Re: Laundry Cleaners / JackieBreeze

[Guest guest]

Jackie, you said that Ajax Super Degreaser Dish Detergent did a

great job of your husband's greasy clothes, better than laundry

detergent. I don't think I can use dish detergent in my front

laundry due to sudsing but I wonder if Cascade or one of the

dishwashing machine dish detergents would work the same without the

suds problem. Theoretically at least Cascade would have to cut

grease on dishes without the assistance of dish cloth. If you have

dish washing machine (I don't)and ever try this, please let me

know. I have nothing to compare results with since I haven't washed

anything greasy before. I use paper towels for greasy jobs and

throw them away but you can't do that with your husband's work

clothes.

If it is as effective at grease removal as Ajax, I might start to

use it for laundry since if it's a good degreaser, might be good at

mycotoxin removal, at least that is what some of us are theorizing

here. With a little ammonia too. Thanks!!

>

> Barb,

> My husband works in a plant that makes gears for Dodge. Husband

> refuses to wear an apron which we had many of discussions on why

he

[Guest guest]

Let us know how you like it if you try it. In particular looking to

try things that are good at getting out gooey, greasy stuff based on

idea that mycotoxins are very sticky or similar to an oil film.

Pathologist said ammonia is good.

--- In , " J. Page " <apage1@...>

wrote:

>

> how about this for a luandry idea

> www.earthcareproduct.com/jm/laundry

>

[Guest guest]

Q-meister: The link I put into group from Amazon.com on the

ultrasonic destainer had really bad reviews. Look on Amazon.com for

the destainer reviews by buyers. It got really low marks. One can

only just assume these are really people who used it.

> >

> > Let us know how you like it if you try it. In particular looking

[Guest guest]

From my understanding Casade has a bleaching agent in it. It is also

acostic (SP). I was once told a person can use a little clorox in the

dishwasher but not ammonia due to the gases it will produce. About

once a week I add a cup of clorox to the wash cycle basically to

disinfect the dishwasher a little more. I have always done this

because my mom did it..just one of those habits I inherited!

> >

> > Barb,

> > My husband works in a plant that makes gears for Dodge. Husband

> > refuses to wear an apron which we had many of discussions on why

> he

>

[Guest guest]

I have found regular Tide cleans the best. I will add the Ajax with my

husband's clothes. If they are extra greasy and filthy, I will add

littlie ammonia and do an extra rinse. This is the ONLY time I will

use the detergent, ammonia and ajax. Ajax and clorox should NOT be used

together...I don't use a lot of bleach because liver disease runs in my

family. When my sister passed away with liver issues, the doctor at

Hospice said Clorox is really toxic to the liver. As I said in an

earlier post, I may use it in the dishwasher but I am very careful to

not hang out in the kitchen at this time. I may add chlorine bleach to

stained whites every now and then. I keep a bottle of Clorox and I may

use it in our bathroom but this is not something I clean with even

weekly. Clorox should be used carefully and directions should always

be followed. The problem with cleaners such as Clorox, people think

more is best...the best thing to do is follow directions and not use

more.

Ok, I am off my rant but back to the Tide thing, I also add ammonia to

my laundry from time to time. I don't think it is always necessary to

use so many additives as a detergent such as Tide is really cleansing.

For those with sensitivities, there are the kinds without fragrances.

I always feel it is best to do an extra rinse with water only,

especially for use with allergies. I have heard folks using a vinegar

rinse but vinegar, Clorox and ammonia is all damaging to our clothing

as it is. It is never good to not rinse this stuff. Also, never mix

ammonia, vinegar or Clorox...if one or the other used as an additive

does not do the job, then this is a sign that it is time to trash the

item!

IMO, if an item has mold in it, I would not even try to save it! With

so many free recycling groups around offering free clothes, people

should not have to be so worried about going naked if they throw out a

moldy item of clothing!

> > >

> > > Let us know how you like it if you try it. In particular looking

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ali, with MCS products that can be tolerated or very slim. the

only thing I've used is ammonia, watered down and I made a point not

to breath it. I worry about somethings mentioned in the group too,

but have to remind myself that everyone doesn't have MCS and

hopefully thier not useing amounts that would bring on MCS. everyone

has thier own limitations in this nightmare and not enough answers so

hopefully they know what they can tolerate or not. when you have MCS

it is your guide.

>

> I don't post here often. I've learned a ton from all of you and

your posts. One thing that I see alot on this group though is people

continuing to use really hazardous and toxic chemicals to clean their

clothes, their houses, etc. Why is this? The thought of putting

clorox or ammonia or any other toxins into my environment really

alarms me. There are other things that can be used to degrease and

destink things. Just my two cents.

>

>

> [] Re: Laundry Cleaners / JackieBreeze

>

> From my understanding Casade has a bleaching agent in it. It is

also

> acostic (SP). I was once told a person can use a little clorox in

the

> dishwasher but not ammonia due to the gases it will produce. About

> once a week I add a cup of clorox to the wash cycle basically to

> disinfect the dishwasher a little more. I have always done this

> because my mom did it..just one of those habits I inherited!

>

> --- In , " barb1283 " <barb1283@ .>

wrote:

> >

> > Jackie, you said that Ajax Super Degreaser Dish Detergent did a

> > great job of your husband's greasy clothes, better than laundry

> > detergent. I don't think I can use dish detergent in my front

> > laundry due to sudsing but I wonder if Cascade or one of the

> > dishwashing machine dish detergents would work the same without

the

> > suds problem. Theoretically at least Cascade would have to cut

> > grease on dishes without the assistance of dish cloth. If you

have

> > dish washing machine (I don't)and ever try this, please let me

> > know. I have nothing to compare results with since I haven't

> washed

> > anything greasy before. I use paper towels for greasy jobs and

> > throw them away but you can't do that with your husband's work

> > clothes.

> > If it is as effective at grease removal as Ajax, I might start to

> > use it for laundry since if it's a good degreaser, might be good

at

> > mycotoxin removal, at least that is what some of us are

theorizing

> > here. With a little ammonia too. Thanks!!

> >

> > --- In , " sea " <jackiebreeze@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > Barb,

> > > My husband works in a plant that makes gears for Dodge. Husband

> > > refuses to wear an apron which we had many of discussions on

why

> > he

> >

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

I don't agree with all of it. I believe that TILT is basically when

your liver malfunctions and is no longer detoxing up to par causeing

build up of toxins in the body that trigger MCS. .

>

> Believe me, we all balance these issues.. none of us like using

strong

> oxidizers but its the only way.. When you get mold illness, you

become

> hypersensitive to mold on things. Invisible levels of mold that you

can't

> smell or see. A very little bit makes you sick and this is because

for a

> time, you were saturated with it. Inevitably, unless you literally

gave

> everything you own away or burned it, you have stuff from your old

life

> which is contaminated to various degrees until it is cleaned. But

even then

> it may still retain some mold on it. There is also mold in the

environment,

> everywhere, as the pundits are so fond of pointing out. When you

become

> hypersensitized from overload, your body senses RELATIVE

levels..When you

> are first sick, and get out, you clean things and they seem to be

better,

> but then as you get even better, only by avoiding mold, you often

find that

> the thing you cleaned before and thought had been cleaned enough is

still

> reactive for you because your body's natural 'masking' has

declined. That

> means you are getting still better. The symptoms change. Does that

make any

> sense to you at all? Thats the way it works, I can't explain it any

better

> than that.

>

> The best way to understand this without actually getting sick from

mold, is

> to search for 's TILT (Toxicant Induced Loss of

Tolerance)

> theory on the net.. Her theory is the very best explanation I have

seen for

> what happens.. Its stood for a long time and everyone on here and

in the

> vanguard of treating this seem to agree she is right. Its the only

paradigm

> that makes sense over time and which explains the hypersensitivity

> inflammation, etc. we feel..

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The problem is, alot of people are trying to get the mycotoxin burn out

of their clothes, and other things that they want to keep. Not everyone

on this site understands or suffers from the horrible effects that come

from being next to items that have become saturated with mycotoxins-I

promise you, it will drive you insane and cause you to move repeatedly,

cut off all your hair, and throw everything you own away, and live in a

tent with borrowed old clothes from your friends-even going to a

friends house and sitting in a chair that you sat in when you were

contaminated will burn you and make you sick-this leads people to use

all sorts of products to try and control, almost allway unsucessfully,

this monstrouse cross contamination.

>

> I don't post here often. I've learned a ton from all of you and your

posts. One thing that I see alot on this group though is people

continuing to use really hazardous and toxic chemicals to clean their

clothes, their houses, etc. Why is this? The thought of putting

clorox or ammonia or any other toxins into my environment really alarms

me. There are other things that can be used to degrease and destink

things. Just my two cents.

>

>

[Guest guest]

When I went to see Dr Rae in Dallas, everything I packed came right

out of my wash machine, except for one item...a cardigan sweater.

Why? It was August, going to Dallas. We landed at 8 pm and it was

100 degrees!!! Therefore I hadn't planned to take a sweater. My

planned wardrobe went into wash machine. Last minute I think of " air

conditioned buildings " and threw a sweater in baggage. At Dallas I

make a friend staying at the Marriott. She has MCS. We sat together

at clinic and I drove her home to Marriott that night. Next day she

sat next to me again. This time though I am wearing sweater and she

says something is bothering her, apologizes and moves a seat away. I

realize sweater I'm wearing is only thing not taken right from wash

machine and directly into baggage. It was clean but had not been

washed immediately prior to traveling, so an example of keen detection

of probably mold and mycotoxins. I wish I could sense them but not to

point of fainting of course. This is same person who fainted next day

when someone came walking in with cologne on that even I could smell

from far away, despite signs that say it was not allowed.

--- In , " carondeen " <kdeanstudios@...>

wrote:

>

> The problem is, alot of people are trying to get the mycotoxin burn

out

> of their clothes, and other things that they want to keep. Not

everyone

> on this site understands or suffers from the horrible effects that

come

> from being next to items that have become saturated with mycotoxins

[Guest guest]

exactly,

> > >

> > > I don't post here often. I've learned a ton from all of you and

your

> > posts. One thing that I see alot on this group though is people

> > continuing to use really hazardous and toxic chemicals to clean

their

> > clothes, their houses, etc. Why is this? The thought of putting

> > clorox or ammonia or any other toxins into my environment really

alarms

> > me. There are other things that can be used to degrease and

destink

> > things. Just my two cents.

> > >

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