Re: Are sleep disorders caused by mold?

[Guest guest]

I am not sure if mold can cause sleep disorders, except that it can

cause an MSH deficiency which will cause sleep problems (inability to

fall asleep/stay asleep).

Sleep apnea is a disorder which needs to be treated. It is when you

stop breathing repeatedly for some period of time while you sleep. My

husband has it. Sleep apnea can affect the heart.

They probably want to you come back so that you can try a cpap

( " continuous positive air pressure " ) machine while you sleep and see if

this helps you, and if so, what pressure you need the machine set at.

The cpap machine isn't so " pretty, " but does prevent complications from

sleep apnea.

Hope this helps,

--- In , " moldcankill " <moldcankill@...>

wrote:

Has anyone been diagnosed with sleep disorders due to mold?

[Guest guest]

YOu don't need to do something just because a doctor tells you to.

If you feel you get good rest and family members are not

complaining, you are the best judge. People get different symptoms

from mold exposure. It affects people different ways. Cpap therapy

would just be outfitting you for a mask to wear at night which helps

you to breathe better, showing you how to wear it, loaning/renting

it out to you, etc. You could try it to see if you sleep better.

It isn't anything that affects you internally and does not entail

taking any medication, so harmless unless something odd were to

happen, like you get choked by cord of cpap or something, can't

think of anything but I guess anything could happen. Anyway, I wish

I were in your situation, as I cannot get more than 4 hours of

sleep, 6 is my best, and some nights I don't sleep at all...my

insurance company which is " managing my case by nurse " wants me to

go back to sleep lab again and be retested since my original sleep

test was so long ago, and a friend wants me to ask for cpap mask as

original diagnosis was insomnia with slight apnea. Since insomnia

part they have no recommendation for, friend thinks perhaps cpap may

help a little, so it's on my long list of things to do. However no

doctor has ever connected my sleep loss with mold, which was your

original question. However others have said there is.

>

> Has anyone been diagnosed with sleep disorders due to mold? After

>

[Guest guest]

did she call it sleep apnea? its where you quit breathing while

asleep and yes you can die from it. I had it bad while in the moldy

homes. now it seems to come and go. I keep wanting to link it in with

sinus problems and have also notice a weird rattleing sound coming

from somewhere in my airways sometimes. I snore whem its going on and

have woken up gagging for air.

they told me I had this at the mayo clinic but when they tested me

over night I had finally got a hotel room that didn't bother me and i

slept well. last summer when my ac broke down and i had to open

windows it got bad again and a cable guy that came to the door took

one look at me and said' you have sleep apnea' he related his with

his sinuses too. he's the one that told me to use canning salt and

distilled water to wash sinuses.

the heat was getting to me bad at this time to and my feet and legs

were swollen to the knees. he noticed this as being part of it. ? he

didn't know anything about toxic molds and didn't know what caused

his sleep apnea. said his doctors had tried many things for it but he

had improved with washing his sinuses. when i notice its back i

usually caugh up dried mucus. i also have noticed a rattleing of

something in my airways, but haven't fiqured out what it is. just

does it while in the still half asleep mode, relaxed mode. sometimes

it does this when i'm not even sleeping just relaxed or on the verge

of sleep.

>

> Has anyone been diagnosed with sleep disorders due to mold? After

> telling my doctors for over a year that I am constantly exhausted

> he decided to send me for a battery of tests, including a sleep

> study, for chronic fatigue. When I set up my sleep study the

center

> seemed a little too anxious to have me. They told me to bring my

> insurance card but it didn't matter what insurance I had because

they

> would give me a paper saying I had a zero balance. Last night when

I

> arrived for the sleep study the technician started talking about my

> return for the therapy - she didn't even know if I had a problem

> yet. When I woke up she told me that I needed to return in two

days

> for therapy (cpap therapy I think it was called). I asked her what

> my disorder was and she said that I was snoring a lot. I find that

> difficult to believe because I frequently share a room/ bed with

> family memebers and they all say that i don't snore. When I told

her

> that, she said well your EEG shows problems in REM sleep which

could

> cause death. WHat a lovely thing to tell someone at 4 A.M. Is she

> even qualified to make these statements? I told her I wanted to

talk

> to the doctor before making a therapy appointment and she said that

> my doctor (mind you my test was on a Sat evening) already said that

> he wants me to get therapy. So I am wondering if there is anything

I

> can do to figure out if they are just trying to make money off of

me

> or if I really have a problem. Or maybe there is a neurological

> problem - I already had encephalpothy (sorry about the spelling)

from

> the mold.

> If I do have a sleep disorder then I will just add it to the

list

> of my mold related illnesses. But I would greatly appreciate

> hearing about anyone elses experiences with such tests and

disorders.

> Usually I would be able to reason this out on my own but my brain

> stopped functioning two years ago. If I am this disabled in my

late

> 20's I am scared about getting old - if I live past this mold

> poisoning. Thank you for all of your help.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks and welcome to the group. this is what this cable guy

had tried. he even bought his own machine but he said you have to

fiqure out the exact air pressure for yourself and he just got

aggervated with it. I share his thoughts that somehow its tied in

with the sinus problems, or brought on by them.

> Has anyone been diagnosed with sleep disorders due to mold?

>

[Guest guest]

13 years ago I started having sleep problems and heart arythmias.

The irregular hearbeat seems to have calmed down but I actually drink

wine to sleep and if I run out, then I have sleep problems. I took

valerian when first started also. All my symptoms that were real

prominant started after moving in my new house 13+ years ago and I

figure b/c I was breathing myco's 24/7 with mold etc. at work

also.Rhonda

--- In , " moldcankill " <moldcankill@...>

wrote:

>

> Has anyone been diagnosed with sleep disorders due to mold? After

> telling my doctors for over a year that I am constantly exhausted

> he decided to send me for a battery of tests, including a sleep

> study, for chronic fatigue. When I set up my sleep study the

center

> seemed a little too anxious to have me. They told me to bring my

> insurance card but it didn't matter what insurance I had because

they

> would give me a paper saying I had a zero balance. Last night when

I

> arrived for the sleep study the technician started talking about my

> return for the therapy - she didn't even know if I had a problem

> yet. When I woke up she told me that I needed to return in two

days

> for therapy (cpap therapy I think it was called). I asked her what

> my disorder was and she said that I was snoring a lot. I find that

> difficult to believe because I frequently share a room/ bed with

> family memebers and they all say that i don't snore. When I told

her

> that, she said well your EEG shows problems in REM sleep which

could

> cause death. WHat a lovely thing to tell someone at 4 A.M. Is she

> even qualified to make these statements? I told her I wanted to

talk

> to the doctor before making a therapy appointment and she said that

> my doctor (mind you my test was on a Sat evening) already said that

> he wants me to get therapy. So I am wondering if there is anything

I

> can do to figure out if they are just trying to make money off of

me

> or if I really have a problem. Or maybe there is a neurological

> problem - I already had encephalpothy (sorry about the spelling)

from

> the mold.

> If I do have a sleep disorder then I will just add it to the

list

> of my mold related illnesses. But I would greatly appreciate

> hearing about anyone elses experiences with such tests and

disorders.

> Usually I would be able to reason this out on my own but my brain

> stopped functioning two years ago. If I am this disabled in my

late

> 20's I am scared about getting old - if I live past this mold

> poisoning. Thank you for all of your help.

>

[Guest guest]

funny how we are all supposed to just be crazy and have no symptoms

or illnesses in common actually do have a lot in common includeing a

lot of bad misdiagnoses.

> >

> > Has anyone been diagnosed with sleep disorders due to mold?

After

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Since mycotoxins affect both your nerves and hormones which both

play a part in sleep, I'd say mold can definately affect sleep.

Having a bad case of Candidas has been shown to cause nervousness

and sleep difficulties and they are type of fungal infection. Also

allergies can affect nerves and your sleep, so I think for sure,

yes. However whether your sleep apnea is enough that mask will

help, you'd have to try it and see. Many people have mild apnea and

it doesn't bother them. They could be seeking money. That's what

it is all about now. I think sleep clinics favorite patients are

sleep apnea patients since it is probably the only easily manageable

sleep problem they have, and you are a constant customer, but see if

it helps. There is no negative side of treatment if you have

insurance to pay for it, it's kind of a question like 'why not'?

--- In , " smarshwar " <smarshwar@...>

wrote:

>

> I am not sure if mold can cause sleep disorders, except that it

can

>

[Guest guest]

When I was living in a moldy situation, I could never sleep well. It wasn't

just one thing, it was a multitude of different things that were making it

impossible to sleep normally. My nose would stop up every single night which

would mean that i would wake up in the middle of the night gasping for air.

On many nights i'd also wake up with my nose and throat burning. My vision

was clouding over, I had incredibly painful headaches. This is just a few,

the list goes on and on.

So I think the question really should be, does mold ever NOT cause sleep

disturbances. Seriously.

The body repairs itself during sleep. This is an absolutely necessary

process. It also imprints memories from short term to long term memory

during sleep.

Animals who are not allowed to sleep for a more than a very few days go

insane and eventually die.

As we all know, many (most, it seems) doctors are incredibly ignorant of the

connections between mold related symptoms because the subject is very

complex and the medical establishment is not helping much. Many would even

go so far as to say that a majority of doctors are apparently fearful to

diagnose that anything is caused by indoor molds or other toxic aspects of

damp buildings, no matter how much evidence there is that points to them as

being unhealthy on multiple levels to people forced to live or work in them.

The sleep situation is a perfect example of how one of these situations

might unfold. The unhealthful effects of not being able to sleep properly

are well documented. The simple fact that moldy buildings cause sleep

problems is also clear to all of us.

Why don't they put two and two together, then? Because they are terrified of

vengeful retribution, it seems.

Is that any way to run a country? How are we supposed to trust these people

to protect us from other dangers?

What else are they not telling us?

By the way, having chronic illnesses can and does often prevent people from

getting jobs.

It also prevents you from getting insurance privately, if you don't have a

job or your job doesn't offer group insurance.

That can and often does have additional life-destroying implications. For

example, most jobs do credit checks on prospective employees, and unpaid

medical bills sends up a big red flag. So, being hit by an 'unexpected'

(BTW, what illnesses ARE expected?) chronic illness can be a body blow that

sends a person who was previously in the middle class and part of society

into a downward health, financial and career spiral that they might never

recover from.

On 1/7/07, moldcankill <moldcankill@...> wrote:

>

> Has anyone been diagnosed with sleep disorders due to mold?

>

[Guest guest]

Another thing I need to add is that getting decent sleep is

all-important. If you are in moldy situation that causes your nose to

stop up badly at night you NEED to insert some fresh air into that

situation. Get a HEPA air cleaner and dilute your moldy indoor air by

sleeping with the windows cracked open even if it makes your space too

cold or hot for comfort.

I wish I had realized this sooner. I had a very long time of it just

getting worse and worse before I realized that the indoor air was

causing this. I really didn't want to realize it. Nobody does.

[Guest guest]

I have sleep disorder and mine was diagnosed before the mold and

before I gained weight (thank predsone for weight gain)

I also have allergies and sinus problems. I had all of these before

the mold exposure. One thing I did not have was the asthma. The

mold seemed to worsen my allergies and other small issues I had going

on but were not a problem. What mold did was take away my life,

before mold, with allergies and all, I could work and I was a hard

worker. Now I can't work...it really hurt my quality of life more

than anything.

About sleep disorders, I would get a second opinion because if you

don't have true sleep apnea, you don't need that added stress of

dealing with the machine. Don't get me wrong, I love my machine now

that I am use to it but if there is really no need for it, there is

no reason to have it!! The folks who did my sleep studies would not

discuss my disorder, they said the doctor would discuss the test

results.

--- In , " moldcankill " <moldcankill@...>

wrote:

>

> Has anyone been diagnosed with sleep disorders due to mold? After

> telling my doctors for over a year that I am constantly exhausted

> he decided to send me for a battery of tests, including a sleep

> study, for chronic fatigue. When I set up my sleep study the

center

> seemed a little too anxious to have me. They told me to bring my

> insurance card but it didn't matter what insurance I had because

they

> would give me a paper saying I had a zero balance. Last night when

I

> arrived for the sleep study the technician started talking about my

> return for the therapy - she didn't even know if I had a problem

> yet. When I woke up she told me that I needed to return in two

days

> for therapy (cpap therapy I think it was called). I asked her what

> my disorder was and she said that I was snoring a lot. I find that

> difficult to believe because I frequently share a room/ bed with

> family memebers and they all say that i don't snore. When I told

her

> that, she said well your EEG shows problems in REM sleep which

could

> cause death. WHat a lovely thing to tell someone at 4 A.M. Is she

> even qualified to make these statements? I told her I wanted to

talk

> to the doctor before making a therapy appointment and she said that

> my doctor (mind you my test was on a Sat evening) already said that

> he wants me to get therapy. So I am wondering if there is anything

I

> can do to figure out if they are just trying to make money off of

me

> or if I really have a problem. Or maybe there is a neurological

> problem - I already had encephalpothy (sorry about the spelling)

from

> the mold.

> If I do have a sleep disorder then I will just add it to the

list

> of my mold related illnesses. But I would greatly appreciate

> hearing about anyone elses experiences with such tests and

disorders.

> Usually I would be able to reason this out on my own but my brain

> stopped functioning two years ago. If I am this disabled in my

late

> 20's I am scared about getting old - if I live past this mold

> poisoning. Thank you for all of your help.

>

[Guest guest]

It's probably our bodies way of telling us that 'this' is not a good

place to be sleeping, by keeping us awake. If it wasn't for all

our 'things', we would probably instinctive try a new place to sleep

if we aren't able to bet rest where we are at. I'm sure we still have

basic instincts that keep us healthy but more and more we ignore these

for more civilized signs like the official weather report, what the

doctor says, etc.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> When I was living in a moldy situation, I could never sleep well. It

wasn't

> just one thing, it was a multitude of different things that were

[Guest guest]

true, many, many things going on.

> >

> > Has anyone been diagnosed with sleep disorders due to mold?

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The doctor told me that my sleep disorder is the result of several

issues. My body seems to be on high-alert at all times because I

have 6 different fungi and a mycotoxin at the cellular level. An

infection of the hypothalamus adds to the problem because my CNS is

totally out of wack. Throw in fear, anger and frustration and you

get sleep disorders.

Having been to numerous doctor's over the past three years, I say

trust your gut. It seems that, for some, humiliation and ridicule

needed to be accompanied with a good dose of financial milking. Good

luck!

>

> Has anyone been diagnosed with sleep disorders due to mold? After

> telling my doctors for over a year that I am constantly exhausted

> he decided to send me for a battery of tests, including a sleep

> study, for chronic fatigue. When I set up my sleep study the

center

> seemed a little too anxious to have me. They told me to bring my

> insurance card but it didn't matter what insurance I had because

they

> would give me a paper saying I had a zero balance. Last night

when I

> arrived for the sleep study the technician started talking about

my

> return for the therapy - she didn't even know if I had a problem

> yet. When I woke up she told me that I needed to return in two

days

> for therapy (cpap therapy I think it was called). I asked her

what

> my disorder was and she said that I was snoring a lot. I find

that

> difficult to believe because I frequently share a room/ bed with

> family memebers and they all say that i don't snore. When I told

her

> that, she said well your EEG shows problems in REM sleep which

could

> cause death. WHat a lovely thing to tell someone at 4 A.M. Is

she

> even qualified to make these statements? I told her I wanted to

talk

> to the doctor before making a therapy appointment and she said

that

> my doctor (mind you my test was on a Sat evening) already said

that

> he wants me to get therapy. So I am wondering if there is

anything I

> can do to figure out if they are just trying to make money off of

me

> or if I really have a problem. Or maybe there is a neurological

> problem - I already had encephalpothy (sorry about the spelling)

from

> the mold.

> If I do have a sleep disorder then I will just add it to the

list

> of my mold related illnesses. But I would greatly appreciate

> hearing about anyone elses experiences with such tests and

disorders.

> Usually I would be able to reason this out on my own but my brain

> stopped functioning two years ago. If I am this disabled in my

late

> 20's I am scared about getting old - if I live past this mold

> poisoning. Thank you for all of your help.

>

[Guest guest]

How did you find out you have an infection of the hypothalmus?

>

> The doctor told me that my sleep disorder is the result of several

> issues. My body seems to be on high-alert at all times because I

> have 6 different fungi and a mycotoxin at the cellular level. An

> infection of the hypothalamus adds to the problem because my CNS is

> totally out of wack. Throw in fear, anger and frustration and you

> get sleep disorders.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Paradoxically, I've found that PIRACETAM helped me sleep when I was going

through the worst of it.

I rarely remember to take it now before sleeping but I've found that it

seems to improve sleep quality

somewhat (because I'm sleeping better now than I have in many many

years..now that I am out of the apartment I got sick in)

Piracetam is a neuroprotective supplement that is also really helpful with

headaches. Look it up.

It's also a great bargain for what it does. Its also been used to treat

epilepsy. It soothes the brain but its not sedating. It just normalizes

things positively.

It won't address breathing problems, like sleep apnea, but it can and does

protect your brain like nothing else under conditions of hypoxia..for

example its been used for climbers and athletes training at high altitudes.

It also improves memory..

Its also very safe..

On 1/10/07, slkycaldwell <slkycaldwell@...> wrote:

>

> The doctor told me that my sleep disorder is the result of several

> issues. My body seems to be on high-alert at all times because I

> have 6 different fungi and a mycotoxin at the cellular level. An

> infection of the hypothalamus adds to the problem because my CNS is

> totally out of wack. Throw in fear, anger and frustration and you

> get sleep disorders.

>

> Having been to numerous doctor's over the past three years, I say

> trust your gut. It seems that, for some, humiliation and ridicule

> needed to be accompanied with a good dose of financial milking. Good

> luck!

>

> --- In <%40>,

> " moldcankill "

>

>

[Guest guest]

Why don't you record yourself sleeping. I think I read of people

doing that when they don't believe they snore. You might have sleep

apnea (spell) and you stop breathing many times during the night when

you have that illness. Alot of people get some kind of sleep

disorder from mold. I know I never can sleep longer than 4 hours at

a time. I have that hyper feeling and I take medication for it, so

it helps. I have some neurological thing.

-- In , " slkycaldwell "

<slkycaldwell@...> wrote:

>

> The doctor told me that my sleep disorder is the result of several

> issues. My body seems to be on high-alert at all times because I

> have 6 different fungi and a mycotoxin at the cellular level. An

> infection of the hypothalamus adds to the problem because my CNS is

> totally out of wack. Throw in fear, anger and frustration and you

> get sleep disorders.

>

> Having been to numerous doctor's over the past three years, I say

> trust your gut. It seems that, for some, humiliation and ridicule

> needed to be accompanied with a good dose of financial milking.

Good

> luck!

>

>

> >

> > Has anyone been diagnosed with sleep disorders due to mold?

After

> > telling my doctors for over a year that I am constantly exhausted

> > he decided to send me for a battery of tests, including a sleep

> > study, for chronic fatigue. When I set up my sleep study the

> center

> > seemed a little too anxious to have me. They told me to bring my

> > insurance card but it didn't matter what insurance I had because

> they

> > would give me a paper saying I had a zero balance. Last night

> when I

> > arrived for the sleep study the technician started talking about

> my

> > return for the therapy - she didn't even know if I had a problem

> > yet. When I woke up she told me that I needed to return in two

> days

> > for therapy (cpap therapy I think it was called). I asked her

> what

> > my disorder was and she said that I was snoring a lot. I find

> that

> > difficult to believe because I frequently share a room/ bed with

> > family memebers and they all say that i don't snore. When I told

> her

> > that, she said well your EEG shows problems in REM sleep which

> could

> > cause death. WHat a lovely thing to tell someone at 4 A.M. Is

> she

> > even qualified to make these statements? I told her I wanted to

> talk

> > to the doctor before making a therapy appointment and she said

> that

> > my doctor (mind you my test was on a Sat evening) already said

> that

> > he wants me to get therapy. So I am wondering if there is

> anything I

> > can do to figure out if they are just trying to make money off of

> me

> > or if I really have a problem. Or maybe there is a neurological

> > problem - I already had encephalpothy (sorry about the spelling)

> from

> > the mold.

> > If I do have a sleep disorder then I will just add it to the

> list

> > of my mold related illnesses. But I would greatly appreciate

> > hearing about anyone elses experiences with such tests and

> disorders.

> > Usually I would be able to reason this out on my own but my brain

> > stopped functioning two years ago. If I am this disabled in my

> late

> > 20's I am scared about getting old - if I live past this mold

> > poisoning. Thank you for all of your help.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Lots of things have helped me but not constantly. Some of them are

Sam-E, sublingual Melatonin, but actually had better results from

sublingual Pregnenolone, which is a precursor of Melatonin and also

affects other hormones that may be suppressed by toxins. The

sublinquals were made by Source Natural. Sam-E helped me to sleep

better and was only thing I've ever taken that also had a positive

affect on my mood.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Paradoxically, I've found that PIRACETAM helped me sleep when I was

going

> through the worst of it.

>

[Guest guest]

....OH, and antihistamines! They have stronger affect if I don't take

them every night though.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Paradoxically, I've found that PIRACETAM helped me sleep when I was

going

>

[Guest guest]

A sleep disorder lab would watch you all night and monitor other

things that could be helpful. This is one thing the medical community

treats without medicine and no equipment used does any harm, no

radiation or anything so no harm done, only helpful if you have it,

but if you are not interested, don't pursue it. You have a better

sense of what you need than doctors do.

--- In , " ldelp84227 " <ldelp84227@...>

wrote:

>

> Why don't you record yourself sleeping. I think I read of people

> doing that when they don't believe they snore.