Can Mold Illness Cause Psyhosis of Some Sort??

[Guest guest]

I just talked to my father's ex wife that I have not spoken with for

four years. She bought a smaller house about 3-4 years before that

she said since the kids were grown and out of house and she wanted

something smaller. I visited after she bought it and house was

immaculate looking and basement was nicely finished entirely, clean

or perhaps newish looking carpet, finished small bath, bedroom etc

and laundry equipment down there. No second floor, so they added on

by finishing the basement. I remember reading in May's book

he doesn't recommend finished basements and it is carpeted. Anyway,

talked to her yesterday and her son who is in his fifties she said

got very ill and was living in a NURSING HOME! I couldn't believe

it. I saw him about 3 years ago and he was just fine. I had heard

that HE MOVED INTO TO HIS MOTHER'S FINISHED BASEMENT at that time.

I remember thinking about the May's words against that but it looked

nice and you just can't talk to people about this easily or they

think you are crazy. Anyway, she said he's been sick so he moved

into retirement community that she lives in, so she could take care

of HIM... and she is in her 80's. HOWEVER, she went on that they

just transferred him to a hospital. She said she didn't want to

talk about it over the phone but that he has lost his

mind ............ oh oh!!! Toxins affect your mind, right? I think

when she said he was 'put' into a hospital three days ago, I think

she means mental hospital. Does anyone know of a case like this?

Could mold do this? I guess I will need more of a case history and

she is going to tell me Wednesday when I visit her but I DO have a

tendency to see MOLD ILLNESS in everything lately but when people

have strange things happen to them, that's what I think. He was

fine last time I talked to him. He wasn't a bit strange, never has

been. It sounds like something that would happen to someone VERY,

very old, not his age, all of a sudden. Maybe it was not sudden but

a year or two of illness first. Also the mom was a bit hard to talk

to too, couldn't remember anything...however she is in her 80's but

I've heard some people have theorized that this memory problem of

old age doesn't have to be so, that it is mold illness of elderly

staying home alot and not getting fresh air, not have the energy or

perhaps MONEY living on fixed income, to keep up with repairs of old

home, etc. I know that was case with house that made me sick. It

belonged to my great aunt who let it 'go' as she got older. Then I

came in and tried to clean it up, without wearing proper protection,

lead paint, mold and all.

[Guest guest]

Barb1283

It is my belief that toxins cause many problems with the mind. I do not

want to talk about this here but if you would like to call me I will tell

you about why I believe this to be so.

Larry

620-423-8039

>From: " barb1283 " <barb1283@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: [] Can Mold Illness Cause Psyhosis of Some Sort??

>Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 23:29:13 -0000

>

>I just talked to my father's ex wife that I have not spoken with for

>four years. She bought a smaller house about 3-4 years before that

>she said since the kids were grown and out of house and she wanted

>something smaller. I visited after she bought it and house was

>immaculate looking and basement was nicely finished entirely, clean

>or perhaps newish looking carpet, finished small bath, bedroom etc

>and laundry equipment down there. No second floor, so they added on

>by finishing the basement. I remember reading in May's book

>he doesn't recommend finished basements and it is carpeted. Anyway,

>talked to her yesterday and her son who is in his fifties she said

>got very ill and was living in a NURSING HOME! I couldn't believe

>it. I saw him about 3 years ago and he was just fine. I had heard

>that HE MOVED INTO TO HIS MOTHER'S FINISHED BASEMENT at that time.

>I remember thinking about the May's words against that but it looked

>nice and you just can't talk to people about this easily or they

>think you are crazy. Anyway, she said he's been sick so he moved

>into retirement community that she lives in, so she could take care

>of HIM... and she is in her 80's. HOWEVER, she went on that they

>just transferred him to a hospital. She said she didn't want to

>talk about it over the phone but that he has lost his

>mind ............ oh oh!!! Toxins affect your mind, right? I think

>when she said he was 'put' into a hospital three days ago, I think

>she means mental hospital. Does anyone know of a case like this?

>Could mold do this? I guess I will need more of a case history and

>she is going to tell me Wednesday when I visit her but I DO have a

>tendency to see MOLD ILLNESS in everything lately but when people

>have strange things happen to them, that's what I think. He was

>fine last time I talked to him. He wasn't a bit strange, never has

>been. It sounds like something that would happen to someone VERY,

>very old, not his age, all of a sudden. Maybe it was not sudden but

>a year or two of illness first. Also the mom was a bit hard to talk

>to too, couldn't remember anything...however she is in her 80's but

>I've heard some people have theorized that this memory problem of

>old age doesn't have to be so, that it is mold illness of elderly

>staying home alot and not getting fresh air, not have the energy or

>perhaps MONEY living on fixed income, to keep up with repairs of old

>home, etc. I know that was case with house that made me sick. It

>belonged to my great aunt who let it 'go' as she got older. Then I

>came in and tried to clean it up, without wearing proper protection,

>lead paint, mold and all.

>

[Guest guest]

I am not a Dr. but I honestly believe that mold can cause MANY health

problems! I believe a lot of people are sick and the medical community doesn't

know

why. Exposure to mycotoxins is a multisystem and multisymptom illness. When

I was teaching and beginning to get sick I really thought I was going crazy.

I couldn't remember names or spell 4th grade words! I was extremely short

tempered, nervous, couldn't concentrate, and my short term memory was gone!!!!

It was a frightening experience and without finding the right Dr. I know I

would be confined somewhere right now or dead!

Sue

I just talked to my father's ex wife that I have not spoken with for

four years. She bought a smaller house about 3-4 years before that

she said since the kids were grown and out of house and she wanted

something smaller. I visited after she bought it and house was

immaculate looking and basement was nicely finished entirely, clean

or perhaps newish looking carpet, finished small bath, bedroom etc

[Guest guest]

Try Mold Warriors or _www.MoldWarriors.com_ (http://www.MoldWarriors.com) or

_www.chronicneurotoxins.com_ (http://www.chronicneurotoxins.com) or

_www.schoolmoldhelp.org_ (http://www.schoolmoldhelp.org)

Does anyone know if possible psychosis is mentioned in a people-

friendly book, Dr Schaller's book (?), that I can give to my stepmom

and family. They still own house, although noone is living in it

anymore, so they could test basement for mold

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know if possible psychosis is mentioned in a people-

friendly book, Dr Schaller's book (?), that I can give to my stepmom

and family. They still own house, although noone is living in it

anymore, so they could test basement for mold.

>

>

> I am not a Dr. but I honestly believe that mold can cause MANY

health

> problems! I believe a lot of people are sick and the medical

community doesn't know

>

[Guest guest]

Wonder if he has chemical problems also. I have heard of people being

put in those places with chemical problems if the doctors don't know

what they are doing.

>

> Barb1283

>

> It is my belief that toxins cause many problems with the mind. I

do not

> want to talk about this here but if you would like to call me I

will tell

> you about why I believe this to be so.

>

> Larry

> 620-423-8039

>

>

> >From: " barb1283 " <barb1283@...>

> >Reply-

> >

> >Subject: [] Can Mold Illness Cause Psyhosis of Some

Sort??

> >Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 23:29:13 -0000

> >

> >I just talked to my father's ex wife that I have not spoken with

for

> >four years. She bought a smaller house about 3-4 years before that

> >she said since the kids were grown and out of house and she wanted

> >something smaller. I visited after she bought it and house was

> >immaculate looking and basement was nicely finished entirely, clean

> >or perhaps newish looking carpet, finished small bath, bedroom etc

> >and laundry equipment down there. No second floor, so they added

on

> >by finishing the basement. I remember reading in May's

book

> >he doesn't recommend finished basements and it is carpeted.

Anyway,

> >talked to her yesterday and her son who is in his fifties she said

> >got very ill and was living in a NURSING HOME! I couldn't believe

> >it. I saw him about 3 years ago and he was just fine. I had heard

> >that HE MOVED INTO TO HIS MOTHER'S FINISHED BASEMENT at that time.

> >I remember thinking about the May's words against that but it

looked

> >nice and you just can't talk to people about this easily or they

> >think you are crazy. Anyway, she said he's been sick so he moved

> >into retirement community that she lives in, so she could take care

> >of HIM... and she is in her 80's. HOWEVER, she went on that they

> >just transferred him to a hospital. She said she didn't want to

> >talk about it over the phone but that he has lost his

> >mind ............ oh oh!!! Toxins affect your mind, right? I

think

> >when she said he was 'put' into a hospital three days ago, I think

> >she means mental hospital. Does anyone know of a case like this?

> >Could mold do this? I guess I will need more of a case history and

> >she is going to tell me Wednesday when I visit her but I DO have a

> >tendency to see MOLD ILLNESS in everything lately but when people

> >have strange things happen to them, that's what I think. He was

> >fine last time I talked to him. He wasn't a bit strange, never has

> >been. It sounds like something that would happen to someone VERY,

> >very old, not his age, all of a sudden. Maybe it was not sudden

but

> >a year or two of illness first. Also the mom was a bit hard to

talk

> >to too, couldn't remember anything...however she is in her 80's but

> >I've heard some people have theorized that this memory problem of

> >old age doesn't have to be so, that it is mold illness of elderly

> >staying home alot and not getting fresh air, not have the energy or

> >perhaps MONEY living on fixed income, to keep up with repairs of

old

> >home, etc. I know that was case with house that made me sick. It

> >belonged to my great aunt who let it 'go' as she got older. Then I

> >came in and tried to clean it up, without wearing proper

protection,

> >lead paint, mold and all.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I too wondered if this could be chemical toxicity since in Dallas I

noticed that people there for chemical overexposure had similar if not

the same symptoms as mold illness and he probably works with alot of

chemicals as he does alot of furniture refinishing. Another thing he

does that could cause illness I now know is being into antiques he

goes -DUMPSTER DIVING- for 'old' things from other people's homes and

fixes them up. He was very proud of the old junk he found and turned

back into something useful and attractive but I can imagine exposure

to alot of germs and mold in the DUMPSTER and also from the things

themselves if there are very old. Also the number of homes I feel

have mold problems are very high IF the amount of air pollution

problems I ran in to looking at apartments are any indication. I

wonder if this could have caused illness that sent him to live with

his mom which landed him in her finished basement bedroom.

--- In , " ldelp84227 " <ldelp84227@...>

wrote:

>

> Wonder if he has chemical problems also. I have heard of people

being

> put in those places with chemical problems if the doctors don't know

> what they are doing.

>

>

[Guest guest]

a nurseing home would not be a good place to be with chemical

sensativity.

they stuff you full of drugs and the air in most of them is nasty. if

he had phycoses you can bet it was some kind of toxin exposure. going

straight from a moldy environment to a pill pushing nurseing home

will only make him much worse. if he starts puffing up like a

balloon,get him out of there. better yet,before that happens. just a

word of advice.

> >

> > Wonder if he has chemical problems also. I have heard of people

> being

> > put in those places with chemical problems if the doctors don't

know

> > what they are doing.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

There is a chapter in Mold Warriors where Dr. Shoemaker describes the sudden

onset of vascular dementia that was brought on

by mold exposure in an older woman. It resolved when the mold issue in her

home was resolved and she did a course of cholestyramine.

One has to wonder just how many older people's vascular dementia is actually

caused by mold exposure, but because of their age, its attributed to

senility or Alzheimers, etc.

A lot.. A very lot...

On 12/27/06, barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

>

> I too wondered if this could be chemical toxicity since in Dallas I

> noticed that people there for chemical overexposure had similar if not

> the same symptoms as mold illness and he probably works with alot of

> chemicals as he does alot of furniture refinishing. Another thing he

> does that could cause illness I now know is being into antiques he

> goes -DUMPSTER DIVING- for 'old' things from other people's homes and

> fixes them up. He was very proud of the old junk he found and turned

> back into something useful and attractive but I can imagine exposure

> to alot of germs and mold in the DUMPSTER and also from the things

> themselves if there are very old. Also the number of homes I feel

> have mold problems are very high IF the amount of air pollution

> problems I ran in to looking at apartments are any indication. I

> wonder if this could have caused illness that sent him to live with

> his mom which landed him in her finished basement bedroom.

>

>

> >

> > Wonder if he has chemical problems also. I have heard of people

> being

> > put in those places with chemical problems if the doctors don't know

> > what they are doing.

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, it can. Sick buildings form vatrious sources, including mold,

can cause mental illness.

See www.neurotox.com

> > >

> > > Wonder if he has chemical problems also. I have heard of people

> > being

> > > put in those places with chemical problems if the doctors don't

know

> > > what they are doing.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone. I will have to run to the library or something to

print all of this out for his mom or brother to read as I have little

power over him, related only through my father's second marriage. A

mental hospital will really mess him up with all the new toxic drugs

that will be added to his body load. I wonder if I can do anything at

all, so few people listen to anyone but their own doctor. However I

will give it a try. The Salem witch thing is really interesting. I

haven't had time to read it all yet. I feel so sorry for him. He is

such a nice guy and never been anything weird about him at all.

--- In , " RAYSINGER1 " <ray.singer@...>

wrote:

>

> Yes, it can. Sick buildings form vatrious sources, including mold,

> can cause mental illness.

>

> See www.neurotox.com

>

[Guest guest]

Barb,

You should ask him if he has any of the symptoms of mold illness.

If he does, see if there is a doctor who can see him, and then maybe he can

try cholestyramine, if the evidence points in that direction.

Being out of the moldy building will probably help tremendously.

But bear in mind that some people actually do have real, nonenvironmental

mental illnesses,

and don't be fixated on any one 'solution' such that you are blind to

others. And other

possible causes.

Thats a very real hazard for all of us.

When I was a teenager, one of my best friends suddenly came down with

schizophrenia.

That was very, very frightening. I'll never forget it.

He ended up committing suicide, which was really tragic because

he was a very smart guy with a lot to offer the world.

On 12/27/06, barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks everyone. I will have to run to the library or something to

> print all of this out for his mom or brother to read as I have little

> power over him, related only through my father's second marriage. A

> mental hospital will really mess him up with all the new toxic drugs

> that will be added to his body load. I wonder if I can do anything at

> all, so few people listen to anyone but their own doctor. However I

> will give it a try. The Salem witch thing is really interesting. I

> haven't had time to read it all yet. I feel so sorry for him. He is

> such a nice guy and never been anything weird about him at all.

>

>

> >

> > Yes, it can. Sick buildings form vatrious sources, including mold,

> > can cause mental illness.

> >

> > See www.neurotox.com

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If he's 'with-it' enough to read himself, I can give him some books

on mold illness and he can see for himself. Hopefully, he is. I

don't know yet what he has done that has landed him in mental

hospital. Can't imagine. I was supposed to see his mother, my step

mother today, but she didn't feel well enough, so she said she hoped

she would feel well enough tomorrow. At this point, I know I am

jumping to conclusions but it is something to consider because it is

one thing the medical community never does, so you have to yourself.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Barb,

>

> You should ask him if he has any of the symptoms of mold illness.

>

> If he does, see if there is a doctor who can see him, and then

maybe he can

> try cholestyramine, if the evidence points in that direction.

>

[Guest guest]

When I had such a bad exposure in the spring-my friends were very

kind- but I was experiencing so many nuerological symptoms-they drove

me to the local shrink-no matter that I tried to explain to him and

my friends that it was only the toxins, and that my mind would return

to normal when I de-toxed-they were afraid I would harm myself. I was

having such a bad time with cross-contamination-it was drving me

crazy- the Dr wanted to admitt me to an isolation ward in the

phichiatric section of the hospital- his feeling was that it would

put me in a clean environment away from the toxins- and they could

keep an eye on me. Of course I chose to go into a clean tent in a

field and suck up the cholestrymine instead- which had me well in a

few weeks-but it just goes to show that even though you know what is

wrong with you-if you act crazy-everyone assumes you are crazy.

-- In , " barb1283 " <barb1283@...> wrote:

>

> If he's 'with-it' enough to read himself, I can give him some books

> on mold illness and he can see for himself. Hopefully, he is. I

> don't know yet what he has done that has landed him in mental

> hospital. Can't imagine. I was supposed to see his mother, my

step

> mother today, but she didn't feel well enough, so she said she

hoped

> she would feel well enough tomorrow. At this point, I know I am

> jumping to conclusions but it is something to consider because it

is

> one thing the medical community never does, so you have to

yourself.

>

[Guest guest]

I think we all have had this experience (having other people think that we

were crazy) All of my doctors thought I was at the beginning,

hell, I thought I was crazy, in that I was really desperate to find some

other explanation because the thought that I had been living in a toxic

environment, lost a relationship, a job, gotten very sick so very many

times.. and of course, would have to fight my landlord knowing that they

would not deal with it, and would then need to move when I knew I could not

afford it was something I just was desperate to avoid.

But I did it and once we started getting data that repeatedly validated the

mold hypothesis there was no turning back.

Barb, from what you are describing, I think that you should also look at the

possibility that your father's ex-wife's son had some kind

of conflict with your father's ex-wife that led her to have him committed

through no fault of his own. There really is no point in your speculating

about things until you speak with him directly - and I think that for your

conscience, you really should.

It's really good that you care about him.

Why don't you visit him at the hospital and get his side of the story. No

need to make it

so very formal.. just go there and ask if you can see him..

[Guest guest]

I am sure that a lot of people here realize this but it is extremely

common reaction for people to say someone has lost their mind when

basically all it is is that they have found out something and was

honest in discussing it that is extremely disturbing to some

established, FAULTY paradigm.

The more faulty the paradigm is, the more insecure those supporting it

are, and the more need they feel to exercise this kind of punitive

control.

Of course, history often vindicates these courageous people but this

is often of little consolation to them at that point.

[Guest guest]

Oh no, my stepmom is wonderful mom and is sick with grieve over this.

This is her own baby, her youngest son. She has barely been able to

function since they put him in hospital.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Barb, from what you are describing, I think that you should also

look at the

> possibility that your father's ex-wife's son had some kind

> of conflict with your father's ex-wife that led her to have him

committed

> through no fault of his own.