Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 Basically oyu are very hypo still and oyu need HC. The HPA axis is Hyppothalamus Pituitary axis which means how they work together to regulate your levels. The discrepancies are form low cortiosl. This state will aloow the thyroid to build in the blood and not get ito the cells to work, thus higher blood levels than what is in the saliva which must be in tissues to be in the saliva. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 Hi Val! Thank you for your response. This is the part I have never been able to follow no matter how many posts I read. Why HC for some but isocort for others? Also, why would my T4 and T3 levels be within the normal range (albeit T3 borderline low) and TSH still very high (refering to the saliva test here). If the thyroid (assuming you mean T4 and T3?) is building in the blood but not in the cell, why would the values be higher in the saliva test. I am more confused. (looking rater spaced out at the moment). Thanks, Carol F > > Basically oyu are very hypo still and oyu need HC. The HPA axis is > Hyppothalamus Pituitary axis which means how they work together to > regulate your levels. The discrepancies are form low cortiosl. This > state will aloow the thyroid to build in the blood and not get ito the > cells to work, thus higher blood levels than what is in the saliva which > must be in tissues to be in the saliva. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 If you break BOTH into percentages, the thyroid in the saliva I think will be lower. You just have different ranges to figure in it. And why Isocort for some & HC for others? Isocort contains minute amounts of cortisol in it. Many people it is not enough to cover their adrenal deficit. Then HC should be tried and even that for some will not be enough. Then they need to try Prednisolone and then there are even stronger steroids that can be used for those that are close to 's. It all depends on the amount of weakness in the person's adrenals. -- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 Carol, memorize this and it will help immensely: TSH is not a thyroid hormone. It is a pituitary hormone. Its only use is in detrmining whether hypo originates at the pituitary or at the thyroid, BEFORE taking any thyroid medication. After that, it is best totally ignored. Other than that, explained it, I think. Does this make things clearer? Deborah homeschoolmomtosarahandbethany wrote: > Hi Val! Thank you for your response. > > This is the part I have never been able to follow no matter how many > posts I read. Why HC for some but isocort for others? > > Also, why would my T4 and T3 levels be within the normal range (albeit > T3 borderline low) and TSH still very high (refering to the saliva > test here). If the thyroid (assuming you mean T4 and T3?) is building > in the blood but not in the cell, why would the values be higher in > the saliva test. I am more confused. (looking rater spaced out at > the moment). > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 Oh thank you so explaining that to me, that has been quite the mystery reading all these months. So mine are bad enough that you would recommend using HC, correct. And that will correct my thyroid issue, or at least should? OK, how / where do I get hydocortisone? It seems like most people use a cream? Is this the HC used for bug bites? Regarding the T3/T4 normal, I am afraid I still do not get it, how cna it be within normal range but still have an extraordinarily high TSH. I am sorry, I am not trying to be arguementative ad I certainly appreciate your help, I just do not get it, :<( Carol F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 Deborah- I do understand that TSH is from the pituitary but it does have a relationship to T3 and T4 levels. i am not saying that this should be the sole criterea for diagnosising thyroid disease, but to totally ignore it does not make sense to me. This is the first I have heard to completely ignore it, on this board or in any books. I understand that T3 and T4 can be off with the TSH looking good, but not for the T3 and T4 to be fine with TSH way out of wack. So no, i am afraid it is not clearer. Thanks for your reply anyway. Carol F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 HC is a tablet. If you can't get it from your doc, will tell you where you can order it. Regarding the thyroid ranges-- " in normal range " and " healthy " are NOT the same at all. You happen to have a pituitary that says, loud and clear, that you need MORE. For optimal health, we look for results in the top third of the ranges for fT3 & fT4--or even above the range for the fT3. To establish a " normal range, " they test a group of people and decide that the top 5% and the bottom 5% are abnormal, and everyone in between is " normal. " Now, they had hypo people in that group, so it's skewed low, assuming that hypo is " normal. " But it's not. Does that help? Deborah Carol Frisk wrote: > Oh thank you so explaining that to me, that has been quite the mystery > reading all these months. So mine are bad enough that you would > recommend using HC, correct. And that will correct my thyroid issue, > or at least should? OK, how / where do I get hydocortisone? It seems > like most people use a cream? Is this the HC used for bug bites? > > Regarding the T3/T4 normal, I am afraid I still do not get it, how cna > it be within normal range but still have an extraordinarily high TSH. > I am sorry, I am not trying to be arguementative ad I certainly > appreciate your help, I just do not get it, :<( > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 Taking oral thyroid hormones suppresses TSH. It suppresses it beyond what it should normally be for the level of thyroid hormones in your tissues, because we take a relatively large amount at one time, compared to what our bodies would be doing if they could. That tells the pituitary " enough already!!! " and it doesn't have time to recover before the next dose. You're lucky that your TSH is high. At least docs will take your symptoms seriously, while they usually don't for people whose pituitary isn't working well. Some people are nearly dead, they're so hypo, with TSH of 0.20 and the doc says " it's not your thyroid. " Regardless, the free's are FAR more accurate a measure than the TSH. Deborah homeschoolmomtosarahandbethany wrote: > Deborah- > > I do understand that TSH is from the pituitary but it does have a > relationship to T3 and T4 levels. i am not saying that this should be > the sole criterea for diagnosising thyroid disease, but to totally > ignore it does not make sense to me. This is the first I have heard > to completely ignore it, on this board or in any books. I understand > that T3 and T4 can be off with the TSH looking good, but not for the > T3 and T4 to be fine with TSH way out of wack. So no, i am afraid it > is not clearer. Thanks for your reply anyway. > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 Yes I understand fully that the normal ranges are not healthy ranges, but with an extremely elevated TSH of 400 plus I would expect that T3 and T4 would at least be very very very very low, not mid range or even borderline low. Gosh, do Drs usually rx it, or will I have to go to a non main stream Dr? My Dr did Rx armour, but I am wondering if she would Rx HC? If you were me, how would you approach her? Would you show her your results from Canary Club? Thanks for your help Carol F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 Well, my blood TSH is .2, and I have not yet shown my saliva test to my Dr. It was the saliva test where the TSH was over 400. As of right now, they want me on my current dose, and I have been OK with that since for a while I had gotten the shakes and wanted to test adrenals first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 With the same free's and the same level of symptoms, one person can have a TSH of 500 and another will have a TSH of 0.5 so basically, it is totally worthless for diagnosing or treating thyroid problems. It is useful only for helping to determine the origin of the problem. If your doc prescribed Armour, she may be willing to prescribe HC. I'd bring the saliva test results along, and be prepared to explain adrenal fatigue & the interrelationship of adrenals & thyroid. Deborah homeschoolmomtosarahandbethany wrote: > Yes I understand fully that the normal ranges are not healthy ranges, > but with an extremely elevated TSH of 400 plus I would expect that T3 > and T4 would at least be very very very very low, not mid range or > even borderline low. > > Gosh, do Drs usually rx it, or will I have to go to a non main stream > Dr? My Dr did Rx armour, but I am wondering if she would Rx HC? If > you were me, how would you approach her? Would you show her your > results from Canary Club? > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 >> If you were me, how would you approach her? Would you show her your results from Canary Club?<< That is exactly what I would do. -- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 Well, there is always the possibility of lab error--either one. Or, it might be that for some reason you have more TSH in your tissues. I dunno. Deborah homeschoolmomtosarahandbethany wrote: > Well, my blood TSH is .2, and I have not yet shown my saliva test to > my Dr. It was the saliva test where the TSH was over 400. As of > right now, they want me on my current dose, and I have been OK with > that since for a while I had gotten the shakes and wanted to test > adrenals first. > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 Ugh, that means trying to educate myself on the world of adrenals which has been very daunting and perpleximg to me, ad I barely have enough energy to function. I know you are right, I have to do it, I am just so tired and exhausted. *sigh* thanks for your help and time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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