Guest guest Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 Rhonda, I didn't have any hair fall out but another coworker in my building did. The mycotoxins affect everyone differently. It may be the coloring but I doubt it. Sue How many members here have had their hair fall out? Mine has slowly but surely been leaving me and clogging my bathtub drain. My sis told me months ago I had half the hair I had before and breaking off. She thought from hair color but I have colored my hair for 6 or so years and I think it is from mycotoxins. While staying out of work, I have washed hair but no blow drying and no curling iron and only used coloring with no amonia but what else is in that crap who knows. I do not have a lot of gray but not going to have any period but I don't want to be bald if coloring is part of my problem. I do think the myco's are the culprit but hair color is torture to hair also. I do realize now to just color the roots then do the rest for a short period. Dumb me put color all over for 30 minutes but why it took 6 years to freak my hair if coloring who knows. I think it is myco's contributing. Today is a bad day with another front. So sick of IT. Rhonda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Hey Rhonda, I really don't know how old you are but mine started falling out at 29. You are very lucky your hair is just starting to fall out. My has been falling out for over 11 years. Way before any exposure. The tub drain is full of it, the bathroom floor is full of it, brushes are full, it's like I snow hair. The kids say I shed like a dog. My husband says I should make rugs and sell them. My hair is also much thinner than before, but I just relate it to growing older, changing hormones. Can't relate mine to exposure. No one else in my families is falling out. I am the privileged one. hehehehe [] my hair How many members here have had their hair fall out? Mine has slowly but surely been leaving me and clogging my bathtub drain. My sis told me months ago I had half the hair I had before and breaking off. She thought from hair color but I have colored my hair for 6 or so years and I think it is from mycotoxins. While staying out of work, I have washed hair but no blow drying and no curling iron and only used coloring with no amonia but what else is in that crap who knows. I do not have a lot of gray but not going to have any period but I don't want to be bald if coloring is part of my problem. I do think the myco's are the culprit but hair color is torture to hair also. I do realize now to just color the roots then do the rest for a short period. Dumb me put color all over for 30 minutes but why it took 6 years to freak my hair if coloring who knows. I think it is myco's contributing. Today is a bad day with another front. So sick of IT. Rhonda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 I'm a young 44yro and my hair should not be falling out. Was not like this until last year. Guess I realize now from members telling me to get OUT before it's TOO LATE. Now I see It is TOO LATE and I wonder now what my future is? Not just exhausted but MAD AS HELL WHAT THIS MOLD HAS DONE TO DESTROY ME! { > > Hey Rhonda, > I really don't know how old you are but mine started falling out at 29. You are very lucky your hair is just starting to fall out. My has been falling out for over 11 years. Way before any exposure. The tub drain is full of it, the bathroom floor is full of it, brushes are full, it's like I snow hair. The kids say I shed like a dog. My husband says I should make rugs and sell them. My hair is also much thinner than before, but I just relate it to growing older, changing hormones. Can't relate mine to exposure. No one else in my families is falling out. I am the privileged one. hehehehe > > > [] my hair > > > How many members here have had their hair fall out? Mine has slowly > but surely been leaving me and clogging my bathtub drain. My sis told > me months ago I had half the hair I had before and breaking off. She > thought from hair color but I have colored my hair for 6 or so years > and I think it is from mycotoxins. > > While staying out of work, I have washed hair but no blow drying and no > curling iron and only used coloring with no amonia but what else is in > that crap who knows. I do not have a lot of gray but not going to have > any period but I don't want to be bald if coloring is part of my > problem. I do think the myco's are the culprit but hair color is > torture to hair also. I do realize now to just color the roots then do > the rest for a short period. Dumb me put color all over for 30 minutes > but why it took 6 years to freak my hair if coloring who knows. I > think it is myco's contributing. Today is a bad day with another > front. So sick of IT. > > Rhonda > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Hi Rhonda, With my first mold exposure, my hair actually got healthier. I now believe it was due to the high doses of predisone I was on at that time. However, there might be one of many reasons your hair is falling out. As a licensed barber and cosmetologist, I might be able to help with a few suggestions. Being I have not actually seen your hair, I can only make a mere guess so, take what you can use and leave the rest. If you think you may have a fungus in your scalp, which can be caused from mold exposure, you will need to use a special prescription shampoo from a dermatologist. You can try Head and Shoulders first but it is best to go to the doctor when losing huge amounts of hair. Hair lost can be a sign of several minor or serious conditions. Low thyroid is one of them, for example. This is why you really need to see a doctor to make sure you are not deficient in any thing and rule out any serious condition. There is a wonderful amino acid supplement that my dermatologist recommends. I can't think of the name of it right off the bat...I took it for many years. I am thinking it is called " Formula 50. " Also, some people will lose hair when body is lacking one or more of the B vitamins. Especially women after giving birth. I also suggest to clients to take a complete B-50 formula along with a good protein if they are having dull or losing hair. One needs to be balanced in all of the " B " vitamins so just taking one particular " B " is not good enough. Many folks with hair issues will only take biotin because it is a known hair vitamin but it is even better to take a proper level of all B vitamins. Some of the color that has no ammonia is even more damaging to the hair than color with ammonia. Those enzymes colors are pretty rough on the hair. Even some temp colors wreak havoc on the hair shaft. When color is applied properly, there should not be any damage...well; any chemical will damage the hair, got to have a small amount of damage to get the look we want. If hair chemicals are applied properly, you should not be losing hair from it due to damage. One thing we all need to remember, as we age, no matter how old a person, the hair changes and so does the need to change the chemical formula one is using on the hair. This is one reason why it is best to go to a professional stylist who has a broad knowledge and experience in chemical applications. All hair is different and requires different levels of peroxide and etc. Take me for example; I can't use the drug store brands as they are too strong and damaging to my hair. I use a very low volume of peroxide. I use 10 volume; this would not penetrate the hair on most people to give a nice lift as well as deposit. People have different hair, not all chemicals work properly on everyone's hair. I tend to side with your sister about the color. Most people don't have hair that is tough enough to let color sit on the part of the hair that already has color on it. Professionals might pull the color through for 1-3 minutes but never for 30 minutes. Putting color on top of color is very damaging. This is called over lapping. One thing, how long is your hair? If you have very long hair, it may have taken awhile for this damage to finally happen, especially if you have very very strong tough health hair. Most people's hair would not make it past the 30 minutes if theirs was overlapped! I am surprised you were able to do this for 6 years. If you kept it short, it could be you kept most of the damage cut off and it was less noticeable. As I said, I can only guess as I don't know anything about your hair personally. It is always best to apply the color to the roots only. If the rest of the hair needs to be refreshed, take the remaining color and only leave on for 1-3 minutes. This works for those with normal, for folks with wimpy hair like mine, it is best to not even pull it though, just do the roots and leave the rest alone. One thing I keep cringing on this group is when people say they put peroxide, ammonia and other chemicals on the hair to kill mold. If one has such a problem with mold in their hair, it would be best to just cut it all off because damaging the hair will do just that, cut it by breakage. All of those household and other kinds of chemicals to kill mold in the hair is really not necessary and can be more dangerous to ones health (and hair) than the mold. I am speaking from my experience as a hairstylist and as one who suffers from a major case of mold exposure. One thing, if one suspects they have mold in their hair, they need to start washing it daily with a good antifungal shampoo, and make sure it dries within 3 hours. If it does not dry in 3 hours, use a hair dryer. Mold comes from dampness. Have any of you ever smelled hair that was left wet for days in rollers and smelled like a dish rag?? Using strong chemicals in the hair is *not* the answer to resolving a mold problem with the hair. One can use a rinse of one part vinegar and 3 part water to help with a suspected mold problem. Just remember, even vinegar tends to be drying. If anyone wants to work on " moldy " hair, just purchase a dandruff shampoo such as Head and Shoulders and use a dilated vinegar rinse. One thing, I was very sensitive to vinegar during my mold exposure so one needs to be careful.. I have been a hair stylist for a long long time and I have never seen anyone with a mold issue in their hair. I have seen scalps that were diseased. I have seen scalps with issues due to medication, illnesses, surgeries and etc but not from mold exposure with a few exceptions of scalp fungus. I have known and see folks with mold exposures, they bath and wash their hair and dry it daily, and the mold is not an issue in their hair. If one takes a daily bath and shampoos the hair daily, the mold should not be a major issue in the hair. When being exposed to mold, one really needs to stay as clean as possible, period, hair and all... I got off the main point here...sorry about my rant but I have been meaning to post about this any way. People putting all of that harsh stuff in their hair really drives me nuts! Professionally speaking, I would never suggest or endorse some of the stuff I have read that people put on their hair. It just freaks me out! Here are my suggestions for hair loss: 1. First of all see a doctor to make sure this is not a physical issue. 2. Follow a good diet and take recommended supplements and a multivitamin. Exercise is great as it gets the blood flowing to that scalp. 3. Stop " overlapping " chemicals. This goes for perms, color, relaxers, any chemical treatment should not be placed on top of the other. ONLY treat or color the roots. 4. Purchase a good Shampoo and conditioner. For breaking hair, I suggest Nexxus Therappe. In my 25 years of hairstyling, I have used many great professional brands but I always go back to this one for dry or damage hair. Lately I got some Pantene on sale with coupons for like 50 cents! Being a stylist, I always use the professional products. I never liked the Pantene line but I must say, the Pantene Restoratives is an excellent drug store brand! Try the " Breakage Control " line. I don't like the Pantene Ice everyone is raving about, the shampoo is too drying. If one has ethnic hair, I suggest the Cream de Nature line but the Nexxus is great on ethnic hair as well. There is a really good ethnic line, which I have used on my hair but I can't spell them name of it..It starts with an M and is a line JC Penny's hair salon use to endorse. This line might be too much moisture for normal hair. For a conditioner, I still like the Nexxus Humctress. One can even use a pea size as a leave in on the ends. I also like the Infusion leave-ins; this is very good for breaking hair. For breaking hair, a once a week strengthing protein (plus) treatment is a must. I suggest the Nexxus Emergencee. Follow up with a moisturizing conditioner as a protein treatment can be drying as well as damaging...sometimes too much of a good thing is not so good, so limit protein treatments once a week. For leave in conditioner, I like the infusion as the leave in along with Redken Extreme Anti-Snap. I also love the Bio Silk leave in. It has real silk proteins. To sum it up, use a good moisturizing shampoo, moisturizing conditioner following the shampoo. After rinsing and towel drying, follow up with a leave in conditioner. Once a week use a protein treatment. Once every 2 weeks, use a hot oil treatment. One can get these in individual packs in the drug store or at Sally's. I would just try different kinds until I found one I like. If hair loss is not due to damage, I suggest the line of Power Plus, by Farouk Systems. This is a very cleansing line and has been known to help assist with hair regrowth. I heard it worked miracles. I used it once but found it was too drying for my hair. One will need to use this shampoo for approx to really see results. Stay clear of harsh hairsprays and gels as these can lead to breakage. I usually give my mom her perms but right before Christmas, I was moving and sick. I had her to go to the salon in her assist living home. The hairstylist left the perm on too long and much of mom's hair fell out. I have been using the Cream de Nature moisturizing shampoo, it is a great ethnic moisturizing line. She is caucasian but it works wonders on dry and damage hair of all kinds. I also use Organic Hair Mayonnaise (an excellent dollar store brand conditioner) and Bio Silk mixed with a pea size of Nexxus Humctress on her hair as a leave in. As long as I follow this routine, her hair does not look bad and appears healthy. Please note, I stated it *appears* healthy. Just remember, damage hair is damage hair. It is going to fall out, break off until all of the damage is gone. So this takes us to number 5. 5. Get a good hair cut. Hair always looks best when one has a good cut, especially after a bad hair loss or breakage period. If ones hair is falling out due to damage, it is best to get the worst of the damage off (or as much length off as one can live with) and start all over. All in all, go to a doctor. This is the first thing anyone with hair loss should do. I hope little bit of info this helps. Jackie > > How many members here have had their hair fall out? Mine has slowly > but surely been leaving me and clogging my bathtub drain. My sis told > me months ago I had half the hair I had before and breaking off. She > thought from hair color but I have colored my hair for 6 or so years > and I think it is from mycotoxins. > > While staying out of work, I have washed hair but no blow drying and no > curling iron and only used coloring with no amonia but what else is in > that crap who knows. I do not have a lot of gray but not going to have > any period but I don't want to be bald if coloring is part of my > problem. I do think the myco's are the culprit but hair color is > torture to hair also. I do realize now to just color the roots then do > the rest for a short period. Dumb me put color all over for 30 minutes > but why it took 6 years to freak my hair if coloring who knows. I > think it is myco's contributing. Today is a bad day with another > front. So sick of IT. > > Rhonda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 I will have to reread this again later but thanks. My sis use to be a hair stylist and still is on the side but I never let her color my hair. She suggested years back Second Nature from Salley's and I used that for a while but wanted highlights so used Clairol and others and was stupid cuz I didn't realize to just put on roots and not all over for 30 minutes. My sis thought I was using the not permanent colors so she did not realize I might be frying my hair. So, which hair colors might be safer without turning my hair RED from Henna natural stuff I've seen? My hair is light brown/medium brown. I think just me coloring my roots and then the rest for a few minutes might help. Sister told me to try colored mousse until I can get my hair back healthy. For over 20 years I've used Roffler shampoo and conditioner for colored/permed hair and now also been using bath and body works moisturizing shampoo and conditioner and also have not been blow drying hair or curling since not going anywhere. Rhonda > > > > How many members here have had their hair fall out? Mine has > slowly > > but surely been leaving me and clogging my bathtub drain. My sis > told > > me months ago I had half the hair I had before and breaking off. > She > > thought from hair color but I have colored my hair for 6 or so > years > > and I think it is from mycotoxins. > > > > While staying out of work, I have washed hair but no blow drying > and no > > curling iron and only used coloring with no amonia but what else is > in > > that crap who knows. I do not have a lot of gray but not going to > have > > any period but I don't want to be bald if coloring is part of my > > problem. I do think the myco's are the culprit but hair color is > > torture to hair also. I do realize now to just color the roots then > do > > the rest for a short period. Dumb me put color all over for 30 > minutes > > but why it took 6 years to freak my hair if coloring who knows. I > > think it is myco's contributing. Today is a bad day with another > > front. So sick of IT. > > > > Rhonda > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 head sand shoulders has formaldehyde in it. Not a safe product even for those who are not injured in any manner. Lookm at shampoos formaldehyde is hidden under a psuendom called Quanterium-15 among other names...if i can locate all theother names i will post them On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, wrote: > Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 00:05:12 -0600 > From: <vbrk@...> > Reply- > > Subject: Re: [] Re: my hair > > Jackie, > Thanx for that info. Good to have a hair stylist here. I love the Nexxus line. But, picked up some great tips for my daughter. Her hair has been a mess since she was exposed. Dry, then greasy, the frizzy. I can't keep up. hehehe > > But, I will try some of your suggetions. Thank you. > > > > > [] Re: my hair > > > Hi Rhonda, > With my first mold exposure, my hair actually got healthier. I now > believe it was due to the high doses of predisone I was on at that > time. However, there might be one of many reasons your hair is > falling out. As a licensed barber and cosmetologist, I might be able > to help with a few suggestions. Being I have not actually seen your > hair, I can only make a mere guess so, take what you can use and > leave the rest. > > If you think you may have a fungus in your scalp, which can be caused > from mold exposure, you will need to use a special prescription > shampoo from a dermatologist. You can try Head and Shoulders first > but it is best to go to the doctor when losing huge amounts of hair. > Hair lost can be a sign of several minor or serious conditions. Low > thyroid is one of them, for example. This is why you really need to > see a doctor to make sure you are not deficient in any thing and rule > out any serious condition. > > There is a wonderful amino acid supplement that my dermatologist > recommends. I can't think of the name of it right off the bat...I > took it for many years. I am thinking it is called " Formula 50. " > Also, some people will lose hair when body is lacking one or more of > the B vitamins. Especially women after giving birth. I also suggest > to clients to take a complete B-50 formula along with a good protein > if they are having dull or losing hair. One needs to be balanced in > all of the " B " vitamins so just taking one particular " B " is not good > enough. Many folks with hair issues will only take biotin because it > is a known hair vitamin but it is even better to take a proper level > of all B vitamins. > > Some of the color that has no ammonia is even more damaging to the > hair than color with ammonia. Those enzymes colors are pretty rough > on the hair. Even some temp colors wreak havoc on the hair shaft. > When color is applied properly, there should not be any > damage...well; any chemical will damage the hair, got to have a small > amount of damage to get the look we want. If hair chemicals are > applied properly, you should not be losing hair from it due to > damage. One thing we all need to remember, as we age, no matter how > old a person, the hair changes and so does the need to change the > chemical formula one is using on the hair. This is one reason why it > is best to go to a professional stylist who has a broad knowledge and > experience in chemical applications. All hair is different and > requires different levels of peroxide and etc. Take me for example; I > can't use the drug store brands as they are too strong and damaging > to my hair. I use a very low volume of peroxide. I use 10 volume; > this would not penetrate the hair on most people to give a nice lift > as well as deposit. People have different hair, not all chemicals > work properly on everyone's hair. > > I tend to side with your sister about the color. Most people don't > have hair that is tough enough to let color sit on the part of the > hair that already has color on it. Professionals might pull the > color through for 1-3 minutes but never for 30 minutes. Putting > color on top of color is very damaging. This is called over > lapping. One thing, how long is your hair? If you have very long > hair, it may have taken awhile for this damage to finally happen, > especially if you have very very strong tough health hair. Most > people's hair would not make it past the 30 minutes if theirs was > overlapped! I am surprised you were able to do this for 6 years. If > you kept it short, it could be you kept most of the damage cut off > and it was less noticeable. As I said, I can only guess as I don't > know anything about your hair personally. It is always best to apply > the color to the roots only. If the rest of the hair needs to be > refreshed, take the remaining color and only leave on for 1-3 > minutes. This works for those with normal, for folks with wimpy hair > like mine, it is best to not even pull it though, just do the roots > and leave the rest alone. > > One thing I keep cringing on this group is when people say they put > peroxide, ammonia and other chemicals on the hair to kill mold. If > one has such a problem with mold in their hair, it would be best to > just cut it all off because damaging the hair will do just that, cut > it by breakage. All of those household and other kinds of chemicals > to kill mold in the hair is really not necessary and can be more > dangerous to ones health (and hair) than the mold. I am speaking from > my experience as a hairstylist and as one who suffers from a major > case of mold exposure. One thing, if one suspects they have mold in > their hair, they need to start washing it daily with a good > antifungal shampoo, and make sure it dries within 3 hours. If it > does not dry in 3 hours, use a hair dryer. Mold comes from > dampness. Have any of you ever smelled hair that was left wet for > days in rollers and smelled like a dish rag?? Using strong chemicals > in the hair is *not* the answer to resolving a mold problem with the > hair. One can use a rinse of one part vinegar and 3 part water to > help with a suspected mold problem. Just remember, even vinegar tends > to be drying. If anyone wants to work on " moldy " hair, just purchase > a dandruff shampoo such as Head and Shoulders and use a dilated > vinegar rinse. One thing, I was very sensitive to vinegar during my > mold exposure so one needs to be careful.. I have been a hair > stylist for a long long time and I have never seen anyone with a mold > issue in their hair. I have seen scalps that were diseased. I have > seen scalps with issues due to medication, illnesses, surgeries and > etc but not from mold exposure with a few exceptions of scalp fungus. > I have known and see folks with mold exposures, they bath and wash > their hair and dry it daily, and the mold is not an issue in their > hair. If one takes a daily bath and shampoos the hair daily, the > mold should not be a major issue in the hair. When being exposed to > mold, one really needs to stay as clean as possible, period, hair and > all... I got off the main point here...sorry about my rant but I have > been meaning to post about this any way. People putting all of that > harsh stuff in their hair really drives me nuts! Professionally > speaking, I would never suggest or endorse some of the stuff I have > read that people put on their hair. It just freaks me out! > > Here are my suggestions for hair loss: > > 1. First of all see a doctor to make sure this is not a physical > issue. > > 2. Follow a good diet and take recommended supplements and a > multivitamin. Exercise is great as it gets the blood flowing to that > scalp. > > 3. Stop " overlapping " chemicals. This goes for perms, color, > relaxers, any chemical treatment should not be placed on top of the > other. ONLY treat or color the roots. > > 4. Purchase a good Shampoo and conditioner. For breaking hair, I > suggest Nexxus Therappe. In my 25 years of hairstyling, I have used > many great professional brands but I always go back to this one for > dry or damage hair. Lately I got some Pantene on sale with coupons > for like 50 cents! Being a stylist, I always use the professional > products. I never liked the Pantene line but I must say, the Pantene > Restoratives is an excellent drug store brand! Try the " Breakage > Control " line. I don't like the Pantene Ice everyone is raving > about, the shampoo is too drying. If one has ethnic hair, I suggest > the Cream de Nature line but the Nexxus is great on ethnic hair as > well. There is a really good ethnic line, which I have used on my > hair but I can't spell them name of it..It starts with an M and is a > line JC Penny's hair salon use to endorse. This line might be too > much moisture for normal hair. > For a conditioner, I still like the Nexxus Humctress. One can even > use a pea size as a leave in on the ends. I also like the Infusion > leave-ins; this is very good for breaking hair. > For breaking hair, a once a week strengthing protein (plus) treatment > is a must. I suggest the Nexxus Emergencee. Follow up with a > moisturizing conditioner as a protein treatment can be drying as well > as damaging...sometimes too much of a good thing is not so good, so > limit protein treatments once a week. > For leave in conditioner, I like the infusion as the leave in along > with Redken Extreme Anti-Snap. I also love the Bio Silk leave in. It > has real silk proteins. > To sum it up, use a good moisturizing shampoo, moisturizing > conditioner following the shampoo. After rinsing and towel drying, > follow up with a leave in conditioner. Once a week use a protein > treatment. Once every 2 weeks, use a hot oil treatment. One can get > these in individual packs in the drug store or at Sally's. I would > just try different kinds until I found one I like. > > If hair loss is not due to damage, I suggest the line of Power Plus, > by Farouk Systems. This is a very cleansing line and has been known > to help assist with hair regrowth. I heard it worked miracles. I > used it once but found it was too drying for my hair. One will need > to use this shampoo for approx to really see results. > > Stay clear of harsh hairsprays and gels as these can lead to breakage. > > I usually give my mom her perms but right before Christmas, I was > moving and sick. I had her to go to the salon in her assist living > home. The hairstylist left the perm on too long and much of mom's > hair fell out. I have been using the Cream de Nature moisturizing > shampoo, it is a great ethnic moisturizing line. She is caucasian but > it works wonders on dry and damage hair of all kinds. I also use > Organic Hair Mayonnaise (an excellent dollar store brand conditioner) > and Bio Silk mixed with a pea size of Nexxus Humctress on her hair as > a leave in. As long as I follow this routine, her hair does not look > bad and appears healthy. Please note, I stated it *appears* healthy. > Just remember, damage hair is damage hair. It is going to fall out, > break off until all of the damage is gone. So this takes us to number > 5. > > 5. Get a good hair cut. Hair always looks best when one has a good > cut, especially after a bad hair loss or breakage period. If ones > hair is falling out due to damage, it is best to get the worst of the > damage off (or as much length off as one can live with) and start all > over. > > All in all, go to a doctor. This is the first thing anyone with hair > loss should do. > > I hope little bit of info this helps. > Jackie > > > > > > How many members here have had their hair fall out? Mine has > slowly > > but surely been leaving me and clogging my bathtub drain. My sis > told > > me months ago I had half the hair I had before and breaking off. > She > > thought from hair color but I have colored my hair for 6 or so > years > > and I think it is from mycotoxins. > > > > While staying out of work, I have washed hair but no blow drying > and no > > curling iron and only used coloring with no amonia but what else is > in > > that crap who knows. I do not have a lot of gray but not going to > have > > any period but I don't want to be bald if coloring is part of my > > problem. I do think the myco's are the culprit but hair color is > > torture to hair also. I do realize now to just color the roots then > do > > the rest for a short period. Dumb me put color all over for 30 > minutes > > but why it took 6 years to freak my hair if coloring who knows. I > > think it is myco's contributing. Today is a bad day with another > > front. So sick of IT. > > > > Rhonda > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 It is safer than some of the other suggestions I have read on here. Especially the ones where people say they use ammonia and peroxide on the head. Any antifungal shampoo will work. It is healthier than living with a nasty fungus. I would like a safe healthy brand of antifungal shampoo to suggest to friends. Can you please suggest a good safe one? Head and Shoulder is the only over the counter, drug store brand I know of that works on a fungus. Please let us know of the kind you find safe. > > > > > > How many members here have had their hair fall out? Mine has > > slowly > > > but surely been leaving me and clogging my bathtub drain. My sis > > told > > > me months ago I had half the hair I had before and breaking off. > > She > > > thought from hair color but I have colored my hair for 6 or so > > years > > > and I think it is from mycotoxins. > > > > > > While staying out of work, I have washed hair but no blow drying > > and no > > > curling iron and only used coloring with no amonia but what else is > > in > > > that crap who knows. I do not have a lot of gray but not going to > > have > > > any period but I don't want to be bald if coloring is part of my > > > problem. I do think the myco's are the culprit but hair color is > > > torture to hair also. I do realize now to just color the roots then > > do > > > the rest for a short period. Dumb me put color all over for 30 > > minutes > > > but why it took 6 years to freak my hair if coloring who knows. I > > > think it is myco's contributing. Today is a bad day with another > > > front. So sick of IT. > > > > > > Rhonda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 That is so sweet and touching from young children and I hope you and your kids and everyone that has been poisoned will get better and healed. Your daughter seems to have a strong soul and will give us all inspiration thru all this. I try to talk to the Creator/Universe myself but I'm not sure anybody is hearing me....things continue to get worse not better. Tell your kids Rhonda said " thank you " for praying for me and others!! I believe that all goodness and prayers go out to the universe to do more good and healing for all that need it! I can't imagine taking care of children thru this and taking care of 8 animals that are my furkids is way too much for me. I use to be into animal rescue but only can take care of the ones I have now as a sanctuary. They keep me going and not much else.....they get me out of bed daily to feed them and take care of litter boxes etc and to give them love and they do not care that I'm not healthy and they love me for all the love and food I give them. I have a friend that will deliver me food for the animals when I can't get out to get it now or buy it b/c no money. If not for my furkids, I'd rather not wake up... Rhonda > > > > Hey Rhonda, > > I really don't know how old you are but mine started falling out at > 29. You are very lucky your hair is just starting to fall out. My > has been falling out for over 11 years. Way before any exposure. > The tub drain is full of it, the bathroom floor is full of it, > brushes are full, it's like I snow hair. The kids say I shed like a > dog. My husband says I should make rugs and sell them. My hair is > also much thinner than before, but I just relate it to growing older, > changing hormones. Can't relate mine to exposure. No one else in my > families is falling out. I am the privileged one. hehehehe > > > > > > [] my hair > > > > > > How many members here have had their hair fall out? Mine has > slowly > > but surely been leaving me and clogging my bathtub drain. My sis > told > > me months ago I had half the hair I had before and breaking off. > She > > thought from hair color but I have colored my hair for 6 or so > years > > and I think it is from mycotoxins. > > > > While staying out of work, I have washed hair but no blow drying > and no > > curling iron and only used coloring with no amonia but what else > is in > > that crap who knows. I do not have a lot of gray but not going to > have > > any period but I don't want to be bald if coloring is part of my > > problem. I do think the myco's are the culprit but hair color is > > torture to hair also. I do realize now to just color the roots > then do > > the rest for a short period. Dumb me put color all over for 30 > minutes > > but why it took 6 years to freak my hair if coloring who knows. I > > think it is myco's contributing. Today is a bad day with another > > front. So sick of IT. > > > > Rhonda > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 On some people Henna is really beautiful at firts and then it tends to turn dull and can cause breakage. I would do what your sister says is best. Being she is a professional stylist, she will know. > > I will have to reread this again later but thanks. My sis use to be > a hair stylist and still is on the side but I never let her color my > hair. She suggested years back Second Nature from Salley's and I > used that for a while but wanted highlights so used Clairol and > others and was stupid cuz I didn't realize to just put on roots and > not all over for 30 minutes. My sis thought I was using the not > permanent colors so she did not realize I might be frying my hair. > > So, which hair colors might be safer without turning my hair RED from > Henna natural stuff I've seen? My hair is light brown/medium brown. > I think just me coloring my roots and then the rest for a few minutes > might help. Sister told me to try colored mousse until I can get my > hair back healthy. For over 20 years I've used Roffler shampoo and > conditioner for colored/permed hair and now also been using bath and > body works moisturizing shampoo and conditioner and also have not > been blow drying hair or curling since not going anywhere. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Jackie, Thanx for that info. Good to have a hair stylist here. I love the Nexxus line. But, picked up some great tips for my daughter. Her hair has been a mess since she was exposed. Dry, then greasy, the frizzy. I can't keep up. hehehe But, I will try some of your suggetions. Thank you. [] Re: my hair Hi Rhonda, With my first mold exposure, my hair actually got healthier. I now believe it was due to the high doses of predisone I was on at that time. However, there might be one of many reasons your hair is falling out. As a licensed barber and cosmetologist, I might be able to help with a few suggestions. Being I have not actually seen your hair, I can only make a mere guess so, take what you can use and leave the rest. If you think you may have a fungus in your scalp, which can be caused from mold exposure, you will need to use a special prescription shampoo from a dermatologist. You can try Head and Shoulders first but it is best to go to the doctor when losing huge amounts of hair. Hair lost can be a sign of several minor or serious conditions. Low thyroid is one of them, for example. This is why you really need to see a doctor to make sure you are not deficient in any thing and rule out any serious condition. There is a wonderful amino acid supplement that my dermatologist recommends. I can't think of the name of it right off the bat...I took it for many years. I am thinking it is called " Formula 50. " Also, some people will lose hair when body is lacking one or more of the B vitamins. Especially women after giving birth. I also suggest to clients to take a complete B-50 formula along with a good protein if they are having dull or losing hair. One needs to be balanced in all of the " B " vitamins so just taking one particular " B " is not good enough. Many folks with hair issues will only take biotin because it is a known hair vitamin but it is even better to take a proper level of all B vitamins. Some of the color that has no ammonia is even more damaging to the hair than color with ammonia. Those enzymes colors are pretty rough on the hair. Even some temp colors wreak havoc on the hair shaft. When color is applied properly, there should not be any damage...well; any chemical will damage the hair, got to have a small amount of damage to get the look we want. If hair chemicals are applied properly, you should not be losing hair from it due to damage. One thing we all need to remember, as we age, no matter how old a person, the hair changes and so does the need to change the chemical formula one is using on the hair. This is one reason why it is best to go to a professional stylist who has a broad knowledge and experience in chemical applications. All hair is different and requires different levels of peroxide and etc. Take me for example; I can't use the drug store brands as they are too strong and damaging to my hair. I use a very low volume of peroxide. I use 10 volume; this would not penetrate the hair on most people to give a nice lift as well as deposit. People have different hair, not all chemicals work properly on everyone's hair. I tend to side with your sister about the color. Most people don't have hair that is tough enough to let color sit on the part of the hair that already has color on it. Professionals might pull the color through for 1-3 minutes but never for 30 minutes. Putting color on top of color is very damaging. This is called over lapping. One thing, how long is your hair? If you have very long hair, it may have taken awhile for this damage to finally happen, especially if you have very very strong tough health hair. Most people's hair would not make it past the 30 minutes if theirs was overlapped! I am surprised you were able to do this for 6 years. If you kept it short, it could be you kept most of the damage cut off and it was less noticeable. As I said, I can only guess as I don't know anything about your hair personally. It is always best to apply the color to the roots only. If the rest of the hair needs to be refreshed, take the remaining color and only leave on for 1-3 minutes. This works for those with normal, for folks with wimpy hair like mine, it is best to not even pull it though, just do the roots and leave the rest alone. One thing I keep cringing on this group is when people say they put peroxide, ammonia and other chemicals on the hair to kill mold. If one has such a problem with mold in their hair, it would be best to just cut it all off because damaging the hair will do just that, cut it by breakage. All of those household and other kinds of chemicals to kill mold in the hair is really not necessary and can be more dangerous to ones health (and hair) than the mold. I am speaking from my experience as a hairstylist and as one who suffers from a major case of mold exposure. One thing, if one suspects they have mold in their hair, they need to start washing it daily with a good antifungal shampoo, and make sure it dries within 3 hours. If it does not dry in 3 hours, use a hair dryer. Mold comes from dampness. Have any of you ever smelled hair that was left wet for days in rollers and smelled like a dish rag?? Using strong chemicals in the hair is *not* the answer to resolving a mold problem with the hair. One can use a rinse of one part vinegar and 3 part water to help with a suspected mold problem. Just remember, even vinegar tends to be drying. If anyone wants to work on " moldy " hair, just purchase a dandruff shampoo such as Head and Shoulders and use a dilated vinegar rinse. One thing, I was very sensitive to vinegar during my mold exposure so one needs to be careful.. I have been a hair stylist for a long long time and I have never seen anyone with a mold issue in their hair. I have seen scalps that were diseased. I have seen scalps with issues due to medication, illnesses, surgeries and etc but not from mold exposure with a few exceptions of scalp fungus. I have known and see folks with mold exposures, they bath and wash their hair and dry it daily, and the mold is not an issue in their hair. If one takes a daily bath and shampoos the hair daily, the mold should not be a major issue in the hair. When being exposed to mold, one really needs to stay as clean as possible, period, hair and all... I got off the main point here...sorry about my rant but I have been meaning to post about this any way. People putting all of that harsh stuff in their hair really drives me nuts! Professionally speaking, I would never suggest or endorse some of the stuff I have read that people put on their hair. It just freaks me out! Here are my suggestions for hair loss: 1. First of all see a doctor to make sure this is not a physical issue. 2. Follow a good diet and take recommended supplements and a multivitamin. Exercise is great as it gets the blood flowing to that scalp. 3. Stop " overlapping " chemicals. This goes for perms, color, relaxers, any chemical treatment should not be placed on top of the other. ONLY treat or color the roots. 4. Purchase a good Shampoo and conditioner. For breaking hair, I suggest Nexxus Therappe. In my 25 years of hairstyling, I have used many great professional brands but I always go back to this one for dry or damage hair. Lately I got some Pantene on sale with coupons for like 50 cents! Being a stylist, I always use the professional products. I never liked the Pantene line but I must say, the Pantene Restoratives is an excellent drug store brand! Try the " Breakage Control " line. I don't like the Pantene Ice everyone is raving about, the shampoo is too drying. If one has ethnic hair, I suggest the Cream de Nature line but the Nexxus is great on ethnic hair as well. There is a really good ethnic line, which I have used on my hair but I can't spell them name of it..It starts with an M and is a line JC Penny's hair salon use to endorse. This line might be too much moisture for normal hair. For a conditioner, I still like the Nexxus Humctress. One can even use a pea size as a leave in on the ends. I also like the Infusion leave-ins; this is very good for breaking hair. For breaking hair, a once a week strengthing protein (plus) treatment is a must. I suggest the Nexxus Emergencee. Follow up with a moisturizing conditioner as a protein treatment can be drying as well as damaging...sometimes too much of a good thing is not so good, so limit protein treatments once a week. For leave in conditioner, I like the infusion as the leave in along with Redken Extreme Anti-Snap. I also love the Bio Silk leave in. It has real silk proteins. To sum it up, use a good moisturizing shampoo, moisturizing conditioner following the shampoo. After rinsing and towel drying, follow up with a leave in conditioner. Once a week use a protein treatment. Once every 2 weeks, use a hot oil treatment. One can get these in individual packs in the drug store or at Sally's. I would just try different kinds until I found one I like. If hair loss is not due to damage, I suggest the line of Power Plus, by Farouk Systems. This is a very cleansing line and has been known to help assist with hair regrowth. I heard it worked miracles. I used it once but found it was too drying for my hair. One will need to use this shampoo for approx to really see results. Stay clear of harsh hairsprays and gels as these can lead to breakage. I usually give my mom her perms but right before Christmas, I was moving and sick. I had her to go to the salon in her assist living home. The hairstylist left the perm on too long and much of mom's hair fell out. I have been using the Cream de Nature moisturizing shampoo, it is a great ethnic moisturizing line. She is caucasian but it works wonders on dry and damage hair of all kinds. I also use Organic Hair Mayonnaise (an excellent dollar store brand conditioner) and Bio Silk mixed with a pea size of Nexxus Humctress on her hair as a leave in. As long as I follow this routine, her hair does not look bad and appears healthy. Please note, I stated it *appears* healthy. Just remember, damage hair is damage hair. It is going to fall out, break off until all of the damage is gone. So this takes us to number 5. 5. Get a good hair cut. Hair always looks best when one has a good cut, especially after a bad hair loss or breakage period. If ones hair is falling out due to damage, it is best to get the worst of the damage off (or as much length off as one can live with) and start all over. All in all, go to a doctor. This is the first thing anyone with hair loss should do. I hope little bit of info this helps. Jackie > > How many members here have had their hair fall out? Mine has slowly > but surely been leaving me and clogging my bathtub drain. My sis told > me months ago I had half the hair I had before and breaking off. She > thought from hair color but I have colored my hair for 6 or so years > and I think it is from mycotoxins. > > While staying out of work, I have washed hair but no blow drying and no > curling iron and only used coloring with no amonia but what else is in > that crap who knows. I do not have a lot of gray but not going to have > any period but I don't want to be bald if coloring is part of my > problem. I do think the myco's are the culprit but hair color is > torture to hair also. I do realize now to just color the roots then do > the rest for a short period. Dumb me put color all over for 30 minutes > but why it took 6 years to freak my hair if coloring who knows. I > think it is myco's contributing. Today is a bad day with another > front. So sick of IT. > > Rhonda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Hey Rhonda, I will agree w/you on one thing for sure. I am mad too. It sucks that all of us have to be so ill from this. The part that really makes me upset is that the info. is out there and still there are people who are getting sick and their lives are being ruined. Just because no one wants to take a stand and make it a real issue. They don't even know why they are sick. It is hard not to dwell on it daily as it effects our everyday lives. But, for me I guess it has just became a way of life. Plus, I have 2 small children who's lives have been ruined. So for me the adult I have to forget about myself and concentrate on helping them have a happy normal life. My daughter hopes that her prayers are heard and that people get better, and that others are not sickened like she was. I think her attitude has helped me to. I hope you get to feeling better one day. If this helps She says a prayer for you and all the others everynight. She prays that she hopes others who are sick like she is can smile one day soon like she has learned to do. She & my son are my inspiration. My son prays too, but his are not like hers. He is quite a bit younger than her. But his prayers are heart touching too. Just not quite as in depth like hers. But even after 4 years they have not forgotten, and do not forget that others are sick too from the same thing. [] my hair > > > How many members here have had their hair fall out? Mine has slowly > but surely been leaving me and clogging my bathtub drain. My sis told > me months ago I had half the hair I had before and breaking off. She > thought from hair color but I have colored my hair for 6 or so years > and I think it is from mycotoxins. > > While staying out of work, I have washed hair but no blow drying and no > curling iron and only used coloring with no amonia but what else is in > that crap who knows. I do not have a lot of gray but not going to have > any period but I don't want to be bald if coloring is part of my > problem. I do think the myco's are the culprit but hair color is > torture to hair also. I do realize now to just color the roots then do > the rest for a short period. Dumb me put color all over for 30 minutes > but why it took 6 years to freak my hair if coloring who knows. I > think it is myco's contributing. Today is a bad day with another > front. So sick of IT. > > Rhonda > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 During the winter months I often get a bad case of dry scalp. I think everyone knows that dandriff is caused by a fungus. I've used straight white vinegar several times. When I first get in the shower. I leave it there until I finish washing, rinse and wash with regular shampoo, it works every time. It normally works for several months, my thick head of hair hasn't fallen out yet so I guess it's doing the job correctly. To those of you who do not know me I was not the one exposed, my wife was and just about everyone that I am aware of that has had a mold exposure started losing their hair over time, because of. Is it a fungus or because of your immune system? KC > > > > > > > > How many members here have had their hair fall out? Mine has > > > slowly > > > > but surely been leaving me and clogging my bathtub drain. My > sis > > > told > > > > me months ago I had half the hair I had before and breaking > off. > > > She > > > > thought from hair color but I have colored my hair for 6 or so > > > years > > > > and I think it is from mycotoxins. > > > > > > > > While staying out of work, I have washed hair but no blow > drying > > > and no > > > > curling iron and only used coloring with no amonia but what > else is > > > in > > > > that crap who knows. I do not have a lot of gray but not going > to > > > have > > > > any period but I don't want to be bald if coloring is part of > my > > > > problem. I do think the myco's are the culprit but hair color > is > > > > torture to hair also. I do realize now to just color the roots > then > > > do > > > > the rest for a short period. Dumb me put color all over for 30 > > > minutes > > > > but why it took 6 years to freak my hair if coloring who > knows. I > > > > think it is myco's contributing. Today is a bad day with > another > > > > front. So sick of IT. > > > > > > > > Rhonda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 That's nice your have something to keep you going. You are very lucky too that the fur doesn't bother you. We would be very sick if we had animals w/fur. I used to breed dogs and made very good money from it. Plus, we loved having the babies here. But, we can't do it any longer. We also had to get rid of our family pet. Bianca just couldn't do it any longer. It took me time to figure that out though. She was soooo sad. So was my son. So, after 2 years of waiting we brought home our new furless (Sphynx) kitten for Christmas. It was like we had won the lotto here. They were so excited. So far she is fine. I am highly allergic to cats and have no reaction what so ever. So maybe finally we have found a pet that can stay. We all need something to soothe us, or to care for. Animals are very soothing and comforting. So if you can have them Rhonda by all means enjoy them. [] my hair > > > > > > How many members here have had their hair fall out? Mine has > slowly > > but surely been leaving me and clogging my bathtub drain. My sis > told > > me months ago I had half the hair I had before and breaking off. > She > > thought from hair color but I have colored my hair for 6 or so > years > > and I think it is from mycotoxins. > > > > While staying out of work, I have washed hair but no blow drying > and no > > curling iron and only used coloring with no amonia but what else > is in > > that crap who knows. I do not have a lot of gray but not going to > have > > any period but I don't want to be bald if coloring is part of my > > problem. I do think the myco's are the culprit but hair color is > > torture to hair also. I do realize now to just color the roots > then do > > the rest for a short period. Dumb me put color all over for 30 > minutes > > but why it took 6 years to freak my hair if coloring who knows. I > > think it is myco's contributing. Today is a bad day with another > > front. So sick of IT. > > > > Rhonda > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Hey KC, When I was living in the moldy house, I got to where I could not tolerate vinegar, not even distilled vinegar. I was told to use it but I would get sicker using it. Now I can tolerate it well. I use it straight in a fine mist spray bottle and will spray an entire room. I shut the door and leave for a few hours. I will come back to a fresh smelling room! I can't use it straight on my hair. I have to dilute it with water because it tends to dry and eat up my hair. I have color on my hair. However, I do use a half of a gallon in my bath water about once a week and just soak for a long time, head and all. This is so refreshing!! Also, dry scalp is not always a fungus. Sometimes it is just dry scalp. Usually massaging the conditioner in the scalp will resolve the dry scalp. As far as your question, I think hair loss due to mold can be either one, immune and/or fungus. I know from when my dad was ill, for a year after his last stroke and heart attack, right before his death, he developed a horrible fungus. He even had oral thrush and itched all over. This was not caused by mold exposure, as his house did not have mold. He had a diabetic, sick and dying body. In his case, I believe it had more to do with immune system. The freaky thing that threw me for a loop, his death certificate read " cause of death-yeast " Well, they did not use the word " yeast " but the medical term..I am having a brain freeze and can't think of it right now. He was never treated for yeast so I can't help but wonder had he been treated if he had lived. I also ask myself, if he died of yeast up there in the hospital, why wasn't he treated for the yeast?? His leg had already died from a blood clot and diabetie issues. It was going to be removed the next day. He passed in 1996 2 weeks shy of his 82nd birthday. One thing I just recalled, mom use to say when dad's sugar was up, that he smelled " yeasty. " Now that I am learning more about mold, thanks to this group, I have so many questions..did yeast cause the diabeites or did the diabeties cause the yeast?? Another question, could his dying body caused the yeast or could the yeast caused his body to die?? > > > > > > > > > > How many members here have had their hair fall out? Mine has > > > > slowly > > > > > but surely been leaving me and clogging my bathtub drain. > My > > sis > > > > told > > > > > me months ago I had half the hair I had before and breaking > > off. > > > > She > > > > > thought from hair color but I have colored my hair for 6 or > so > > > > years > > > > > and I think it is from mycotoxins. > > > > > > > > > > While staying out of work, I have washed hair but no blow > > drying > > > > and no > > > > > curling iron and only used coloring with no amonia but what > > else is > > > > in > > > > > that crap who knows. I do not have a lot of gray but not > going > > to > > > > have > > > > > any period but I don't want to be bald if coloring is part > of > > my > > > > > problem. I do think the myco's are the culprit but hair > color > > is > > > > > torture to hair also. I do realize now to just color the > roots > > then > > > > do > > > > > the rest for a short period. Dumb me put color all over for > 30 > > > > minutes > > > > > but why it took 6 years to freak my hair if coloring who > > knows. I > > > > > think it is myco's contributing. Today is a bad day with > > another > > > > > front. So sick of IT. > > > > > > > > > > Rhonda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 I am allergic to animal fur from my recent allergy testing but mold was the worst allergen with Aspergillus and Penicillium a 9 from 1-10 scale and the other molds tested were 7's. I wish I lived in a fur free house but love my animals. Never knew bunnies shed so much and they shed worse than cats. Rhonda > > That's nice your have something to keep you going. You are very lucky too that the fur doesn't bother you. We would be very sick if we had animals w/fur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Hey Don.. Can that hair of yours shoot some pain relief our way? Like sooner instead of later? I am exhausted and physically worthless today! Beam me up please!TeriSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Christ <ludichrist2000@...>Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:38:26 -0700 (PDT)< >Subject: [ ] my hair Hi ya'llEven though I have 'believed' in my hair for decades, I cannot prove to anything to anyone about it.It just makes sence to me, and you all know 'ol don in ks is kinda warped. lolI laugh reading your 'hair' cut ups, and that is exactly why I mentioned it.Humor and thinking outside the box.We need this so bad sometimes.Please dont stop, I love it. Thank you.Be well my friends. lovedon in ks PS: My hair aliens just told me - we are all going to be just fine. :-)From: Trudy <trudykinseysbcglobal (DOT) net>Subject: [ ] Pain/ Fibro / Terri !!"Hcv" < >Date: Sunday, April 18, 2010, 1:57 PMYou are a Godsend !! I instantly relaxed & felt more calm when I read your post to me. I was so scared to take this new drug cause it sounds strong and I know nothing about it. But of course I want relief from this pain. It is very calming that you have taken it and had no sides. And that it works. I agree that today Everywhere hurts...maybe our hair is sending bad signals instead of positive answers to the Voices LOL (ya know that I luv you, Don) . Once again I am so grateful for all of you on here... Hugs & ( regaining) Humor...Trudy From Trudy from my iPhone ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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