Re: new to group..need some answers..

[Guest guest]

I thought of one more question this morning. I vacuum daily to try to

keep the dust population down. Will this spread mold spores if they are

in the carpet?

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 05:30:10 +0000

rene_kay <reneewo@...> wrote:

>

--

W.

reneewo@...

Therefore, prepare your minds for action: be self-controlled; set your

hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed.

1 1:13

[Guest guest]

I live in central Indiana.

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W.

reneewo@...

Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling

1 4:9

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group !!! You will get a great of info and help here. Just

about everyone here has been thru what you are going thru. Sorry to hear you

and your family are going thru it now too.

First off what concerns me is that you do see physical mold growth. (or I

should say what you suspect as mold) But, we are going to say it is mold until

you have it tested for the safety and health of your family.

Do you have any friend or relatives or some place you can stay for awhile? If

you suspect mold it would better to get out of there and leave everything behind

(yes everything-not one thing should leave w/you because of cross contamination)

because staying in an environment that has mold can only worsen everyone's

health. Especially if someone is already allergic to molds or experiencing

health issues-sinus infections, headaches, asthma, nose bleeds, exhaustion,

vomiting, flu like symptoms, colds that don't go away and so on.

I have 2 children so know how must be feeling. You mention it will be hard for

your husband to grasp it all. Let me tell you if it is mold, it will be hard

for every family to grasp it all even the children. It is not a lite

undertaking. It is scary & sad for every family member. But, you do get thru

it.

Let's not jump to conclusions though. Take it step by step. First get your

family out of the home. Then have it tested. This is the safer way to do it.

Leave all your stuff there. If you need to take clothes we can help you with

how to take them as safely as possible (but nothing is a guarantee). But for

now we are just trying to get your family safer, and if it is mold lessen the

load on your bodies. Then after the test results come back (shouldn't be more

than a week from the testing date) we can go from there.

It would help us to know what State you are in.

[] new to group..need some answers..

Hi! My name is and I was directed to this list by someone who

has been through problems with mold in her home. Let me tell you a

little bit about myself and the situation our home may be in.

I have not been a healthy person for several years. After years of

frustration, I finally discovered I had food allergies. After

eliminating everything I knew I was allergic to, I started to feel

better. In October of last year, I ended up with a nasty case of

pnuemonia. The week before, my doctor told me I had chronic sinutis. I

thought it was related to the issues I had with food allergies. Well,

by the middle of November, my allergies improved somewhat. I still had

the runny nose, but at least I wasn't sick. About two or three weeks

ago, my food allergy problems worsened. I'm developing more severe

reactions especially to things made from mold (ie vinegar, yeast, etc)

We have suspected that we had mold around a few windows and our patio

door. There are also black spots on our carpet throughout the house

that we suspected were stains. We also suspected mold in one of our

bathrooms (this house was remodeled before we moved in. whoever

remodeled put carpet in the bathroom. My husband tried to take it out

2 years ago but was unable to because it was glued to the floor)

Last Friday while cooking dinner, I noticed that one of the walls in

our kitchen was buckling. I pointed it out to my husband and he

checked it out. When he touched the wall, a piece of drywall (1/4 " )

came off. When he turned it over to look at it, it was covered with

black spots. He wasn't worried.

Since Saturday night, I have found stains in all of our kitchen

cabinets that weren't there before Christmas (2 different walls in our

kitchen). There is mold under the carpet in our hallway (the wood

things holding the carpet to the floor are rotted and black). In

almost every room in the house paint is peeling and there are bumps in

the paint where the ceiling meets the wall. Paint is cracking. I have

found black mold in spots in the other bathroom. There is mold in our

utility room. I've also found what looks like dry rot as well as

passages for termites.

This morning, against my better judgement, I ventured up to the attic.

I never go up there because I am allergic to the fiberglass

insulation. But I was smart enough to cover up, wear a mask and

gloves. I didn't go into the attic, just stood and looked around. Took

pictures with a digital camera. We've got a BIG problem. There is mold

on the ceiling of the attic, in the joints, pretty much everywhere.

The beams with no visible mold looked wet.

Now, before everyone starts to hollar, I know enough to leave

everything alone. I'm not touching or attempting to clean anything up.

My gut feeling is that things are a lot worse than they look. But I'm

a worrier by nature and tend to assume the worst. My husband and I

cannot afford to move and we cannot afford to pay for this. We are

stretched thin as it is. But I am concerned about my family's health

(and my stress level).

I could use some advice and some help with questions I have.

1. How do I approach my husband with all this. He has no idea how bad

things look. And once he is presented with something, it takes him

awhile to digest it and think it through. I need practical suggestions

on how to present this. I will print all answers I get and make sure

he gets to read them.

2. I know in my heart that I should have pressed the issue and moved

out over the weekend. But I need to hear from experts or be directed

to websites on what to do.

3. I want to salvage as much as I can so we don't have to buy a lot

later. Is this possible? If it is, what can I do to salvage clothing?

Dishes? Pictures? Antiques (this one's gonna really hurt if I lose the

kitchen table)? Books?

4. Should I take the kids to the doctor to have them checked out? My

oldest has mold allergies like I do.

5. My aunt suggested we hire an inspector to go through our home to

see if he can find more damage and make suggestions? Is this feasible?

6. Can you direct me to websites that will tell me about the adverse

health affects mold will have on us if it's not dealt with?

7. I know we have to have a professional clean up everything. Where do

I look?

If you can think of anything I missed, please let me know. Again any

replies I get will be printed so my husband can read them.

TIA,

Wohlfarth

reneewo@...

[Guest guest]

Yes it will and if you have mold in your home the spores are everywhere.

Here is an easy way to remember I was given this example and it helped me grasp

the spore stuff.

Spores are like dust. Dust can get just about anywhere and is on everything in

our homes unless they are air tight sealed. They also travel like dust if you

can see dust in the air, spores are there too.

So for now I wouldn't worry about the dust. I would worry about the spores which

are far more dangerous than dust.

Re: [] new to group..need some answers..

I thought of one more question this morning. I vacuum daily to try to

keep the dust population down. Will this spread mold spores if they are

in the carpet?

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 05:30:10 +0000

rene_kay <reneewo@...> wrote:

>

--

W.

reneewo@...

Therefore, prepare your minds for action: be self-controlled; set your

hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed.

1 1:13

[Guest guest]

Okay, Next question..

Where can I find someone that tests for the mold? Are there reliable

tests available that I can do?

For the home inspection, I understand that I need to find someone who

actually crawls around and really looks at things. But do I just go to

any person with a license to do home inspection?

> Let's not jump to conclusions though. Take it step by step. First

> get your family out of the home. Then have it tested. This is the

> safer way to do it.

--

W.

reneewo@...

Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling

1 4:9

[Guest guest]

My best advice to you is GET OUT! Stay wherever you can until the situation

can be fully evaluated. You will probably start to feel somewhat better

right away, and that will be very good information.

--

" But the blindness of superiority continues in spite of all and upholds the

belief that vast regions everywhere on our planet should develop and mature

to the level of present day Western systems which in theory are the best and

in practice the most attractive. " Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

[Guest guest]

I know two really good inspectors. Even if they are not in your area they

may be able to tell you who to call. Where do you live?

Sue

Okay, Next question..

Where can I find someone that tests for the mold? Are there reliable

tests available that I can do?

For the home inspection, I understand that I need to find someone who

actually crawls around and really looks at things. But do I just go to

any person with a license to do home inspection?

[Guest guest]

,

There really are NO reliable tests you can do yourself. I have heard people of

using the mold plates at Home Depot. However, these are VERY unreliable. I

can't even think of a situation where anyone would really want to even use these

if they had concerns of mold, unless they were just wanting to see what they

do. You really need to use a professional service.

I don't personally know of anyone in your area who I would recommend. You could

start w/ www.iaqa.com . But, still you need to ask questions. What are their

certifications/licenses, how long have they been doing it, references if they

are willing. Maybe someone here has some other suggestions or may know someone

in your state. It is always hard to find a really good reputable inspector.

Remember, your inspector cannot tell you YES this is mold. The words used

should be similar to " this could be suspect mold. " No one can tell you just by

looking nor can they tell you what type. They can say it looks suspect to such

and such but we'll need to test it to be sure. If you feel an area is suspect

mold make sure to point that out to them and allow them to investigate by

pulling back a piece if they need to.

Hope this helps some.

Re: [] new to group..need some answers..

Okay, Next question..

Where can I find someone that tests for the mold? Are there reliable

tests available that I can do?

For the home inspection, I understand that I need to find someone who

actually crawls around and really looks at things. But do I just go to

any person with a license to do home inspection?

> Let's not jump to conclusions though. Take it step by step. First

> get your family out of the home. Then have it tested. This is the

> safer way to do it.

--

W.

reneewo@...

Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling

1 4:9

[Guest guest]

,

If you are just going to do one test, yourself, this new QPCR one at the URL

below looks like a good one. The test does what is called QPCR (qualitative

PCR - and then the results are statistically analyzed to give you a

'relative moldiness index', among other things..

It costs around $250 but that seems like a bargain seeing what data it gives

you. It would give you an average of what kind of mold was in your house,

over time..

You would use a vacumn cleaner to collect dust and send it in. (They analyze

mold in the dust genetically and then they can actually specify what species

are contained in the sample)

http://www.aerotechpk.com/AnalyticalServices/ERMI.aspx

There are other things you could do, but they would not be as good and would

cost much more.. For example if you did spore testing, its just a sample at

one time.. and it doesn't show stachybotrys unless the stachy is

sporulating.. Old stachy would not show.. but it could be making the place

very unhealthy regardless..

Actually, there are so many problems with air testing. It can show that

there IS a problem, but it can't show that there isn't a problem.. can you

follow that?

This QPCR test looks much more useful..

On 1/27/07, ssr3351@... <ssr3351@...> wrote:

>

>

> I know two really good inspectors. Even if they are not in your area they

> may be able to tell you who to call. Where do you live?

> Sue

>

> Okay, Next question..

>

> Where can I find someone that tests for the mold? Are there reliable

> tests available that I can do?

>

> For the home inspection, I understand that I need to find someone who

> actually crawls around and really looks at things. But do I just go to

> any person with a license to do home inspection?

>

>

[Guest guest]

QPCR is one method to use. It is not new. I attended IESO school 4 years ago

and they had already been using this for sometime. At the time they told us to

use it for allergen testing only, but to never use it to test for mold. Now

that it has been brought to my attention they are using it for mold testing, I

will have to inquire about what has changed. Can't figure out why it is $250.00

But, for another $100-200.00 you can have an inspector come out.

Yes, air quality testing is not always perfect. But, most of us are not blessed

to have inspectors as good as Carl. Air sampling can give you a good idea if

you have a problem if done properly and under the correct circumstances.

However, a good inspector will not rely upon this method only. Some homes do

not have signs of mold anywhere such as mine. As a matter of fact I had out 3

inspectors who insisted not to do any sampling as there was not any problem w/my

home. Then I found one of the best in our area. He suggested air sampling and

lifts. He had been doing this for years and said our home was one of the worst

he had ever seen when the results came back. There were not any physical signs

until walls were torn out. So the only way to do it at the time was lifts and

air sampling or tearing the house apart.

I can see instances where this QPCR would not work that well either, as IAQ must

have at one time. No one thing is perfect. If you are going to use this method

you'd want to use a HEPA vac. They even told us in classes that even w/allergen

testing you need to use a HEPA vac. So I am sure when dealing w/mold you'd want

to use one. Also, don't forget the mask.

Also from my experience air sampling can show there isn't a problem when there

is. That is what you use a good inspector for. They know the steps to take and

inspect. Carl doesn't from my understanding use air sampling method because

there are other ways of finding and identifying problems. He is a qualified

experienced inspector. However, the Carls are few and far between.

With all sampling methods you must also remember that it must be done properly.

It is not just as easy as 123. There are steps that need to be taken or the

results will be wrong. Even w/air sampling, tape lifts and so forth. So, yes

you can do them yourself. But, when peoples lives are at stake they better be

sure they are doing it 100% correct. One mistake can make any method have false

results and a family alot of heartache.

That's why it is so hard to find good inspectors. A good majority of them just

don't follow the proper protocol. Which makes it bad for the inspectors who do.

Re: [] new to group..need some answers..

,

If you are just going to do one test, yourself, this new QPCR one at the URL

below looks like a good one. The test does what is called QPCR (qualitative

PCR - and then the results are statistically analyzed to give you a

'relative moldiness index', among other things..

It costs around $250 but that seems like a bargain seeing what data it gives

you. It would give you an average of what kind of mold was in your house,

over time..

You would use a vacumn cleaner to collect dust and send it in. (They analyze

mold in the dust genetically and then they can actually specify what species

are contained in the sample)

http://www.aerotechpk.com/AnalyticalServices/ERMI.aspx

There are other things you could do, but they would not be as good and would

cost much more.. For example if you did spore testing, its just a sample at

one time.. and it doesn't show stachybotrys unless the stachy is

sporulating.. Old stachy would not show.. but it could be making the place

very unhealthy regardless..

Actually, there are so many problems with air testing. It can show that

there IS a problem, but it can't show that there isn't a problem.. can you

follow that?

This QPCR test looks much more useful..

On 1/27/07, ssr3351@... <ssr3351@...> wrote:

>

>

> I know two really good inspectors. Even if they are not in your area they

> may be able to tell you who to call. Where do you live?

> Sue

>

> Okay, Next question..

>

> Where can I find someone that tests for the mold? Are there reliable

> tests available that I can do?

>

> For the home inspection, I understand that I need to find someone who

> actually crawls around and really looks at things. But do I just go to

> any person with a license to do home inspection?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not trying to start an issue here. Basically, there is no full proof method

that I know of. We are talking to a newbie who already see's what she suspects

to be mold.

Under no circumstances would I be comfortable telling her to try and test it

herself. She is just beginning to learn about this. Her families lives are at

stake. She doesn't know what to expect. She will have to interpret the lab

results, then if she does make one mistake while sampling the results can be

altered. The test results don't come back and say you have a problem. They

have #'s, codes that are even confusing to me sometimes. Also, the dust check

(QPCR) would seem to me that it might show a positive because of the dirt and

dust that falls off of peoples shoes carrying mold from outside, house plants

dirt falling to the floor, animals bringing it on their fur. When maybe there

is no problem at all.

Yes, for those of us who are somewhat knowledgeable and those who are very

knowledgeable it might be alright. Heck I am certified and I still have a

professional come in once a year just to double check my own inspection incase I

did miss something. I won't put my families lives at risk by just relying on my

own ability. But, I have an awesome inspector in my area.

But once again this is just me. I am in the industry and hear the horror

stories of victims who did try to test themselves. Messed them up and now are

having their lives ruined. I have been asked to step in & help when test

results are negative and we are looking at something that is truly suspect mold

positive. Usually, it was a mistake made during the sampling that contaminated

it, or the incorrect type of sampling for the circumstances. So, for me to tell

someone to do it themselves there is no way. I won't be responsible for another

family going thru what all of us are.

But, it is nice to share the info. w/others. I learned something from

LiveSimply's post. Not to sure about it, but now I will have to get mine out

and give it to one of my inspector buddies and have him start doing comparisons.

Also, will have to see why the heck it is now $250.00.

Re: [] new to group..need some answers..

,

If you are just going to do one test, yourself, this new QPCR one at the URL

below looks like a good one. The test does what is called QPCR (qualitative

PCR - and then the results are statistically analyzed to give you a

'relative moldiness index', among other things..

It costs around $250 but that seems like a bargain seeing what data it gives

you. It would give you an average of what kind of mold was in your house,

over time..

You would use a vacumn cleaner to collect dust and send it in. (They analyze

mold in the dust genetically and then they can actually specify what species

are contained in the sample)

http://www.aerotechpk.com/AnalyticalServices/ERMI.aspx

There are other things you could do, but they would not be as good and would

cost much more.. For example if you did spore testing, its just a sample at

one time.. and it doesn't show stachybotrys unless the stachy is

sporulating.. Old stachy would not show.. but it could be making the place

very unhealthy regardless..

Actually, there are so many problems with air testing. It can show that

there IS a problem, but it can't show that there isn't a problem.. can you

follow that?

This QPCR test looks much more useful..

On 1/27/07, ssr3351@... <ssr3351@...> wrote:

>

>

> I know two really good inspectors. Even if they are not in your area they

> may be able to tell you who to call. Where do you live?

> Sue

>

> Okay, Next question..

>

> Where can I find someone that tests for the mold? Are there reliable

> tests available that I can do?

>

> For the home inspection, I understand that I need to find someone who

> actually crawls around and really looks at things. But do I just go to

> any person with a license to do home inspection?

>

>

[Guest guest]

The price on having an inspector come and test must vary substantially from

area to area. In our (urban)area, the quality labs all wanted $2000 or more

to send a person out. That is par for the course so we figured, we should

get the most credible, professional lab we could. So we hired the lab that

the city we lived in used for their environmental work. And they were very

helpful from day one, very professional and they also sent a very good

person.

And they took bulk samples, tape lifts and did spore testing with those air

pump cartridges. Even though it was a calm day and also was the morning and

the mold was always worse later in the day or when the wind was blowing from

the east or gusty and we were not able to turn off our HEPA filter unit or

shut the windows for very long because we didn't want to have to spend $200

a night to go stay in a hotel and we could not breathe that stuff, the

readings were still very high. Because the problem there was very bad.

Their report contained good instructions. But the instructions involved the

entire building, not just our apartment and our landlord ignored them for a

long time, then after we sent them letter after letter demanding a response

they replied but at the same time sent guys over to break up the visible

mold and strew it all around where the water would get it. That was their

revenge on us for forcing them to admit that they had it, First, for quite a

while, they wouldn't even acknowledge receiving the report.

That was their game, to pretend they didn't know anything. It seems to work

as they have done this to a lot of people (according to court records we

have seen..filings by other victims of their 'business practices')

[Guest guest]

Live,

Yes we do need better standards. Where do you live. I have spoken w/inspectors

from all over the US and have never heard of an reputable inspector charging

that in the beginning.

Yes, if you contact an inspection that is not reputable and have no idea what to

expect they will charge you for every kind of test there is so they can make

money. Same w/labs. The are only a handful of good labs. Yes, some charge you

many times more than they should.

It doesn't matter much where you are in the US. It is important to have a bit

of knowledge and guidance before calling anyone. So that you don't get charged

$2000.00 for something that should only be $500.00. I have heard of this time

and time again. It sickens me.

But, that is why this group is here. To help victims. If they are needing

their home tested to guide them the steps of how to go about it. To give them

some knowledge so they can make an informed phone call to find an inspector so

they have a bit of the upper hand. Instead of the inspection company having the

full upper hand. Being able to tell them anything and charge them anything. If

they call an inspection company they can tell the inspection exactly what they

would like to start w/instead of the inspection company telling them they have

to do 60 tests in a private home. There is no need IMOP and many other

inspectors I have spoken w/to do tons of testing in a home for someone that is

just trying to find out if they have a problem. Yes, if there is a problem then

you will need to spend more money if you can see no suspect areas. But, you

will also have to do this if you do the testing yourself and find a positive.

I do know of a family that tested their home themselves after I had discouraged

them from doing so. I knew they had suspect mold. Lab results came back

negative. They called and gave me the news. I tried again to ask how they

conducted the testing, and encouraged them to have a professional come in. They

said they followed the instructions and they were satisfied. 6 months later

their baby ended up in the hospital because she couldn't breath. Poor baby went

thru test after test. In and out of the hospital for months. By now they were

all sick. I again encouraged them to have the home tested by a professional

after I had asked them step by step to tell me how they did the self testing.

They had infact made several critical mistakes that they wouldn't have known

they made, because it wasn't mentioned in the instructions. FINALLY they

agreed. Since the doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong w/the baby. I made

some calls. They had the home tested. 6 samples-$550.00 Yes, they had mold

and the counts were very high. But, I am sure they would have been less months

ago if it were done properly. Now, the baby was severely ill and mom and dad

were sick now too. Can you imagine the guilt they feel? I can. Had they done

it properly their baby wouldn't have been close to death. But, they thought

they did. They didn't know any better.

Yes, I understand that saving money is always good. I encourage that w/being

informed and knowing what you need when having an inspection. There is no need

to spend thousands of dollars anywhere in the US. There are good inspectors in

every state.

Some do it yourself tests are great for maintainanc. But, if you see physical

suspect mold or your families lives are at risk I never suggest doing it

yourself. Unless you are willing to spend the $ if it comes back negative to

have a company come out and do a follow up. But, I have lived the hell of

having sick kids. I would NEVER wish that on anyone. There is NO amount of

money that can replace my children's lives or ours. No, I don't have alot of

money. I am pretty much broke like the rest of you. But, if I thought I had

suspect mold there is no way I would do it myself. Even though I have the

training, equipment, and ability to do so. I might do an initial, but would for

sure have have a second opinion.

Re: [] new to group..need some answers..

The price on having an inspector come and test must vary substantially from

area to area. In our (urban)area, the quality labs all wanted $2000 or more

to send a person out. That is par for the course so we figured, we should

get the most credible, professional lab we could. So we hired the lab that

the city we lived in used for their environmental work. And they were very

helpful from day one, very professional and they also sent a very good

person.

And they took bulk samples, tape lifts and did spore testing with those air

pump cartridges. Even though it was a calm day and also was the morning and

the mold was always worse later in the day or when the wind was blowing from

the east or gusty and we were not able to turn off our HEPA filter unit or

shut the windows for very long because we didn't want to have to spend $200

a night to go stay in a hotel and we could not breathe that stuff, the

readings were still very high. Because the problem there was very bad.

Their report contained good instructions. But the instructions involved the

entire building, not just our apartment and our landlord ignored them for a

long time, then after we sent them letter after letter demanding a response

they replied but at the same time sent guys over to break up the visible

mold and strew it all around where the water would get it. That was their

revenge on us for forcing them to admit that they had it, First, for quite a

while, they wouldn't even acknowledge receiving the report.

That was their game, to pretend they didn't know anything. It seems to work

as they have done this to a lot of people (according to court records we

have seen..filings by other victims of their 'business practices')

[Guest guest]

,

I think that you are making some good points, but I disagree with some of

the things you said. I think you are looking at this from the perspective of

a mold inspector and not from the perspective of a mold victim who has

probably lost their job and is very tight for money as we were and still

are. I was desperate to make the money we spent count. I thought that by

spending that money, we would get a persuasive, credible argument that would

force our landlord to actually clean up our situation. I didn't realize that

once I got as sick as I was going to get, I would be as sensitive as I am

now or how MUCH that would end up changing my life. Who does...

So, I was going by the recommendations that I received from a number of

people, lawyers, mostly, but also some public health professionals. None of

those people had been through this. They were small businesspeople and they

needed to make money. I could see that a lot of them had been shafted by

clients, especially renters. (Renter clients probably are between a rock and

a hard place when the inspection report, nomatter how incriminating it is,

DOESN'T end up in their rented place getting cleaned up to the point where

they can stay and then they HAVE to move and probably paying the mold

inspector is low on the list of 'things they NEED to do to avoid becoming

homeless and end up living in a cardboard box')

There were some independent mold inspectprs who quoted us a (slightly) lower

price, but they qualified that by then saying that that was a minimum price,

and the contracts they wanted us to sign were scary - open ended, and I

could see that once they got to our apartment they would quite probably need

to charge us more, and at that point we would be seriously over a barrel.

(Actually, a little later on - that is exactly what happened - with a

different company - when we needed to hire someone very fast to document

something else.. the only company we could find on such short notice DID try

to put us over a barrel, but thats another story..)

That is why I decided - at te beginning - to go with the reputable lab that

let us explain the situation to them in advance in detail and get a FIXED,

UPFRONT charge that we knew would be the cost.

And it was. They were very professional. I just wish that our (now ex)

landlord would have had the common sense to take their recommendations

seriously instead of seeing us as the problem....

[Guest guest]

Excuse me!!!!!!!!!!! Have you forgotten who I am? Where my family

came from. Let me remind you quickly. You lost an apartment. I

lost a 2200 sq ft home. We lost every belonging. 40 years worth.

We almost lost our children. Not that the loss is any different,

but you better make sure before attacking me you got the facts. Now

you've insulted me and I feel attacked. I have been on this board

for years. This will surprise many here. But I tried to stop this

earlier in a previous post. But, guess someone couldn't let it go.

So now I'm off:

You can disagree all you want. Don't EVER accuse me of coming at

this from a professional point of view. I do not do this for a

living and never have. I don't inspect homes for a living either.

I got my education so that I could help inform people who have no

idea how to hire a reputable company. What they should look for in

testing, and how to go about. Also, I have worked hard to test

victims homes-FOR FREE! I have worked w/school districts for FREE

to help them get good inspections, and qualified people. And YES we

have fired and not hired many. I also did it so I could make

informed decisions in my own home incase I needed it again.

I pride myself w/being able to save people the agony we went thru.

I have worked w/many people. I have gotten inspections companies to

donate services. I have gotten families free bedding, clothes,

hotel rooms, food, phone cards and so forth from large retailers.

Not one time did I get paid as a " professional. " Yes, I can be a

professional at anytime. But, have never chosen to. If I did it

could sway my thinking. My thinking is NEVER swayed. My thoughts

are ALWAYS there to safe guard the victims and their families.

Do you any idea how many inspection companies have called me asking

me to refer them from all over the US? Of course you don't. I'll

tell you. Over 200. Out of that 200, I will only recommend about

10. Why? Because they want to charge victims prices like they tried

to charge you. When there is no need for that.

I think you are coming to this topic a bitter/angry victim. Who has

hard feelings against inspection companies. They have tried to scam

you. You didn't have this group when you were looking for help did

you? If so I would have been happy to help guide you and get you a

reputable inspection company. I have done it for many not just here

on the board but from referrals in many States. I do this ALL for

FREE. Also, you are dealing w/an apartment complex. That is

totally different than a home. You don't think that inspection

company knows they are going to benefit from the entire complex?

Sure they will. A private home is a totally different ball park in

some ways.

If you are willing to put another families lives at risk by telling

them to do their own testing-that " s great for you. Let their lives

rest on your hands and heart.

I went and got the education. Got the certification. Worked

w/inspectors. Educate myself daily. Why? So I can help victims

save themselves and their families from mis-information that can

hurt their families. I have worked w/victims who have been mis-

informed about testing. (already shared one experience w/you) That

experience was enough for me. If I hear someone sharing a view that

could endanger a family, I am going to say so. You can come up

against me everytime. Knock yourself out. But, in the long run I

will NEVER recommend anyone test their own home when they know they

have a problem. I will not have the guilt of another families mis-

fortune on my shoulders.

Now I will not continue this conversation any further. I tried to

stop it earlier. But you just wouldn't let it go. Now I have

responded to a personal attack on myself. Make sure next time you

intend on attacking someone you are sure that you are correct in

your attack.

DONE!

KELLY

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> ,

>

> I think that you are making some good points, but I disagree with

some of

> the things you said. I think you are looking at this from the

perspective of

> a mold inspector and not from the perspective of a mold victim who

has

> probably lost their job and is very tight for money as we were and

still

> are. I was desperate to make the money we spent count. I thought

that by

> spending that money, we would get a persuasive, credible argument

that would

> force our landlord to actually clean up our situation. I didn't

realize that

> once I got as sick as I was going to get, I would be as sensitive

as I am

> now or how MUCH that would end up changing my life. Who does...

>

> So, I was going by the recommendations that I received from a

number of

> people, lawyers, mostly, but also some public health

professionals. None of

> those people had been through this. They were small businesspeople

and they

> needed to make money. I could see that a lot of them had been

shafted by

> clients, especially renters. (Renter clients probably are between

a rock and

> a hard place when the inspection report, nomatter how

incriminating it is,

> DOESN'T end up in their rented place getting cleaned up to the

point where

> they can stay and then they HAVE to move and probably paying the

mold

> inspector is low on the list of 'things they NEED to do to avoid

becoming

> homeless and end up living in a cardboard box')

>

> There were some independent mold inspectprs who quoted us a

(slightly) lower

> price, but they qualified that by then saying that that was a

minimum price,

> and the contracts they wanted us to sign were scary - open ended,

and I

> could see that once they got to our apartment they would quite

probably need

> to charge us more, and at that point we would be seriously over a

barrel.

> (Actually, a little later on - that is exactly what happened -

with a

> different company - when we needed to hire someone very fast to

document

> something else.. the only company we could find on such short

notice DID try

> to put us over a barrel, but thats another story..)

>

> That is why I decided - at te beginning - to go with the reputable

lab that

> let us explain the situation to them in advance in detail and get

a FIXED,

> UPFRONT charge that we knew would be the cost.

>

> And it was. They were very professional. I just wish that our (now

ex)

> landlord would have had the common sense to take their

recommendations

> seriously instead of seeing us as the problem....

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Time to watch Life Time TV!!!! The REAL TV, made for women and about

women!

> >

> > ,

> >

> > I think that you are making some good points, but I disagree with

> some of

> > the things you said. I think you are looking at this from the

> perspective of

> > a mold inspector and not from the perspective of a mold victim

who

> has

> > probably lost their job and is very tight for money as we were

and

> still

> > are. I was desperate to make the money we spent count. I thought

> that by

> > spending that money, we would get a persuasive, credible argument

> that would

> > force our landlord to actually clean up our situation. I didn't

> realize that

> > once I got as sick as I was going to get, I would be as sensitive

> as I am

> > now or how MUCH that would end up changing my life. Who does...

> >

> > So, I was going by the recommendations that I received from a

> number of

> > people, lawyers, mostly, but also some public health

> professionals. None of

> > those people had been through this. They were small

businesspeople

> and they

> > needed to make money. I could see that a lot of them had been

> shafted by

> > clients, especially renters. (Renter clients probably are between

> a rock and

> > a hard place when the inspection report, nomatter how

> incriminating it is,

> > DOESN'T end up in their rented place getting cleaned up to the

> point where

> > they can stay and then they HAVE to move and probably paying the

> mold

> > inspector is low on the list of 'things they NEED to do to avoid

> becoming

> > homeless and end up living in a cardboard box')

> >

> > There were some independent mold inspectprs who quoted us a

> (slightly) lower

> > price, but they qualified that by then saying that that was a

> minimum price,

> > and the contracts they wanted us to sign were scary - open ended,

> and I

> > could see that once they got to our apartment they would quite

> probably need

> > to charge us more, and at that point we would be seriously over a

> barrel.

> > (Actually, a little later on - that is exactly what happened -

> with a

> > different company - when we needed to hire someone very fast to

> document

> > something else.. the only company we could find on such short

> notice DID try

> > to put us over a barrel, but thats another story..)

> >

> > That is why I decided - at te beginning - to go with the

reputable

> lab that

> > let us explain the situation to them in advance in detail and get

> a FIXED,

> > UPFRONT charge that we knew would be the cost.

> >

> > And it was. They were very professional. I just wish that our

(now

> ex)

> > landlord would have had the common sense to take their

> recommendations

> > seriously instead of seeing us as the problem....

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

I want to thank you for all you have done, even moreso than what I

was aware of. I know how hard you have worked to educate yourself,

not only for your family, but for others to benefit. What most

people don't understand is that many of us that have been affected,

or a loved one, and have struggled in the beginning for

recognition,not only for ourselves but for many others for a true

diagnoses and treatment this has not been for any compensation. I

know for a fact many of the professionals out there because of their

line of work, have to be compensated for their time and material,

but at the same time many do not realize how often they go above and

beyond their call of duty, alot of the work they perform is

volunteered, and much more. In order to do this you take away from

your own family for the sake of others.

I guess you might say it is in our blood, and many of the

professionals are fed up with the unnecessary suffering and the

destruction of lives that has been taking place for so many years. I

have to speak for myself here, it is an obsession for good reason,

and takes up almost all my time. Am I complaining, No way, and it

will continue to be this way until our medical institutions change

their ways.

Though they may be hard to come by there are some real good people

still in this world offering to help free of charge, but it can't

always be that way.

LiveSimply, to save yourself some embarrassment next time, you might

want to ask some questions instead of assuming. When I read your

response I knew what was coming, because I've known for about

4 years now. I say this with a grin on my face, not to demean you in

any way.

, with all that you have been through you continuously reach

out to others especially behind the scenes, more than I care to

mention.

Thanks,

KC

> >

> > ,

> >

> > I think that you are making some good points, but I disagree

with

> some of

> > the things you said. I think you are looking at this from the

> perspective of

> > a mold inspector and not from the perspective of a mold victim

who

> has

> > probably lost their job and is very tight for money as we were

and

> still

> > are. I was desperate to make the money we spent count. I thought

> that by

> > spending that money, we would get a persuasive, credible

argument

> that would

> > force our landlord to actually clean up our situation. I didn't

> realize that

> > once I got as sick as I was going to get, I would be as

sensitive

> as I am

> > now or how MUCH that would end up changing my life. Who does...

> >

> > So, I was going by the recommendations that I received from a

> number of

> > people, lawyers, mostly, but also some public health

> professionals. None of

> > those people had been through this. They were small

businesspeople

> and they

> > needed to make money. I could see that a lot of them had been

> shafted by

> > clients, especially renters. (Renter clients probably are

between

> a rock and

> > a hard place when the inspection report, nomatter how

> incriminating it is,

> > DOESN'T end up in their rented place getting cleaned up to the

> point where

> > they can stay and then they HAVE to move and probably paying the

> mold

> > inspector is low on the list of 'things they NEED to do to avoid

> becoming

> > homeless and end up living in a cardboard box')

> >

> > There were some independent mold inspectprs who quoted us a

> (slightly) lower

> > price, but they qualified that by then saying that that was a

> minimum price,

> > and the contracts they wanted us to sign were scary - open

ended,

> and I

> > could see that once they got to our apartment they would quite

> probably need

> > to charge us more, and at that point we would be seriously over

a

> barrel.

> > (Actually, a little later on - that is exactly what happened -

> with a

> > different company - when we needed to hire someone very fast to

> document

> > something else.. the only company we could find on such short

> notice DID try

> > to put us over a barrel, but thats another story..)

> >

> > That is why I decided - at te beginning - to go with the

reputable

> lab that

> > let us explain the situation to them in advance in detail and

get

> a FIXED,

> > UPFRONT charge that we knew would be the cost.

> >

> > And it was. They were very professional. I just wish that our

(now

> ex)

> > landlord would have had the common sense to take their

> recommendations

> > seriously instead of seeing us as the problem....

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sounds good to me.

[] Re: new to group..need some answers..

Time to watch Life Time TV!!!! The REAL TV, made for women and about

women!

> >

> > ,

> >

> > I think that you are making some good points, but I disagree with

> some of

> > the things you said. I think you are looking at this from the

> perspective of

> > a mold inspector and not from the perspective of a mold victim

who

> has

> > probably lost their job and is very tight for money as we were

and

> still

> > are. I was desperate to make the money we spent count. I thought

> that by

> > spending that money, we would get a persuasive, credible argument

> that would

> > force our landlord to actually clean up our situation. I didn't

> realize that

> > once I got as sick as I was going to get, I would be as sensitive

> as I am

> > now or how MUCH that would end up changing my life. Who does...

> >

> > So, I was going by the recommendations that I received from a

> number of

> > people, lawyers, mostly, but also some public health

> professionals. None of

> > those people had been through this. They were small

businesspeople

> and they

> > needed to make money. I could see that a lot of them had been

> shafted by

> > clients, especially renters. (Renter clients probably are between

> a rock and

> > a hard place when the inspection report, nomatter how

> incriminating it is,

> > DOESN'T end up in their rented place getting cleaned up to the

> point where

> > they can stay and then they HAVE to move and probably paying the

> mold

> > inspector is low on the list of 'things they NEED to do to avoid

> becoming

> > homeless and end up living in a cardboard box')

> >

> > There were some independent mold inspectprs who quoted us a

> (slightly) lower

> > price, but they qualified that by then saying that that was a

> minimum price,

> > and the contracts they wanted us to sign were scary - open ended,

> and I

> > could see that once they got to our apartment they would quite

> probably need

> > to charge us more, and at that point we would be seriously over a

> barrel.

> > (Actually, a little later on - that is exactly what happened -

> with a

> > different company - when we needed to hire someone very fast to

> document

> > something else.. the only company we could find on such short

> notice DID try

> > to put us over a barrel, but thats another story..)

> >

> > That is why I decided - at te beginning - to go with the

reputable

> lab that

> > let us explain the situation to them in advance in detail and get

> a FIXED,

> > UPFRONT charge that we knew would be the cost.

> >

> > And it was. They were very professional. I just wish that our

(now

> ex)

> > landlord would have had the common sense to take their

> recommendations

> > seriously instead of seeing us as the problem....

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry, I went back through my post and I didn't mean it the way it

sounded. No, I didn't realize your story, I'm sorry.

BTW, I only had a bad experience with one very non-professional co. But it

was when we really needed their help and they knew it.

MANY more people, real professionals from many places have helped us.. given

us good advice. But they - we - can only do so much without standards

because in the final analysis, without that its very hard. Bad people are

just laughing at us.. and lots of people are getting sick.. where is that

light at the end of the tunnel?

On 1/28/07, vbrk123 <vbrk@...> wrote:

>

> Excuse me!!!!!!!!!!! Have you forgotten who I am? Where my family

> came from. Let me remind you quickly. You lost an apartment. I

> lost a 2200 sq ft home. We lost every belonging. 40 years worth.

> We almost lost our children. Not that the loss is any different,

> but you better make sure before attacking me you got the facts. Now

> you've insulted me and I feel attacked. I have been on this board

> for years. This will surprise many here. But I tried to stop this

> earlier in a previous post. But, guess someone couldn't let it go.

> So now I'm off:

>

> You can disagree all you want. Don't EVER accuse me of coming at

> this from a professional point of view. I do not do this for a

> living and never have. I don't inspect homes for a living either.

> I got my education so that I could help inform people who have no

> idea how to hire a reputable company. What they should look for in

> testing, and how to go about. Also, I have worked hard to test

> victims homes-FOR FREE! I have worked w/school districts for FREE

> to help them get good inspections, and qualified people. And YES we

> have fired and not hired many. I also did it so I could make

> informed decisions in my own home incase I needed it again.

>

> I pride myself w/being able to save people the agony we went thru.

> I have worked w/many people. I have gotten inspections companies to

> donate services. I have gotten families free bedding, clothes,

> hotel rooms, food, phone cards and so forth from large retailers.

> Not one time did I get paid as a " professional. " Yes, I can be a

> professional at anytime. But, have never chosen to. If I did it

> could sway my thinking. My thinking is NEVER swayed. My thoughts

> are ALWAYS there to safe guard the victims and their families.

>

> Do you any idea how many inspection companies have called me asking

> me to refer them from all over the US? Of course you don't. I'll

> tell you. Over 200. Out of that 200, I will only recommend about

> 10. Why? Because they want to charge victims prices like they tried

> to charge you. When there is no need for that.

>

> I think you are coming to this topic a bitter/angry victim. Who has

> hard feelings against inspection companies. They have tried to scam

> you. You didn't have this group when you were looking for help did

> you? If so I would have been happy to help guide you and get you a

> reputable inspection company. I have done it for many not just here

> on the board but from referrals in many States. I do this ALL for

> FREE. Also, you are dealing w/an apartment complex. That is

> totally different than a home. You don't think that inspection

> company knows they are going to benefit from the entire complex?

> Sure they will. A private home is a totally different ball park in

> some ways.

>

> If you are willing to put another families lives at risk by telling

> them to do their own testing-that " s great for you. Let their lives

> rest on your hands and heart.

>

> I went and got the education. Got the certification. Worked

> w/inspectors. Educate myself daily. Why? So I can help victims

> save themselves and their families from mis-information that can

> hurt their families. I have worked w/victims who have been mis-

> informed about testing. (already shared one experience w/you) That

> experience was enough for me. If I hear someone sharing a view that

> could endanger a family, I am going to say so. You can come up

> against me everytime. Knock yourself out. But, in the long run I

> will NEVER recommend anyone test their own home when they know they

> have a problem. I will not have the guilt of another families mis-

> fortune on my shoulders.

>

> Now I will not continue this conversation any further. I tried to

> stop it earlier. But you just wouldn't let it go. Now I have

> responded to a personal attack on myself. Make sure next time you

> intend on attacking someone you are sure that you are correct in

> your attack.

>

> DONE!

> KELLY

>

>

> >

> > ,

> >

> > I think that you are making some good points, but I disagree with

> some of

> > the things you said. I think you are looking at this from the

> perspective of

> > a mold inspector and not from the perspective of a mold victim who

> has

> > probably lost their job and is very tight for money as we were and

> still

> > are. I was desperate to make the money we spent count. I thought

> that by

> > spending that money, we would get a persuasive, credible argument

> that would

> > force our landlord to actually clean up our situation. I didn't

> realize that

> > once I got as sick as I was going to get, I would be as sensitive

> as I am

> > now or how MUCH that would end up changing my life. Who does...

> >

> > So, I was going by the recommendations that I received from a

> number of

> > people, lawyers, mostly, but also some public health

> professionals. None of

> > those people had been through this. They were small businesspeople

> and they

> > needed to make money. I could see that a lot of them had been

> shafted by

> > clients, especially renters. (Renter clients probably are between

> a rock and

> > a hard place when the inspection report, nomatter how

> incriminating it is,

> > DOESN'T end up in their rented place getting cleaned up to the

> point where

> > they can stay and then they HAVE to move and probably paying the

> mold

> > inspector is low on the list of 'things they NEED to do to avoid

> becoming

> > homeless and end up living in a cardboard box')

> >

> > There were some independent mold inspectprs who quoted us a

> (slightly) lower

> > price, but they qualified that by then saying that that was a

> minimum price,

> > and the contracts they wanted us to sign were scary - open ended,

> and I

> > could see that once they got to our apartment they would quite

> probably need

> > to charge us more, and at that point we would be seriously over a

> barrel.

> > (Actually, a little later on - that is exactly what happened -

> with a

> > different company - when we needed to hire someone very fast to

> document

> > something else.. the only company we could find on such short

> notice DID try

> > to put us over a barrel, but thats another story..)

> >

> > That is why I decided - at te beginning - to go with the reputable

> lab that

> > let us explain the situation to them in advance in detail and get

> a FIXED,

> > UPFRONT charge that we knew would be the cost.

> >

> > And it was. They were very professional. I just wish that our (now

> ex)

> > landlord would have had the common sense to take their

> recommendations

> > seriously instead of seeing us as the problem....

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you KC.

[] Re: new to group..need some answers..

,

I want to thank you for all you have done, even moreso than what I

was aware of. I know how hard you have worked to educate yourself,

not only for your family, but for others to benefit. What most

people don't understand is that many of us that have been affected,

or a loved one, and have struggled in the beginning for

recognition,not only for ourselves but for many others for a true

diagnoses and treatment this has not been for any compensation. I

know for a fact many of the professionals out there because of their

line of work, have to be compensated for their time and material,

but at the same time many do not realize how often they go above and

beyond their call of duty, alot of the work they perform is

volunteered, and much more. In order to do this you take away from

your own family for the sake of others.

I guess you might say it is in our blood, and many of the

professionals are fed up with the unnecessary suffering and the

destruction of lives that has been taking place for so many years. I

have to speak for myself here, it is an obsession for good reason,

and takes up almost all my time. Am I complaining, No way, and it

will continue to be this way until our medical institutions change

their ways.

Though they may be hard to come by there are some real good people

still in this world offering to help free of charge, but it can't

always be that way.

LiveSimply, to save yourself some embarrassment next time, you might

want to ask some questions instead of assuming. When I read your

response I knew what was coming, because I've known for about

4 years now. I say this with a grin on my face, not to demean you in

any way.

, with all that you have been through you continuously reach

out to others especially behind the scenes, more than I care to

mention.

Thanks,

KC

> >

> > ,

> >

> > I think that you are making some good points, but I disagree

with

> some of

> > the things you said. I think you are looking at this from the

> perspective of

> > a mold inspector and not from the perspective of a mold victim

who

> has

> > probably lost their job and is very tight for money as we were

and

> still

> > are. I was desperate to make the money we spent count. I thought

> that by

> > spending that money, we would get a persuasive, credible

argument

> that would

> > force our landlord to actually clean up our situation. I didn't

> realize that

> > once I got as sick as I was going to get, I would be as

sensitive

> as I am

> > now or how MUCH that would end up changing my life. Who does...

> >

> > So, I was going by the recommendations that I received from a

> number of

> > people, lawyers, mostly, but also some public health

> professionals. None of

> > those people had been through this. They were small

businesspeople

> and they

> > needed to make money. I could see that a lot of them had been

> shafted by

> > clients, especially renters. (Renter clients probably are

between

> a rock and

> > a hard place when the inspection report, nomatter how

> incriminating it is,

> > DOESN'T end up in their rented place getting cleaned up to the

> point where

> > they can stay and then they HAVE to move and probably paying the

> mold

> > inspector is low on the list of 'things they NEED to do to avoid

> becoming

> > homeless and end up living in a cardboard box')

> >

> > There were some independent mold inspectprs who quoted us a

> (slightly) lower

> > price, but they qualified that by then saying that that was a

> minimum price,

> > and the contracts they wanted us to sign were scary - open

ended,

> and I

> > could see that once they got to our apartment they would quite

> probably need

> > to charge us more, and at that point we would be seriously over

a

> barrel.

> > (Actually, a little later on - that is exactly what happened -

> with a

> > different company - when we needed to hire someone very fast to

> document

> > something else.. the only company we could find on such short

> notice DID try

> > to put us over a barrel, but thats another story..)

> >

> > That is why I decided - at te beginning - to go with the

reputable

> lab that

> > let us explain the situation to them in advance in detail and

get

> a FIXED,

> > UPFRONT charge that we knew would be the cost.

> >

> > And it was. They were very professional. I just wish that our

(now

> ex)

> > landlord would have had the common sense to take their

> recommendations

> > seriously instead of seeing us as the problem....

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Wow, I can't believe the responses I've had. The suggestions and

stories have been really helpful. I haven't talked to my husband yet,

but I will be sometime this week (when the kiddos aren't around to

interrupt). Last week during all this, I noticed a dark shadow (2ft x

2ft) on our living room ceiling. I pointed it out to him and asked him

when we could expect our waterfall. ;-) Even the kids noticed it and

brought it up (without me saying anything). I did find out from

friends of ours who grew up in this neighborhood that there was a fire

in our house in 1982. I doubt the owners previous to us knew about it.

Another question..

When I come into our home after being gone for a few days, I don't

smell mold or milddew. It smells like something is burning or

stale, nasty cigarette smoke. (No one has smoked in this house for 11 1/2

years).

Can mold smell like that? I smelled it all summer and complained

incessantly about it.

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W.

reneewo@...

Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have

against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. Colossians 3:13

[Guest guest]

My daughter has entered moldy environments and mistakenly believed she

smelled cigarette smoke and not mold. So, I guess she would say yes.

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> Another question..

> When I come into our home after being gone for a few days, I don't

> smell mold or milddew. It smells like something is burning or

> stale, nasty cigarette smoke. (No one has smoked in this house for 11

1/2 years).

> Can mold smell like that? I smelled it all summer and complained

> incessantly about it.

>

> --

> W.

> reneewo@...

>

> Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have

> against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. Colossians 3:13

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I agree.

[] Re: new to group..need some answers..

My daughter has entered moldy environments and mistakenly believed she

smelled cigarette smoke and not mold. So, I guess she would say yes.

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> Another question..

> When I come into our home after being gone for a few days, I don't

> smell mold or milddew. It smells like something is burning or

> stale, nasty cigarette smoke. (No one has smoked in this house for 11

1/2 years).

> Can mold smell like that? I smelled it all summer and complained

> incessantly about it.

>

> --

> W.

> reneewo@...

>

> Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have

> against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. Colossians 3:13

>

[Guest guest]

I can add to the warnings..

Watch out for that wet wood/cigarette smoke smell.. For a long time we

thought that our neighbors were smokers..

we were wrong..

On 1/29/07, <vbrk@...> wrote:

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> Yes, I agree.

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> [] Re: new to group..need some answers..

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> My daughter has entered moldy environments and mistakenly believed she

> smelled cigarette smoke and not mold. So, I guess she would say yes.

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> > Another question..

> > When I come into our home after being gone for a few days, I don't

> > smell mold or milddew. It smells like something is burning or

> > stale, nasty cigarette smoke. (No one has smoked in this house for 11

> 1/2 years).

> > Can mold smell like that? I smelled it all summer and complained

> > incessantly about it.

> >

> > --

> > W.

> > reneewo@...

> >

> > Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have

> > against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. Colossians 3:13

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I live north of Indianapolis in the Muncie area.

n Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:27:27 -0500 (EST)

ssr3351@... wrote:

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> I know two really good inspectors. Even if they are not in your area

> they may be able to tell you who to call. Where do you live?

> Sue

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> Okay, Next question..

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> Where can I find someone that tests for the mold? Are there reliable

> tests available that I can do?

>

> For the home inspection, I understand that I need to find someone who

> actually crawls around and really looks at things. But do I just go

> to any person with a license to do home inspection?

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