Re: Re: Toxin Detection and Neutralization - Group Suggestions

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Bratislav,

You say " There is one nifty free patent online "

The patent is a public document, and as such, any and all patents can be

obtained from the PTO because they are a matter of public record. However,

they are not " free " as a patent is a enforceable " right " to be the only one

to market a particular technology for a period of 17 years. Or more.

On 12/14/06, Branislav <arealis@...> wrote:

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> 1) First, there is one nifty free patent regarding the use of H2O2 as

> disinfectant and for mycotoxin decompositon:

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> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6500465.html

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> Scroll down towards the end of the text... it says that mycotoxins

> produced by Stachybotrys chartarum were decomposed with H2O2, and that

> after the treatment their concentration was below 0,1 ppm.

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What is 0,1 ppm ? If you look at the potency of trichothecene mycotoxins,

you'll realize that 0.1 ppm is NOT SUCH A LOW CONCENTRATION at all. In fact,

its a concentration not unusual to encounter in indoor mold situations.

I HAVE been and I would NOT want to be AGAIN in a situation in which there

was 0.1 parts per million of trichothecenes..

NO THANK YOU...

> 2) There's a product called " Structural Decon " . Here are the FAQs for

> this product:

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> http://www.iaqm.com/faq.html

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> " Structural Decon has demonstrated that it can rapidly neutralize

> chemical and biological agents including trichothecene mycotoxins. "

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You know, Bratislav, People here have lots of real world experience with

mold but they are not scientists. So they are unlikely to call you on this.

(After all, you use so many big words.)

Neither am I. I am not saying that some of these formulas may work to do

some things in some situations. BUT.

That is NOT the way they are marketed and none of them are new and none of

them have not been tried a million times before.

I have asked scientists about every one of the chemicals you mentioned.

Scientists who told me that very often, these biocides are NOT the panaceas

they claim to be. That they often damage people's lungs. That they can even

serve as media for mold growth!

I have had this discussion with real scientists on this issue at least ten

or fifteen times.

The consensus that I hear again and again is that they are just another tool

and not the Holy Grail.

Again and again I've heard that they don't penetrate wood. Mold grows into

wood. I also have again and again heard from pros that they frequently cause

far more problems than they solve. For example, many of them are dangerous.

They are also often expensive. That money would be far better spent on elbow

grease - time spent getting into wall cavities and removing mold.. (Thats

the thing they want to avoid, because its labor intensive)

They also divert people's attention from the fact that the ROOT CAUSE OF THE

MOLD NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED FIRST.

Sure, they have their scripted answers. To someone who would say that they

could be toxic to lungs, eyes, etc. or could liberate mycotoxins without

detoxifying them..the manufacturers would respond " 'Only if used in

unapproved ways " but honestly, they are FREQUENTLY used in unapproved ways.

And THEY COMMONLY DON'T REMOVE MOLD.

Bratislav, you should have read all of this by now.. Don't fall for the

oldest scam in the mold field...

Open your eyes. Guerilla marketing of biocides is big money, so I would not

even be surprised if people came on here undercover to try to exploit the

community here for profit. Paid people. Profesional Internet marketers.

You might want to hop over to the iequality list and see what the

professional mold

remediators there think about these various biocide SHORTCUTS, BTW.

One guy over there is a big advocate of these 'encapsulation' methods..

various foams and sprays that claim to 'kill mold' and now, I'm sure, seeing

that people are beginning to realize that they do nothing to address

mycotoxins they are trying to figure out a way to get some important -

sounding people to say they do.. That is nothing new. That is how they

operate.

So, this guy pitched his magic foam and the other pros brought up so many

different reasons that this foam encapsulation was a bad idea - Good

reasons.

Their (biocides) record is not good. Especially in situations where they are

being used to try to address long term mold infestations.

And unless something has changed, from what smart (REALLY smart) people have

told me, the US EPA does NOT 'endorse' their use. Despite what they (the

manufacturers) would have you believe.

There are other people on here far more knowledgeable than me who need to

weigh in on this subject.. I have not really done it justice..

This is just my opinion.. I am NOT a pro of any kind.. But this is what I

have heard from pros.. repeatedly..