Re: Re: Unregulated industry/ response to Carl

[Guest guest]

Carl,

As you point out not all areas are black and white or easily agreed upon as

has been discussed on this board. However, many areas are straight forward

and should be addressed by professional organizations and agencies in your

field. We here on this board are all very appreciative of your voice that

speaks for mold victims. I understand the sensitivity for you in addressing

problems taking place in your industry, however, this will not prevent me from

expressing what needs to be said, and said over and over until change takes

place.

With all due respect, I believe you are trying to defend the indefensible.

When it comes to so much being at stake for so many of us in dealing with

mold exposure, there is simply no excuse for an industry continuing to be

unregulated without standards. As we all know an unregulated industry benefits

those parties that create the problems. When you have such a problematic

industry, filled with problematic individuals and companies, there becomes a

vested

interest in the lack of regulation. I can't think of one other industry

that is not regulated whereby a single act of negligence can result in such

extensive harm and devastation to individuals lives in loss of health,

belongings, home and financial ruin. When there is so much at risk in

insurmountable

losses for those experiencing mold exposure, it is despicable that this

industry has no standards.

As far as legal clarity coming at the expense of reality, this is no excuse

for not developing necessary guidelines and standards. This must be done now

instead of later- before it becomes too late for more individuals and

families that become victim to the lack of regulation. As far as seeing the

greatest failures and problems in any given industry, all one has to do is to

follow the trail of lawsuits.

Bobbins, RN, L.Ac, QME

In a message dated 1/7/2007 9:11:46 PM Central Standard Time,

grimes@... writes:

Hello all. I'll try address the questions several of you have asked.

A remedy for this unregulated industry is extremely tough, but not

just because of the lack of regulation. Texas, for example, has LAWS

about inspecting and remediating mold. It is very clear about what is

legal and what isn't. Unfortunately, the legal clarity comes at the

expense of reality and provides little benefit to those affected,

especially those like many on this list that are severely impacted.

Results can happen quickly but not always producing the desired

results.

Another approach is to enact laws that recognize specific levels and

types of training and experience that are independantly verified by

those without a financial interest. It's no guarantee as the example

of doctors demonstrates and some of my colleagues prove. This

approach mandates the expertise but not how it is used. It reduces

the opportunities for harm but doesn't eliminate it. This takes

longer than a law but can be quite effective.

My preference and efforts include the latter but it must occur within

the context of a concurrent educational effort of the public. This

is most effective but takes the longest to achieve. And is expensive

to deliver the information.

Also, there needs to be a certain level of need and awareness before

the " public " will listen to and trust the information they hear.

Just think of all the family and friends we know who don't believe

us. Or all the celebrities the past 7-8 years that have gone public

and pushed the issues.

I, too, wish for something faster and more effective. But it's just

going to take time. Also, believe it or not, the conversations you

have on this group have a powerful effect with those who find us and

are ready to hear what we have to say. It's slow, but the most

effective. So keep talking!

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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For those hygienists who work in the field dealing with mold- I continue to

find an unregulated questionable industry fraught with problems. Most

unfortunate are for those of us dependent upon these services who not only

have

sustained insurmountable losses related to mold exposure but have to contend

with the " experts " that have only further jeopardized our situations.

For those of us whose lives are forever and permanently altered though mold

exposure, we rely upon these very professionals to adhere to a set of

standards

that include a moral code that far too often seems to be lacking. It is my

hope

for the future that within your industry standards will improve, integrity

will

grow, conflict of interests will lesson.

Bobbins, RN, L.Ac, QME

> how can they be held accountable when there are no strict quidelines

> in place and there is not enough research being done to establish

> those guidelines. not many out there like Carl. most just get into it

> for the money and dont even know enough to give you good advice. kind

> of like some doctors, they can just claim ignorance because of lack

> of information. of_@ic_

(mailto: ) ,

> bobbinsbiomed@ bobbinsbi

> >

> >

> > Maybe Carl can answer your question as to a way of holding these

> individuals

> > accountable in an industry where there seems to be no

> accountability. I

> > certainly would be interested in his response.

> > Bobbins, RN, L.Ac, QME

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 1/5/2007 2:23:06 PM Central Standard Time,

> > quackadillian@ quackadill

> >

> > What about mold consultants who commit fraud?

> >

> > Is there any way to hold them accountable, besides complaining to

> the state?