480. The doctor asked me to

> make a follow up appointment for two months to monitor my blood

> lipids, but no other comment about TRT. So I am afraid he may not

> want to do anything about my testosterne level since it wasn't " low "

> (under 300).

>

> From what I have read, 480 is in the " normal " range but probably not

> in the adequate range. Most articles suggest a level of at least 700

> to ward of symptoms of andropause. I called the doctor's office and

> talked to his nurse (he had left for the day and will be gone this

> coming week). I explained what I had read and that if the doctor was

> not willing to consider TRT at this level to please refer to an

> endocrinologist. I was really excited when he sounded positive

> toward TRT and quite disappointed when he seemed to dismiss me

> as " normal " with no follow-up.

>

> I have read many of the posts in this group. It seems that most of

> you guys are classically " hypgonadism " starting with really low

> testosterone levels of 300 or even much lower. Is anyone else here

> a middle aged male not content to suffer the usual symptoms of

> decling testosterone levels? Did you have trouble convincing doctors

> to prescribe TRT with levels that were in the low normal range?

>

> It seems to me that if I went in with a level of 180-200 most

> doctors would be willing to prescribe TRT and boost to 700-800. So

> why should someone with a level of less than 500 have to suffer with

> symptoms when his optimum level should also be 700-800?

>

> There seems to be a lot of experience and wisdom among this group.

> Any comments or advice?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Earnest,

Thanks for your response. If you will reread my first paragraph you

will see that I am having trouble with the whole laundry list of

problems that may be caused by low testosterone, encluding ED. That

is certainly one of the main problems I would like to fix, but

certainly not the only one. Interest in sex isn't what it used to

be by far, but I am not not interested, hence the desire to improve

ED. Just out of curiosity.. you want to define masturbation to

excess? Maybe that is why I need new glasses.

>

>

> Hi,

>

> Not the sharpest tool in the box but I'll make some comments that

may

> be practicle.

>

> Did you mean you are having trouble with all the symptoms

indicating

> low testosterone? Or are you having some ED problems that you

didn't

> mention as well. How is your interest in sex?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi -

I am right in your ballpark...I test in the high 400s, and have

symptoms of hypo. You need to be treated more based on how you feel,

not by numbers. I am only 28, but my doctor wants to treat me

because of my symptoms. Even at your age, chances are your T is too

low and you would benefit greatly by getting it over 700 or so. Good

luck

DK

>

>

> Well I'm the new guy here.

>

> Here's my story. I am 48, have been slowly gaining weight for

> several years, have had some success at losing it on Atkins, but

am

> at a start over point.. doig well. About 14 years ago I got a

viral

> infection in my testicles (boy did that hurt!). I have noticed a

> steady loss of drive, frequent fatigue, feeling depressed and

> irritable, progressive ED, poor blood lipid profile, declining

> libido, etc etc etc.... all symptoms that a number of articles and

> web sites say can be caused by low testosterone and are commonly

> lumped together under " andropause " .

>

> About four years ago I talked to my doctor about testosterone

> replacement. He was doing some blood work anyway so he added

> testosterone test. All he said about the results was that it was

in

> the low normal range for my age. But he was against testosterone

> replacment, saying it can cause heart disease, prostate cancer and

a

> host of other ills. So that was the end of the conversation.

>

> I have since changed doctors (because my health insurance

changed).

> I have continued researching TRT and find that the list of

promblems

> my other doctor gave me is not really true. In the mean time my

> symptoms are progressing (as I get older damn it!).

>

> Last week I had a doctor appointment and I knew he would take

blood

> so I asked him about TRT. He said he had some clients on it and

> doing well.. sounded very interested in the treatment. So he added

> testosterone level to the blood tests. Yesterday I got a letter

> with test results for the complete series of tests he ran. He had

> checkmarks besides those that were normal. He checked testosterone

> as " normal " noting that the level was 480. The doctor asked me to

> make a follow up appointment for two months to monitor my blood

> lipids, but no other comment about TRT. So I am afraid he may not

> want to do anything about my testosterne level since it

wasn't " low "

> (under 300).

>

> From what I have read, 480 is in the " normal " range but probably

not

> in the adequate range. Most articles suggest a level of at least

700

> to ward of symptoms of andropause. I called the doctor's office

and

> talked to his nurse (he had left for the day and will be gone this

> coming week). I explained what I had read and that if the doctor

was

> not willing to consider TRT at this level to please refer to an

> endocrinologist. I was really excited when he sounded positive

> toward TRT and quite disappointed when he seemed to dismiss me

> as " normal " with no follow-up.

>

> I have read many of the posts in this group. It seems that most of

> you guys are classically " hypgonadism " starting with really low

> testosterone levels of 300 or even much lower. Is anyone else

here

> a middle aged male not content to suffer the usual symptoms of

> decling testosterone levels? Did you have trouble convincing

doctors

> to prescribe TRT with levels that were in the low normal range?

>

> It seems to me that if I went in with a level of 180-200 most

> doctors would be willing to prescribe TRT and boost to 700-800. So

> why should someone with a level of less than 500 have to suffer

with

> symptoms when his optimum level should also be 700-800?

>

> There seems to be a lot of experience and wisdom among this

group.

> Any comments or advice?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Theta's test list is great. I do suggest adding total T again, plus

free T plus estradiol (aka E2). Low free T, high SHBG and high

estrogens can cause significant symptoms even with a total T

levels around 480. Tests will give a better idea.

Most endocrinologists are more conservative about TRT than

your old doc. Suggest getting the tests, & if treating male

hormones can be reasonably expected to help you, we'll help

you find the right doc.

Bruce

> >

> >

> > Well I'm the new guy here.

> >

> > Here's my story. I am 48, have been slowly gaining weight

for

> > several years, have had some success at losing it on Atkins,

but am

> > at a start over point.. doig well. About 14 years ago I got a

viral

> > infection in my testicles (boy did that hurt!). I have noticed a

> > steady loss of drive, frequent fatigue, feeling depressed and

> > irritable, progressive ED, poor blood lipid profile, declining

> > libido, etc etc etc.... all symptoms that a number of articles

and

> > web sites say can be caused by low testosterone and are

commonly

> > lumped together under " andropause " .

> >

> > About four years ago I talked to my doctor about testosterone

> > replacement. He was doing some blood work anyway so he

added

> > testosterone test. All he said about the results was that it

was in

> > the low normal range for my age. But he was against

testosterone

> > replacment, saying it can cause heart disease, prostate

cancer and a

> > host of other ills. So that was the end of the conversation.

> >

> > I have since changed doctors (because my health insurance

changed).

> > I have continued researching TRT and find that the list of

promblems

> > my other doctor gave me is not really true. In the mean time

my

> > symptoms are progressing (as I get older damn it!).

> >

> > Last week I had a doctor appointment and I knew he would

take blood

> > so I asked him about TRT. He said he had some clients on it

and

> > doing well.. sounded very interested in the treatment. So he

added

> > testosterone level to the blood tests. Yesterday I got a letter

> > with test results for the complete series of tests he ran. He

had

> > checkmarks besides those that were normal. He checked

testosterone

> > as " normal " noting that the level was 480. The doctor asked

me to

> > make a follow up appointment for two months to monitor my

blood

> > lipids, but no other comment about TRT. So I am afraid he

may not

> > want to do anything about my testosterne level since it wasn't

" low "

> > (under 300).

> >

> > From what I have read, 480 is in the " normal " range but

probably not

> > in the adequate range. Most articles suggest a level of at

least 700

> > to ward of symptoms of andropause. I called the doctor's

office and

> > talked to his nurse (he had left for the day and will be gone

this

> > coming week). I explained what I had read and that if the

doctor was

> > not willing to consider TRT at this level to please refer to an

> > endocrinologist. I was really excited when he sounded

positive

> > toward TRT and quite disappointed when he seemed to

dismiss me

> > as " normal " with no follow-up.

> >

> > I have read many of the posts in this group. It seems that

most of

> > you guys are classically " hypgonadism " starting with really

low

> > testosterone levels of 300 or even much lower. Is anyone

else here

> > a middle aged male not content to suffer the usual

symptoms of

> > decling testosterone levels? Did you have trouble convincing

doctors

> > to prescribe TRT with levels that were in the low normal

range?

> >

> > It seems to me that if I went in with a level of 180-200 most

> > doctors would be willing to prescribe TRT and boost to

700-800. So

> > why should someone with a level of less than 500 have to

suffer with

> > symptoms when his optimum level should also be 700-800?

> >

> > There seems to be a lot of experience and wisdom among

this group.

> > Any comments or advice?

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Bruce,

Thanks for the additional advice on tests, etc.

Obviously the trick to getting back on the right track is to find

the right doctor who can and will treat hormone levels in males. I

am a little hopeful that my GP may be willing to, but am not really

sure, nor am I sure that he has the experience to interpret all the

test results and work to balance levels.. just have to wait and see.

I did find a link to The Hormone Foundation/Endocrine Society with a

searchable data base of doctors who treat hormone levels in men.

Two are here in my city, one is in my insurance PPO. On his web page

he has links to a variety of information documents published by the

Hormone Foundation, including one on low testosterone which includes

andropause and recomends treatment to alieviate symptoms.

I find this a hopeful sign that if my GP is unwilling or unable to

treat my hormone levels, this endocrinologist might.

If neither of these docotors pan out, I certainly hope that you and

others in this group will be able to help me find one who can and

will help.

>

>

> Most endocrinologists are more conservative about TRT than

> your old doc. Suggest getting the tests, & if treating male

> hormones can be reasonably expected to help you, we'll help

> you find the right doc.

>

> Bruce

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I don't know but would recognize it when I see it.

Excessive is full of other considerations here. When a man's interest

in sex is low to begin with and he wants to maintain his normal

masturbation routine in spite of the fact that he can no longer get it

up for his spouse, he should be considerate enough to save something

for his spouse. If he only has so many shells he can shoot per week

why not save some to the wife.

It is frequently easier to become aroused by porn at the expense of

the wife and eventually some men give up the porn in behalf of the

wife (maybe). The spouse deserves a good life and us men should be

feeling guilty if we don't provide that for her.

Sometimes the wife doesn't look as good as she used to when it comes

time for sex and it is more dificult to make the visual stimulation

work. Gotta try and fix that somehow. More mastrubation under those

circumstances is not wise for any thinking man.

Some guys can't do it anymore and find a sweet young thing that can

visually stimulate them to prove they are still a potent man.

Some divorce the wife when sex begins to fail. I guess some women do

it too.

Did I cover it all.

ernestnolan

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > Not the sharpest tool in the box but I'll make some comments that

> may

> > be practicle.

> >

> > Did you mean you are having trouble with all the symptoms

> indicating

> > low testosterone? Or are you having some ED problems that you

> didn't

> > mention as well. How is your interest in sex?

> >

[Guest guest]

Looking at the reference chart, the standard deviation is significant,

since it is a large fraction of the mean. I can see now why doctors

would consider a level of 200 " normal " since it is only 2 standard

deviations below the mean for the 35-44 age group- ~16 percent of the

population should then have a level of 240 or less. My doctor said he

won't treat me unless I am a statistical low (what 5th percentile???)

regardless of the several symptoms I am experiencing... I get my lab

work back this week.

>

> Hi -

>

> I am right in your ballpark...I test in the high 400s, and have

> symptoms of hypo. You need to be treated more based on how you feel,

> not by numbers. I am only 28, but my doctor wants to treat me

> because of my symptoms. Even at your age, chances are your T is too

> low and you would benefit greatly by getting it over 700 or so. Good

> luck

>

> DK

>k

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Even if the GP is willing, you should not waste your money and time.

This is not his specialty and he will learn on you instead of give you

proper care.

Get to the best qualified endocrinologist you can.

ernestnolan

> >

> >

> > Most endocrinologists are more conservative about TRT than

> > your old doc. Suggest getting the tests, & if treating male

> > hormones can be reasonably expected to help you, we'll help

> > you find the right doc.

> >

> > Bruce

[Guest guest]

Well,

Here is what has happened so far:

My GP referred me to a Urologist, rather than an Endocrinologist as

I had asked. I am aware that some Urologists to a fine job of

treating andropause and have lots of experience with HRT. I do not

know if this one does ore not. My appointment is for Tues. March

1st... I don't know whether to just go and find out what is what, or

whether to call my GP's office to find out why he chose this doctor

and/or call the Urologist's office to find out more about him.

The Urologist's office maile me some paper work to fill out.. much

of it has to do with ED... which is a SYMPTOM that I want to

emprove, but not the only symptom that has me seeking HRT.

What think you all?

> > >

> > >

> > > Most endocrinologists are more conservative about TRT than

> > > your old doc. Suggest getting the tests, & if treating male

> > > hormones can be reasonably expected to help you, we'll help

> > > you find the right doc.

> > >

> > > Bruce

[Guest guest]

You should study the AACE guidelines for treating hypogonadism

located in the " LINKS " section of this forum. Insist on all the tests

to find the real cause of your low T. Don't be afraid to ask

questions or assert yourself. Hopefully he is a good MD and listens

to patients.

Regards,

K4

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Most endocrinologists are more conservative about TRT than

> > > > your old doc. Suggest getting the tests, & if treating male

> > > > hormones can be reasonably expected to help you, we'll help

> > > > you find the right doc.

> > > >

> > > > Bruce

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Given the testicular infection you had some years back, a

checkup from urologist is the reasonable next step. See if he'll

also run the tests that Theta mentioned (msg. 21722). Let us

know what he says.

Few " mainstream " docs will consider your recent total T of 480 to

be abnormally low. The uro will probably resist if you push the

testosterone issue too much. However, he should not object to

tests that might " prove him right " (or not).

" Andropause " is a dirty word with many docs. They consider it a

normal part of aging, so it isn't a disease, so it shouldn't be

treated, treating it is bad medicine, etc. etc., blah, blah. In some

cases they may be right: starting out on male hormone therapy is

best avoided if symptoms are mild. Your symptoms seem to be

severe enough to deserve treatment. Note that other conditions

can cause your symptoms, so pushing for testosterone therapy

now may be premature.

If you want anti-aging testosterone therapy without a diagnosis of

hypogonadism, there are docs who will provide it. They believe

making a person feel better is valid medicine (well, duh). You will

probably need to find such doc yourself, we can help. Let us

know what you think after you've seen the uro.

Thus think all I,

Bruce

>

>

> Well,

>

> Here is what has happened so far:

>

> My GP referred me to a Urologist, rather than an

Endocrinologist as

> I had asked. I am aware that some Urologists to a fine job of

> treating andropause and have lots of experience with HRT. I do

not

> know if this one does ore not. My appointment is for Tues.

March

> 1st... I don't know whether to just go and find out what is what,

or

> whether to call my GP's office to find out why he chose this

doctor

> and/or call the Urologist's office to find out more about him.

>

> The Urologist's office maile me some paper work to fill out..

much

> of it has to do with ED... which is a SYMPTOM that I want to

> emprove, but not the only symptom that has me seeking HRT.

>

> What think you all?

[Guest guest]

Hi all iam trying to get my first prescrition filled and there telling me it only comes in 50mg is that true or how do i get the right dose? VicAletha Wittmann <Aletha@...> wrote: Coming right up.Aletha Re: [low dose naltrexone] OT Benfotiamine- Tom Bayuk>>> Hi Arlene,>> My husband takes Benfotiamine and so does Gerald from our chat site. I > will> forward on an earlier message regarding the product and the amounts he> suggested that one take.>> It is a wonderful way to get a large quaintly of B1 without taking shots.> Some MS'rs get a great deal of help with it.>> My best>

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[Guest guest]

>

>

> Hi all iam trying to get my first prescrition filled and there telling me it

only comes in 50mg is that true or how do i get the right dose? Vic

======

Vic,

If you are in the USA got to the homepage of the LDN website and scroll down and

look for the list of reputable compounding pharmacies. Choose one and call to

see how to send your prescription in and make payment arrangements and they will

mail your pills to you. You must use a compounding pharmacy and the best ones

to get it properly mixed are listed on the LDN website. Make sure whatever

compounding pharmacy you do choose that they use pure naltrexone powder. Do not

use a pharmacy that crushes the 50mg naltrexone tablets into a powder but one

that uses pure naltrexone powder. Also make sure your compounding pharmacy DOES

NOT use any calcium carbonate as a filler in your LDN capsules. Calcium

carbonate can cause LDN to release slow and LDN MUST release fast to work. The

best fillers are...Lactose(but if allergic to lactose) ask for dairy free

non-refrigerate Acidophilus as a filler, there's also gelatin or

Avicel(cellulose).

LDN website homepage

http://www.ldninfo.org

[Guest guest]

You need to have it compounded to the correct dose.

Personally I dont like mixing meds and soutions myself

as I feel more comfortable if a profesionial does it

but thats just me.

Welcome to the group!!!!!!!!!!!!

--- Victor Nicassio <cruzn51@...> wrote:

>

> Hi all iam trying to get my first prescrition filled

> and there telling me it only comes in 50mg is that

> true or how do i get the right dose? Vic

> Aletha Wittmann <Aletha@...> wrote:

> Coming right up.

> Aletha

> Re: [low dose naltrexone] OT Benfotiamine-

> Tom Bayuk

> >

> >

> > Hi Arlene,

> >

> > My husband takes Benfotiamine and so does Gerald

> from our chat site. I

> > will

> > forward on an earlier message regarding the

> product and the amounts he

> > suggested that one take.

> >

> > It is a wonderful way to get a large quaintly of

> B1 without taking shots.

> > Some MS'rs get a great deal of help with it.

> >

> > My best

> > Aletha

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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i thought about having it done but the pharmasist told me it cost @115.00 so i told him to drop deadM B <skippertulip2@...> wrote: You need to have it compounded to the correct dose. Personally I dont like mixing meds and soutions myselfas I feel more comfortable if a profesionial does itbut thats just me.Welcome to the group!!!!!!!!!!!!--- Victor Nicassio <cruzn51 > wrote:> > Hi all iam trying to get my first

prescrition filled> and there telling me it only comes in 50mg is that> true or how do i get the right dose? Vic> Aletha Wittmann <Aletharedshift> wrote: > Coming right up.> Aletha> Re: [low dose naltrexone] OT Benfotiamine-> Tom Bayuk> >> >> > Hi Arlene,> >> > My husband takes Benfotiamine and so does Gerald> from our chat site. I > > will> > forward on an earlier message regarding the> product and the amounts he> > suggested that one take.> >> > It is a wonderful way to get a large quaintly of> B1 without taking shots.> > Some MS'rs get a great deal of help with it.> >> > My best> > Aletha> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

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>

> i thought about having it done but the pharmasist told me it cost @115.00 so i

told him to drop dead

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Call Irmat pharmacy in NY, that's the pharmacy Dr. Bihari sends his patients to.

You'll probably pay somewhere between $30 and $40 for 30 capsules.

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Skips tends to be cheaper at $15/month. Irmat is great too, but more

expensive and they don't spend time with you on the phone. We use Irmat and

are very happy with them, but I think Skip is more in touch with his

clients. We may switch in the future for that reason. We stay with Irmat

for now because they are near Dr. Bihari and because is doing so well

we worry about doing anything different (changing fillers etc.).

Aletha

[low dose naltrexone] Re: New guy

>

>

>>

>> i thought about having it done but the pharmasist told me it cost @115.00

>> so i told him to drop dead

> ======

>

> Call Irmat pharmacy in NY, that's the pharmacy Dr. Bihari sends his

> patients to. You'll probably pay somewhere between $30 and $40 for 30

> capsules.

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>

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where do u live? I NEVER heard of a price that high

for LDN in any dosage

--- Victor Nicassio <cruzn51@...> wrote:

> i thought about having it done but the pharmasist

> told me it cost @115.00 so i told him to drop dead

>

> M B <skippertulip2@...> wrote: You

> need to have it compounded to the correct dose.

> Personally I dont like mixing meds and soutions

> myself

> as I feel more comfortable if a profesionial does it

> but thats just me.

>

> Welcome to the group!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> --- Victor Nicassio <cruzn51@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > Hi all iam trying to get my first prescrition

> filled

> > and there telling me it only comes in 50mg is that

> > true or how do i get the right dose? Vic

> > Aletha Wittmann <Aletha@...> wrote:

> > Coming right up.

> > Aletha

> > Re: [low dose naltrexone] OT

> Benfotiamine-

> > Tom Bayuk

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Arlene,

> > >

> > > My husband takes Benfotiamine and so does Gerald

> > from our chat site. I

> > > will

> > > forward on an earlier message regarding the

> > product and the amounts he

> > > suggested that one take.

> > >

> > > It is a wonderful way to get a large quaintly of

> > B1 without taking shots.

> > > Some MS'rs get a great deal of help with it.

> > >

> > > My best

> > > Aletha

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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there are a list of approved ldn pharmacies that have been involved with ldn and know what they are doing. These people understand how  how to do this what fillers to use.  cyndiPharmacyPhoneFaxIrmat Pharmacy, New York, NY(212) 685-0500(800) 975-2809(212) 532-6596Gideon's Drugs, New York, NY(212) 575-6868(212) 575-6334The Compounder Pharmacy, Aurora, IL(630) 859-0333(800) 679-4667(630) 859-0114The Medicine Shoppe, Canandaigua, NY(585) 396-9970(800) 396-9970(585) 396-7264Skip's Pharmacy, Boca Raton, FL(561) 218-0111(800) 553-7429(561) 218-8873's Pharmacy, Toronto, Canada(416) 488-2600(800) 361-6624(On Jul 26, 2006, at 12:14 AM, Bren wrote: i 

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i was curious was that a regular pharmacy or a compounding pharmacy?

cyndi

On Jul 26, 2006, at 2:05 AM, M B wrote:

> where do u live? I NEVER heard of a price that high

> for LDN in any dosage

>

> --- Victor Nicassio <cruzn51@...> wrote:

>

>> i thought about having it done but the pharmasist

>> told me it cost @115.00 so i told him to drop dead

>>

>> M B <skippertulip2@...> wrote: You

>> need to have it compounded to the correct dose.

>> Personally I dont like mixing meds and soutions

>> myself

>> as I feel more comfortable if a profesionial does it

>> but thats just me.

>>

>> Welcome to the group!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>

>> --- Victor Nicassio <cruzn51@...> wrote:

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it was a regular pharmacy who got a price from a compounding pharmacyCyndi Lenz <psychrn@...> wrote: i was curious was that a regular pharmacy or a compounding pharmacy?cyndiOn Jul 26, 2006, at 2:05 AM, M B wrote:> where do u live? I NEVER heard of a price that high> for LDN in any dosage>> --- Victor Nicassio <cruzn51 > wrote:>>> i thought about having it done but the pharmasist>> told me it cost

@115.00 so i told him to drop dead>>>> M B <skippertulip2 > wrote: You>> need to have it compounded to the correct dose.>> Personally I dont like mixing meds and soutions>> myself>> as I feel more comfortable if a profesionial does it>> but thats just me.>>>> Welcome to the group!!!!!!!!!!!!>>>> --- Victor Nicassio <cruzn51 > wrote:

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