Guest guest Posted October 22, 1998 Report Share Posted October 22, 1998 Hello As far as I know there are no services in the PEMSS system which have the kits available or at least I have never seen them. My guess would be that the military units are probably going to be the only ones who have them. This is something that few services really think about. Again my guess would be that since we are not in the mideast or overseas that the threat is not high. NOT a wise thought process but usually the barn door gets shut after the horses are out. Danny L. Paramedic ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 1998 Report Share Posted October 22, 1998 Question. What is the shelf life if these atropine and 2PAM chloride kits? EMT-P Nacogodhes County EMS [] Chemical Terrorism >Several days ago, after having read some posts on other lists, I asked >about preparedness for chemical terrorism. I asked about the >availability of atropine and 2-PAM chloride kits for EMS providers. >There have been no replies. Does this mean that nobody has addressed >this problem or is interested in it? Other areas of the country >describe the stockpiling of >2000 units of these kits. Are there no >Texas people doing this? > >I ask you once again, what are you doing to address this problem? > >Gene Gandy > E. Gandy, JD, EMT-P >EMS Professions Program Director >Tyler Junior College >Tyler, TX >ggan@... > >Check out our website at: http://www.tyler.cc.tx.us/emmt/ > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >No tricks, no gimmicks - just a great intro rate for Internet users! >NextCard Internet VISA -- Apply online now! >http://ads./click/63/1/nextcard > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 1998 Report Share Posted October 22, 1998 I think the lack of response is probably related more to the early phases of many systems education on this issue. I know that the Austin/ County EMS System will be receiving our initial DoD train the trainer education in December of this year. This training, combined with response protocols being developed at the federal level (especially by ACEP/IAFC)will eventually provide the first response community with much better information and capability. I think we also are facing a larger problem...while atropine and 2-PAM are valuable in specific types of events, most systems lack the detection equipment to determine the agent employed (assuming a chem incident, is it a nerve agent, blistering, choking, or blood?). Establishing a cache of appropriate pharm. agents for a variety of incidents is a daunting task on a community by community basis...I think that is why you will see regional caches developed in the next couple of years. The formulation of a response capability to a NBC incident is a complex, expensive, and challenging process which has only been initiated in Texas in the Metroplex, Houston area, and San (El Paso is coming up soon, as is the Austin/ County area). I hope this helps... > [] Chemical Terrorism > > > Several days ago, after having read some posts on other lists, I asked > about preparedness for chemical terrorism. I asked about the > availability of atropine and 2-PAM chloride kits for EMS providers. > There have been no replies. Does this mean that nobody has addressed > this problem or is interested in it? Other areas of the country > describe the stockpiling of >2000 units of these kits. Are there no > Texas people doing this? > > I ask you once again, what are you doing to address this problem? > > Gene Gandy > E. Gandy, JD, EMT-P > EMS Professions Program Director > Tyler Junior College > Tyler, TX > ggan@... > > Check out our website at: http://www.tyler.cc.tx.us/emmt/ > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > No tricks, no gimmicks - just a great intro rate for Internet users! > NextCard Internet VISA -- Apply online now! > http://ads./click/63/1/nextcard > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 1998 Report Share Posted October 22, 1998 Well Gene, ?????????????? I guess someone thinks we have a threat out there. At this point it seems to be about the same as playing the lottery....do you know something we all dont? What ya got? Henry E. Gandy wrote: > Several days ago, after having read some posts on other lists, I asked > about preparedness for chemical terrorism. I asked about the > availability of atropine and 2-PAM chloride kits for EMS providers. > There have been no replies. Does this mean that nobody has addressed > this problem or is interested in it? Other areas of the country > describe the stockpiling of >2000 units of these kits. Are there no > Texas people doing this? > > I ask you once again, what are you doing to address this problem? > > Gene Gandy > E. Gandy, JD, EMT-P > EMS Professions Program Director > Tyler Junior College > Tyler, TX > ggan@... > > Check out our website at: http://www.tyler.cc.tx.us/emmt/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > No tricks, no gimmicks - just a great intro rate for Internet users! > NextCard Internet VISA -- Apply online now! > http://ads./click/63/1/nextcard > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 1998 Report Share Posted October 22, 1998 Dallas Fire Dept. recently received a grant from the fed gov for Nuclear/Biological/Chemical (NBC) Terrorism training and response supplies. They are now classified as a MST Strike Team. UT Southwestern teamed up to complete the training including a 4 hour awareness training for every firefighter. Then an additional 4 hours for every paramedic teaching all of the medical aspects of each agent. The fire dept is to get a response vehicle fully stocked with a mass number of Mark I kits (2-PAM Cloride & Atropine injects). Researching the possibilities and all of the different agents with its accesibility is very scary and other cities should consider this training. If you would like further info, contact me or the Dallas Fire Dept. Jon Puryear NREMT-P UT Southwestern Medical Center >>> " E. Gandy " 10/22/98 1:27:20 AM >>> Several days ago, after having read some posts on other lists, I asked about preparedness for chemical terrorism. I asked about the availability of atropine and 2-PAM chloride kits for EMS providers. There have been no replies. Does this mean that nobody has addressed this problem or is interested in it? Other areas of the country describe the stockpiling of >2000 units of these kits. Are there no Texas people doing this? I ask you once again, what are you doing to address this problem? Gene Gandy E. Gandy, JD, EMT-P EMS Professions Program Director Tyler Junior College Tyler, TX ggan@... Check out our website at: http://www.tyler.cc.tx.us/emmt/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ No tricks, no gimmicks - just a great intro rate for Internet users! NextCard Internet VISA -- Apply online now! http://ads./click/63/1/nextcard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 1998 Report Share Posted October 22, 1998 Good question. I don't know. Maybe somebody on here from the military does. I remember that when I was in the Army the kits they gave us looked like they were made during the Civil War. Gene E. Gandy, JD, EMT-P EMS Professions Program Director Tyler Junior College Tyler, TX ggan@... Check out our website at: http://www.tyler.cc.tx.us/emmt/ Nacogdoches County Emergency Medical Services Public Education Office wrote: > Question. What is the shelf life if these atropine and 2PAM chloride kits? > > > EMT-P > Nacogodhes County EMS > [] Chemical Terrorism > > >Several days ago, after having read some posts on other lists, I asked > >about preparedness for chemical terrorism. I asked about the > >availability of atropine and 2-PAM chloride kits for EMS providers. > >There have been no replies. Does this mean that nobody has addressed > >this problem or is interested in it? Other areas of the country > >describe the stockpiling of >2000 units of these kits. Are there no > >Texas people doing this? > > > >I ask you once again, what are you doing to address this problem? > > > >Gene Gandy > > E. Gandy, JD, EMT-P > >EMS Professions Program Director > >Tyler Junior College > >Tyler, TX > >ggan@... > > > >Check out our website at: http://www.tyler.cc.tx.us/emmt/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >No tricks, no gimmicks - just a great intro rate for Internet users! > >NextCard Internet VISA -- Apply online now! > >http://ads./click/63/1/nextcard > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 1998 Report Share Posted October 22, 1998 Yes. Thanks very much. From what I read on the EMS-L list other places in the country are ahead of us on this. Gene Christian E. Callsen, Jr. wrote: > I think the lack of response is probably related more to the early phases of > many systems education on this issue. I know that the Austin/ County > EMS System will be receiving our initial DoD train the trainer education in > December of this year. This training, combined with response protocols > being developed at the federal level (especially by ACEP/IAFC)will > eventually provide the first response community with much better information > and capability. > > I think we also are facing a larger problem...while atropine and 2-PAM are > valuable in specific types of events, most systems lack the detection > equipment to determine the agent employed (assuming a chem incident, is it a > nerve agent, blistering, choking, or blood?). Establishing a cache of > appropriate pharm. agents for a variety of incidents is a daunting task on a > community by community basis...I think that is why you will see regional > caches developed in the next couple of years. The formulation of a response > capability to a NBC incident is a complex, expensive, and challenging > process which has only been initiated in Texas in the Metroplex, Houston > area, and San (El Paso is coming up soon, as is the Austin/ > County area). > > I hope this helps... > > > [] Chemical Terrorism > > > > > > Several days ago, after having read some posts on other lists, I asked > > about preparedness for chemical terrorism. I asked about the > > availability of atropine and 2-PAM chloride kits for EMS providers. > > There have been no replies. Does this mean that nobody has addressed > > this problem or is interested in it? Other areas of the country > > describe the stockpiling of >2000 units of these kits. Are there no > > Texas people doing this? > > > > I ask you once again, what are you doing to address this problem? > > > > Gene Gandy > > E. Gandy, JD, EMT-P > > EMS Professions Program Director > > Tyler Junior College > > Tyler, TX > > ggan@... > > > > Check out our website at: http://www.tyler.cc.tx.us/emmt/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No tricks, no gimmicks - just a great intro rate for Internet users! > > NextCard Internet VISA -- Apply online now! > > http://ads./click/63/1/nextcard > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 1998 Report Share Posted October 22, 1998 The areas that are stockpiling are probably associated with the CSEPP program (Chemical Stockpile Emergency Preparedness Program) - and most likely are " within " a release area of one of the military bases that stockpiles the old WWII chemical weapons. FEMA and EPA have made Atropine and 2Pam available (on a limited basis) to them. Other areas (such as Texas) would have to stockpile at their own expense....an unlike scenario. Kenny Shaw, Paramedic Little Rock, AR ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 1998 Report Share Posted October 22, 1998 Gene, regarding the civil war era chemical antidote kits, that should have been a current event for you. It was for me----Jim Easley ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 1998 Report Share Posted October 22, 1998 Several weeks ago there was a thread on the EMS-L list about this which indicated that Chicago, LA and some other places have gone into this pretty deeply. I had not heard of anything here so asked about it. That's how it all started. Gene Gandy BARBER wrote: > Well Gene, > > ?????????????? > I guess someone thinks we have a threat out there. At this point it seems to > be about the same as playing the lottery....do you know something we all > dont? > > What ya got? > > Henry > > E. Gandy wrote: > > > Several days ago, after having read some posts on other lists, I asked > > about preparedness for chemical terrorism. I asked about the > > availability of atropine and 2-PAM chloride kits for EMS providers. > > There have been no replies. Does this mean that nobody has addressed > > this problem or is interested in it? Other areas of the country > > describe the stockpiling of >2000 units of these kits. Are there no > > Texas people doing this? > > > > I ask you once again, what are you doing to address this problem? > > > > Gene Gandy > > E. Gandy, JD, EMT-P > > EMS Professions Program Director > > Tyler Junior College > > Tyler, TX > > ggan@... > > > > Check out our website at: http://www.tyler.cc.tx.us/emmt/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No tricks, no gimmicks - just a great intro rate for Internet users! > > NextCard Internet VISA -- Apply online now! > > http://ads./click/63/1/nextcard > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 1998 Report Share Posted October 23, 1998 Yes, I was at Appomattox. General Lee handed me his Atropine Surette and reminded me that it should be injected whenever my pupils became pinpoint. I have preserved it and will contribute it to the museum of Parasympathetic Antagonists. Unfortunately General Lee's horse lacked a vet who understood pharmacology and only recommended BagBalm for equine priapism. Such a loss! Gandy Easley wrote: > Gene, regarding the civil war era chemical antidote kits, that should have > been a current event for you. It was for me----Jim Easley > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > No tricks, no gimmicks - just a great intro rate for Internet users! > NextCard Internet VISA -- Apply online now! > http://ads./click/63/1/nextcard > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 1998 Report Share Posted October 23, 1998 Being Both in the HAZMAT and EMS field we (in the EMS) do not have a what when where how to ability to handle the hazmat cituation. In part if we do not know how to care for our self through ppe, monitors, decon how can we take care of the victims??? Every time iI mention getting my department trained to respond to HAZMAT they tell me We'll use Dallas for mutal aid . Alot of good this does us. So it (in theory) it is not our problem it is someone elses, but it is our problem w/ the NIMBY attitude. TRavis EMT_P HAZMAT Inst ______________________________________________________________________ NextCard Internet VISA - 2.9% intro APR Earn free airline tickets WITH DOUBLE Rew@rds points. http://ads./click/63/0/nextcard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 1998 Report Share Posted October 23, 1998 Gene, I am interested in the Chemical part. I think we could be better prepared for not only terrorist but chemical spills. Some of the Chemical that travel up and down our roads do not need terrorist to cause a problem. Just one good fender bender. I would like to have more information on these kits. Thanks Benna Mc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 1998 Report Share Posted October 24, 1998 Thank you for this perceptive post. I've now determined that there are several sites in Texas that are currently addressing this problem. Perhaps more will now become aware. Gene Christian E. Callsen, Jr. wrote: > I think the lack of response is probably related more to the early phases of > many systems education on this issue. I know that the Austin/ County > EMS System will be receiving our initial DoD train the trainer education in > December of this year. This training, combined with response protocols > being developed at the federal level (especially by ACEP/IAFC)will > eventually provide the first response community with much better information > and capability. > > I think we also are facing a larger problem...while atropine and 2-PAM are > valuable in specific types of events, most systems lack the detection > equipment to determine the agent employed (assuming a chem incident, is it a > nerve agent, blistering, choking, or blood?). Establishing a cache of > appropriate pharm. agents for a variety of incidents is a daunting task on a > community by community basis...I think that is why you will see regional > caches developed in the next couple of years. The formulation of a response > capability to a NBC incident is a complex, expensive, and challenging > process which has only been initiated in Texas in the Metroplex, Houston > area, and San (El Paso is coming up soon, as is the Austin/ > County area). > > I hope this helps... > > > [] Chemical Terrorism > > > > > > Several days ago, after having read some posts on other lists, I asked > > about preparedness for chemical terrorism. I asked about the > > availability of atropine and 2-PAM chloride kits for EMS providers. > > There have been no replies. Does this mean that nobody has addressed > > this problem or is interested in it? Other areas of the country > > describe the stockpiling of >2000 units of these kits. Are there no > > Texas people doing this? > > > > I ask you once again, what are you doing to address this problem? > > > > Gene Gandy > > E. Gandy, JD, EMT-P > > EMS Professions Program Director > > Tyler Junior College > > Tyler, TX > > ggan@... > > > > Check out our website at: http://www.tyler.cc.tx.us/emmt/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No tricks, no gimmicks - just a great intro rate for Internet users! > > NextCard Internet VISA -- Apply online now! > > http://ads./click/63/1/nextcard > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 1998 Report Share Posted October 26, 1998 FYI... The Emergency Nurses Association and Texas College of Emergency Physicians are holding a conference " Medical Consequences of Terrorism " on Saturday, November 7, 1998 in Houston, Texas. 9.3 Contact Hours for EMS, Nurses and TCLEOSE will be awarded. Cost is $100.00. The Speaker is Dr. Henry Siegelson, from Atlanta, Georgia. He was an emergency medicine consultant for the 1996 Olympic Games and provided training to the healthcare workers and planners. If you are interested in attending contact Gaylen Tips, RN at Brackenridge Hospital, gtips@... or me, Rob Angle, RN EMT-P, at the Houston Fire Department, wangle@... I will happy to fax you the information. Rob Angle, RN EMT-P EMS Nurse, HFD [] Chemical Terrorism > > > > > > Several days ago, after having read some posts on other lists, I asked > > about preparedness for chemical terrorism. I asked about the > > availability of atropine and 2-PAM chloride kits for EMS providers. > > There have been no replies. Does this mean that nobody has addressed > > this problem or is interested in it? Other areas of the country > > describe the stockpiling of >2000 units of these kits. Are there no > > Texas people doing this? > > > > I ask you once again, what are you doing to address this problem? > > > > Gene Gandy > > E. Gandy, JD, EMT-P > > EMS Professions Program Director > > Tyler Junior College > > Tyler, TX > > ggan@... > > > > Check out our website at: http://www.tyler.cc.tx.us/emmt/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No tricks, no gimmicks - just a great intro rate for Internet users! > > NextCard Internet VISA -- Apply online now! > > http://ads./click/63/1/nextcard > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 1998 Report Share Posted October 26, 1998 Hey Rob, I would be interested to know how many people attend this conference because I am looking at developing a similar training for outsiders. Dallas Fire is a MMST Strike Team funded by the federal government and we performed all of the training for them. Several people are interested in this training and I am looking at opening such training. Obviously, it all depends on how many people are interested in attending (at least to the school's budget). Thanks in advance for your input. Jon Puryear NREMT-P/Instructor UT Southwestern Medical Center >>> " R. " Rob " Angle " 10/26/98 7:44:22 AM >>> FYI... The Emergency Nurses Association and Texas College of Emergency Physicians are holding a conference " Medical Consequences of Terrorism " on Saturday, November 7, 1998 in Houston, Texas. 9.3 Contact Hours for EMS, Nurses and TCLEOSE will be awarded. Cost is $100.00. The Speaker is Dr. Henry Siegelson, from Atlanta, Georgia. He was an emergency medicine consultant for the 1996 Olympic Games and provided training to the healthcare workers and planners. If you are interested in attending contact Gaylen Tips, RN at Brackenridge Hospital, gtips@... or me, Rob Angle, RN EMT-P, at the Houston Fire Department, wangle@... I will happy to fax you the information. Rob Angle, RN EMT-P EMS Nurse, HFD [] Chemical Terrorism > > > > > > Several days ago, after having read some posts on other lists, I asked > > about preparedness for chemical terrorism. I asked about the > > availability of atropine and 2-PAM chloride kits for EMS providers. > > There have been no replies. Does this mean that nobody has addressed > > this problem or is interested in it? Other areas of the country > > describe the stockpiling of >2000 units of these kits. Are there no > > Texas people doing this? > > > > I ask you once again, what are you doing to address this problem? > > > > Gene Gandy > > E. Gandy, JD, EMT-P > > EMS Professions Program Director > > Tyler Junior College > > Tyler, TX > > ggan@... > > > > Check out our website at: http://www.tyler.cc.tx.us/emmt/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No tricks, no gimmicks - just a great intro rate for Internet users! > > NextCard Internet VISA -- Apply online now! > > http://ads./click/63/1/nextcard > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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