Re: Questions about the mold diet and more...reply

[Guest guest]

*******Most people with chronic illness do better if they remove Gluten from

their diets. I did for 3 years but now I can cheat occasionally and not

have any uncomfortable symptoms......Actually, once you give it up you really

don't what going back....YOU FEEL MUCH BETTER.....we have a new GLUTEN FREE

pizza restaurant in sdale and I can't wait to go....even healthy people

give up gluten and notice a change in how they feel....Just give it the 60 day

test and judge for yourself.....

Angel Huggzz

or Angel

[Guest guest]

Can you tell me what you eat? Examples for breakfast, lunch and dinner

would be helpful.

Thanks,

Sue :

*******Most people with chronic illness do better if they remove Gluten from

their diets. I did for 3 years but now I can cheat occasionally and not

have any uncomfortable symptoms....have any uncomfortable

symptoms....<WBR>..Actua

don't what going back....YOU FEEL MUCH BETTER.....we have a new GLUTEN FREE

pizza restaurant in sdale and I can't wait to go....even healthy people

give up gluten and notice a change in how they feel....Just give it the 60

day

test and judge for yourself....t

Angel Huggzz

or Angel

[Guest guest]

Hello ssr3351@...,

In reference to your comment:

Can you tell me what you eat? Examples for breakfast, lunch and dinner

would be helpful.

Thanks,

Sue :

*******I don't get up early so I don't eat until 11:00 or so....I fix a

grass fed buffalo burger with all the trim on Ezekiel Bread toasted. I juice

celery, parsley and clove of garlic and 2 tablespoons of raw organic cream.

For snacks I have hummus with gluten free crackers.....I sometimes have

gluten free pasta salad with all organic ingredients.....organic apples with raw

organic honey UNHEATED....Fresh fruit SMOOTHIES made with my homemade yogurt

with whey, VitC. I take a tablespoon of Cod Liver oil with a tablespoon of

Butter Oil....a cup full of vitamins to finish off the Smoothie.....late

afternoon I have a fresh organic fruits, or a salad with lots of nuts, olives

and

other goodies. I also eat a lot of buffalo chili, buffalo lasagna. I juice

a head of NAPA cabbage with a clove of garlic daily. Three times a week I

juice the CBC cocktail (carrots, beets, cucumber with a whole clove of garlic.

(Your liver will love you.)....I use raw organic butter or organic

cold-pressed olive oil.....I switch off with coconut oil, etc., etc., etc. NO

SOY what

so ever.

*************I also eat grass fed beef once a week, and free range organic

chickens.....I eat lots of raw organic eggs....I don't do much fish and

especially farm raised fish.....My favorite is a raw organic egg with a heaping

tablespoon of raw organic UNHEATED honey with some pure vanilla....whip it it a

pint of homemade kiefer and it taste like egg-nog...yummmmmm I snack on as

assortment of nuts but I make sure I get LOTS of FAT. Fat gives up powerful

energy, lubricates our system and makes solvents to clean the body. IMHO,

fats are the most important element in a toxic world. Plus, in a think person,

there are no fats to arrest the poisons, so they go into the cells and

poison that person. If you read any of the research out there you will find

the

largest concentrations of toxins in the fat. The fat itself does not get

harmed by the toxins as it buffers them and absorbs them. If you don't have

enough fat in your body it the toxins go to the nervous system and brain. If

you do some research you will find that the brain is 60-80 percent fat. We

also have the largest brain of all the species, but we are the dumbest. Our

brains misfire more than the other animals because of the industrial toxins.

Stay away from vegetable oils. They are impossible for our bodies to process

them. Vegetable oil in our bodies crystallizes and hardens if it remains in

there more than 3 years. Hardening of the arteries have been blamed on animal

fats, but vegetable oils were the true culprit. Our bodies can not dissolve

it or break it down, so the body builds thicker walls of it which is plaque.

*******I threw out my microwave years ago....trust me, it isn't hard to make

these dietary changes. Do it one step at a time.....I don't do ANY fast

foods, in fact if I smell the garbage fast foods like Mcs I gag and have

to hold my breath....I have a lot of healthy recipes at my Blog Healthy

Recipes...I keep adding more and more....

********Something most cancer patients are not taught is eat, eat,

eat.....when a cancer body is hungry that kicks in the cancer cells to

grow....just

make sure you are eating the right things. Enough for now, I'm buried trying

to get things in order for this pending surgery, which today I decided I might

NOT have done. If I won't let me cut on my breast or lungs, then why would

I let them cut on my parotid gland. There are other options that I am

exploring.

Angel Huggzz

or Angel

www.lymecommunity.com

[Guest guest]

Hello smarshwar@...,

In reference to your comment:

book I read called " Dangerous Grains. "

**********Good book and great explanation .....

[Guest guest]

, What do they think it is about gluten that is so bad for

people? Do you know the 'science' or theory behind it? Thanks, Barb

>

> *******Most people with chronic illness do better if they remove

Gluten from

> their diets. I did for 3 years but now I can cheat occasionally

and not

> have any uncomfortable symptoms......Actually, once you give it up

you really

> don't what going back....YOU FEEL MUCH BETTER.....we have a new

GLUTEN FREE

> pizza restaurant in sdale and I can't wait to go....even

healthy people

> give up gluten and notice a change in how they feel....Just give

it the 60 day

> test and judge for yourself.....

>

> Angel Huggzz

> or Angel

[Guest guest]

Sue, here is a link to info at Wild Oats website. They carry alot of

gluten free foods. At the Wild Oats in my area they are giving

a 'gluten free tour' of store advertised. Not sure what that is all

about but apparently must be due to alot of interest in gluten free

foods. Here is link to some info on their website:

<http://www.wildoats.com/u/health100071/>

>

Hello ssr3351@...,

> In reference to your comment:

> > Can you tell me what you eat? Examples for breakfast, lunch and

dinner

> would be helpful.

> Thanks,

> Sue :

[Guest guest]

There is a protein in gluten that the body has trouble digesting if it has

low MSH or a genetically triggered illness (celiac disease, which can be

triggered also by mold exposure)

[Guest guest]

I'm not , but I have been on a gluten free diet for over seven

years. When I started the diet doctors were ambivalent about whether

it would help with my symptoms or was necessary. From my own research

I thought it would help me (it did). Now, my doctors are quite

supportive (things do change).

There are several " bad " things about gluten. One is that it causes an

autoimmune response where the body essentially attacks the intestines

doing damage and interfering with nutrient absorption. It can also

damage other organs in the body. Symptoms can be digestive, fatigue,

muscle aches, and others.

There is an interesting book I read called " Dangerous Grains. " It

explains quite thoroughly what gluten and casein (milk protein) do to

the body. One thing, among many, that caught my attention was that

the undigested proteins have a negative effect on the brain, acting

like opiates I believe. After reading this book I made the decision

to get serious about the diet.

-

>

> , What do they think it is about gluten that is so bad for

> people? Do you know the 'science' or theory behind it? Thanks,

Barb

[Guest guest]

Since I just recently saw the doctor, I am still trying to figure

out what I can eat (also the doctor I saw didn't say anything about

gluten, but he didn't want me to have brown rice), especially since

I don't have time to really fix food (thank goodness I work at a

nice restaurant most nights that fixes really good fresh food that's

mainly organic), but here's an example of what I ate today:

Breakfast:

Organic Oatmeal with plain yogurt and a little honey

Lunch:

orgainic fresh greens with beets, tomatoes, and mozarella cheese

organic basmati rice, peas,carrots, pieces of chicken, and spices

Snack:

8 oz. organic milk with a stick of organic mozarella cheese

1 small organic apple

Dinner:

filet of fresh petrale sole with lemon, olive oil, sauteed spinich,

and mashed potatoes

>

>

> Can you tell me what you eat? Examples for breakfast, lunch and

dinner

> would be helpful.

> Thanks,

> Sue :

>

> *******Most people with chronic illness do better if they remove

Gluten from

> their diets. I did for 3 years but now I can cheat occasionally

and not

> have any uncomfortable symptoms....have any uncomfortable

> symptoms....<WBR>..Actua

> don't what going back....YOU FEEL MUCH BETTER.....we have a new

GLUTEN FREE

> pizza restaurant in sdale and I can't wait to go....even

healthy people

> give up gluten and notice a change in how they feel....Just give

it the 60

> day

> test and judge for yourself....t

>

> Angel Huggzz

> or Angel

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Angel, Your diet is amazing!!!! How and where do you find all those things

to eat?

You don't have to answer I'll try to research on my own. Take care of

yourself and know that you are in my thoughts and prayers!!!

Sue

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for the info. I just looked for one in land but looks

like the closest is in NJ! Looks like a really great place so may be one will

come to my area soon!!

Sue

Sue, here is a link to info at Wild Oats website. They carry alot of

gluten free foods. At the Wild Oats in my area they are giving

a 'gluten free tour' of store advertised. Not sure what that is all

about but apparently must be due to alot of interest in gluten free

foods. Here is link to some info on their website:

<_http://www.wildoatshttp://www.wildohttp_

(http://www.wildoats.com/u/health100071/) >

[Guest guest]

I didn't have low MSH on my last March test which was my only MSH

test. Does anyone think I would have a gluten problem and my MSH is

normal. I've never read much about gluten problems and what the

symptoms are. I eat pasta and I'm sure a lot of things with gluten.

Rhonda

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> There is a protein in gluten that the body has trouble digesting if

it has

> low MSH or a genetically triggered illness (celiac disease, which

can be

> triggered also by mold exposure)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think you need to have low MSH to benefit from a gluten free

diet (or to have the elevated antibodies). I personally believe that

the gluten intolerance can develop way before you get the low MSH.

Although, the experience in my family was that we all had the low MSH

(even my kids) and the gluten intolerance. However, I imagine this

is very dependent upon your genotype, since we're all double gened

for celiac/gluten intolerance. Dr. Fine does have some research that

shows certain combinations of DQ genes (I'm realling DQ1s, which

include DQ5 and DQ6) typically have stronger reactions (higher

antibodies) to the gluten and quite interestingly, it is the DQ5

(along with a DRB1 of 1) that Shoemaker's research shows correlates

with low MSH. My understanding of MSH is that it's fairly slow to

change (i.e., it takes a long time for it to get low and then a long

time to increase even when you're no longer exposed).

B.

> >

> > There is a protein in gluten that the body has trouble digesting

if

> it has

> > low MSH or a genetically triggered illness (celiac disease, which

> can be

> > triggered also by mold exposure)

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

My MSH last March was 41.

> > >

> > > There is a protein in gluten that the body has trouble

digesting

> if

> > it has

> > > low MSH or a genetically triggered illness (celiac disease,

which

> > can be

> > > triggered also by mold exposure)

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I wish there was a restaurant around here that served healthy meals,

especially organic. Is restaurant a chain restaurant?

Do you know why not the brown rice but basmati rice is okay?

--- In , " le " <danielletoile@...>

wrote:

>

to have brown rice), especially since

> I don't have time to really fix food (thank goodness I work at a

> nice restaurant most nights that fixes really good fresh food that's

> mainly organic), but here's an example of what I ate today:

>

>Lunch:

> orgainic fresh greens with beets, tomatoes, and mozarella cheese

> organic basmati rice, peas,carrots, pieces of chicken, and spices

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mine was 8 in March 2005. I'm not sure I will retake the test

since it means another trip to MD. I have not read up on his research

so don't understand my results that well.

>

> My MSH last March was 41.

[Guest guest]

I accidentally hit send on prior message. ...Anyway, my

understanding from Dr Marinkovich, if I understood him correctly,

was that damaged gut, which I do have, doesn't digest food well.

With veggies and fruits, doesn't have big effect except that you do

not get the nutrients from them but with anything protein, the

undigested protein particles get into your blood stream through the

damaged intestine lining that becomes thin, weak and poroused. The

body attacks these protein particles thinking they are microbes of

some sort/invaders/can't tell protein food particles from other

biological invaders. However this can be any protein, chicken,

beef, egg, whatever gets through, not just gluten. However I know

that gluten is troublesome for many people. I had very high

antibodies to egg but egg was the thing I was eating the most at the

time of test. If I had been eating lots of chicken or perhaps

gluten, I may have had high antibodies to those. However, if person

is allergic to gluten, then gluten may *cause* the inflamation and

resulting indigestion. I'm not allergic to gluten according to

tests but have a damage gut probably from toxins according to

pathologist I talked to. He said mycotoxins are particularly hard

on the digestive tract. He has done autopsies where *victims*

intestines had no lining at all left so toward end of their disease

could not digest any food. This was case of intestinal damage by

mold but not gluten. I think if mold has done damage to gut, then

perhaps you become sensitive or irritated by all foods but worse by

proteins since they produce inflamation due to problem identified

above. That seems likely to me. HOWEVER, I have not read Dr

Shoemaker's books on MSH. Anyway, at least mycotoxins cause damage

also. I may not have had high antibodies to gluten since I wasn't

eating gluten at the time of test due to a diet avoiding carbs and

grains in general. If I had been eating gluten, perhaps I would

have shown high antibodies to it.

--- In , " smarshwar " <smarshwar@...>

wrote:

>

>> explains quite thoroughly what gluten and casein (milk protein)

do to

> the body. One thing, among many, that caught my attention was that

> the undigested proteins have a negative effect on the brain,

acting

> like opiates I believe. After reading this book I made the

decision

> to get serious about the diet.

>

> -

>

[Guest guest]

Rhonda, I'm jealous. Mine went up from undetectable to 12.

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>

> My MSH last March was 41.

[Guest guest]

does that mean 41 is good? Undetectable to 12 seems lower than 41.

> >

> > My MSH last March was 41.

>

[Guest guest]

My Lab Corp results says Limits 35-81 so I think 8 must be low and

maybe 35-81 normal range??? Not sure if low dose naltrexone can affect

a lot of the test that is done that my ENT did that Dr. Shoe does but

might. Didn't help the MMP9 but then again, may have and could be

twice of what mine was at 1112 which is High where LDN helps to

regulate endorphins which help with inflammation.... Rhonda

> >

> > My MSH last March was 41.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I believe that 41 is in the normal range. My first test was

below 8 which is reported as " undetectable. " My second one was 12

which is still quite low, but better.

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> > >

> > > My MSH last March was 41.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My last MSH was 14! I have an appt. on Monday so I'lltry to find out what's

up. I know low MSH isn't good and you get more inflammation which I have

had recently since my Procrit was denied by the insurance company. It was

finally approved after 3 months. Already after 4 shots my aches and pains have

subsided greatly so that's a good improvement. I reread Mold Warriors all the

time, especially the Biotoxin Pathway but it is still over my head. I try,

but I don't comprehend much. I read it, make myself think about it, but it

still just doesn't stick!!

Sue

Mine was 8 in March 2005. I'm not sure I will retake the test

since it means another trip to MD. I have not read up on his research

so don't understand my results that well.

[Guest guest]

I think 41 is pretty good. On the worksheet from Dr. S the normal range

says 35-81. Mine was only 14 but I don't remember what it was before.

Sue

does that mean 41 is good? Undetectable to 12 seems lower than 41.

[Guest guest]

The gluten free diet sounds good to me but I just don't know where to start.

If I could go to the grocery store to buy everything I need it would be

easy. I'll have to continue to research.

Thanks, Sue

I'm not , but I have been on a gluten free diet for over seven

years. When I started the diet doctors were ambivalent about whether

it would help with my symptoms or was necessary. From my own research

I thought it would help me (it did). Now, my doctors are quite

supportive (things do change).

[Guest guest]

I honestly don't know and don't have my old reports to look at. I took them

to my local Dr. to keep with my records in his office. Figured they would be

safer there since I tend to misplace things and can't remember where I put

them. I'll find out on Monday. All I know is that I'm feeling much better now

that I'm back on the Procrit! Aches, pains and stiffness are pretty much gone

after 4 shots. So something must be working!

Sue

Sue, I can relate. At least you are trying. Is 14 up or down for you

Sue?