Guest guest Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Having just returned to my mold haven, and spending ANOTHER afternoon looking and finding nothing but houses with plug in after plug in, and returning here, it is so dredful. Don't panic. It makes all this worse. Just plan to do what you can to fix it. And be looking to move in the meantime. How old is the building? How long was the apartment vacant before you moved in? Do you keep air circulating throughout? Do you have ceiling fans? Yes, there can most certainly be mold beneath those hardwoods. I almost hate hardwoods because of that fact. Here is what you can do to maybe help. Buy the best vacuum you can afford, Nilfisk, Miele, Kirby, etc. are the best. Open the windows, put fans exhausting the air out of the apartment and let that vacuum do it's thing over and over again. There is must down in there and part of that is dust. Also vaccum the baseboards, walls and ceilings and cabinets and inside of closets if you can reach that high. Next you are going to have to use warm water mixed with vinegar or borax and scrub those floors and walls and closets and ceilings and cabinets interiors and exteriors. Let all this dry thoughly by turning up the heat very high, close the windows and stay away for as at least several hours. Then upon returning, open the windows and air it out and go out for a bottle of water. It would not hurt to repeat this procedure when you have the opportunity. Note: If you can't do but a little at a time every little bit wll help but you should do the vacuuming asap and the heating and airing. I would do the vaccuming frequently. If you can't afford to purchase a really good vac right now, contact on the reps and tell them you want to see how well it cleans because such and such salesperson from another company let you borrow it for a day. Continue heating the place when you are going to away for several hours. This reduces the moisture. Then air thoroughly each time. I have to do this al the time and alternate with air conditioning even in the midst of winter. Believe me, I know you don't feel good and you have all my prayers. This is so hard. I was normal before this 100 year old pile of historic bricks zapped me. Try to eat as healthy as you can. I am juicing dark leafy greens and it seems to give me at least enough energy to lookfor another house. Jane Ann barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote: To all you experts out there: I moved into this new temporary apartment a month ago and notice it *does* smell musty even though weather has permitted opening windows almost every day and at night I have an Austin Hepa Plus running and it has hardwood floors and place is otherwise clean, inside my unit anyway. I ALSO have not been feeling well since I got here, not real sick but loss of appetite, and other things where I was doing very well at the extended stay hotel I was staying at for two and half months. I moved here due to good test results from mold plates that caught no viable mold spores...only place I got *no mold*. However something else did grow in dish, I don't know what it was, bacteria, yeast...not sure but not round things like mold and took very long and not alot. SO could place be full of <<TOXINS>> even though not much mold in air? I know this has been discussed. It is very old building so even low amounts of mold over long periods of time I guess toxins could build up, right? The only thing I see is that hardwood floor is not in good condition. The boards are spaced far apart, like with age they have moved or shrunken so it really isn't the nice smooth non- poroused surface that I can keep real clean that I had imagined. When I sweep it, what I am sweeping can just fall between the boards. Could musty smell becoming from hardwood floor since it is so old? Looks like there is a lot of 'krud' in between floor gaps. I had my cat here one day and he spent alot of time sniffing floor so he must have found it odorous...so wondering if musty odor is coming from floor. Finding a good place is soooooooooo hard!!!! I was crying first few days I was here, so discouraged. (It is also extremely noisey at all hours. I so used to my completely quiet single family home on dead end street.) I think what happened is when I looked at apartment people were still in here and were cooking so probably couldn't smell the musty odor for that reason. So am I in good shape due to no mold caught in mold plate or is fact place smells mean that I didn't find a clean place???? __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 have you noticed felling worse on windy days? you can also buy wood fill and fill the spaces. > To all you experts out there: > > I moved into this new temporary apartment a month ago and notice it > *does* smell musty even though weather has permitted opening windows > almost every day and at night I have an Austin Hepa Plus running and > it has hardwood floors and place is otherwise clean, inside my unit > anyway. I ALSO have not been feeling well since I got here, not > real sick but loss of appetite, and other things where I was doing > very well at the extended stay hotel I was staying at for two and > half months. I moved here due to good test results from mold plates > that caught no viable mold spores...only place I got *no mold*. > > However something else did grow in dish, I don't know what it was, > bacteria, yeast...not sure but not round things like mold and took > very long and not alot. SO could place be full of <<TOXINS>> even > though not much mold in air? I know this has been discussed. It is > very old building so even low amounts of mold over long periods of > time I guess toxins could build up, right? > > The only thing I see is that hardwood floor is not in good > condition. The boards are spaced far apart, like with age they have > moved or shrunken so it really isn't the nice smooth non- poroused > surface that I can keep real clean that I had imagined. When I > sweep it, what I am sweeping can just fall between the boards. > > Could musty smell becoming from hardwood floor since it is so old? > Looks like there is a lot of 'krud' in between floor gaps. I had my > cat here one day and he spent alot of time sniffing floor so he must > have found it odorous...so wondering if musty odor is coming from > floor. > > Finding a good place is soooooooooo hard!!!! I was crying first few > days I was here, so discouraged. (It is also extremely noisey at > all hours. I so used to my completely quiet single family home on > dead end street.) I think what happened is when I looked at > apartment people were still in here and were cooking so probably > couldn't smell the musty odor for that reason. > > So am I in good shape due to no mold caught in mold plate or is fact > place smells mean that I didn't find a clean place???? > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 hold a feather over cracks,windy days could cause blowing in of what ever is in thewall around you. depending on how its built, even a forced air heating system could cause air flow from the basementor crawl space even if your several floors up.it's easy to use wood fill. take a wire brush and clean the cracks as best you can, use a small one or two inch trowel, or scraper tool to apply which will push it into the cracks,scrapeoff excess,let set a few minutes and wipe area with damp sponge. get it in the color to best match your floor stain color. > > To all you experts out there: > > > > I moved into this new temporary apartment a month ago and notice it > > *does* smell musty even though weather has permitted opening > windows > > almost every day and at night I have an Austin Hepa Plus running > and > > it has hardwood floors and place is otherwise clean, inside my unit > > anyway. I ALSO have not been feeling well since I got here, not > > real sick but loss of appetite, and other things where I was doing > > very well at the extended stay hotel I was staying at for two and > > half months. I moved here due to good test results from mold plates > > that caught no viable mold spores...only place I got *no mold*. > > > > However something else did grow in dish, I don't know what it was, > > bacteria, yeast...not sure but not round things like mold and took > > very long and not alot. SO could place be full of <<TOXINS>> even > > though not much mold in air? I know this has been discussed. It is > > very old building so even low amounts of mold over long periods of > > time I guess toxins could build up, right? > > > > The only thing I see is that hardwood floor is not in good > > condition. The boards are spaced far apart, like with age they have > > moved or shrunken so it really isn't the nice smooth non- poroused > > surface that I can keep real clean that I had imagined. When I > > sweep it, what I am sweeping can just fall between the boards. > > > > Could musty smell becoming from hardwood floor since it is so old? > > Looks like there is a lot of 'krud' in between floor gaps. I had my > > cat here one day and he spent alot of time sniffing floor so he > must > > have found it odorous...so wondering if musty odor is coming from > > floor. > > > > Finding a good place is soooooooooo hard!!!! I was crying first few > > days I was here, so discouraged. (It is also extremely noisey at > > all hours. I so used to my completely quiet single family home on > > dead end street.) I think what happened is when I looked at > > apartment people were still in here and were cooking so probably > > couldn't smell the musty odor for that reason. > > > > So am I in good shape due to no mold caught in mold plate or is > fact > > place smells mean that I didn't find a clean place???? > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 There is too much wood and each plank has huge spaces between so it would be too much wood filler but I could hepa vacuum it. I thought I would not need a hepa vaccum because I planned to get hard flooring and all metal, wood and leather interior that I can just dust, so thought I could avoid the cost of the hepa vacuum. They can be rented though I believe. Anyway, first I will cover floor with plastic. That way I can see if floor is what is making apartment smell musty or not. Thanks I didn't notice a difference on windy days. It seems to smell musty always. I can only notice it when I first walk in. After I am in apartment for just a few minutes, I get used to smell and don't notice it anymore. I think that is how I got to point I am at. My home was musty but I only smelled it when I first walked in and then didn't smell it anymore, so I thought it was something at the entryway only...some old wood or dust someplace I miss regularly. > > have you noticed felling worse on windy days? you can also buy wood > fill and fill the spaces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 There are no cracks in the wall but perhaps you mean wind can blow things in through cracks in floor? Since apartment is so noisey and I have only month to month lease, I don't think it would be worth my effort to do this to three room apartment, bedroom, kitchen and living room where all wood has openings on either side but interesting idea none the less Jeanine. I'll remember it for more permanent place. > > hold a feather over cracks,windy days could cause blowing in of what > ever is in thewall around you. depending on how its built, even a > forced air heating system could cause air flow from the basementor > crawl space even if Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 > > I can only notice it when I first walk in. After I am in > apartment for just a few minutes, I get used to smell and don't notice > it anymore. I think that is how I got to point I am at. My home was > musty but I only smelled it when I first walked in and then didn't > smell it anymore, >..yes,thisis what happens with exposure atlower doses. if you lay plastic you'll be able to tell if air is flowing through cracks. if so, hepa vacuming wouldn't help anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 yep,still have a few lightbulb moments,some times takes a while to turn the switch on but atleast the mold didn't get it all, otherwize i wouldn't be much help to the cause and would just take up a lot of space asking a lot of questions that i couldn't fiqure out for myself. well, haveing a bad patch so back to bed i go. > > > > hold a feather over cracks,windy days could cause blowing in of what > > ever is in thewall around you. depending on how its built, even a > > forced air heating system could cause air flow from the basementor > > crawl space even if > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 Odors can enter into your space thru the electrical outlets, etc. barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote: There are no cracks in the wall but perhaps you mean wind can blow things in through cracks in floor? Since apartment is so noisey and I have only month to month lease, I don't think it would be worth my effort to do this to three room apartment, bedroom, kitchen and living room where all wood has openings on either side but interesting idea none the less Jeanine. I'll remember it for more permanent place. > > hold a feather over cracks,windy days could cause blowing in of what > ever is in thewall around you. depending on how its built, even a > forced air heating system could cause air flow from the basementor > crawl space even if __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 Our olfactory nerves get accustomed to the smells in our space. You are experiencing a condition known as masking to your new space. In my 100 year old house I only smell the mustiness upon entering. When I am houses I am considering buying, it's another story altogether. Some smell at the point of entry and some smell the deeper in you go. If the property has been closed up I gag severely and have to run out quickly. You do not have a central system so your space will have that shut up smell most probably. barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote: There is too much wood and each plank has huge spaces between so it would be too much wood filler but I could hepa vacuum it. I thought I would not need a hepa vaccum because I planned to get hard flooring and all metal, wood and leather interior that I can just dust, so thought I could avoid the cost of the hepa vacuum. They can be rented though I believe. Anyway, first I will cover floor with plastic. That way I can see if floor is what is making apartment smell musty or not. Thanks I didn't notice a difference on windy days. It seems to smell musty always. I can only notice it when I first walk in. After I am in apartment for just a few minutes, I get used to smell and don't notice it anymore. I think that is how I got to point I am at. My home was musty but I only smelled it when I first walked in and then didn't smell it anymore, so I thought it was something at the entryway only...some old wood or dust someplace I miss regularly. > > have you noticed felling worse on windy days? you can also buy wood > fill and fill the spaces __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 The people who lived here before me just moved out days before I moved in, so wasn't empty for long; and since we have been having very mild weather with dewpoints in the 30's, I open the windows every day and have two ceiling fans to stir the air up that I turn on once in awhile so really isn't closed up. I make a point of opening windows as much as possible every day so there should not be musty smell from being shut. --- In , jane mosher <janeannmosher@...> wrote: > > Our olfactory nerves get accustomed to the smells in our space. You are experiencing a condition known as masking to your new space. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 Ceiling fans blow everything around. You should use a fan in the window to exhaust the air forceably from the area especially after you vacuum and scrub and mop EVERYWHERE with something like borax. barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote: The people who lived here before me just moved out days before I moved in, so wasn't empty for long; and since we have been having very mild weather with dewpoints in the 30's, I open the windows every day and have two ceiling fans to stir the air up that I turn on once in awhile so really isn't closed up. I make a point of opening windows as much as possible every day so there should not be musty smell from being shut. --- In , jane mosher <janeannmosher@...> wrote: > > Our olfactory nerves get accustomed to the smells in our space. You are experiencing a condition known as masking to your new space. > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 It's called olfactory fatigue. When you get accuatomed to the odors..aka, guys working in a sewer treatment plant same with the people who don't notice their fragrances and douse themselves until they can smell it. On Fri, 29 Dec 2006, jane mosher wrote: > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:29:34 -0800 (PST) > From: jane mosher <janeannmosher@...> > Reply- > > Subject: Re: [] Re: Does Smell indicate Mold or just VOC's? > > Our olfactory nerves get accustomed to the smells in our space. You are experiencing a condition known as masking to your new space. > In my 100 year old house I only smell the mustiness upon entering. > When I am houses I am considering buying, it's another story altogether. > Some smell at the point of entry and some smell the deeper in you go. If the property has been closed up I gag severely and have to run out quickly. > You do not have a central system so your space will have that shut up smell most probably. > > > barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote: > There is too much wood and each plank has huge spaces between so it > would be too much wood filler but I could hepa vacuum it. I thought I > would not need a hepa vaccum because I planned to get hard flooring > and all metal, wood and leather interior that I can just dust, so > thought I could avoid the cost of the hepa vacuum. They can be rented > though I believe. > Anyway, first I will cover floor with plastic. That way I can see if > floor is what is making apartment smell musty or not. Thanks > I didn't notice a difference on windy days. It seems to smell musty > always. I can only notice it when I first walk in. After I am in > apartment for just a few minutes, I get used to smell and don't notice > it anymore. I think that is how I got to point I am at. My home was > musty but I only smelled it when I first walked in and then didn't > smell it anymore, so I thought it was something at the entryway > only...some old wood or dust someplace I miss regularly. > > >> >> have you noticed felling worse on windy days? you can also buy wood >> fill and fill the spaces > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 Thanks, the EI doctors refer to the process as either masking or unmasking depending on which state your olfactory system and detox which you are in. Angel says NO MORE 2 Clarins <jap2bemc@...> wrote: It's called olfactory fatigue. When you get accuatomed to the odors..aka, guys working in a sewer treatment plant same with the people who don't notice their fragrances and douse themselves until they can smell it. On Fri, 29 Dec 2006, jane mosher wrote: > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:29:34 -0800 (PST) > From: jane mosher <janeannmosher@...> > Reply- > > Subject: Re: [] Re: Does Smell indicate Mold or just VOC's? > > Our olfactory nerves get accustomed to the smells in our space. You are experiencing a condition known as masking to your new space. > In my 100 year old house I only smell the mustiness upon entering. > When I am houses I am considering buying, it's another story altogether. > Some smell at the point of entry and some smell the deeper in you go. If the property has been closed up I gag severely and have to run out quickly. > You do not have a central system so your space will have that shut up smell most probably. > > > barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote: > There is too much wood and each plank has huge spaces between so it > would be too much wood filler but I could hepa vacuum it. I thought I > would not need a hepa vaccum because I planned to get hard flooring > and all metal, wood and leather interior that I can just dust, so > thought I could avoid the cost of the hepa vacuum. They can be rented > though I believe. > Anyway, first I will cover floor with plastic. That way I can see if > floor is what is making apartment smell musty or not. Thanks > I didn't notice a difference on windy days. It seems to smell musty > always. I can only notice it when I first walk in. After I am in > apartment for just a few minutes, I get used to smell and don't notice > it anymore. I think that is how I got to point I am at. My home was > musty but I only smelled it when I first walked in and then didn't > smell it anymore, so I thought it was something at the entryway > only...some old wood or dust someplace I miss regularly. > > >> >> have you noticed felling worse on windy days? you can also buy wood >> fill and fill the spaces > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 thanks angel, should have known there was a name for this to. heres a interesting article on it. oder and food olecules activate membrane receptors <http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/chems.html> > >> > >> have you noticed felling worse on windy days? you can also buy wood > >> fill and fill the spaces > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 What is masking or unmasking? I've heard of that so often but in the context of chemical sensivitivity or allergies, like unmasking an allergic reaction, etc. > It's called olfactory fatigue. When you get accuatomed to the odors..aka, > guys working in a sewer treatment plant same with the people who don't > notice their fragrances and douse themselves until they can smell it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 Barb, I think that with MCS, the olefactory bulb is more than fatiqued, it's damaged. > > It's called olfactory fatigue. When you get accuatomed to the > odors..aka, > > guys working in a sewer treatment plant same with the people who > don't > > notice their fragrances and douse themselves until they can smell it. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 I don't think being unmasked from everything is good. Once you are so perfectly clean with nothing in your body, how does one re-enter the 21st century? I am speaking of this in the context of mcs/allergies. barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote: What is masking or unmasking? I've heard of that so often but in the context of chemical sensivitivity or allergies, like unmasking an allergic reaction, etc. > It's called olfactory fatigue. When you get accuatomed to the odors..aka, > guys working in a sewer treatment plant same with the people who don't > notice their fragrances and douse themselves until they can smell it. > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 My pulmonologist at the mayo clinic told me to give up all scented products. once I apparently detoxed them, I could not tolerate them in my presence. I don't know if the doctor thought I would go as far as I have to give up commercially available cleaners, avoid dry cleaned clothes, use the solid deodorant rock and unscented shampoos and conditioners. I put everyone in my house on this regimen as well and now they have problems with the scented world and all of them are healthy and not affected by mold and allergies. So sometimes I think the state of being totally isolated and unmasked is a bunch of " hooey. " barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote: What is masking or unmasking? I've heard of that so often but in the context of chemical sensivitivity or allergies, like unmasking an allergic reaction, etc. > It's called olfactory fatigue. When you get accuatomed to the odors..aka, > guys working in a sewer treatment plant same with the people who don't > notice their fragrances and douse themselves until they can smell it. > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Jeanine, I wasn't asking about olfactory fatigue. It sounds self explanatory. Nose is used to smell, so doesn't detect it anymore. What I am saying is that I have heard word 'masking' and 'unmasking' used by MCS people alot. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 This is the way I have heard term used. A friend with MCS says she is sorry she got unmasked because now she cannot tolerate anything so she is trying to expose herself a little bit at a time to the world of scents, so I've heard term used like this, in relationship to MCS, not olfactory fatigue. --- In , jane mosher <janeannmosher@...> wrote: > > I don't think being unmasked from everything is good. Once you are so perfectly clean with nothing in your body, how does one re-enter the 21st century? I am speaking of this in the context of mcs/allergies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 I am almost too unmasked. I read a book about it written by a doctor in Texas. I think if you get too detoxed and avoid everything, you lose what immunity you have to whatever. At the mayo clinic, they took me off of scents and now they cause me problems. I wear a little bit of scented stuff now. Better to be a little sick than incapable of sitting in a public place. There is an ei doctor here and he has a loyal following who gave up scents. It has become a little cult. Now they faint when someone comes in with perfume. before they were just a little headachy. which is worse? isolated and then fainting or a litle bit headachy? barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote: This is the way I have heard term used. A friend with MCS says she is sorry she got unmasked because now she cannot tolerate anything so she is trying to expose herself a little bit at a time to the world of scents, so I've heard term used like this, in relationship to MCS, not olfactory fatigue. --- In , jane mosher <janeannmosher@...> wrote: > > I don't think being unmasked from everything is good. Once you are so perfectly clean with nothing in your body, how does one re-enter the 21st century? I am speaking of this in the context of mcs/allergies. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 For me the longer I stay away from the fragrances the better I tolerate them when exposed. I can go to a store and come home okay now if I don't go too long and have a chance to get some air. Like on Christmas I did pretty good all day at relatives but I did wake up in the middle of the night vomiting from a migrane. I didn't get the migrane until I got home after a very long day. When I got home the musty smell of this house hit me in the face. I don't notice it when I am here but, if I leave for a while the odor hits me in the face when I return. Seems like I notice a lot of musty houses these days. Even very expensive houses. So it seems like I can be out for a while, but after a while the chemicals build up in my system. I am living with people right now that still use bad laundry products, air freshner once in a while, etc. If I can get out of that area I seem to be ok. When I was in my apartment I was constantly being exposed to fragrances through the vents and through the walls. I had my heater doors all taped up so that fragrance wouldn't seep through. It was like being stuck in a place that was being pumped with cooking odors, fragrances, and dryer exhaust. I didn't drive so I was a prisoner in a dangerous environment. I was really sick there all the time. They say it is like a glass of water, when the glass gets full your body is full of toxins. When it is half full you can still handle a little. I forget the exact phrase but you get my drift. lol > > It's called olfactory fatigue. When you get accuatomed to the > odors..aka, > > guys working in a sewer treatment plant same with the people who > don't > > notice their fragrances and douse themselves until they can smell it. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 I find my MCS is soley a barometer for my mold illness- the better I am the more I can tolerate. Which is the same for the illness in generel, if build up toxins in my system, I become intorerent of everything- an must live in a totally clean environment to start feeling better- once I am well ,I can tolerate moderatly normal air and scents. I find it hard to understand or believe that a totally healthy person, just by giving up scents, would create an intolerance for them-they certainly would become more aware of them, but faint? alittle like the vapours in n times. > > > > I don't think being unmasked from everything is good. Once you are > so perfectly clean with nothing in your body, how does one re-enter > the 21st century? I am speaking of this in the context of > mcs/allergies. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Barb,with mcs there is a masking of symptoms. once you get out of that environment symptoms slowly start unmasking themselfs, the more irratants you can avoid,the better you can fell. > > > > I don't think being unmasked from everything is good. Once you are > so perfectly clean with nothing in your body, how does one re-enter > the 21st century? I am speaking of this in the context of > mcs/allergies. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Jane,you don't know what your talking about. you don'tjust get a little headacky with mcs. sometimes if you don't understand something it's better to keep your mouthshut! and there is a big difference between masking and unmasking with allergies and with mcs and hypersensativitys. there is a hudge difference between allergies and poisoning by toxins that cause mcs. > > > > I don't think being unmasked from everything is good. Once you are > so perfectly clean with nothing in your body, how does one re-enter > the 21st century? I am speaking of this in the context of > mcs/allergies. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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