Guest guest Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Great advice Gloria!! . It doesn't do anyone any good to bottle it up!....I didn't post about the orphans to make any of us feel guilty...just wanted you all to know why I hadn't posted for awhile. I am the best at feeling sorry for myself when I'm in pain everyday! ...Ed,even with him having cirrhosis, is so patient with me. Sometimes he pampers me when it should be the other way around.                                                                              Love,Jill  We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. ________________________________ To: livercirrhosissupport Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 10:33:37 PM Subject: Re: (unknown)  Yup, we can always find a reason for guilting ourselves! Oh ya, I do it too. How dare I complain when there is real tragedy in the world and especially to children. But, a good friend of mine told me a few years ago (his wife died of lung cancer) that I had to take the time to do that complaining and feeling sorry for myself occasionally or it would just all bottle up into stress!!! Gloria ____________ _________ _________ __ I can handle most anything except bad things happening to my daughter..with all the troubles in Haiti and the rest of the world, I shouldn't complain.... Dave ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 7:57:51 PM Subject: Re: (unknown) Sorry to hear it,Dave..sounds like it's coming at you in buckets! Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 8:37:41 PM Subject: Re: (unknown) My buddy died about a month ago, my daughter was diagnosed with fluid on her spine last week..is seeing neurologist in two weeks..my Pop is deaf as a post, and turns volume up so loud it rattles the walls...thats with his hearing aids in! I feel not so good physically or mentally..we all have our problem's..hate to complain..seems they come in big numbers all at once.. Dave ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 7:20:46 PM Subject: Re: (unknown) Dave - how are the people that you have been taking care of? is that what the stress is? Or is my memory playing tricks on me? My cardio put me on xanax to cut down on the strain on my heart from stress, don't know how you feel about medications like that, but has helped me a lot. Jan H On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 6:04 PM, dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com> wrote: > Not been feeling good lately..in one of the valley's of this disease..may > be sticking me in hospital soon..was doing good, but had a lot of stress > happening lately. > Dave > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Well, I know for sure that stress for me is a killer!! With this disease, the very fact that I am an eldest child with all brothers, has not been an easy road to get past for me. THEN, I'm married to a male that is the eldest child of many more sibs. Makes for an interesting load of guilt and shame in our home for sure. Lots of times, especially before I was on the first treatment, my hubby would be away working in a logging camp. He's 9 years older than me and I would be so ashamed that he would be working 12 hrs a day and there I was - unable to get out of bed. So, I guess I've had about an 8 year battle with the guilt and shame now and yet, it really doesn't seem to get that much better. However, it also means that I don't go down with a fight either!!! Gloria ________________________________ Great advice Gloria!! . It doesn't do anyone any good to bottle it up!....I didn't post about the orphans to make any of us feel guilty...just wanted you all to know why I hadn't posted for awhile. I am the best at feeling sorry for myself when I'm in pain everyday! ...Ed,even with him having cirrhosis, is so patient with me. Sometimes he pampers me when it should be the other way around. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 10:33:37 PM Subject: Re: (unknown) Yup, we can always find a reason for guilting ourselves! Oh ya, I do it too. How dare I complain when there is real tragedy in the world and especially to children. But, a good friend of mine told me a few years ago (his wife died of lung cancer) that I had to take the time to do that complaining and feeling sorry for myself occasionally or it would just all bottle up into stress!!! Gloria ____________ _________ _________ __ I can handle most anything except bad things happening to my daughter..with all the troubles in Haiti and the rest of the world, I shouldn't complain.... Dave ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 7:57:51 PM Subject: Re: (unknown) Sorry to hear it,Dave..sounds like it's coming at you in buckets! Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 8:37:41 PM Subject: Re: (unknown) My buddy died about a month ago, my daughter was diagnosed with fluid on her spine last week..is seeing neurologist in two weeks..my Pop is deaf as a post, and turns volume up so loud it rattles the walls...thats with his hearing aids in! I feel not so good physically or mentally..we all have our problem's..hate to complain..seems they come in big numbers all at once.. Dave ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 7:20:46 PM Subject: Re: (unknown) Dave - how are the people that you have been taking care of? is that what the stress is? Or is my memory playing tricks on me? My cardio put me on xanax to cut down on the strain on my heart from stress, don't know how you feel about medications like that, but has helped me a lot. Jan H On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 6:04 PM, dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com> wrote: > Not been feeling good lately..in one of the valley's of this disease..may > be sticking me in hospital soon..was doing good, but had a lot of stress > happening lately. > Dave > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Dave My husband shared something that he'd been told by a good friend many years ago. Worry is like sitting on a Rocking Chair. Lots of action but no movement!!! So, some days either one of us can actually live in that principal and others - NOT... Doesn't matter how many times our High Powers have shown us that he will even carry us through storms - we seem to have to start with the worrying. Now, it's just a matter of how many days we chose to be in pain from it. I have a client that is honestly a first class worrier; however, her adult children are worse. Since they always come to me about just about everything, it's difficult to try to get their focus off themselves and perhaps turned to think about other people's tragedy. I can almost bet, that since the massive earthquake, the eldest son has just about worried that to the point he'll need to go to the hospital soon. Gloria ________________________________ I am a chronic worrier. I worry about how much I worry. Got that from my mom...my pop has the ability to let go of things he can't control..as he says, " I just let it roll off of me " . Will hope and pray for the best, and see what the news is after she sees the neurologist. I think I will see a professional soon about my stress and depression. Hopefully they can give me a hand up. There is a stress center at a local hospital, so I may check it out. Just don't want to be checked in to a hospital right now. I have to take care of my father, and be available for my daughter and grandson. Dave ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 8:53:26 PM Subject: Re: (unknown) You know, after a while, this crazy life with a new problem every day gets to seeming normal. So, when the next wave hits, it is easier to remain standing. Except for this flu or cold or whatever I have had this last 10 days, I am really taken very good care of by God. So many things in my life can only be explained by the fact that he is in ultimate control. The hardest part is the concern for the others in my life, sons and daughters Ed and my 86 year old mother and her 75 year old sister. You are a strong person if you raised her alone and turned out well. My children's father has had multiple heart attacks and is limited in his activity, has little heart attacks now very frequently, so my kids have both parents to be concerned about too, and that bothers me. Hope they don't lose both of us too close together. Jan H On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 7:35 PM, dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com> wrote: > I don't know how she holds up...both me and her mother have ESLD, also..I > may have told the group I raised her on my own..my greatest accomplishment > for sure! > Dave > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 8:22:28 PM > Subject: Re: (unknown) > > > Dave, I also know something about syrinx since my grandsons brain surgery > was for chiari malformation like Bobby's wife. They thought at the time > that they might have to do some work on his spine too because he had a > partial syrinx, but they left it. Not sure if that is what is causing the > problem for him now. Feeling for your daughter, can't be easy to have a > problem like that in the middle of a life change and a child to take care > of. Jan H > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 7:10 PM, dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com> wrote: > > > I can handle most anything except bad things happening to my > daughter..with > > all the troubles in Haiti and the rest of the world, I shouldn't > > complain.... Dave > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 7:57:51 PM > > Subject: Re: (unknown) > > > > > > Sorry to hear it,Dave..sounds like it's coming at you in buckets! > > > > > > Love,Jill > > > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take > > our breath away. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com> > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 8:37:41 PM > > Subject: Re: (unknown) > > > > > > My buddy died about a month ago, my daughter was diagnosed with fluid on > > her spine last week..is seeing neurologist in two weeks..my Pop is deaf > as a > > post, and turns volume up so loud it rattles the walls...thats with his > > hearing aids in! I feel not so good physically or mentally..we all have > our > > problem's..hate to complain..seems they come in big numbers all at once.. > > Dave > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 7:20:46 PM > > Subject: Re: (unknown) > > > > > > Dave - how are the people that you have been taking care of? is that what > > the stress is? Or is my memory playing tricks on me? My cardio put me on > > xanax to cut down on the strain on my heart from stress, don't know how > you > > feel about medications like that, but has helped me a lot. Jan H > > > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 6:04 PM, dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com> > > wrote: > > > > > Not been feeling good lately..in one of the valley's of this > disease..may > > > be sticking me in hospital soon..was doing good, but had a lot of > stress > > > happening lately. > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 I like to think of worrying as self inventing a bad outcome. If you expect good to come, then you dont worry, only if you expect bad to come do you allow yourself to worry. Worring is letting weeds grow rampant in the garden of your mind. The good crops of peace and tranquility suffer as a consequence. To worry is to invent the negative outcome and one can just as easily invent a good one, since both are merely invented. ( easier said than done, but progress is a more realistic expectation than perfection) Love, Bobby (saadn'leelt- da ya day- n'zho) long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ________________________________ To: livercirrhosissupport Sent: Sun, January 31, 2010 3:07:28 PM Subject: Re: (unknown) Dave My husband shared something that he'd been told by a good friend many years ago. Worry is like sitting on a Rocking Chair. Lots of action but no movement!!! So, some days either one of us can actually live in that principal and others - NOT... Doesn't matter how many times our High Powers have shown us that he will even carry us through storms - we seem to have to start with the worrying. Now, it's just a matter of how many days we chose to be in pain from it. I have a client that is honestly a first class worrier; however, her adult children are worse. Since they always come to me about just about everything, it's difficult to try to get their focus off themselves and perhaps turned to think about other people's tragedy. I can almost bet, that since the massive earthquake, the eldest son has just about worried that to the point he'll need to go to the hospital soon. Gloria ____________ _________ _________ __ I am a chronic worrier. I worry about how much I worry. Got that from my mom...my pop has the ability to let go of things he can't control..as he says, " I just let it roll off of me " . Will hope and pray for the best, and see what the news is after she sees the neurologist. I think I will see a professional soon about my stress and depression. Hopefully they can give me a hand up. There is a stress center at a local hospital, so I may check it out. Just don't want to be checked in to a hospital right now. I have to take care of my father, and be available for my daughter and grandson. Dave ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 8:53:26 PM Subject: Re: (unknown) You know, after a while, this crazy life with a new problem every day gets to seeming normal. So, when the next wave hits, it is easier to remain standing. Except for this flu or cold or whatever I have had this last 10 days, I am really taken very good care of by God. So many things in my life can only be explained by the fact that he is in ultimate control. The hardest part is the concern for the others in my life, sons and daughters Ed and my 86 year old mother and her 75 year old sister. You are a strong person if you raised her alone and turned out well. My children's father has had multiple heart attacks and is limited in his activity, has little heart attacks now very frequently, so my kids have both parents to be concerned about too, and that bothers me. Hope they don't lose both of us too close together. Jan H On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 7:35 PM, dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com> wrote: > I don't know how she holds up...both me and her mother have ESLD, also..I > may have told the group I raised her on my own..my greatest accomplishment > for sure! > Dave > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 8:22:28 PM > Subject: Re: (unknown) > > > Dave, I also know something about syrinx since my grandsons brain surgery > was for chiari malformation like Bobby's wife. They thought at the time > that they might have to do some work on his spine too because he had a > partial syrinx, but they left it. Not sure if that is what is causing the > problem for him now. Feeling for your daughter, can't be easy to have a > problem like that in the middle of a life change and a child to take care > of. Jan H > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 7:10 PM, dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com> wrote: > > > I can handle most anything except bad things happening to my > daughter..with > > all the troubles in Haiti and the rest of the world, I shouldn't > > complain.... Dave > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 7:57:51 PM > > Subject: Re: (unknown) > > > > > > Sorry to hear it,Dave..sounds like it's coming at you in buckets! > > > > > > Love,Jill > > > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take > > our breath away. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com> > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 8:37:41 PM > > Subject: Re: (unknown) > > > > > > My buddy died about a month ago, my daughter was diagnosed with fluid on > > her spine last week..is seeing neurologist in two weeks..my Pop is deaf > as a > > post, and turns volume up so loud it rattles the walls...thats with his > > hearing aids in! I feel not so good physically or mentally..we all have > our > > problem's..hate to complain..seems they come in big numbers all at once.. > > Dave > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 7:20:46 PM > > Subject: Re: (unknown) > > > > > > Dave - how are the people that you have been taking care of? is that what > > the stress is? Or is my memory playing tricks on me? My cardio put me on > > xanax to cut down on the strain on my heart from stress, don't know how > you > > feel about medications like that, but has helped me a lot. Jan H > > > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 6:04 PM, dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com> > > wrote: > > > > > Not been feeling good lately..in one of the valley's of this > disease..may > > > be sticking me in hospital soon..was doing good, but had a lot of > stress > > > happening lately. > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Maybe this philosophy would have helped me get to sleep before 5 am this morning. I don't know why, sometimes I just can't sleep. Jan H On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Bob Aragon wrote: > I like to think of worrying as self inventing a bad outcome. If you expect > good to come, then you dont worry, only if you expect bad to come do you > allow yourself to worry. Worring is letting weeds grow rampant in the garden > of your mind. The good crops of peace and tranquility suffer as a > consequence. > To worry is to invent the negative outcome and one can just as easily > invent a good one, since both are merely invented. ( easier said than done, > but progress is a more realistic expectation than perfection) > > Love, Bobby > > (saadn'leelt- da ya day- n'zho) > long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer > > > > > ________________________________ > > To: livercirrhosissupport > Sent: Sun, January 31, 2010 3:07:28 PM > Subject: Re: (unknown) > > > Dave > > My husband shared something that he'd been told by a good friend many years > ago. > > Worry is like sitting on a Rocking Chair. Lots of action but no > movement!!! > > So, some days either one of us can actually live in that principal and > others - NOT... Doesn't matter how many times our High Powers have shown us > that he will even carry us through storms - we seem to have to start with > the worrying. Now, it's just a matter of how many days we chose to be in > pain from it. > > I have a client that is honestly a first class worrier; however, her adult > children are worse. Since they always come to me about just about > everything, it's difficult to try to get their focus off themselves and > perhaps turned to think about other people's tragedy. I can almost bet, > that since the massive earthquake, the eldest son has just about worried > that to the point he'll need to go to the hospital soon. > > Gloria > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > I am a chronic worrier. I worry about how much I worry. Got that from my > mom...my pop has the ability to let go of things he can't control..as he > says, " I just let it roll off of me " . Will hope and pray for the best, and > see what the news is after she sees the neurologist. I think I will see a > professional soon about my stress and depression. Hopefully they can give > me a hand up. There is a stress center at a local hospital, so I may check > it out. Just don't want to be checked in to a hospital right now. I have > to take care of my father, and be available for my daughter and grandson. > Dave > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 8:53:26 PM > Subject: Re: (unknown) > > You know, after a while, this crazy life with a new problem every day gets > to seeming normal. So, when the next wave hits, it is easier to remain > standing. Except for this flu or cold or whatever I have had this last 10 > days, I am really taken very good care of by God. So many things in my life > can only be explained by the fact that he is in ultimate control. The > hardest part is the concern for the others in my life, sons and daughters > Ed > and my 86 year old mother and her 75 year old sister. > You are a strong person if you raised her alone and turned out well. My > children's father has had multiple heart attacks and is limited in his > activity, has little heart attacks now very frequently, so my kids have > both > parents to be concerned about too, and that bothers me. Hope they don't > lose both of us too close together. Jan H > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 7:35 PM, dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com> > wrote: > > > I don't know how she holds up...both me and her mother have ESLD, also..I > > may have told the group I raised her on my own..my greatest > accomplishment > > for sure! > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 8:22:28 PM > > Subject: Re: (unknown) > > > > > > Dave, I also know something about syrinx since my grandsons brain surgery > > was for chiari malformation like Bobby's wife. They thought at the time > > that they might have to do some work on his spine too because he had a > > partial syrinx, but they left it. Not sure if that is what is causing the > > problem for him now. Feeling for your daughter, can't be easy to have a > > problem like that in the middle of a life change and a child to take care > > of. Jan H > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 7:10 PM, dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com> > wrote: > > > > > I can handle most anything except bad things happening to my > > daughter..with > > > all the troubles in Haiti and the rest of the world, I shouldn't > > > complain.... Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> > > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 7:57:51 PM > > > Subject: Re: (unknown) > > > > > > > > > Sorry to hear it,Dave..sounds like it's coming at you in buckets! > > > > > > > > > Love,Jill > > > > > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > > > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that > take > > > our breath away. > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > From: dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com> > > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 8:37:41 PM > > > Subject: Re: (unknown) > > > > > > > > > My buddy died about a month ago, my daughter was diagnosed with fluid > on > > > her spine last week..is seeing neurologist in two weeks..my Pop is deaf > > as a > > > post, and turns volume up so loud it rattles the walls...thats with his > > > hearing aids in! I feel not so good physically or mentally..we all have > > our > > > problem's..hate to complain..seems they come in big numbers all at > once.. > > > Dave > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> > > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 7:20:46 PM > > > Subject: Re: (unknown) > > > > > > > > > Dave - how are the people that you have been taking care of? is that > what > > > the stress is? Or is my memory playing tricks on me? My cardio put me > on > > > xanax to cut down on the strain on my heart from stress, don't know how > > you > > > feel about medications like that, but has helped me a lot. Jan H > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 6:04 PM, dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Not been feeling good lately..in one of the valley's of this > > disease..may > > > > be sticking me in hospital soon..was doing good, but had a lot of > > stress > > > > happening lately. > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Oh so well said as usual, Bobby Another one that I'll have to store for future reference!! That is, if I remember it when I am self inventing bad outcomes or just the negative side of stuff. I honestly try not to do that very often, because I've never found that my worry ever made any outcome better!! Reminds me, I'd better talk to hubby about my latest worry and then we can share the walk. Gloria ________________________________ I like to think of worrying as self inventing a bad outcome. If you expect good to come, then you dont worry, only if you expect bad to come do you allow yourself to worry. Worring is letting weeds grow rampant in the garden of your mind. The good crops of peace and tranquility suffer as a consequence. To worry is to invent the negative outcome and one can just as easily invent a good one, since both are merely invented. ( easier said than done, but progress is a more realistic expectation than perfection) Love, Bobby (saadn'leelt- da ya day- n'zho) long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sun, January 31, 2010 3:07:28 PM Subject: Re: (unknown) Dave My husband shared something that he'd been told by a good friend many years ago. Worry is like sitting on a Rocking Chair. Lots of action but no movement!!! So, some days either one of us can actually live in that principal and others - NOT... Doesn't matter how many times our High Powers have shown us that he will even carry us through storms - we seem to have to start with the worrying. Now, it's just a matter of how many days we chose to be in pain from it. I have a client that is honestly a first class worrier; however, her adult children are worse. Since they always come to me about just about everything, it's difficult to try to get their focus off themselves and perhaps turned to think about other people's tragedy. I can almost bet, that since the massive earthquake, the eldest son has just about worried that to the point he'll need to go to the hospital soon. Gloria ____________ _________ _________ __ I am a chronic worrier. I worry about how much I worry. Got that from my mom...my pop has the ability to let go of things he can't control..as he says, " I just let it roll off of me " . Will hope and pray for the best, and see what the news is after she sees the neurologist. I think I will see a professional soon about my stress and depression. Hopefully they can give me a hand up. There is a stress center at a local hospital, so I may check it out. Just don't want to be checked in to a hospital right now. I have to take care of my father, and be available for my daughter and grandson. Dave ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 8:53:26 PM Subject: Re: (unknown) You know, after a while, this crazy life with a new problem every day gets to seeming normal. So, when the next wave hits, it is easier to remain standing. Except for this flu or cold or whatever I have had this last 10 days, I am really taken very good care of by God. So many things in my life can only be explained by the fact that he is in ultimate control. The hardest part is the concern for the others in my life, sons and daughters Ed and my 86 year old mother and her 75 year old sister. You are a strong person if you raised her alone and turned out well. My children's father has had multiple heart attacks and is limited in his activity, has little heart attacks now very frequently, so my kids have both parents to be concerned about too, and that bothers me. Hope they don't lose both of us too close together. Jan H On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 7:35 PM, dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com> wrote: > I don't know how she holds up...both me and her mother have ESLD, also..I > may have told the group I raised her on my own..my greatest accomplishment > for sure! > Dave > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 8:22:28 PM > Subject: Re: (unknown) > > > Dave, I also know something about syrinx since my grandsons brain surgery > was for chiari malformation like Bobby's wife. They thought at the time > that they might have to do some work on his spine too because he had a > partial syrinx, but they left it. Not sure if that is what is causing the > problem for him now. Feeling for your daughter, can't be easy to have a > problem like that in the middle of a life change and a child to take care > of. Jan H > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 7:10 PM, dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com> wrote: > > > I can handle most anything except bad things happening to my > daughter..with > > all the troubles in Haiti and the rest of the world, I shouldn't > > complain.... Dave > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 7:57:51 PM > > Subject: Re: (unknown) > > > > > > Sorry to hear it,Dave..sounds like it's coming at you in buckets! > > > > > > Love,Jill > > > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take > > our breath away. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com> > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 8:37:41 PM > > Subject: Re: (unknown) > > > > > > My buddy died about a month ago, my daughter was diagnosed with fluid on > > her spine last week..is seeing neurologist in two weeks..my Pop is deaf > as a > > post, and turns volume up so loud it rattles the walls...thats with his > > hearing aids in! I feel not so good physically or mentally..we all have > our > > problem's..hate to complain..seems they come in big numbers all at once.. > > Dave > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 7:20:46 PM > > Subject: Re: (unknown) > > > > > > Dave - how are the people that you have been taking care of? is that what > > the stress is? Or is my memory playing tricks on me? My cardio put me on > > xanax to cut down on the strain on my heart from stress, don't know how > you > > feel about medications like that, but has helped me a lot. Jan H > > > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 6:04 PM, dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com> > > wrote: > > > > > Not been feeling good lately..in one of the valley's of this > disease..may > > > be sticking me in hospital soon..was doing good, but had a lot of > stress > > > happening lately. > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Dave, I don't think we here on the forum really require a response,other than a short I'm okay! We send you notes to support you and uplift you,not to get one in return! You do the same for any of us! It's easy to be really down about life,when you have this or any chronic disease. and sometimes,you don't have the emotional energy to talk with people,especially ones who are not going through the same things you are. That doesn't mean you don't love them. I know this personally because of my sister with end stage kidnmey failure...sometimes it's just too much for her...we stay connected on Facebook.some days we just do a short IM on facebook and other days we talk for a couple hours. Your other friends(off the forum) are just going to have to learn to respect your shortcomings in the communication dept! We all feel the same way here...OKAY I'm talking for everyone here...but I'm pretty sure we all feel pretty much the same way! Someone save me here if I'm speaking out of turn!                                                                            Love,Jill  We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. ________________________________ To: livercirrhosissupport Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 4:57:09 PM Subject: (unknown)  I want to thank everyone here for helping me when I'm into my blues..I confess I don't always respond to e-mails sent to me..I will mostly read them, and mean to respond later, and get side tracked..thanks for being here for me..I go long times without writing or even reading my mail though..I know that is rude of me..I'm the same with my cell phone and people I've known for a longtime...have been that way off and on for 2 or 3 yrs. now..I don't like it, but often I just don't want to talk on the phone. Makes it difficult on my friends or to be my friend..I eventually contact them and apologize..lot of holes in me that I try to fill with square pegs, as they say.  Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Hi Jill, I'm on facebook too. Want to be my friend? Roni > Dave, I don't think we here on the forum really require a > response,other than a short I'm okay! We send you notes to support > you and uplift you,not to get one in return! You do the same for any > of us! It's easy to be really down about life,when you have this or > any chronic disease. and sometimes,you don't have the emotional > energy to talk with people,especially ones who are not going through > the same things you are. That doesn't mean you don't love them. I > know this personally because of my sister with end stage kidnmey > failure...sometimes it's just too much for her...we stay connected > on Facebook.some days we just do a short IM on facebook and other > days we talk for a couple hours. Your other friends(off the forum) > are just going to have to learn to respect your shortcomings in the > communication dept! We all feel the same way here...OKAY I'm talking > for everyone here...but I'm pretty sure we all feel pretty much the > same way! Someone save me here if > I'm speaking out of turn! > > > Love,Jill > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that > take our breath away. > > ________________________________ > > To: livercirrhosissupport > Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 4:57:09 PM > Subject: (unknown) > > > I want to thank everyone here for helping me when I'm into my > blues..I confess I don't always respond to e-mails sent to me..I > will mostly read them, and mean to respond later, and get side > tracked..thanks for being here for me..I go long times without > writing or even reading my mail though..I know that is rude of > me..I'm the same with my cell phone and people I've known for a > longtime...have been that way off and on for 2 or 3 yrs. now..I > don't like it, but often I just don't want to talk on the phone. > Makes it difficult on my friends or to be my friend..I eventually > contact them and apologize..lot of holes in me that I try to fill > with square pegs, as they say. > Dave > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Sure! Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. ________________________________ To: livercirrhosissupport Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 8:42:45 PM Subject: Re: (unknown) Hi Jill, I'm on facebook too. Want to be my friend? Roni > Dave, I don't think we here on the forum really require a > response,other than a short I'm okay! We send you notes to support > you and uplift you,not to get one in return! You do the same for any > of us! It's easy to be really down about life,when you have this or > any chronic disease. and sometimes,you don't have the emotional > energy to talk with people,especially ones who are not going through > the same things you are. That doesn't mean you don't love them. I > know this personally because of my sister with end stage kidnmey > failure...sometimes it's just too much for her...we stay connected > on Facebook.some days we just do a short IM on facebook and other > days we talk for a couple hours. Your other friends(off the forum) > are just going to have to learn to respect your shortcomings in the > communication dept! We all feel the same way here...OKAY I'm talking > for everyone here...but I'm pretty sure we all feel pretty much the > same way! Someone save me here if > I'm speaking out of turn! > > > Love,Jill > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that > take our breath away. > > ________________________________ > > To: livercirrhosissupport > Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 4:57:09 PM > Subject: (unknown) > > > I want to thank everyone here for helping me when I'm into my > blues..I confess I don't always respond to e-mails sent to me..I > will mostly read them, and mean to respond later, and get side > tracked..thanks for being here for me..I go long times without > writing or even reading my mail though..I know that is rude of > me..I'm the same with my cell phone and people I've known for a > longtime...have been that way off and on for 2 or 3 yrs. now..I > don't like it, but often I just don't want to talk on the phone. > Makes it difficult on my friends or to be my friend..I eventually > contact them and apologize..lot of holes in me that I try to fill > with square pegs, as they say. > Dave > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Roni...look me up on FB..I'm listed as Jill Stinson and my profile pic is a full face photo of me. I have reddish hair.                                                                            Love,Jill  We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. ________________________________ To: livercirrhosissupport Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 8:44:22 AM Subject: Re: (unknown)  Sure!                                                                            Love,Jill  We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Rhonda <ronimahaffey49@ att.net> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 8:42:45 PM Subject: Re: (unknown) Hi Jill, I'm on facebook too. Want to be my friend? Roni > Dave, I don't think we here on the forum really require a > response,other than a short I'm okay! We send you notes to support > you and uplift you,not to get one in return! You do the same for any > of us! It's easy to be really down about life,when you have this or > any chronic disease. and sometimes,you don't have the emotional > energy to talk with people,especially ones who are not going through > the same things you are. That doesn't mean you don't love them. I > know this personally because of my sister with end stage kidnmey > failure...sometimes it's just too much for her...we stay connected > on Facebook.some days we just do a short IM on facebook and other > days we talk for a couple hours. Your other friends(off the forum) > are just going to have to learn to respect your shortcomings in the > communication dept! We all feel the same way here...OKAY I'm talking > for everyone here...but I'm pretty sure we all feel pretty much the > same way! Someone save me here if > I'm speaking out of turn! > > >                  Love,Jill > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that > take our breath away. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: dave dodds <daveliltoeyahoo (DOT) com> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 4:57:09 PM > Subject: (unknown) > > > I want to thank everyone here for helping me when I'm into my > blues..I confess I don't always respond to e-mails sent to me..I > will mostly read them, and mean to respond later, and get side > tracked..thanks for being here for me..I go long times without > writing or even reading my mail though..I know that is rude of > me..I'm the same with my cell phone and people I've known for a > longtime...have been that way off and on for 2 or 3 yrs. now..I > don't like it, but often I just don't want to talk on the phone. > Makes it difficult on my friends or to be my friend..I eventually > contact them and apologize..lot of holes in me that I try to fill > with square pegs, as they say. > Dave > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Some days.....I just don't want to talk to anyone. I completely understand where you are coming from Dave. Roni > Dave, I don't think we here on the forum really require a > response,other than a short I'm okay! We send you notes to support > you and uplift you,not to get one in return! You do the same for any > of us! It's easy to be really down about life,when you have this or > any chronic disease. and sometimes,you don't have the emotional > energy to talk with people,especially ones who are not going through > the same things you are. That doesn't mean you don't love them. I > know this personally because of my sister with end stage kidnmey > failure...sometimes it's just too much for her...we stay connected > on Facebook.some days we just do a short IM on facebook and other > days we talk for a couple hours. Your other friends(off the forum) > are just going to have to learn to respect your shortcomings in the > communication dept! We all feel the same way here...OKAY I'm talking > for everyone here...but I'm pretty sure we all feel pretty much the > same way! Someone save me here if > I'm speaking out of turn! > > > Love,Jill > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that > take our breath away. > > ________________________________ > > To: livercirrhosissupport > Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 4:57:09 PM > Subject: (unknown) > > > I want to thank everyone here for helping me when I'm into my > blues..I confess I don't always respond to e-mails sent to me..I > will mostly read them, and mean to respond later, and get side > tracked..thanks for being here for me..I go long times without > writing or even reading my mail though..I know that is rude of > me..I'm the same with my cell phone and people I've known for a > longtime...have been that way off and on for 2 or 3 yrs. now..I > don't like it, but often I just don't want to talk on the phone. > Makes it difficult on my friends or to be my friend..I eventually > contact them and apologize..lot of holes in me that I try to fill > with square pegs, as they say. > Dave > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Jill I sent a request. I'm Roni. > Roni...look me up on FB..I'm listed as Jill Stinson and my > profile pic is a full face photo of me. I have reddish hair. > > > Love,Jill > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that > take our breath away. > > ________________________________ > > To: livercirrhosissupport > Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 8:44:22 AM > Subject: Re: (unknown) > > > Sure! > > > Love,Jill > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that > take our breath away. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Rhonda <ronimahaffey49@ att.net> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 8:42:45 PM > Subject: Re: (unknown) > > Hi Jill, > > I'm on facebook too. Want to be my friend? > > Roni > > > > > Dave, I don't think we here on the forum really require a > > response,other than a short I'm okay! We send you notes to support > > you and uplift you,not to get one in return! You do the same for any > > of us! It's easy to be really down about life,when you have this or > > any chronic disease. and sometimes,you don't have the emotional > > energy to talk with people,especially ones who are not going through > > the same things you are. That doesn't mean you don't love them. I > > know this personally because of my sister with end stage kidnmey > > failure...sometimes it's just too much for her...we stay connected > > on Facebook.some days we just do a short IM on facebook and other > > days we talk for a couple hours. Your other friends(off the forum) > > are just going to have to learn to respect your shortcomings in the > > communication dept! We all feel the same way here...OKAY I'm talking > > for everyone here...but I'm pretty sure we all feel pretty much the > > same way! Someone save me here if > > I'm speaking out of turn! > > > > > > Love,Jill > > > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that > > take our breath away. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: dave dodds <daveliltoeyahoo (DOT) com> > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 4:57:09 PM > > Subject: (unknown) > > > > > > I want to thank everyone here for helping me when I'm into my > > blues..I confess I don't always respond to e-mails sent to me..I > > will mostly read them, and mean to respond later, and get side > > tracked..thanks for being here for me..I go long times without > > writing or even reading my mail though..I know that is rude of > > me..I'm the same with my cell phone and people I've known for a > > longtime...have been that way off and on for 2 or 3 yrs. now..I > > don't like it, but often I just don't want to talk on the phone. > > Makes it difficult on my friends or to be my friend..I eventually > > contact them and apologize..lot of holes in me that I try to fill > > with square pegs, as they say. > > Dave > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 I take Ambiem and have for the last couple of years (after diagnosis). I would not be able to sleep without it but then only sleep for a few hours as the liver does not function so the ambiem works differently than if the liver was functioning. I don't know about anyone else in the group. Thanks for this day and for our tomorrows  Love, Lyncia   Subject: (unknown) To: livercirrhosissupport Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:16 PM  I hope everyone in the group is doing good. I've been helping my daughter move from her split up all last week, and just got back...am totally exhausted, but have not been sleeping more than 4 or 5 hrs. a night now for a few weeks. I know when I lay down to go to sleep I should either stay up late to go to sleep, so I don't wake-up so early, or go to bed early and wake up at 4 A. M...I use to sleep to much, now just the opposite. Do you guys experience this? My Dr. had put me on ambien, and I've been reading on line about it..it is kind of scary! Do any of you take a sleep aid, or Ambien?   Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I took ambien, and it will help put me to sleep, but it didn't work all night, if I woke up to go to the bathroom it was as if I didn't take anything. I take xanax now, and read after I go to bed, sleep with a light on so I don't wake myself up shutting it off. Jan H > I hope everyone in the group is doing good. I've been helping my daughter > move from her split up all last week, and just got back...am totally > exhausted, but have not been sleeping more than 4 or 5 hrs. a night now for > a few weeks. I know when I lay down to go to sleep I should either stay up > late to go to sleep, so I don't wake-up so early, or go to bed early and > wake up at 4 A. M...I use to sleep to much, now just the opposite. Do you > guys experience this? My Dr. had put me on ambien, and I've been reading on > line about it..it is kind of scary! Do any of you take a sleep aid, or > Ambien? > Dave > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Welcome . You have come to the right place for learning. Cheryl Burton ncicheryl@... To: asthma Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 8:20:47 PMSubject: (unknown) Im a new member of this group and this is my first posting....i would like more information on..... What are the signs and symptoms of asthma? Thank You. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Hi . Welcome. Boy is that a loaded question. The symptoms are very different for different people. Some people will have allergy like symptoms and/or a headache first, others will not have many "lead up" symptoms at all. Personally I will tend to just feel off for a day or so, then my lungs will feel a bit itchy, then my breath will get short (shallow fast breaths), at that point my peak flows are dropping and I start medications, finally I will start coughing. I rarely wheeze although that is quite common for some. Of course sometimes an attack just comes on suddenly depending on one's sensitivity to the trigger. This is a good article from Web MD that list several common symptoms. http://www.webmd.com/asthma/guide/asthma-symptoms Madeline http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lungs_on_Vacation/ To: asthma Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 8:20:47 PMSubject: (unknown) Im a new member of this group and this is my first posting....i would like more information on..... What are the signs and symptoms of asthma? Thank You. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 One of my favorite places to go is this website below. The information is trustworthy here and you can learn quite a bit. http://www.webmd.com/asthma/default.htm In general though, coughing(especially at night), wheezing, shortness of breath and tightness of the chest are the most common symptoms. Everyone is a bit different though...so you may have one symptom or all of them. I rarely wheeze, but some people whistle like a tea pot. Symptoms can come on suddenly or gradually over a matter of hours. This is off the webmd website regarding asthma symptoms... I did add in the part about everyone with asthma doing peak flows, b/c for me, it is the one thing that tells me for sure if I have a cold or if its my asthma. Signs of an impending asthma attack may include: a frequent cough, losing your breath easily or shortness of breath, feeling very tired or weak when exercising, wheezing or cough after exercise, feeling tired, easily upset, grouchy or moody, changes in your peak flows (every asthmatic person should do peak flows...it is one of the earliest indicators of an impending asthma attack in most cases), signs of a common cold (runny nose, sore throat, nasal congestion, sneezing, headache), and trouble sleeping. Some unusual symptoms a person might experience include the following... a dry hacking cough, shortness of breath in the morning, sighing, rapid breathing, difficulty sleeping, anxiety, difficulty concentrating, chronic cough without wheezing (cough variant asthma) You could have any of these symptoms in any number of combinations or just one persistent one alone. For me, my primary symptom is the chronic cough & shortness of breath. When Im about to flare, I almost always start with an increase in post nasal drip and cold like symptoms, with the sighing thing. My peak flows drop about the same time the post nasal drip starts up. I also cannot breath through my nose at all and I do end up sleeping more than usual or feeling more fatigued than usual. Ive started keeping a running log of my symptoms and peak flow bc since June, about every 6-8 weeks Ive had the bottom fall out and ended up on prednisone. It does help to see if there are any patterns that develop as to when you have an asthma attack and what is going on and it helps to figure out what your triggers may be. Learning how to avoid your triggers, or control you exposure to them is a key aspect in controlling asthma. This past 9 months has kind of thrown me for a loop because I have never had this much trouble before in all the time Ive been diagnosed with asthma. Good luck to you and feel free to ask away....and also to share your own experiences. If you wonder if you're the only one experiencing something, dont be afraid to put it out here and ask...chances are that someone has experienced it...but its nice to know you arent alone! Ann Im a new member of this group and this is my first posting....i would like more information on..... What are the signs and symptoms of asthma? Thank You. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 1) You'll need to talk with attorney, AND accountant. 2) Docs' assetts are mainly under "attack" due to malpractice issues, slip and falls, as I a nonattorney believe. Different states have different rules; I ended up as an LLC in my state due to tax considerations, but my atty and accountant hashed this out. Mainly a tax issue. M in Western PA (unknown) I know it is different in different states, but generally, of the legal entities called corporations-whether it be a c, s, professional, etc, do they all have to have anyone but the owner (me) involved? I do not want anyone else to tell me what I MUST do. Also, no partners, no shareholders, etc. AND no double taxation as in a c-corp.Along these lines, can one incorporate in another state? I know big corporations all went to Delaware. Are there any states any of you know about where I could incorporate an s-corp with just myself involved that would be located in PA? I am looking for a way to be like a sole propietor but still have personal asset protection and still be the only one in control. I do not want to have to debate how to run my business. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 I went to see Dr Zobairi on Monday. She listened to what I had to say about how good I am feeling since beginning Armour. She agreed to let me try it for a little bit longer but wants to re-test my levels again in a couple of weeks. She said that her concern was really my Free t4. She said she’d like to give me something to boost that but she can’t do it with Armour since my free t-3 was already as high as it is and more Armour would only make it higher. I asked her what she had in mind and she said the only thing she could offer would be some combination of synthetic medicines. I can’t say that I’m thrilled about that idea but I agreed to try what she wants me to if my t-3 is still over the range. Up until last December I’d been on synthroid alone for years and thought my brain fog was due to other medicines I take. I’m kind of willing to try a synthetic combination if my numbers are out of range and my t-4 is still relatively low. I still have trust in Dr Zobairi because she’s trying to work with me instead of just telling me how it was gonna be. I’ve only seen her twice but her office was very responsive in getting back with me about my blood work, the wait to see her was less than 15 minutes from the time I got to the waiting room until she came in and she’s very kind and thoughtful. I have a good feeling about working with her. From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of ALEENA worfe Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:43 PM To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: (unknown) Thanks so much. I will await your message. I hope she doesn't change anything if you're feeling good. I'm in the same situation basically but with different medication. I can't wait to hear what she says. And thanks so much for the lab ranges. I did not have that information. I’m seeing a new doctor named Sumaiya Zobairi, located in Sugar Land. She’s very nice and listens to you, spending an adequate time during your visit. She believes in treating with Armour, which is my medication of choice. I currently take 90mg twice a day and when my recent blood work came back, some of the results weren’t in range. I feel better than I have in years at this dose and am reluctant to change anything, although she has me coming in on Monday to discuss the results. Here’s what’s concerning her: TSH 0.031 The range per the lab they used is 0.360 – 3.740 uIU/ml T3 Free 4.60 The range per the lab they used is 2.18 – 3.98 pg/ml T4 Free 1.00 The range per the lab they used is 0.76-1.46 ng/dl Obviously she’s not worried about the T4, her nurse mentioned the T3 and TSH results when she called to have me come back in. Other testing outfits have different ranges of what constitutes normal free T3 levels: National Academy for Clinical Biochemistry 2.0 – 5.0 pg/ml Diagnostic Automation 1.4 – 4.2 pg/ml Family Practice Notebook 2.3 – 6.19 pg/ml Quest Diagnostics 2.3 – 4.2 pg/ml I’m in range or close to being in range in all of the other testing companies. I’ll find out Monday if she treats symptoms or lab results and get back to you. From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of Aleena W Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 8:38 AM To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: (unknown) I'm not quite sure how this works yet. I may have posted this question already, but does anyone know of a really good doc. that will treat symptoms as opposed to relying solely on lab results located in Houston TX? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 When you take thyroid meds, it usually suppresses your own production rather than add to it, especially when you get to a full replacement dose. I was told that there are actually age-based ranges for T3 and that most labs use the one for 70 year olds. >> I went to see Dr Zobairi on Monday. She listened to what I had to say about> how good I am feeling since beginning Armour. She agreed to let me try it> for a little bit longer but wants to re-test my levels again in a couple of> weeks.> > > > She said that her concern was really my Free t4. She said she'd like to> give me something to boost that but she can't do it with Armour since my> free t-3 was already as high as it is and more Armour would only make it> higher. I asked her what she had in mind and she said the only thing she> could offer would be some combination of synthetic medicines. I can't say> that I'm thrilled about that idea but I agreed to try what she wants me to> if my t-3 is still over the range. Up until last December I'd been on> synthroid alone for years and thought my brain fog was due to other> medicines I take. I'm kind of willing to try a synthetic combination if my> numbers are out of range and my t-4 is still relatively low.> > > > I still have trust in Dr Zobairi because she's trying to work with me> instead of just telling me how it was gonna be. I've only seen her twice> but her office was very responsive in getting back with me about my blood> work, the wait to see her was less than 15 minutes from the time I got to> the waiting room until she came in and she's very kind and thoughtful. I> have a good feeling about working with her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 You wrote: most labs use the one for 70 year olds. Because thyroid function is thought to decrease as we age, does this mean they use a lower reference range than might be considered " normal " for someone younger than 70? Because that would explain a lot. > > > > I went to see Dr Zobairi on Monday. She listened to what I had to say > about > > how good I am feeling since beginning Armour. She agreed to let me try > it > > for a little bit longer but wants to re-test my levels again in a > couple of > > weeks. > > > > > > > > She said that her concern was really my Free t4. She said she'd like > to > > give me something to boost that but she can't do it with Armour since > my > > free t-3 was already as high as it is and more Armour would only make > it > > higher. I asked her what she had in mind and she said the only thing > she > > could offer would be some combination of synthetic medicines. I can't > say > > that I'm thrilled about that idea but I agreed to try what she wants > me to > > if my t-3 is still over the range. Up until last December I'd been on > > synthroid alone for years and thought my brain fog was due to other > > medicines I take. I'm kind of willing to try a synthetic combination > if my > > numbers are out of range and my t-4 is still relatively low. > > > > > > > > I still have trust in Dr Zobairi because she's trying to work with me > > instead of just telling me how it was gonna be. I've only seen her > twice > > but her office was very responsive in getting back with me about my > blood > > work, the wait to see her was less than 15 minutes from the time I got > to > > the waiting room until she came in and she's very kind and thoughtful. > I > > have a good feeling about working with her. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 The amount of T3 you need is very, very individual. For a long time, I was taking a T4/T3 combo that had a ratio similar to Armour. However, I recently needed to increase my T3. I don't recall what you were on before the doctor took you off all your meds. If you were on Armour or any T4/T3 product and are now only on T4, that could certainly be a problem for you. We don't recommend that you muck with your dosage unless you're working with a doctor that is okay with that. If you have old old Rxes, then going back to what you were on before isn't unreasonable. It is hard to wait for an appt. when you just aren't feeling. You might try calling once a week to see if anyone has canceled and let them know that you can come at the last minute - that works with some doctors. One thing you can do while waiting is to make sure to get all your past test results organized, as well as an accurate record of symptoms and past treatments. This will also give you time to get lab results from doctors in cases where you never got copies. This information can really help expedite your treatment as you may not have to wait to start treatment as the doctor may not need to wait for new labs. If you don't have recent labs, most doctors will not change any of your existing Rxes. B. , Do you think taking cytomel and armour combined is too much t3? Or should I stick with levo and and cytomel combination. The dr I'm seeing right now took me off all meds and then start low dose of levo .75 not armour as I thought. I am trying to self diagnose until I see Dr. S in Sept. I was feeling a bit better but last nght I was having dizzines and heart flutters again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 can u provide more information on this Sent from my iPhonedon't miss it!!!!<image003.jpg> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 1) Try to find out why he disrupts a) Is it because he wants to know more take attention c) Any other reason2) You hadn't mentioned how does he interrupts in what way and what he talks and says about so could be inferred the reason behind it.Please clear what he says and talks to interrupt the teacher while teacher is teachingPlease clear what he says when asked why he does thatWhat ever he is doing there must be a sure reason behind it other then (he is not behaving proper in class is an event. We need to find reason why and his outlook behind the behavior first) so solution could be found out relating to itregards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Chiming in again. We attended a very expensive private school program in Austin (that has now folded) that strictly used the principles of ABA. We also did 30hours plus a week of ABA done by a BCBA and it never got my child up to grade level. He has moderate Autism. The program that worked was a combination of ABA which worked very well for behaviors and RPM which is taught at the HALO clinic. We use this methodology in school and my son has offers coming in asking him to consider them for colleges such as Boston University and SMU. Haven can tell you all about homeschooling using this approach as well. ABA does not work for every child regardless of what school you go to or how many hours you do, I thought you should know there are options. I'm also not saying that every child will be able to attend college, but I may have missed his chance had I not included RPM when I did. My regret is that I didn't find out about RPM and HALO sooner. We did'nt start with RPM until my son was 12. Trina I agree. Spectrum of Hope, an ABA program for preschoolers to teenagers, has done wonders for my child in both behavior management and academic development. Is in Cypress, Texas, just NW of Houston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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