Re: dead sea-the perfect life?

[Guest guest]

--- In , " carondeen " <kdeanstudios@...>

wrote:

>

> Did anyone see the PBS special on the dead sea? now this seems like

> someplace I could live-lay out in the sun all day and not get skin

> cancer-slab yourself with mineral rich mud-float in brine-no allergens

> anywhere and the air is dense with O2. Hey, Branislav-not such a long

> trip from Yugoslavia. I promise to build a safe house there when I win

> the lottery-now if we could just fix that pesky middle-east problem.

> Wishing a safe holidays for everyone

>

>

LOL! Not a bad idea . Actually it would be great if there was

still some place on Earth that's not contaminated with toxic mold.

Some faraway isolated land perhaps? We might establish a colony for

moldies there hehe.

I was just thinking today how in 1980s (and before) I led a completely

normal life - no mold anywhere on anything or anyone in my whole town

and country. I could go to any library, any friend, any place in the

town or in the coutry, pick up any object... and nothing would or

could make me sick.

That all seems like a dream now. Living a carefree and moldfree life.

Almost unreal these days. Nowadays when I'm not contaminated I

ocassionaly go and check out some of the objects from 80s and 70s and

they are still clean. But, most objects I acquired after 1980s are

likely to carry some level of contamination. So it's true - this

nightmare with mold is unfortunately real, I'm not imagining it, and

it started sometime in 1990s. I was " normal " before and, in fact, I am

" normal " now as well, it's just that now in my surroundings there are

these toxins that didn't exist before at all. I haven't changed, my

surroundings have. The only odd thing is that, it seems, I'm the only

one who can sense this drastic change for worse.

I would give everything to go back to the normal life of 1980s and 1970s.

-Branislav

[Guest guest]

, did show say why it is dense with O2 there, or what the

circumstances are that make it so different, sea water so salty, etc?

Is there no sea life in the Dead Sea? I guess that is why it is

called Dead.

--- In , " carondeen " <kdeanstudios@...>

wrote:

>

> Did anyone see the PBS special on the dead sea? now this seems like

> someplace I could live-lay out in the sun all day and not get skin

> cancer-slab yourself with mineral rich mud-float in brine-no

allergens

>

[Guest guest]

If you check out a post I put on in July you will see that fungi CAN

grow in the Dead Sea. Message #:40352

KC

> >

> > Did anyone see the PBS special on the dead sea? now this seems

like

> > someplace I could live-lay out in the sun all day and not get skin

> > cancer-slab yourself with mineral rich mud-float in brine-no

> allergens

> >

>

[Guest guest]

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> I don't think that the basic factors influencing mold growth have

changed.

>

> If a building is maintained well and designed well, mold doesn't

become a

> problem. That was the case in the 80s, and its the case now.

Physical laws

> have not changed.

>

As I said many times before, buildings in my country are not infested

with mold. It's when the Summer holidays start and people begin

travelling to other countries that I feel the toxins on their clothes,

belongings etc.

But, I also think that something HAS changed when compared to 80s. For

instance, climate has changed pretty drastically. It might have caused

some mutations in some molds and turned them into bigger toxin

producers than they would have been.

[Guest guest]

I too was never sick untill 1991-wish I could go backwards and change

my life-I do believe toxins can and do change ,getting stronger-they

adapt to their environment just like everything else-it is an arms

race-we battle the bugs and they grow stronger and battle back-just

like bacteria-now we have superbugs and the end of usefull

antibiotics-why not super mycotoxins? we have been battling them with

everything we can think of-they battle back

> >

> > I don't think that the basic factors influencing mold growth have

> changed.

> >

> > If a building is maintained well and designed well, mold doesn't

> become a

> > problem. That was the case in the 80s, and its the case now.

> Physical laws

> > have not changed.

> >

>

> As I said many times before, buildings in my country are not

infested

> with mold. It's when the Summer holidays start and people begin

> travelling to other countries that I feel the toxins on their

clothes,

> belongings etc.

>

> But, I also think that something HAS changed when compared to 80s.

For

> instance, climate has changed pretty drastically. It might have

caused

> some mutations in some molds and turned them into bigger toxin

> producers than they would have been.

>

[Guest guest]

Saying that toxins adapt is like saying they are 'alive'. My image

of toxins is that they are not alive so adaptation would be not

possible. However the mold that gives off toxins could be adapting

and putting off new toxins that are stronger. I could agree with

that concept. It seems as if you are taking toxins as if they grow

and develope and mutate all on their own, rather than being a

byproduct of mold, so I don't get that.

--- In , " carondeen " <kdeanstudios@...>

wrote:

>

> I too was never sick untill 1991-wish I could go backwards and

change

> my life-I do believe toxins can and do change ,getting stronger-

they

> adapt to their environment just like everything else-it is an arms

> race-we battle the bugs and they grow stronger and battle back-

just

> like bacteria-now we have superbugs and the end of usefull

> antibiotics-why not super mycotoxins? we have been battling them

with

> everything we can think of-they battle back

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Saying that toxins adapt is like saying they are 'alive'. My image

> of toxins is that they are not alive so adaptation would be not

> possible. However the mold that gives off toxins could be adapting

> and putting off new toxins that are stronger. I could agree with

> that concept. It seems as if you are taking toxins as if they grow

> and develope and mutate all on their own, rather than being a

> byproduct of mold, so I don't get that.

>

I'm sure wanted to say that molds that produce mycotoxins could

be adapting, not the mycotoxins themselves.

[Guest guest]

--- In , " carondeen " <kdeanstudios@...>

wrote:

>

> I too was never sick untill 1991-wish I could go backwards and change

> my life-I do believe toxins can and do change ,getting stronger-they

> adapt to their environment just like everything else-it is an arms

> race-we battle the bugs and they grow stronger and battle back-just

> like bacteria-now we have superbugs and the end of usefull

> antibiotics-why not super mycotoxins? we have been battling them with

> everything we can think of-they battle back

>

Interesting. My first problems also started in 1991 but they were

quite mild when compared to this. Before 1991 nothing, zero, zilch,

nada. I also wish I could go backwards in time and change my life...

Btw. I have long speculated that the first Gulf War in 1991 might have

had some impact on my mold illness... and today I found this article

on the Rand Corporation site:

http://www.rand.org/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1018.5/MR1018.5.chap4.html

there are details about the role that trichothecenes perhaps played as

the cause (or one of the causes) of the Gulf War syndrome. It seems

that Iraqis have experimented with combining trichothecenes and

aflatoxins, but nobody knows why. Lots of info about trichothecenes on

that site, it's worth checking out.

If large quantities of these horrible toxins were released, especially

if they were modified in some way, it's quite possible that this has

caused some quite nasty consequences on the equilibrium and

" behaviour " of the " usual " molds in a much wider area than anyone

suspects.

[Guest guest]

I know that fungi CAN grow in the dead sea. I know that there are fungi in every

habitbale place in our macrocosm. I also know that most of the time, they don't

war with each other and so most of the time, us " sensitives " don't get caught in

the crossfire.

I do believe that there are probably mnay places like the dead sea, towns near

10,000 feet (very dry), northern manitoba and Yukon and probably the death

valley in California that have soil that are generally unfriendly to most

organisms. Leading to a less stressful competition between them.

IMHO (what do I know?)

Also, I am a firm believer that the ascension of class 3 building materials

and " cheap " construction materials have made mold very much at home in our

homes. Even in arrid climates like SoCal that didn't have a lot of such mold in

habitions before. I am guessing, I am not in possesion of statistics or evidence

to prove this.

I would like to see a colony mentality begin to germinate. A colony whose

homes do not have dead spots where condensation can accumulate, where fiber

board is never used and where things like latex paint is also not allowed

because there are other sensitivities out there unconnected to mold. A place

designed from the ground up with a natural products chemist and material

scientist on the design review board because not everybody can know how many

products have the potential to hold formaldehyde, mold or even small amount of

mold feeding glue in concrete. Glue is not as uncommon as you might think as a

concrete additive, and I mean Elmers 'perfect mold food " kind of glue. Not

casein glues, the white acrylic or latex glues can be used to decrese

permeability and raise the compressive strength of a less than wonderful grade

of concrete. The typical tile mastics and slow set mortars that won't see fire

can have many organic additives and so something that looks like concrete

or mortar can easily be full of mold food. It;s not enough to decide you want

an all ceramic room, you also need an advisor to recommend something like

firebrick mortar to set tiles on and to grout them similarly. Sealing grout is a

whole nother topic wher eI hawev more to learn than I have yet to share. We are

testing the new epoxy grouts in our bnathroom. I am very sensitive to epoxy so

my wife had to do the work, but it seems to be impermaable so far. Mold came

back around the tub where silicone sealer was used, but not on the tile grout

next to it.

There IS much room for improvement in building materials. Modern or otherwise.

Z

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